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Posted: 4/19/2014 7:44:31 PM EDT
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Their business, their rules. If employees want to be compensated appropriately, they should find work elsewhere. No one is forcing them to work at McDonalds.... they voluntarily stay and put up with it. I have a sneaking suspicion you are an agent provocateur who is neither a libertarian nor a Yankee. |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 7:44:35 PM EDT
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Agreed. I guarantee if the employees in question were union, GD would be all over this shit like the ketchup/mustard combo on Happy Meals. "Fuck the unions!" "Screw those greedy bastards" I never thought I'd live to see the day GD stuck up for FSA McDonald's workers.... Division by zero at it's finest. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Both parties should adhere to their contract. Agreed. I guarantee if the employees in question were union, GD would be all over this shit like the ketchup/mustard combo on Happy Meals. "Fuck the unions!" "Screw those greedy bastards" I never thought I'd live to see the day GD stuck up for FSA McDonald's workers.... Division by zero at it's finest. Are you Dave_A's nephew or something? You sound just fucking like him 
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Posted: 4/19/2014 7:45:27 PM EDT
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So, I get my check from Joe and Bob's Ambulance service and it's well below what it should be.
I go into the office and ask what the fuck. They tell me that they went back and looked at all the time I spent on the clock that I wasn't on a run, doing a squad checkout, station duties etc. and deducted that time off of my week since I wasn't working. Do I have the right to sue them? Should I win my case? |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 7:46:22 PM EDT
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Their business, their rules. If employees want to be compensated appropriately, they should find work elsewhere. No one is forcing them to work at McDonalds.... they voluntarily stay and put up with it. 
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Posted: 4/19/2014 7:47:10 PM EDT
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So employers are not required to follow labor laws? Employers should be free to steal from employees and if the employee finds out their only solution should be to quit? Employment isn't an agreement between to entities to exchange one thing for another? It's an agreement. Agreements usually have terms. Terms like - you work the hours agreed upon between you and your manager. You come in early, stay late, come in on an off day, work OT - without manager's approval, then don't expect to get paid. It's still their rules. If you could get paid just for clocking in, people would work early, late, all the freaking time they'd be on the clock. There are still rules to be followed. Perhaps my first post was a little harsh though. 
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Posted: 4/19/2014 7:47:16 PM EDT
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Man, you're an asshole. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Their business, their rules. If employees want to be compensated appropriately, they should find work elsewhere. No one is forcing them to work at McDonalds.... they voluntarily stay and put up with it. Man, you're an asshole. |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 7:47:31 PM EDT
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Their business, their rules. If employees want to be compensated appropriately, they should find work elsewhere. No one is forcing them to work at McDonalds.... they voluntarily stay and put up with it. Their business doesn't entitle them to violate labor laws or to cheat people out of what they should be earning. |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 7:48:43 PM EDT
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It's an agreement. Agreements usually have terms. Terms like - you work the hours agreed upon between you and your manager. You come in early, stay late, come in on an off day, work OT - without manager's approval, then don't expect to get paid. It's still their rules. If you could get paid just for clocking in, people would work early, late, all the freaking time they'd be on the clock. There are still rules to be followed. Perhaps my first post was a little harsh though. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So employers are not required to follow labor laws? Employers should be free to steal from employees and if the employee finds out their only solution should be to quit? Employment isn't an agreement between to entities to exchange one thing for another? It's an agreement. Agreements usually have terms. Terms like - you work the hours agreed upon between you and your manager. You come in early, stay late, come in on an off day, work OT - without manager's approval, then don't expect to get paid. It's still their rules. If you could get paid just for clocking in, people would work early, late, all the freaking time they'd be on the clock. There are still rules to be followed. Perhaps my first post was a little harsh though. How are they FSA if they work? Isnt it FSA of McDonalds to expect someone to work for free? Your arguments suck. Go away. |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 7:48:54 PM EDT
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It's an agreement. Agreements usually have terms. Terms like - you work the hours agreed upon between you and your manager. You come in early, stay late, come in on an off day, work OT - without manager's approval, then don't expect to get paid. It's still their rules. If you could get paid just for clocking in, people would work early, late, all the freaking time they'd be on the clock. There are still rules to be followed. Perhaps my first post was a little harsh though. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So employers are not required to follow labor laws? Employers should be free to steal from employees and if the employee finds out their only solution should be to quit? Employment isn't an agreement between to entities to exchange one thing for another? It's an agreement. Agreements usually have terms. Terms like - you work the hours agreed upon between you and your manager. You come in early, stay late, come in on an off day, work OT - without manager's approval, then don't expect to get paid. It's still their rules. If you could get paid just for clocking in, people would work early, late, all the freaking time they'd be on the clock. There are still rules to be followed. Perhaps my first post was a little harsh though. Should the labor laws apply? Because I'm pretty sure that part of the agreement of any job when you get hired is that they will comply with labor laws regarding your wages, hours, PTO, sick leave etc. |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 7:50:13 PM EDT
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So, I get my check from Joe and Bob's Ambulance service and it's well below what it should be. I go into the office and ask what the fuck. They tell me that they went back and looked at all the time I spent on the clock that I wasn't on a run, doing a squad checkout, station duties etc. and deducted that time off of my week since I wasn't working. Do I have the right to sue them? Should I win my case? Depends what the terms of your contract with them state. And it would depend on what you were doing in idle time. Were you still alert enough to monitor incoming dispatch requests? Were you studying new material? Were you reading industry blogs? Or were your jerking off to porn, smoking pot, etc. |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 7:51:42 PM EDT
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Depends what the terms of your contract with them state. And it would depend on what you were doing in idle time. Were you still alert enough to monitor incoming dispatch requests? Were you studying new material? Were you reading industry blogs? Or were your jerking off to porn, smoking pot, etc. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So, I get my check from Joe and Bob's Ambulance service and it's well below what it should be. I go into the office and ask what the fuck. They tell me that they went back and looked at all the time I spent on the clock that I wasn't on a run, doing a squad checkout, station duties etc. and deducted that time off of my week since I wasn't working. Do I have the right to sue them? Should I win my case? Depends what the terms of your contract with them state. And it would depend on what you were doing in idle time. Were you still alert enough to monitor incoming dispatch requests? Were you studying new material? Were you reading industry blogs? Or were your jerking off to porn, smoking pot, etc. I was probably watching TV completely unrelated to my job or sleeping in the bunk room. We have dispatchers that call the station to notify us when we have a call. I have no contract with them. |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 7:52:33 PM EDT
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How are they FSA if they work? Isnt it FSA of McDonalds to expect someone to work for free? Your arguments suck. Go away. FSA comes in all shapes and sizes.
Neck tattoos (often sported by burger flippers and order takers) aren't cheap. And FSA on McDonald's part? Yeah.... no. It's not my arguments that suck sir.... Oh, and people work for free all the time. Legal almost everywhere. Called unpaid internships and volunteer work.
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Posted: 4/19/2014 7:53:03 PM EDT
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Their business, their rules. If employees want to be compensated appropriately, they should find work elsewhere. No one is forcing them to work at McDonalds.... they voluntarily stay and put up with it. Full Retard: Achievement unlocked. |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 7:53:29 PM EDT
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Meh, I used to do this frequently at a couple restaurants I've managed (not fast food). Pretty common in the industry though.
Cooks getting close to OT and all the work not finished, I tell them to clock out and go home.. They look at me, go clock out, and then go back to work 
I've told servers that they have to clock out and go home because they're about to hit OT, they clock out and continue working for tips only. With the introduction to Obamacare, this is going to become an extreme problem for ALL restaurants. ETA: I even used to do that if labor was running high... most were good sports about working off the clock, just buy them a couple beers and dinner. The ones that had a problem with it just got their shifts reduced down to one night a week until they quit. |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 7:54:50 PM EDT
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This is one of the most idiotic posts I've ever read on arfcom. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Their business, their rules. If employees want to be compensated appropriately, they should find work elsewhere. No one is forcing them to work at McDonalds.... they voluntarily stay and put up with it. You should read more of his stuff. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 7:55:56 PM EDT
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Their business, their rules. If employees want to be compensated appropriately, they should find work elsewhere. No one is forcing them to work at McDonalds.... they voluntarily stay and put up with it. Thats the dumbest fucking thing I have seen posted before.
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Posted: 4/19/2014 9:18:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Slicing some time off a paycheck is no worse than excessive smoke breaks that employees take. I once worked for a company once that would slice my check if I went over 40 hours per week. I could have "called the man" on them, but I didn't. I kept working there and it paid me OK money at a time when I really needed it. Reporting it would have just caused me to be without a job. Why bite the hand that feeds? What did the employees really lose? A couple bucks? Boo hoo. Life will go on. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Their business, their rules. If employees want to be compensated appropriately, they should find work elsewhere. No one is forcing them to work at McDonalds.... they voluntarily stay and put up with it. No self-respecting libertarian I've ever met was ok with fraud/theft. That said, I'm skeptical about the claims. Slicing some time off a paycheck is no worse than excessive smoke breaks that employees take. I once worked for a company once that would slice my check if I went over 40 hours per week. I could have "called the man" on them, but I didn't. I kept working there and it paid me OK money at a time when I really needed it. Reporting it would have just caused me to be without a job. Why bite the hand that feeds? What did the employees really lose? A couple bucks? Boo hoo. Life will go on. Just as the stores in question should have to answer for stealing the wages that were worked. Yes, worked. As long as they were allowed to punch in and stay on the clock they were working and need to be paid for it, per the application contract. Yes, if they knew it was happening and kept working there they were not very smart, but it doesn't allow justification for the franchises to be breaking the law. They could have quit, just as they could have been fired. But that didn't happen. Theft did. |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 9:26:18 PM EDT
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Their business, their rules. If employees want to be compensated appropriately, they should find work elsewhere. No one is forcing them to work at McDonalds.... they voluntarily stay and put up with it. Lib, why Lib? Why? |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 9:37:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If minimum wage laws didn't exist, sure. I think they'd be a great way to pay employees. Per burger or per customer. Why should they get paid if there isn't revenue being generated? They'd do well to increase sales by providing a quality experience. You scare your customers away? You don't get paid. But ultimately, it's up to the employer to decide the terms of employment and employees to agree or not agree. Oh, and watch out for the fine print. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So because someone is on the clock at the job, but not actively serving a customer because no one is currently in the store, then they should not be paid? Uhhg, Libertarians... retards. If minimum wage laws didn't exist, sure. I think they'd be a great way to pay employees. Per burger or per customer. Why should they get paid if there isn't revenue being generated? They'd do well to increase sales by providing a quality experience. You scare your customers away? You don't get paid. But ultimately, it's up to the employer to decide the terms of employment and employees to agree or not agree. Oh, and watch out for the fine print.  |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 9:41:06 PM EDT
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So thousands of individual franchise owners are for some reason all conspiring to alter workers' timecards?
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Posted: 4/19/2014 9:42:01 PM EDT
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So besides labor laws, what other laws do employers get to ignore in your fairy dust and unicorn farts universe?
This'll come in handy. |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 9:58:17 PM EDT
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My friend told me his brother had this happen to him. Was ordered many times to work off the clock.
Seriously, you pay minimum wage, and then not even pay for the hours they fucking work!?! My employer shits a brick if I so much as clean up my desk off the clock. |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 10:01:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Their business, their rules. If employees want to be compensated appropriately, they should find work elsewhere. No one is forcing them to work at McDonalds.... they voluntarily stay and put up with it. |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 10:02:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: actually if it was such a problem why hasn't an employee came out and sued them over it. hell i would do it work there a year or so and keep your time logged and sue for millions :D Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Their business, their rules. If employees want to be compensated appropriately, they should find work elsewhere. No one is forcing them to work at McDonalds.... they voluntarily stay and put up with it. actually if it was such a problem why hasn't an employee came out and sued them over it. hell i would do it work there a year or so and keep your time logged and sue for millions :D |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 10:06:19 PM EDT
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<snip> The people who are supposedly being "cheated" on their paychecks are liking collecting welfare and cheating you and me (the taxpayers). Zero fucks given. So it's fine that McDonalds cheats these people out of money they earned working an actual job because some of them collect welfare? That's a question to you. Say that you think it's ok or say that you don't think it's ok. It's a yes/no question. Don't equivocate, say what you think. |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 10:10:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So because someone is on the clock at the job, but not actively serving a customer because no one is currently in the store, then they should not be paid? Uhhg, Libertarians... retards. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Their business, their rules. If employees want to be compensated appropriately, they should find work elsewhere. No one is forcing them to work at McDonalds.... they voluntarily stay and put up with it. lol now that is dumb, even for GD. Everyone should be paid their agreed upon wage for every second they are on the clock. You really think McDonalds workers are working on the clock every second they're there? Are they really "earning" that money? Have you ever been to McDonalds? That shit takes forever. So because someone is on the clock at the job, but not actively serving a customer because no one is currently in the store, then they should not be paid? Uhhg, Libertarians... retards. In fact, I'm not entirely sure I believe he's a libertarian. I think he's really either a DU Troll, here to cause discord.... or he's a Neo-con who wants to turn people off from libertarianism.
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Posted: 4/19/2014 10:11:16 PM EDT
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Hi, Mr Yankee. Please follow these instructions to the letter for anymore of your opinions.
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Posted: 4/19/2014 10:12:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Employment is a take it or leave it proposition. You take the job or you don't. You stay or you don't. The job belongs solely to the employer, not the employee. This two-way street employment analogy I hear (often form liberals) is bullshit. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Are you dumb? That has nothing to do with employment. Employment is an agreement to exchange labor for money. No one is feeding anyone else, it's a mutual exchange. You act like employers watch over us like parents watch over their young and coddle us. Without workers there is no work, without work their is no company, so companies pay workers to do the work. Employment is a take it or leave it proposition. You take the job or you don't. You stay or you don't. The job belongs solely to the employer, not the employee. This two-way street employment analogy I hear (often form liberals) is bullshit. |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 10:15:29 PM EDT
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Cheating people out of their money? Getting your ass whooped will generally correct that.
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Posted: 4/19/2014 10:27:03 PM EDT
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If minimum wage laws didn't exist, sure. I think they'd be a great way to pay employees. Per burger or per customer. Why should they get paid if there isn't revenue being generated? They'd do well to increase sales by providing a quality experience. You scare your customers away? You don't get paid. But ultimately, it's up to the employer to decide the terms of employment and employees to agree or not agree. Oh, and watch out for the fine print. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So because someone is on the clock at the job, but not actively serving a customer because no one is currently in the store, then they should not be paid? Uhhg, Libertarians... retards. If minimum wage laws didn't exist, sure. I think they'd be a great way to pay employees. Per burger or per customer. Why should they get paid if there isn't revenue being generated? They'd do well to increase sales by providing a quality experience. You scare your customers away? You don't get paid. But ultimately, it's up to the employer to decide the terms of employment and employees to agree or not agree. Oh, and watch out for the fine print. Is there any way we can vote to have his name forcibly changed to "StatistYankee"? |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 10:29:27 PM EDT
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Cheating people out of their money? Getting your ass whooped will generally correct that. No, that would be against the law. The Federal Government or State Government, using the powers granted them in their respective constitutions should micro-manage small businesses, the free marketplace be damned. At least that's what the statists would want. Plus, those workers are just too fucking stupid to manage their own affairs, they need a nanny state, it's for their own good. |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 10:32:10 PM EDT
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When I turned 16, I took a job at McDonald's because a few of my friends worked there. I was a bit dumb, so it took me nearly 3 weeks of working there before I realized that I could do better, found another job, and quit.
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Posted: 4/19/2014 10:36:20 PM EDT
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Their business, their rules. If employees want to be compensated appropriately, they should find work elsewhere. No one is forcing them to work at McDonalds.... they voluntarily stay and put up with it. 
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Posted: 4/19/2014 10:40:30 PM EDT
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Im pretty sure its against the rules to not pay someone for hours worked. Seriously some of you who parrot this "their company their rules" shit are idiots. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Their business, their rules. If employees want to be compensated appropriately, they should find work elsewhere. No one is forcing them to work at McDonalds.... they voluntarily stay and put up with it.
Im pretty sure its against the rules to not pay someone for hours worked. Seriously some of you who parrot this "their company their rules" shit are idiots. Unless you're in defense contracting, then it's a bidding strategy called "mandatory uncompensated overtime" as in work 50, get paid for 40. Work 38, get paid for...you guessed it - 38. Causes your "effective rate" to drop 20% |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 10:55:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Their business, their rules. If employees want to be compensated appropriately, they should find work elsewhere. No one is forcing them to work at McDonalds.... they voluntarily stay and put up with it. Generic OP: I was on the clock and my employer entered my locker and took cash out of my wallet LibertarianYankee: Dur Dur Dur if you don't like your employer stealing from you find another job. No one is forcing you to stay there. Because you say you must be agreeing to being robbed!
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Posted: 4/19/2014 10:58:56 PM EDT
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Their business, their rules. If employees want to be compensated appropriately, they should find work elsewhere. No one is forcing them to work at McDonalds.... they voluntarily stay and put up with it. http://elpeladero.sinremordimiento.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/ronald-mcdonald-trollface.png lolz |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 11:15:18 PM EDT
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I quit working at McDonald's 35 years ago, in High School, because the manager screwed me out of overtime on a regular basis.
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Posted: 4/19/2014 11:19:14 PM EDT
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Their business, their rules. If employees want to be compensated appropriately, they should find work elsewhere. No one is forcing them to work at McDonalds.... they voluntarily stay and put up with it. Not my week to feed trolls, sorry. My grandfather always said "never roll in the mud with a pig; you'll only get dirty and the pig likes it." |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 11:23:40 PM EDT
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Bull Fucking Shit! If they are doing what is being reported in the video, they are braking the law. It is illegal and unethical. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Their business, their rules. If employees want to be compensated appropriately, they should find work elsewhere. No one is forcing them to work at McDonalds.... they voluntarily stay and put up with it. Bull Fucking Shit! If they are doing what is being reported in the video, they are braking the law. It is illegal and unethical. don't get too worked up, he's a known troll |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 11:28:03 PM EDT
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This is one of the most idiotic posts I've ever read on arfcom. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Their business, their rules. If employees want to be compensated appropriately, they should find work elsewhere. No one is forcing them to work at McDonalds.... they voluntarily stay and put up with it. Why do you guys fall for his posts? I've been here like a month and even I know he is just a troll. He isn't even that original, he just posts the same old shit in every thread. |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 11:41:36 PM EDT
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Slicing some time off a paycheck is no worse than excessive smoke breaks that employees take. I once worked for a company once that would slice my check if I went over 40 hours per week. I could have "called the man" on them, but I didn't. I kept working there and it paid me OK money at a time when I really needed it. Reporting it would have just caused me to be without a job. Why bite the hand that feeds? What did the employees really lose? A couple bucks? Boo hoo. Life will go on. I'm so glad there are still people like Cliven Bundy, to counter all the pussies there are in this country. |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 11:44:30 PM EDT
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I'm sure there will be a lawsuit over this if true. FLSA cases pay attorney fees IIRC. 
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Posted: 4/19/2014 11:50:41 PM EDT
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Well, about a year ago when they (McDonalds) started short filling the soda's and OJ, I stopped going there... F them. |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 11:52:42 PM EDT
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Meh, I used to do this frequently at a couple restaurants I've managed (not fast food). Pretty common in the industry though. Cooks getting close to OT and all the work not finished, I tell them to clock out and go home.. They look at me, go clock out, and then go back to work
I've told servers that they have to clock out and go home because they're about to hit OT, they clock out and continue working for tips only. With the introduction to Obamacare, this is going to become an extreme problem for ALL restaurants. ETA: I even used to do that if labor was running high... most were good sports about working off the clock, just buy them a couple beers and dinner. The ones that had a problem with it just got their shifts reduced down to one night a week until they quit. So how does it feel being a piece of shit thief? Shit like this is why I stay out of the EE. |
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Posted: 4/20/2014 5:01:21 AM EDT
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Meh, I used to do this frequently at a couple restaurants I've managed (not fast food). Pretty common in the industry though. Cooks getting close to OT and all the work not finished, I tell them to clock out and go home.. They look at me, go clock out, and then go back to work
I've told servers that they have to clock out and go home because they're about to hit OT, they clock out and continue working for tips only. With the introduction to Obamacare, this is going to become an extreme problem for ALL restaurants. ETA: I even used to do that if labor was running high... most were good sports about working off the clock, just buy them a couple beers and dinner. The ones that had a problem with it just got their shifts reduced down to one night a week until they quit. Reminder to self: ask food service employees if they are on the clock before ordering. Wouldn't want to be the recipient of food from a disgruntled cook or waitress who feels they are being forced to work off the clock to maintain employment status. Also: a manager who does that is a dick, regardless of industry SOP. |
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Posted: 4/20/2014 5:20:57 AM EDT
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I'm so glad there are still people like Cliven Bundy, to counter all the pussies there are in this country. The guy that hasn't paid his grazing fees for 20 years? He's one of them. |
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Posted: 4/20/2014 5:21:13 AM EDT
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I'm so glad there are still people like Cliven Bundy, to counter all the pussies there are in this country. 
Cliven Bundy? The man who is complaining about land that doesn't even belong to him?
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Posted: 4/20/2014 5:28:01 AM EDT
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Does McD's corp actually operate any stores or are they all franchises?
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Posted: 4/20/2014 5:28:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Their business, their rules. If employees want to be compensated appropriately, they should find work elsewhere. No one is forcing them to work at McDonalds.... they voluntarily stay and put up with it. That thing you said there. It makes you sound stupid. |
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Posted: 4/20/2014 5:30:51 AM EDT
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That thing you said there. It makes you sound stupid. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Their business, their rules. If employees want to be compensated appropriately, they should find work elsewhere. No one is forcing them to work at McDonalds.... they voluntarily stay and put up with it. That thing you said there. It makes you sound stupid. There's others in the thread that admit to being managers and doing things similar to their employees. I ain't the only one here.
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