You know, I don't tell armed men "Fuck you!", especially when they are already arresting someone in front of a borderline unruly crowd, primarily because I want to avoid such reactions.

He probably could have handled it a little better, but WTF did dude thing was going to happen?

Stupid prizes and all that jazz.

Quite possibly. I am not saying it's right or wrong, but that is how an officer's Use of Force (Whether by mere officer presence, or by any other means intentionally applied) is viewed under the 4th. In this case, the seizure occurred when the officer lay hands on him the second time.

LOL

Eventually people will get tired of cops behaving like this and we'll see a video of a crowd of people going full south american and beating the cops down. Its a shame it didn't happen here. No wonder so many LEO are against people carrying guns. That cop needs to go to jail for assault and the other cops with him need to lose their jobs for doing nothing to stop him.

As a non drinker myself, I would just like to thank the fine police work and number of officers required to arrest someone outside a bar with an open container. Way to protect and serve, well done!!!!!!!

According to who?  Highly doubtful considering US LEOs are more restricted than in any other nation in the world, and are respected for the most part.  Sane and reasonable people know this, and can put things in perspective.  Your fantasies will have to wait, and if that day comes  - I doubt the mobs will be on your side.

No

This thread here is proof why.

Bad cop, no doughnut!  


That guy needed to get slapped anyway!

       


       


FIFY





 
 
 

Why would you think a cop can't punch someone who is resisting arrest?

When a cop shoves you off the person he is takin into custody. It's a huge fucking clue that your going to jail.

Where do y'all get this stupid shit from?

BS.

Ah yes, but the extraordinary civilians?

Now THOSE I give a shit about.

That's laughable. The only thing people respect( more like fear) is the gun on the cops hip. I'm willing to bet if they didn't have guns, that crowd would have turned on them.

Just re-watched the video.  I think the cop may suffer from LMS, Little Man Syndrome.  Someone taller than him was disrespecting him and he decided to "show them" his authority.  Any attempt you guys make at trumping up charges...obstructing, interfering with an arrest etc, are complete bullshit and legal tap-dancing.  The cop has been told that he must never show that he might not be right; no changing your mind in mid-stream.  That would be grounds for a nice civil lawsuit.  "The cop admitted it himself that he was wrong Your Honor when he stopped giving me the pavement test and told me to go on home with my friends when he realized I didn't break the law and it was on video."

This whole situation could have been handled by officer shorty-mcpunchy pants pulling the guy aside and saying, "Your buddy is under arrest for XXX, we are taking him to XXX precinct, you can follow us there and post bail.  There were other cops in the area, so making it out like it was these two against the mob is utter bullshit.  I saw no one who was aggressive, including the arrestee, who was in handcuffs.  After that, holy fuckin' shit, look at this good press we have, and no lawsuit or viral video causing an IA investigation.

I'll say it again, we don't have much of this bullshit on the military side (I am not saying MPs don't use physical force, I am saying they obey the rules of force much more stringently) because everyone in the chain of command can be held responsible.  Hell I have seen the entire chain of command, including a Brigadier General having to go visit the 4th ID Commanding General just because someone smarted off to the wrong person (Funny story, SPC Dipshit was working out in the gym, got tired of the old guy getting in his way and told him so.  Old guy was the 4th ID commander.  Lots of laughs that day.)  

If one of our local MPs got caught doing something like this on tape, with no visible threat?  (in this case we can indeed arrest you for cursing though)  I could hear the roof of building 4 blow off from the other side of post at the negative publicity.  His chain of command would be in the office explaining what they knew within an hour.  There would be an investigating officer assigned that day or the next morning for the investigation.

So, yes, if you are the Provost Marshal (Head MP) for a Post, and one of your privates on patrol does something wrong, you can get your ass in a sling even though you are many levels above him.  Why?  Because you are charged with the responsibility of training, evaluating and leading those below you.  It's rare to see a civilian officer do something dumb, get in trouble, and then see his boss, or bosses get in trouble as well.  In the Army, it happens.

I know, it's hard to admit you are wrong.  It's ingrained in cops from the get go that they are right and must always appear that way.  Even though we are not legal expert witnesses, we the public know bullshit when we see it.  What we see is a guy getting his butt slammed (albeit not hard), punched in the face (lightly), then handcuffed and dragged off.  All because he said, "Fuck you" to the wee bairn of a cop. I think my suggestion above is a lot more effective in this case.  I have met LEOs that have the "all problems are nail, and I am the hammer" mentality.


HaM

Yeah because that's what caused the contact from the officer.

The guy was clearly interferring with an arrest, he was pushed away and continued to yell profanities.
He was taken down and resisted.

He was resisting, looks to me he grabbed the officers arm.
Good strike.

I watched the video a few times. Looks to me like the cop might have caught a punch as he's pulling the guy off the car at about 25 seconds. I could be wrong though.
 

I didn't hear the cops say you are under arrest. I heard him say thats it and then charge the guy, slam him into the car 15 feet away and then his pathetic attempt at ground & pound before he decided to detain him. It was obvious it was uncalled for  because all the other officers had stunned looks on their faces.

Really. Nice personal insult.

It's none of your damn business. If you want to know that bad bail the drunk out and ask him.
I wont ell you anything about a others persons arrest.

And the person who beats you deserves to be shot/killed. How could you expect to know when they planned on ceasing? Isn't that how it works for badge wearers?

How many soldiers have you cited for not wearing their reflective belt?

Looks like JBT Defender Tuesday is in full swing.

You must hand out with unsavory people, or you just don't get out much.

Ahh wet dreams.





Where do you guys get this stupid shit from?

That cop likes the serve part better than the protect part.

Do cops really believe that their job isn't to deal with messes like this?  "THEY WERE DRUNK" Who gives a fuck, his job is to not be dick bag like the rest of the people there.

I would say the cop and the people are lucky in this case.  Attacking a friend for little more reason than a drunk comment could have cause a larger stir is some crowds.

Not to mention if the cop was right, how come the other cop acknowledged how fucked up it was.

If you bull-rush me backwards 15 feet into a vehicle, then throw me on the ground and proceed to punch me when I'm on my back on the pavement and not expect me to protect myself, but instead claim I am breaking the law while doing so, you can take your law and shove it up your ass.

The only people I know that truly respect cops are rent a cop security guards and people that want to be cops one day. Most people acknowledge that the majority of LEO are made up of bullies and people that want some type of authority figure. The good cops are to few and  out numbered to stand up against the bad ones.

Lol, whatever you say tough cop.

LOL that is patently absurd and there is not one statistic that will back you up.  Now I know you're either just trolling or you're simply a criminal.  Either way, your opinion no longer matters.

Come on now, did you watch the video? That guy was interfering with an arrest, he was told to back off and pushed back, he then came back yelling "FUCK YOU!" and got into a fighting stance.

A bit more than than yelling "fuck you!" from the edges of a crowd.

Irrelevant.  He didn't punch him for resisting arrest, he punched him for the "fuck you".

"You have a rapist wit."

Lloyd

Quite possibly.

 Cohen v. California  Read it.

The asshole was backing all the way to the curb after the fuck you once the officer started after him.

Look, I get it.  The officer was pissed off from the insult from the idiot.  I would be pissed off too.  But officers don't get to vent their frustrations like that.  He needs to find another line of work.

Meh. Drunk guy got the attention he was after. The tall sloppy blonde that stepped into frame half way through would get smashed for sure




Eta: the person holding the camera the wrong way should have caught a beating

Wouldn't you grab somebody's arm if they are rushing at you with the obvious attempt to cause you bodily harm?

Was he supposed to immediately fall to the ground, place his hands behind his back and yell "SORRY" as soon as the officer charged at him?

Stop being so predictable. It's nauseating.

It's always nice to see Bama and others like him in these threads.   They usually seem way outnumbered though.

I swear there is a JBT blue light and siren that wails and flashes when these threads are posted.  There is always such a tidal wave of people tripping around trying to get their jackboots pulled on so they can pile into the MRAP of oppression.

Uh, the Ukraine?

Tell me when he grabbed the officer's arm.  Time stamp?

Yes, once he started after him, but not before. He was told and even showed (pushed) to back off. He didn't.

Cops are actively making an arrest in a crowd of drunks and get in their faces, get to told to get back, and you instead come back with a FUCK YOU and get back into their face expect to get arrested and expect it to be swift and aggressive. That's what I would expect to happen to me, of course I knew this when I was a young college kid. MF the cops from the other side of the street if you want, but I knew not to go getting in their faces when they were arresting someone or else I would get silver bracelets too.

You don't have any right to know why your friend is getting arrested. You don't have any right to be 3 inches away from the cops who are trying to arrest your friend.

Not to mention the recent dust up with the BLM out in Nevada.

I certainly do not want to see the people rising up against law enforcement.  We should have no delusions about a situation like that.  It would be bad all around.  But the recent unpleasantness in Nevada shows that some people will take up arms against what they perceive to be an oppressive government.  Everyone should be clear that it can happen.

Lol.

Typical cop bs.

You're a tough guy til someone does something to you and you have to go all pc to get help on your side. Wah wah insults insults *sniff* *sniff*.

It is the public's business. We pay for cops judges courts and everything related. If you don't like it be a pi.

And if you and your pussy cop friend from the video want to fuck people up then go enlist - seems like you guys are really tough and scary.

Look at that video again.  The asshole is backing up from the moment the officer shoved him, even as he lets the "fuck you" fly.  So in fact the officer had successfully defused the situation with the initial shove.  So why does he start going after the guy after the "fuck you".  Clearly because he was pissed off.  I understand him being pissed off, but that does not give him a right to have a punch up on a guy's face.

Neither one of us can really see what he was doing based on the camera angle. I am going off of experience and the sound of his voice in relation to where the mic was on the iphone. I think he was squaring up and yelling Fuck You!, not backing away. Either way, he got what he asked for. He wanted to fight that cop, the cop granted him his wish. I'm not going to argue with you that the cop probably got a bit hhot under the collar. I don't know what else to say. I knew as a drunk college kid not to engage the police like that or I'd get a beating. It seems like common sense to me. I am sure emotion played a part in all this, but I don't think that kid getting arrested wasn't justified.