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Link Posted: 4/22/2014 8:05:15 PM EDT
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How well does that shoulder with the fake stock?
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Very nicely, but I have other plans for the not-a-stock.

 
Link Posted: 4/22/2014 8:10:46 PM EDT
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Cool, I wouldn't mind having one with the brace on.

But how is that not an SBR? Wouldn't the stock trump the brace, making it an SBR?
Link Posted: 4/22/2014 8:11:38 PM EDT
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Pretty sure with the underfolder that is an SBR.  I'm trying to figure out what the Sig Brace is mounted on however.
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That's what happens when you put an underfolder on a slant cut receiver, the stock moves forward and blocks the safety when it should let the safety pass through the clearance arch.

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It's not really slant cut. Here is the pistol with the brace briefly un-installed.    <a href="http://s247.photobucket.com/user/dab969/media/image_zpsaf236928.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg141/dab969/image_zpsaf236928.jpg</a>


So is it a pistol or sbr?

Pretty sure with the underfolder that is an SBR.  I'm trying to figure out what the Sig Brace is mounted on however.


Not if the underfolder is welded in the closed position, PPS-43c style....
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That's what happens when you put an underfolder on a slant cut receiver, the stock moves forward and blocks the safety when it should let the safety pass through the clearance arch.



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It's not really slant cut. Here is the pistol with the brace briefly un-installed.    <a href="http://s247.photobucket.com/user/dab969/media/image_zpsaf236928.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg141/dab969/image_zpsaf236928.jpg</a>





So is it a pistol or sbr?


Pretty sure with the underfolder that is an SBR.  I'm trying to figure out what the Sig Brace is mounted on however.





Not if the underfolder is welded in the closed position, PPS-43c style....
It's not welded. And here is how the not-a-stock attaches to the grip. I took this pic before I added the functioning underfolder.

 
Link Posted: 4/22/2014 8:16:35 PM EDT
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Lol. K
Link Posted: 4/22/2014 8:17:43 PM EDT
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But here is the problem, if the stock is closed, then the safety automatically engages.    <a href="http://s247.photobucket.com/user/dab969/media/image_zps3b0b23f6.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg141/dab969/image_zps3b0b23f6.jpg</a>
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The SIG stock looks like it would prevent the extension of the under folder, therefore making the underfolder a non-stock and therefore not an SBR.


Legal Jiu-Jitsu at it's finest!
But here is the problem, if the stock is closed, then the safety automatically engages.    <a href="http://s247.photobucket.com/user/dab969/media/image_zps3b0b23f6.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg141/dab969/image_zps3b0b23f6.jpg</a>

You say that like it's the only problem.
Link Posted: 4/22/2014 8:18:11 PM EDT
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You say that like it's the only problem.
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The SIG stock looks like it would prevent the extension of the under folder, therefore making the underfolder a non-stock and therefore not an SBR.





Legal Jiu-Jitsu at it's finest!
But here is the problem, if the stock is closed, then the safety automatically engages.    <a href="http://s247.photobucket.com/user/dab969/media/image_zps3b0b23f6.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg141/dab969/image_zps3b0b23f6.jpg</a>



You say that like it's the only problem.
What else is wrong?

 
Link Posted: 4/22/2014 8:18:53 PM EDT
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Not sure if you should prepare your anus or hide your dag?

Get do both
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Got it, you just laid the folding stock on the receiver.  Its not apart of the gun.
Link Posted: 4/22/2014 8:22:41 PM EDT
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I think you fellas may have misunderstood what I have going on here. I'll spell it out for you:









1) ordered an M92 pistol with the not-a-stock



2) ordered a underfolder stock



3) made sure I wasn't breaking the law



4) had the stock installed



5) fixed the safety to work properly



6) posted pics



7) was questioned about a tax stamp



8) told yall I don't have a physical stamp



9) just remembered that most of you probably don't know the ATF won't issue a physical stamp if you used eforms



10) consider this me telling you I used eforms





















Yes, it is installed. Yes it is nice. Yes, its a legal SBR.  Yes, I got my Krink today and I'm happy!


 
Link Posted: 4/22/2014 8:24:18 PM EDT
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What else is wrong?  
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Just your poor attempt at baiting people and trolling.  
Link Posted: 4/22/2014 8:26:08 PM EDT
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Now the not-a-stock can get moved to more important things...


 
Link Posted: 4/22/2014 8:26:36 PM EDT
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The SIG stock looks like it would prevent the extension of the under folder, therefore making the underfolder a non-stock and therefore not an SBR.


Legal Jiu-Jitsu at it's finest!
But here is the problem, if the stock is closed, then the safety automatically engages.    <a href="http://s247.photobucket.com/user/dab969/media/image_zps3b0b23f6.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg141/dab969/image_zps3b0b23f6.jpg</a>

You say that like it's the only problem.
What else is wrong?  


Well, we could just start with the whole idea of underfolding stocks, which have the worst cheek welds this side of a Frankenstein creation, but the good news is that because it's a pistol, you don't have to worry about that.
And there's your safety problem, which isn't actually a problem with the safety. The safety works fine, it's just the whole "fire" think that was problematic.  Even with the fix, it still looks awkward.
Last, there's the goofy Sig brace.  Yes, it checks the box, but it's still just plain goofy.
Link Posted: 4/22/2014 8:40:41 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 4/22/2014 8:44:16 PM EDT
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My LGS has one of these under the counter (complete with infinity round drum mag clip).  It was interesting to watch the employees argue amongst each other (in front of customers) if it was SBR or not.

Link Posted: 4/22/2014 9:03:30 PM EDT
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you guys are misunderstanding the purpose.

leave Sig-not-a-stock on 99.99% of the time = legal

.01% of the time? hehehe

you essentially get an SBR without having to worry about being prosecuted.
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This should be a fireable offense.


You really need to learn to control the trollability you have.
Link Posted: 4/23/2014 4:34:07 AM EDT
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I think you fellas may have misunderstood what I have going on here. I'll spell it out for you:

1) ordered an M92 pistol with the not-a-stock
2) ordered a underfolder stock
3) made sure I wasn't breaking the law
4) had the stock installed
5) fixed the safety to work properly
6) posted pics
7) was questioned about a tax stamp
8) told yall I don't have a physical stamp
9) just remembered that most of you probably don't know the ATF won't issue a physical stamp if you used eforms
10) consider this me telling you I used eforms




Yes, it is installed. Yes it is nice. Yes, its a legal SBR.  Yes, I got my Krink today and I'm happy!
 
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Something else new that I learned from this thread.

That kindof sucks. I like the stamps. They're purty and say 200 dollars on them. Where else can you get a $200 stamp?
Link Posted: 4/23/2014 4:39:37 AM EDT
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I thought OP had to pepper his angus
Link Posted: 4/23/2014 4:46:08 AM EDT
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golf clap, for the troll post.








Link Posted: 4/23/2014 4:49:37 AM EDT
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It's not really slant cut. Here is the pistol with the brace briefly un-installed.    <a href="http://s247.photobucket.com/user/dab969/media/image_zpsaf236928.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg141/dab969/image_zpsaf236928.jpg</a>
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That's what happens when you put an underfolder on a slant cut receiver, the stock moves forward and blocks the safety when it should let the safety pass through the clearance arch.

Kharn

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It's not really slant cut. Here is the pistol with the brace briefly un-installed.    <a href="http://s247.photobucket.com/user/dab969/media/image_zpsaf236928.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg141/dab969/image_zpsaf236928.jpg</a>



I see an underfolder, how is this a pistol. What I'm looking at appears to be an SBR.

Why do you need the sig arm brace?

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Link Posted: 4/23/2014 4:51:31 AM EDT
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Well, that interesting for a minute.
Link Posted: 4/23/2014 4:55:25 AM EDT
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I think you fellas may have misunderstood what I have going on here. I'll spell it out for you:

1) ordered an M92 pistol with the not-a-stock
2) ordered a underfolder stock
3) made sure I wasn't breaking the law
4) had the stock installed
5) fixed the safety to work properly
6) posted pics
7) was questioned about a tax stamp
8) told yall I don't have a physical stamp
9) just remembered that most of you probably don't know the ATF won't issue a physical stamp if you used eforms
10) consider this me telling you I used eforms




Yes, it is installed. Yes it is nice. Yes, its a legal SBR.  Yes, I got my Krink today and I'm happy!
 
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What is this nonsense?  You mean I still get infringement, but I don't get an actual stamp?  For $200, I expect some poor BATF employee to be licking these things and pressing them onto my Form 1 with a contemptible scowl.

This is 1934 legal bullshit, with processing that moves at the speed of 1934 molasses, and I thereby demand a 1934 stamp!
Link Posted: 4/23/2014 4:56:42 AM EDT
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Edit: so you've a troll.  got it.
Link Posted: 4/23/2014 4:57:55 AM EDT
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Now the not-a-stock can get moved to more important things...<a href="http://s247.photobucket.com/user/dab969/media/imagejpg1_zps593bae20.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg141/dab969/imagejpg1_zps593bae20.jpg</a>
 
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And that makes my skull hurt just from looking at it.
Link Posted: 4/23/2014 5:00:27 AM EDT
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What is this nonsense?  You mean I still get infringement, but I don't get an actual stamp?  For $200, I expect some poor BATF employee to be licking these things and pressing them onto my Form 1 with a contemptible scowl.





This is 1934 legal bullshit, with processing that moves at the speed of 1934 molasses, and I thereby demand a 1934 stamp!
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I think you fellas may have misunderstood what I have going on here. I'll spell it out for you:





1) ordered an M92 pistol with the not-a-stock


2) ordered a underfolder stock


3) made sure I wasn't breaking the law


4) had the stock installed


5) fixed the safety to work properly


6) posted pics


7) was questioned about a tax stamp


8) told yall I don't have a physical stamp


9) just remembered that most of you probably don't know the ATF won't issue a physical stamp if you used eforms


10) consider this me telling you I used eforms






Yes, it is installed. Yes it is nice. Yes, its a legal SBR.  Yes, I got my Krink today and I'm happy!


 






What is this nonsense?  You mean I still get infringement, but I don't get an actual stamp?  For $200, I expect some poor BATF employee to be licking these things and pressing them onto my Form 1 with a contemptible scowl.





This is 1934 legal bullshit, with processing that moves at the speed of 1934 molasses, and I thereby demand a 1934 stamp!
Now all they do is send you your approved form with a picture of the stamp on it.  Everything is sent through email with eforms.  For those that still don't get it and are asking if this is an SBR or not, yes, it is a short barrelled rifle.  Yes, I attached the not-a-stock to it.  No, this was not a troll post, it was more of how stupid is it that one requires registration and the other doesn't post.





 
Link Posted: 4/23/2014 5:02:36 AM EDT
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Now the not-a-stock can get moved to more important things...<a href="http://s247.photobucket.com/user/dab969/media/imagejpg1_zps593bae20.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg141/dab969/imagejpg1_zps593bae20.jpg</a>

 




And that makes my skull hurt just from looking at it.
It's actually not so bad.  Believe it or not, the M92 had more recoil than the MicroDraco when fired with the not-a-stock attached.  I think the booster on the M92 enhances the felt recoil or something.  Now that the M92 is a krink short barreled rifle, it should be more pleasurable to shoot.



 
Link Posted: 4/23/2014 5:19:02 AM EDT
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Thread reminds me that I need to get to the range and try out the Sig non-stock I just put on my AR pistol last week.  It looks  very fun !!
Link Posted: 4/23/2014 5:30:36 AM EDT
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There were some RPKs with under folders that made it into the country just after one of the bans, the solution was to stick a wood stock on them in addition to the under folder, ATF allowed them to be sold as unrestricted rifles. I think they were NHM91s or something like that.

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Was it originally, or at any time since, transferred as a rifle? If so, hide your dag.
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everything is fair game, right?<a href="http://s247.photobucket.com/user/dab969/media/image_zpsb174c259.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg141/dab969/image_zpsb174c259.jpg</a>


Was it originally, or at any time since, transferred as a rifle? If so, hide your dag.



This could be true...Im still learning though.
Link Posted: 4/23/2014 9:02:55 AM EDT
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Is eforms any faster than the paper method?
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It was at one time, but I'm not sure now.

 
Link Posted: 4/23/2014 10:15:15 AM EDT
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You cannot deny that is fucking tits.

Edit:  just saw the folder. Prepare your anus.
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You cannot deny that is fucking tits.

Edit:  just saw the folder. Prepare your anus.



Look man, I've seen tit fucking, and it looks *nothing* like this.
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I hope for your sake that you've got that thing SBR'd...

If it's yours.

Otherwise you might want to prepare your body.

For anal rapage.
Link Posted: 4/23/2014 10:52:24 AM EDT
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leave Sig-not-a-stock on 99.99% of the time = legal

.01% of the time? hehehe

you essentially get an SBR without having to worry about being prosecuted.
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You *DO* understand what "Constructive Possession" is, right?
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you guys are misunderstanding the purpose.



leave Sig-not-a-stock on 99.99% of the time = legal



.01% of the time? hehehe



you essentially get an SBR without having to worry about being prosecuted.




You *DO* understand what "Constructive Possession" is, right?
You know how I know you don't read before posting?

 
Link Posted: 4/23/2014 11:30:56 AM EDT
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I think you fellas may have misunderstood what I have going on here. I'll spell it out for you:

1) ordered an M92 pistol with the not-a-stock
2) ordered a underfolder stock
3) made sure I wasn't breaking the law
4) had the stock installed
5) fixed the safety to work properly
6) posted pics
7) was questioned about a tax stamp
8) told yall I don't have a physical stamp
9) just remembered that most of you probably don't know the ATF won't issue a physical stamp if you used eforms
10) consider this me telling you I used eforms




Yes, it is installed. Yes it is nice. Yes, its a legal SBR.  Yes, I got my Krink today and I'm happy!
 
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Looks good. Thanks for trolling GD.
Link Posted: 4/23/2014 11:37:36 AM EDT
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Troll thread is dildo thread.

And I'm happy to see via another member quoting him, that putting LibertarianYankee on Ignore was still a damn fine decision.
Link Posted: 4/23/2014 11:41:23 AM EDT
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you guys are misunderstanding the purpose.

leave Sig-not-a-stock on 99.99% of the time = legal

.01% of the time? hehehe

you essentially get an SBR without having to worry about being prosecuted.


You *DO* understand what "Constructive Possession" is, right?


Receiver is not even drilled for the stock. Chill.
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you guys are misunderstanding the purpose.



leave Sig-not-a-stock on 99.99% of the time = legal



.01% of the time? hehehe



you essentially get an SBR without having to worry about being prosecuted.




You *DO* understand what "Constructive Possession" is, right?




Receiver is not even drilled for the stock. Chill.
My receiver is drilled and fitted with the stock. This is an available option for me since I received my electronic approval of my Form 1.

 
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It's actually not so bad.  Believe it or not, the M92 had more recoil than the MicroDraco when fired with the not-a-stock attached.  I think the booster on the M92 enhances the felt recoil or something.  Now that the M92 is a krink short barreled rifle, it should be more pleasurable to shoot.
 
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And that makes my skull hurt just from looking at it.
It's actually not so bad.  Believe it or not, the M92 had more recoil than the MicroDraco when fired with the not-a-stock attached.  I think the booster on the M92 enhances the felt recoil or something.  Now that the M92 is a krink short barreled rifle, it should be more pleasurable to shoot.
 


Have you ever chrono'd rounds out of that pistol?  I'm betting factory loads are subsonic ... and don't suppress well, either.  Still makes my head hurt just looking at it.
Link Posted: 4/23/2014 1:10:53 PM EDT
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My Krink had to be assembled as a pistol. No SBR's here. I had NDS, mark it Pistol on the bottom. Brand new unfired kit, with the receiver numbered the same.
You don't need that booster. That's just for FA fire from what I understand. Try one of the 3 piece flash hiders.
Link Posted: 4/23/2014 1:24:55 PM EDT
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Nice trolling.

I love my ARM BRACE.



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you guys are misunderstanding the purpose.

leave Sig-not-a-stock on 99.99% of the time = legal

.01% of the time? hehehe

you essentially get an SBR without having to worry about being prosecuted.


You *DO* understand what "Constructive Possession" is, right?


Receiver is not even drilled for the stock. Chill.
My receiver is drilled and fitted with the stock. This is an available option for me since I received my electronic approval of my Form 1.  


Well, that's definitely a game changa
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The SIG stock looks like it would prevent the extension of the under folder, therefore making the underfolder a non-stock and therefore not an SBR.


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Are you a wizard?
Link Posted: 4/23/2014 5:02:47 PM EDT
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On an SBR AK this stock should be and probably is perfectly legal. However according to the letter of the law I don't know for sure how you could mount it to an ordinary AK pistol without doing some modifications which would then make it not legal.  This is not referring to anything the OP has going on.  I am jealous of the OP's Krink
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