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Posted: 4/19/2014 12:40:51 PM EDT
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Well, I see involving yourself in the neighbor's affairs went smashingly. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They wife had texted me at work telling me the dude tried to bully his way past her and she was pretty upset Well, I see involving yourself in the neighbor's affairs went smashingly. I'm shocked. 
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Posted: 4/19/2014 12:40:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Where did the OP go? |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 12:41:28 PM EDT
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Op is offline, I figure he is high tailing it home right now.
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Posted: 4/19/2014 12:45:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Op is offline, I figure he is high tailing it home right now. |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 12:46:49 PM EDT
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I'm shocked. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They wife had texted me at work telling me the dude tried to bully his way past her and she was pretty upset Well, I see involving yourself in the neighbor's affairs went smashingly. I'm shocked. Like Omar Sharif approaching the well. |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 12:47:00 PM EDT
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In before video of neighbor getting arrested.
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Posted: 4/19/2014 12:48:42 PM EDT
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F that. Tell him they're fakes.
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Posted: 4/19/2014 12:49:48 PM EDT
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Sorry about the douchebag neighbor, but even with them being a jerk, if some sort of crime or vandalism happened on their property, I'd help them out as much as I could.
I'd figure that I was going to be next if kids or crooks are up to no good in the neighborhood. |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 12:53:30 PM EDT
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Where did the OP go? OP was at work getting texts from his rattled wife. Had to leave early to take care of this stuff |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 12:55:47 PM EDT
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Sorry about the douchebag neighbor, but even with them being a jerk, if some sort of crime or vandalism happened on their property, I'd help them out as much as I could. I'd figure that I was going to be next if kids or crooks are up to no good in the neighborhood. If it was a crime that the OP's neighbour was looking to solve, he should have the police investigate. I'm sure if the cops showed up at the OP's house looking for clues that they would have been taken care of. Hot-head neighbour trying to get past OP's wife and into his house is up to no good. Good chance it is a domestic and the guy is not rational. |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 12:55:51 PM EDT
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If it's domestic no. If it's because of a break in then yes. And tell them the truth. |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 12:57:00 PM EDT
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who does he work for? .guv mole? Only if you yell "who does number 2 work for! Who does number 2 work for!!!!"
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Posted: 4/19/2014 12:59:17 PM EDT
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Ask them what they are looking for and approximately what time. You look and if you see anything, you can burn a video of it Why are so many people so afraid to help their neighbors? This^^^ |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 1:03:07 PM EDT
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They wife had texted me at work telling me the dude tried to bully his way past her and she was pretty upset Some of you that have been around a while and went to the Texas Black Rifle or some of the local shoots may remember that I am the rather large dude who's wife happens to be deaf. I have no problem standing up to any man and almost any beast. I just kind of wanted to have my dialogue planned out instead of wanting to throw down with some dude for upsetting my wife and trying to barge his way past her into my home. Ok nevermind. fuck him in his dick scarred ass 
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Posted: 4/19/2014 1:03:27 PM EDT
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Tell the neighbor to FOAD and NOT to set foot on your property again.
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Posted: 4/19/2014 1:04:18 PM EDT
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Is your wife armed ? As stated before, we used to go to the arfcom and local shoots and wife is deaf. She is a pretty good shot too. We train together. She has this thing she read about Gorden Liddy and shooting for the groin. She claims she can differentiate between shooting for the groin or shooting someone in the ass for a non lethal stop. |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 1:07:06 PM EDT
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Neighbor is being a dick now. Tell him to fuck off, eat shit and stay off your property.
No wonder someone decided to blow out his window. |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 1:08:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This. If they got robbed/vandalized/whatever I'd be happy to look through the footage on that day myself and provide them with a copy of any incident. If it's a domestic/infidelity situation, I'd politely say that the footage from "that far back" isn't archived. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Ask them what they are looking for and approximately what time. You look and if you see anything, you can burn a video of it Why are so many people so afraid to help their neighbors? This. If they got robbed/vandalized/whatever I'd be happy to look through the footage on that day myself and provide them with a copy of any incident. If it's a domestic/infidelity situation, I'd politely say that the footage from "that far back" isn't archived. The whole situation is up to the OP. If its a domestic, sure, stay the hec out. If a theft or something similar, whats the problem with looking as long as the OP states, he'll do the looking and get any important info to the neighbor. I guess Im just used to having great neighbors and having the respect of my neighbors. |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 1:10:04 PM EDT
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OP, sounds like your neighbor is a narcissist dick. After the incident with wifey, the last thing he should be worried about is his window.
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Posted: 4/19/2014 1:10:09 PM EDT
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I think I would tell him to fuck off after he tried to get past your wife. That is nuts and a great way to get himself shot by a wife who is afraid for her life from a home invader.
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Posted: 4/19/2014 1:11:47 PM EDT
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Ok nevermind. fuck him in his dick scarred ass Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They wife had texted me at work telling me the dude tried to bully his way past her and she was pretty upset Some of you that have been around a while and went to the Texas Black Rifle or some of the local shoots may remember that I am the rather large dude who's wife happens to be deaf. I have no problem standing up to any man and almost any beast. I just kind of wanted to have my dialogue planned out instead of wanting to throw down with some dude for upsetting my wife and trying to barge his way past her into my home. Ok nevermind. fuck him in his dick scarred ass Fuck... forget what I said above.
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Posted: 4/19/2014 1:14:33 PM EDT
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They're looking for blindspots. Don't do it. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ This! Tell them it is illegal without a warrant. |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 1:16:44 PM EDT
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He needs to tell you why first off. He's asking YOU for a favor remind him of that. You're at complete liberty to say NO to him at any time. This and if not comfortable tell him its wiped every 36-48(pick your time) |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 1:22:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Neighbor is being a dick now. Tell him to fuck off, eat shit and stay off your property. No wonder someone decided to blow out his window.  |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 1:22:35 PM EDT
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Gents, thanks for your advice. You have been a big help in organizing my thoughts in what has been a stressful situation
I have a neighbor I need to go talk to and give a flash drive. I still got a lot to do before Easter Sunday besides repel the urge to beat down or provoke the neighbor into a "I was in fear for my life" situation. Got to go see my 100 year old mother that lives by herself half way between Houston and Beaumont in the middle of nowhere. Got a couple of new Sigs for the wife and myself to break in while I am visiting mom. |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 1:22:53 PM EDT
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he wants to see what your cameras record so he knows how to fuck your shit up without being recorded
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Posted: 4/19/2014 2:00:27 PM EDT
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If he was trying to get inside around my wife, I would tell him never to step foot on my property again. It would be clear he in not welcome. And then shoot out another window tonight. |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 2:02:05 PM EDT
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This does not sound like a good idea to me. Don't really know the people and I have no idea what kind of stuff they are looking for. Don't really want to get involved in some weird domestic stuff. I really don't want them to know what my system is capable of as well. What say you? What should I tell them if I want to say no? Ask them if there is a specific event, crime, or suspicious person they suspect is lurking and looking through their windows, or if they suspect their spouse of infidelity - you will search the footage for any evidence thereof. IF YOU find anything matching their suspicion - you MIGHT give them a copy of said footage at your own discretion. If NO such event, crime, or suspicious activity is sought - they just want to know where the cameras are pointed, and what areas are covered - thereby violating your operational and defensive security. This would make me tell them to FOAD! They most likely think you are a creeper recording every thing they do in their own back yard, they don't like it, and think you are a crazy stalker. They want evidence that your cameras are recording them - not your own property. Again tell them to fuck off and die. Or just tell them that allowing people I see what areas are or are not under surveillance would pose a security risk by illustrating any potential gaps in coverage. |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 2:02:22 PM EDT
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Double tap. Sorry! iPhone hair trigger.
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Posted: 4/19/2014 2:06:15 PM EDT
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Gents, thanks for your advice. You have been a big help in organizing my thoughts in what has been a stressful situation I have a neighbor I need to go talk to and give a flash drive. I still got a lot to do before Easter Sunday besides repel the urge to beat down or provoke the neighbor into a "I was in fear for my life" situation. Got to go see my 100 year old mother that lives by herself half way between Houston and Beaumont in the middle of nowhere. Got a couple of new Sigs for the wife and myself to break in while I am visiting mom. Up until that sentence, I thought I knew you. You guys have a lot of similar personal traits. But his Mom isn't 100 and doesn't live in Texas.
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Posted: 4/19/2014 2:08:11 PM EDT
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I'd give your neighbor a tape, but on that tape I would put a cheesy 70's-80's porno like Debbie Does Dallas 4.
Just kidding. No, I would not show him your security camera recordings. |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 2:16:09 PM EDT
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Why are so many people so afraid to help their neighbors? People are afraid of the unknown. The less you interact with the neighbors and the less they know you, the more they hesitate to come annoy you or let their kids into your yard |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 2:23:04 PM EDT
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People are afraid of the unknown. The less you interact with the neighbors and the less they know you, the more they hesitate to come annoy you or let their kids into your yard Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why are so many people so afraid to help their neighbors? People are afraid of the unknown. The less you interact with the neighbors and the less they know you, the more they hesitate to come annoy you or let their kids into your yard Or... it could be that when you try to be Mr. Neighborhood Nice Guy it turns around and bites you on the ass. Like it did to the OP in this thread. 
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Posted: 4/19/2014 2:26:03 PM EDT
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Or... it could be that when you try to be Mr. Neighborhood Nice Guy it turns around and bites you on the ass. Like it did to the OP in this thread.
Yep. Op handled it well. His neighbor, not so much. |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 3:04:10 PM EDT
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Tell them your home security is not open for discussion.
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Posted: 4/19/2014 3:13:26 PM EDT
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OP, I find this useful when meeting neighbors.
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Posted: 4/19/2014 3:16:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They wife had texted me at work telling me the dude tried to bully his way past her and she was pretty upset This changes the dynamics. File a police report. Not too much of a stretch to see how Captain Asshole probably pissed someone off bad and the car window was retribution. Fuck that guy. |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 3:18:41 PM EDT
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Come back with a subpoena to produce evidence. Of course, a civil case would have to be filed for that to be kosher. Then you get to fight over a motion to quash it.
Good luck. Just tell them the system doesn't work. |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 3:20:18 PM EDT
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Time to get the man involved. The guy is escalating things way beyond reason. Is your wife armed ? This! Negative should have been the OP's response to the neighbor right from the get go. Like so much in life these days no good deed goes unpunished. How many times does that have to be proven before folks start paying attention? It's not the 50s/60s anymore.
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Posted: 4/19/2014 3:21:09 PM EDT
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(delted)
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Posted: 4/19/2014 3:22:58 PM EDT
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I'd shoot out the rest of his windows tonight
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Posted: 4/19/2014 3:24:36 PM EDT
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And then shoot out another window tonight. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If he was trying to get inside around my wife, I would tell him never to step foot on my property again. It would be clear he in not welcome. And then shoot out another window tonight. if he was trying to blow past the wife. Castle Doctrine Falls into place. he is an uninvited, possibly dangerous person attempting entrance into your house while your wife is there. you don't have to be Sherlock Holmes to see bad things are affront. |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 3:41:17 PM EDT
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Tell them the data is only backed up for the last 2 to 3 days then wiped? ETA: Why the fuck do they want to see YOUR security camera recordings? He wants to see if you are "spying on him," i.e. have your cameras pointing onto his property. don't submit. |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 3:54:03 PM EDT
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it's funny to read a lot of these responses in a political context. when french analyst alexis de tocqueville first examined US culture in the early 19th century, he said that what made america special--what made the system work so much better than post-revolutionary france--was the idea that americans understood duty. one of his examples was a fallen bridge. according to tocqueville, if a bridge washed out in france, everyone would sit around saying "it's not my job", and trying to find someone else to pin the responsibility on. in america, he said, people recognized that no matter whose fault or responsibility it is, the damn bridge needed to be fixed. so people would spontaneously show up, get together, and fix the damn bridge...without anyone telling them to do so. they just helped each other out because they felt a duty to be neighborly. this was the difference between french revolutionary ideals and american ideals--both groups talked about 'liberty', but what made the american system function far better than the french one is that americans had legal liberty...combined with a moral sense of duty. he claimed that the french didn't even think about duty--they wanted all the legal rights without any of the moral responsibilities, and this made their system far inferior to america's. reading through this thread, we seem to have a lot of frenchies. lol. it was a different country back then. with a different legal sustem and governemnt as well. no comparasion. |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 3:54:09 PM EDT
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Negative should have been the OP's response to the neighbor right from the get go. Like so much in life these days no good deed goes unpunished. How many times does that have to be proven before folks start paying attention? It's not the 50s/60s anymore. This. |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 3:56:54 PM EDT
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lol. it was a different country back then. with a different legal sustem and governemnt as well. no comparasion. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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it's funny to read a lot of these responses in a political context. when french analyst alexis de tocqueville first examined US culture in the early 19th century, he said that what made america special--what made the system work so much better than post-revolutionary france--was the idea that americans understood duty. one of his examples was a fallen bridge. according to tocqueville, if a bridge washed out in france, everyone would sit around saying "it's not my job", and trying to find someone else to pin the responsibility on. in america, he said, people recognized that no matter whose fault or responsibility it is, the damn bridge needed to be fixed. so people would spontaneously show up, get together, and fix the damn bridge...without anyone telling them to do so. they just helped each other out because they felt a duty to be neighborly. this was the difference between french revolutionary ideals and american ideals--both groups talked about 'liberty', but what made the american system function far better than the french one is that americans had legal liberty...combined with a moral sense of duty. he claimed that the french didn't even think about duty--they wanted all the legal rights without any of the moral responsibilities, and this made their system far inferior to america's. reading through this thread, we seem to have a lot of frenchies. lol. it was a different country back then. with a different legal sustem and governemnt as well. no comparasion. I think that's exactly his point. |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 4:17:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: it's funny to read a lot of these responses in a political context. when french analyst alexis de tocqueville first examined US culture in the early 19th century, he said that what made america special--what made the system work so much better than post-revolutionary france--was the idea that americans understood duty. one of his examples was a fallen bridge. according to tocqueville, if a bridge washed out in france, everyone would sit around saying "it's not my job", and trying to find someone else to pin the responsibility on. in america, he said, people recognized that no matter whose fault or responsibility it is, the damn bridge needed to be fixed. so people would spontaneously show up, get together, and fix the damn bridge...without anyone telling them to do so. they just helped each other out because they felt a duty to be neighborly. this was the difference between french revolutionary ideals and american ideals--both groups talked about 'liberty', but what made the american system function far better than the french one is that americans had legal liberty...combined with a moral sense of duty. he claimed that the french didn't even think about duty--they wanted all the legal rights without any of the moral responsibilities, and this made their system far inferior to america's. reading through this thread, we seem to have a lot of frenchies. How exactly is it helping your neighbor to just let your neighbor view your own property-surveillance video, no questions asked?  |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 4:20:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Dude was waiting for me as soon as I drove into the driveway. His wife's car had a window broken out last night. I told the guy I would take a look and if I saw anything, I would make him a copy. I started to go inside and he wants to follow me in. I told the dude in the politest way I could that I would take a look and if I saw anything, I would give him a copy even though my lawyer told me not to. He starts going on and on about being neighbors and how he would do it for me if the situation was reversed, I could not resist asking him how it is possible that he has lived next door for more than two years and despite my attempts to be friendly and engage him in conversation, I don't even know his name? He seriously thinks I am going to drop everything and do this chop chop and I have not even gotten into my fat boy stretchy pants yet. I did look through and I did notice that about 2:32 my time that at one second it was there and the next it was not. I have made him a copy of the 5 minutes prior and 5 after that includes sound. All you can hear is an impact of the glass being hit. Best guess on my part is BB gun or slingshot. No vehicle traffic, bicycle or foot traffic that I could see. Anything more will require a warrant or subpoena. I will keep a copy of the entire 24 hours. Mighty neighborly of him.  |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 4:25:50 PM EDT
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my point is we are in one as well. I hate to see the tazing and beating and fines we'd get for helping out these days. I think that's exactly his point. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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it's funny to read a lot of these responses in a political context. when french analyst alexis de tocqueville first examined US culture in the early 19th century, he said that what made america special--what made the system work so much better than post-revolutionary france--was the idea that americans understood duty. one of his examples was a fallen bridge. according to tocqueville, if a bridge washed out in france, everyone would sit around saying "it's not my job", and trying to find someone else to pin the responsibility on. in america, he said, people recognized that no matter whose fault or responsibility it is, the damn bridge needed to be fixed. so people would spontaneously show up, get together, and fix the damn bridge...without anyone telling them to do so. they just helped each other out because they felt a duty to be neighborly. this was the difference between french revolutionary ideals and american ideals--both groups talked about 'liberty', but what made the american system function far better than the french one is that americans had legal liberty...combined with a moral sense of duty. he claimed that the french didn't even think about duty--they wanted all the legal rights without any of the moral responsibilities, and this made their system far inferior to america's. reading through this thread, we seem to have a lot of frenchies. lol. it was a different country back then. with a different legal sustem and governemnt as well. no comparasion. my point is we are in one as well. I hate to see the tazing and beating and fines we'd get for helping out these days. I think that's exactly his point. |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 6:29:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This ain't the early 19th century anymore, hoss. Scumbag neighbors are a reality for many people, and OP is right to be suspicious. Of course, his inability to ask "why?" Makes me wonder about him, too. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: ... reading through this thread, we seem to have a lot of frenchies. This ain't the early 19th century anymore, hoss. Scumbag neighbors are a reality for many people, and OP is right to be suspicious. Of course, his inability to ask "why?" Makes me wonder about him, too. suspicion is fine. as i pointed out in my first post, suspicion is actually quite warranted in this particular situation, since the neighbor apparently wasn't very forthcoming with information. but that doesn't change the general abdication of a sense of moral duty to neighbors. our family home is in the country, and we very seldom even speak with our neighbors (MT people like privacy). but if we see some unknown person poking around outside their house while the homeowner is gone, we'll walk over to say hello/make sure nothing untoward is happening. they do the same for us. it's no different than closing a cattle gate that someone accidentally left open--just being neighborly. i dunno--maybe it's a country thing.
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