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Posted: 4/19/2014 4:06:25 AM EDT
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That's fucked up.
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Posted: 4/19/2014 4:21:30 AM EDT
[#2]
Texas! Go Figure
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Posted: 4/19/2014 4:24:39 AM EDT
[#3]
Not cool
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Posted: 4/19/2014 4:31:15 AM EDT
[#4]
FPNI!!!
Shit makes my blood boil 
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Posted: 4/19/2014 4:36:49 AM EDT
[#5]
The conviction was overturned. Why wouldn't he have been released immediately? He was imprisoned at that point, basically, without a conviction?
Shouldn't he have been released and the state responsible for requesting a retrial if they wished to lock him up? I don't understand at all. |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 4:39:57 AM EDT
[#6]
Sounds like he need to be released from jail, and a few others need to be put in jail
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Posted: 4/19/2014 4:44:23 AM EDT
[#7]
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The conviction was overturned. Why wouldn't he have been released immediately? He was imprisoned at that point, basically, without a conviction? Shouldn't he have been released and the state responsible for requesting a retrial if they wished to lock him up? I don't understand at all. It happens when the procedure and image of the law overpower the spirit and intent of the law itself. |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 4:55:35 AM EDT
[#8]
sounds like the court is blaming him for their own screwup
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Posted: 4/19/2014 4:57:02 AM EDT
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This is a symptom of a system that can't or won't admit when it's wrong.
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Posted: 4/19/2014 4:59:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sounds like he need to be released from jail, and a few others need to be put in jail |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 5:04:03 AM EDT
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This is a symptom of a system that can't or won't admit when it's wrong. Seems to be a symptom of big goverment all across the country 
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Posted: 4/19/2014 5:04:50 AM EDT
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It happens when the procedure and image of the law overpower the spirit and intent of the law itself. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The conviction was overturned. Why wouldn't he have been released immediately? He was imprisoned at that point, basically, without a conviction? Shouldn't he have been released and the state responsible for requesting a retrial if they wished to lock him up? I don't understand at all. It happens when the procedure and image of the law overpower the spirit and intent of the law itself. I've never seen it put in such precise terms, but you are exactly right. |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 5:07:27 AM EDT
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The conviction was overturned. Why wouldn't he have been released immediately? He was imprisoned at that point, basically, without a conviction? Shouldn't he have been released and the state responsible for requesting a retrial if they wished to lock him up? I don't understand at all. Judges hate admitting they or other judges make mistakes.. |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 5:07:59 AM EDT
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Texas! Go Figure Hey, atleast they still have the death penalty! |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 5:08:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Sounds like he need to be released from jail, and a few others need to be put in jail Those other people need a thousand year prison sentence. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/news/10697529/Prisoners-could-serve-1000-year-sentence-in-eight-hours.html  |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 5:14:00 AM EDT
[#16]
Actually his lawyer failed to ask for a new trial, not him
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Posted: 4/19/2014 5:20:53 AM EDT
[#17]
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The conviction was overturned. Why wouldn't he have been released immediately? He was imprisoned at that point, basically, without a conviction? Shouldn't he have been released and the state responsible for requesting a retrial if they wished to lock him up? I don't understand at all. That would seem to be the crux of the matter. |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 5:21:30 AM EDT
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That's fucked up. Yep. And here's the kicker...once he IS released, they have to pay him for his time served. After 30+ years, that's a tidy chunk of change. |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 5:25:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep. And here's the kicker...once he IS released, they have to pay him for his time served. After 30+ years, that's a tidy chunk of change. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: That's fucked up. Yep. And here's the kicker...once he IS released, they have to pay him for his time served. After 30+ years, that's a tidy chunk of change. |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 5:27:12 AM EDT
[#20]
Welease Jewwy
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Posted: 4/19/2014 5:27:23 AM EDT
[#21]
Free the guy and lock up everyone involved in this fuck up for the same amount of time
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Posted: 4/19/2014 5:27:30 AM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep. And here's the kicker...once he IS released, they have to pay him for his time served. After 30+ years, that's a tidy chunk of change. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: That's fucked up. Yep. And here's the kicker...once he IS released, they have to pay him for his time served. After 30+ years, that's a tidy chunk of change. $450,000 before taxes and the cost of room and board?
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Posted: 4/19/2014 5:32:19 AM EDT
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In a murder case, would a retrial not be an automatic action in case of an overturned conviction?
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Posted: 4/19/2014 5:34:21 AM EDT
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Not enough to cover for 30 years of life gone. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That's fucked up. Yep. And here's the kicker...once he IS released, they have to pay him for his time served. After 30+ years, that's a tidy chunk of change. Not even close. His best years are gone and no amount of money can buy it back. The upshot of it is (if you can even call it that) is that a mildly retarded individual had food and shelter for most of his life. |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 5:37:38 AM EDT
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It happens when the procedure and image of the law overpower the spirit and intent of the law itself. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The conviction was overturned. Why wouldn't he have been released immediately? He was imprisoned at that point, basically, without a conviction? Shouldn't he have been released and the state responsible for requesting a retrial if they wished to lock him up? I don't understand at all. It happens when the procedure and image of the law overpower the spirit and intent of the law itself. Wisdom |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 5:41:21 AM EDT
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Actually his lawyer failed to ask for a new trial, not him Gr The conviction was overturned. Wouldn't that mean that the onus to ask for a new trial would be on the state since there was no longer a valid conviction to keep him in prison? |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 5:41:36 AM EDT
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Those other people need a thousand year prison sentence. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/news/10697529/Prisoners-could-serve-1000-year-sentence-in-eight-hours.html
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Sounds like he need to be released from jail, and a few others need to be put in jail Those other people need a thousand year prison sentence. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/news/10697529/Prisoners-could-serve-1000-year-sentence-in-eight-hours.html
Deep Space Nine did an episode like this. O'Brien spent 30 years in jail in an hour. For a crime he didn't commit. |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 5:43:47 AM EDT
[#28]
He should have moved to a free state!
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Posted: 4/19/2014 5:43:48 AM EDT
[#29]
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This is a symptom of a system that can't or won't admit when it's wrong. The system is designed so that there is always someone else at least partly to blame. Reduces the chance that anyone is found culpable for mistakes. |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 5:45:45 AM EDT
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Utility scales roughly linearly for time and roughly exponentially for money. Any stab at "equitable compensation" would be a fucking lot more than than the usual few million condemned and eventually freed innocents get.
Since it hasn't been said yet: Texas, land of the free! I'm confident our ballot boxes will fix this, just as they've fixed so many other injustices. 
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Posted: 4/19/2014 5:45:52 AM EDT
[#31]
Now that this is our in the news a lawyer looking for a paycheck will probably precede to go in dry on the state.
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Posted: 4/19/2014 5:45:56 AM EDT
[#32]
poor guy
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Posted: 4/19/2014 5:52:28 AM EDT
[#33]
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Actually his lawyer failed to ask for a new trial, not him Gr Don't quite understand that, a motion for new trial is part of initiating the appellate process. There has to be one on file somewhere. |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 5:53:26 AM EDT
[#34]
Some people would be dying if this happened to me.
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Posted: 4/19/2014 5:58:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not even close. His best years are gone and no amount of money can buy it back. The upshot of it is (if you can even call it that) is that a mildly retarded individual had food and shelter for most of his life. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: That's fucked up. Yep. And here's the kicker...once he IS released, they have to pay him for his time served. After 30+ years, that's a tidy chunk of change. Not even close. His best years are gone and no amount of money can buy it back. The upshot of it is (if you can even call it that) is that a mildly retarded individual had food and shelter for most of his life. |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 6:00:34 AM EDT
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Those other people need a thousand year prison sentence. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/news/10697529/Prisoners-could-serve-1000-year-sentence-in-eight-hours.html
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Sounds like he need to be released from jail, and a few others need to be put in jail Those other people need a thousand year prison sentence. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/news/10697529/Prisoners-could-serve-1000-year-sentence-in-eight-hours.html
That sounds like a crock of shit. But, if it worked (not the drugs, but the computer interface) it could be used for a lot of practical purposes aside from fucking with prisoner's heads. I'm sure there are plenty of commanders and scientists etc. who would love to be able to do a year's worth of thinking in a few minutes. |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 6:05:33 AM EDT
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$450,000 before taxes and the cost of room and board? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That's fucked up. Yep. And here's the kicker...once he IS released, they have to pay him for his time served. After 30+ years, that's a tidy chunk of change. $450,000 before taxes and the cost of room and board? Nope; there is actually a budget item that pays wrongfully convicted persons for the time they served. Which is somewhat disturbing; not that they pay them for it, but that there is actually a part of the state's budget dedicated for that purpose. |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 6:08:21 AM EDT
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Actually his lawyer failed to ask for a new trial, not him Gr But he didn't have a lawyer. |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 6:08:23 AM EDT
[#39]
After living in Texas for 2 years as a kid I would swim the Gulf to go to Mexico before going into Texas.
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Posted: 4/19/2014 6:29:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is a symptom of a system that can't or won't admit when it's wrong. also applies to our current regime everyone involved that fucked up needs to be locked up for the same amount of time |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 6:44:06 AM EDT
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Rick Perry should step in and free him, this case seems like it needs some common sense and the Texas judicial system is all out at the moment
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Posted: 4/19/2014 7:49:50 AM EDT
[#42]
Franz Kafka really isn't dead.
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Posted: 4/19/2014 7:52:24 AM EDT
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In Florida, it is the state's responsibility to see to it that a defendant is retried within 90 days of a reversal. I am shocked to think that the responsibility could ever be placed on the defendant to bring about his trial.
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Posted: 4/19/2014 8:09:12 AM EDT
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Rick Perry should step in and free him, this case seems like it needs some common sense and the Texas judicial system is all out at the moment Can't. The governor does not have that power. I've never heard of this guy, but from what I understand the case was not overturned because he was innocent, it was overturned on procedural grounds. Why there was not an automatic re-trial I could not tell you. |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 8:13:40 AM EDT
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"Hartfield was responsible for his own incarceration because he failed to seek a new trial" AKA, he didn't say "Mother, May I?" to the Texas Nanny State.
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Posted: 4/19/2014 8:17:29 AM EDT
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This is a symptom of a system that can't or won't admit when it's wrong. Yep.
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Posted: 4/19/2014 8:53:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Deep Space Nine did an episode like this. O'Brien spent 30 years in jail in an hour. For a crime he didn't commit. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Sounds like he need to be released from jail, and a few others need to be put in jail Those other people need a thousand year prison sentence. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/news/10697529/Prisoners-could-serve-1000-year-sentence-in-eight-hours.html Deep Space Nine did an episode like this. O'Brien spent 30 years in jail in an hour. For a crime he didn't commit. But he did murder that one guy. |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 11:30:02 AM EDT
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Yep. And here's the kicker...once he IS released, they have to pay him for his time served. After 30+ years, that's a tidy chunk of change. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That's fucked up. Yep. And here's the kicker...once he IS released, they have to pay him for his time served. After 30+ years, that's a tidy chunk of change. Oh don't worry, they'll get him to plead guilty to the charge in exchange for time served, just like they did the Memphs 3 and that gal out in California. They know they're innocent, but the guilty plea gets the state off the hook for paying them what's deserved. |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 11:31:19 AM EDT
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That's fucked up. Yeah murdering someone is fucked up |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 11:42:52 AM EDT
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So what exact charge is the guy being held in prison for? There has to be a charge.......right???
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