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Posted: 4/18/2014 8:55:36 PM EDT
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.303 sucks ass due to the rim overlap issue. At least the Russians were bright enough to put an interrupter in the Mosin. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The No. 4 MK 2 Enfield is the pinnacle of all general issue Bolt-Action Battle Rifles. Short bolt throw, smooth action, Rugged as hell, accurate enough and most importantly, a 10 shot magazine in a 5 shot world. Will sustain a higher rate of accurate fire than any other bolt gun. End of Story. .303 sucks ass due to the rim overlap issue. At least the Russians were bright enough to put an interrupter in the Mosin. Load the clips correctly and it is a non-issue, |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 8:57:19 PM EDT
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Israel used them. 
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Pretty sure the K31 has never been used in combat.
Sure enough. Don't try the boating accident line with them, they'll check! |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 9:00:04 PM EDT
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03-A3.
Because american wartime awesome. |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 9:02:10 PM EDT
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obsolete is obsolete, no matter how pretty it is.
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Posted: 4/18/2014 9:03:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: obsolete is obsolete, no matter how pretty it is. What the hell does that have to do with anything?  |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 9:06:44 PM EDT
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obsolete is obsolete, no matter how pretty it is. He didn't say it's better than the M16. |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 9:07:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: obsolete is obsolete, no matter how pretty it is. An accurate rifle is never obsolete.
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Posted: 4/18/2014 9:10:02 PM EDT
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Mauser Rules
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Posted: 4/18/2014 9:20:00 PM EDT
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I shot two different K-31s this morning. nice.
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Posted: 4/18/2014 9:23:25 PM EDT
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I have 2 k31's I bought when they were $89 from AIM long ago. Scored quite a few cases of GP11 with them. Only have 4 and half cases left.
I would pick them over any bolt gun around if ammo was prevalent. They are extremely accurate. |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 9:27:11 PM EDT
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Mauser Rules Goddamn right it does. What other surplus can you re-barrel and make into anything you like with ease? Oh, that's right, none. Have fun doing anything to a Russian boat paddle, save scoping it and bending the handle, without a full machine shop. Einfield? Enjoy all that surplus ammo that doesn't exist anymore. And when you reload, don't expect case life beyond around 5 reloads for a war year rifle. K31? Novelty. Sprinfield 03's and 1917's are the next best- because they are already in a caliber designed specifically to deliver justice. Carcano? Guido garbage. Collecting the Mosin or the SKS rifle/carbine is like collecting stds. They are dirty and cheap. |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 9:29:24 PM EDT
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Goddamn right it does. What other surplus can you re-barrel and make into anything you like with ease? Oh, that's right, none. Have fun doing anything to a Russian boat paddle, save scoping it and bending the handle, without a full machine shop. Einfield? Enjoy all that surplus ammo that doesn't exist anymore. And when you reload, don't expect case life beyond around 5 reloads for a war year rifle. K31? Novelty. Sprinfield 03's and 1917's are the next best- because they are already in a caliber designed specifically to deliver justice. Carcano? Guido garbage. Collecting the Mosin or the SKS rifle/carbine is like collecting stds. They are dirty and cheap. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Mauser Rules Goddamn right it does. What other surplus can you re-barrel and make into anything you like with ease? Oh, that's right, none. Have fun doing anything to a Russian boat paddle, save scoping it and bending the handle, without a full machine shop. Einfield? Enjoy all that surplus ammo that doesn't exist anymore. And when you reload, don't expect case life beyond around 5 reloads for a war year rifle. K31? Novelty. Sprinfield 03's and 1917's are the next best- because they are already in a caliber designed specifically to deliver justice. Carcano? Guido garbage. Collecting the Mosin or the SKS rifle/carbine is like collecting stds. They are dirty and cheap. 8mm isn't exactly growing on tress these days... |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 9:30:54 PM EDT
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Mauser Rules Goddamn right it does. What other surplus can you re-barrel and make into anything you like with ease? Oh, that's right, none. Have fun doing anything to a Russian boat paddle, save scoping it and bending the handle, without a full machine shop. Einfield? Enjoy all that surplus ammo that doesn't exist anymore. And when you reload, don't expect case life beyond around 5 reloads for a war year rifle. K31? Novelty. Sprinfield 03's and 1917's are the next best- because they are already in a caliber designed specifically to deliver justice. Carcano? Guido garbage. Collecting the Mosin or the SKS rifle/carbine is like collecting stds. They are dirty and cheap. 8mm isn't exactly growing on tress these days... Nope. That's why you can re-barrel the action into whatever you like. |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 9:33:03 PM EDT
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Nope. That's why you can re-barrel the action into whatever you like. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Mauser Rules Goddamn right it does. What other surplus can you re-barrel and make into anything you like with ease? Oh, that's right, none. Have fun doing anything to a Russian boat paddle, save scoping it and bending the handle, without a full machine shop. Einfield? Enjoy all that surplus ammo that doesn't exist anymore. And when you reload, don't expect case life beyond around 5 reloads for a war year rifle. K31? Novelty. Sprinfield 03's and 1917's are the next best- because they are already in a caliber designed specifically to deliver justice. Carcano? Guido garbage. Collecting the Mosin or the SKS rifle/carbine is like collecting stds. They are dirty and cheap. 8mm isn't exactly growing on tress these days... Nope. That's why you can re-barrel the action into whatever you like. And then it isn't a WWII rifle, it is merely a Mauser action. |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 9:34:49 PM EDT
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If I had to go into battle today with a bolt action rifle, the K31 would be it.
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Posted: 4/18/2014 9:36:55 PM EDT
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The only thing that I was disappointed with so far on the K31 I just recently got from AIM was there was no previous swiss owner tag under the buttplate
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Posted: 4/18/2014 9:36:58 PM EDT
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And then it isn't a WWII rifle, it is merely a Mauser action. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Mauser Rules Goddamn right it does. What other surplus can you re-barrel and make into anything you like with ease? Oh, that's right, none. Have fun doing anything to a Russian boat paddle, save scoping it and bending the handle, without a full machine shop. Einfield? Enjoy all that surplus ammo that doesn't exist anymore. And when you reload, don't expect case life beyond around 5 reloads for a war year rifle. K31? Novelty. Sprinfield 03's and 1917's are the next best- because they are already in a caliber designed specifically to deliver justice. Carcano? Guido garbage. Collecting the Mosin or the SKS rifle/carbine is like collecting stds. They are dirty and cheap. 8mm isn't exactly growing on tress these days... Nope. That's why you can re-barrel the action into whatever you like. And then it isn't a WWII rifle, it is merely a Mauser action. You are right then sir. The point of the thread is WWII rifle. Guess if I make it into whatever I like it doesn't count anymore, unless we want to debate whether 30-06 or 8mm-06 counts. 8mm surplus is still out there though. CTD (gack) has Romanian ball, and SG still has Iranian stuff. The glory days of cheap Yugo stuff is over. 
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Posted: 4/18/2014 9:37:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Goddamn right it does. What other surplus can you re-barrel and make into anything you like with ease? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Mauser Rules Goddamn right it does. What other surplus can you re-barrel and make into anything you like with ease? Why would anyone do that? You can't exactly find k98ks for under $300 anymore. Even if you could, why destroy a historical rifle when you can go buy a new Savage that shoots MOA out of the box for the same price? |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 9:38:07 PM EDT
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03-A3. Because american wartime awesome. Fuck yeah. |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 9:38:27 PM EDT
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Why would anyone do that? You can't exactly find k98ks for under $300 anymore. Even if you could, why destroy a historical rifle when you can go buy a new Savage that shoots MOA out of the box for the same price? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Mauser Rules Goddamn right it does. What other surplus can you re-barrel and make into anything you like with ease? Why would anyone do that? You can't exactly find k98ks for under $300 anymore. Even if you could, why destroy a historical rifle when you can go buy a new Savage that shoots MOA out of the box for the same price? Because some have barrels that look like sewer pipes. |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 9:40:29 PM EDT
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An accurate rifle is never obsolete. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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obsolete is obsolete, no matter how pretty it is. An accurate rifle is never obsolete. I would be if the action is so smooth that it binds up and burs like the Canadian Ross rifle in WWI. |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 9:59:43 PM EDT
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The only thing that I was disappointed with so far on the K31 I just recently got from AIM was there was no previous swiss owner tag under the buttplate I've been trying to track mine down, and I think I have it narrowed down to one or two possibilities that are still alive. Might be worth it to send an international letter soon. |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 10:07:52 PM EDT
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The No. 4 MK 2 Enfield is the pinnacle of all general issue Bolt-Action Battle Rifles. Short bolt throw, smooth action, Rugged as hell, accurate enough and most importantly, a 10 shot magazine in a 5 shot world. Will sustain a higher rate of accurate fire than any other bolt gun. End of Story. / Thread |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 10:11:16 PM EDT
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I have everything named so far.... If I had to shoot a match with them.... My K31 hands down. I only have 5 cases of GP11 left.... "If I had to shoot a match with them..." Look up the Ross rifle of WWI (Canadian) also a straight pull rifle that was a wonder on the match range, and a bust in the trenches of WWI. I'd vote Lee Enfield Mk 4 for the best battle rifle. Fast, high capacity, modular so you can fit the rifle to the soldier and maintain in the field. |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 10:31:46 PM EDT
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This thread needs K31 porn--
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Posted: 4/18/2014 10:36:20 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/18/2014 11:01:39 PM EDT
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The K31 is by far my favorite. Buttery smooth and laser beam accurate. It's just a pleasure to shoot.
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Posted: 4/18/2014 11:03:24 PM EDT
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Obviously you haven't heard of the Mosin NagantEnfield Isapore Enfield 2A. M17 |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 11:08:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This thread needs K31 porn-- http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v521/GySgtD/2fc543d4.jpg Leupold Scout scope on an S&K Insta-Mount. I didn't know Wolf made 7.5 Swiss. How does it compare to GP11? |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 11:47:36 PM EDT
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I didn't know Wolf made 7.5 Swiss. How does it compare to GP11? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This thread needs K31 porn-- http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v521/GySgtD/2fc543d4.jpg Leupold Scout scope on an S&K Insta-Mount. I didn't know Wolf made 7.5 Swiss. How does it compare to GP11? I've only fired maybe five rounds of GP11, so I couldn't tell you. All my shooting has been with Privi/ Wolf Gold stuff. It's kinda dirty, and the "match-like" accuracy that others report when using other ammo doesn't seem to be the case with it. |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 11:59:32 PM EDT
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I didn't know Wolf made 7.5 Swiss. How does it compare to GP11? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This thread needs K31 porn-- http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v521/GySgtD/2fc543d4.jpg Leupold Scout scope on an S&K Insta-Mount. I didn't know Wolf made 7.5 Swiss. How does it compare to GP11? I've fired 5 or 6 boxes of the Wolf Gold through my k31. Very, very close in the accuracy department. I was skeptical at first. Bought 2 boxes to try. Bought more. Plus you have Boxer primed brass to reload. |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 12:02:11 AM EDT
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seriously? you guys love those commie drainpipes but they are not considered to be remarkable for design or build quality anyway, you guys forgot about the Japanese bolt action they used during WWII, that gun was a real workhorse and probably has the strongest receiver of any bolt gun ever made they almost cannot be blown up, they will hold together right up to the point that the barrel is literally blown off the gun Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Obviously you haven't heard of the Mosin Nagant.
seriously? you guys love those commie drainpipes but they are not considered to be remarkable for design or build quality anyway, you guys forgot about the Japanese bolt action they used during WWII, that gun was a real workhorse and probably has the strongest receiver of any bolt gun ever made they almost cannot be blown up, they will hold together right up to the point that the barrel is literally blown off the gun Why is that a good thing? |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 12:03:27 AM EDT
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I have a K31 sitting in the safe. It's still got the tag on it from AIM. I haven't cleaned it or shot it. I dont have any ammo for it either. I suck at owning guns. 
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Posted: 4/19/2014 12:11:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why is that a good thing? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Obviously you haven't heard of the Mosin Nagant. seriously? you guys love those commie drainpipes but they are not considered to be remarkable for design or build quality anyway, you guys forgot about the Japanese bolt action they used during WWII, that gun was a real workhorse and probably has the strongest receiver of any bolt gun ever made they almost cannot be blown up, they will hold together right up to the point that the barrel is literally blown off the gun Why is that a good thing? Read into low serial numbered 1903s and you'll see why that's a good thing. |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 1:48:48 AM EDT
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What do any of you plebs know about WW2 bolt action rifles anyhow?
Hail the king. |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 5:51:48 AM EDT
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The only thing that I was disappointed with so far on the K31 I just recently got from AIM was there was no previous swiss owner tag under the buttplate Mine didn't either. If I ever sell it, I'm going to translate Hatchet's Jack's will into Swiss German with a made-up address and place it under the buttstock. " I, Hatchet Jack, being of sound mind and broke legs, do hereby leaveth my bear rifle to whatever finds it, Lord hope it be a white man. It is a good rifle, and killt the bear that killt me. Anyway, I am dead. Yours truly, Hatchet Jack." |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 6:23:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Obviously you haven't heard of the Mosin NagantEnfield K98k. |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 6:26:27 AM EDT
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What do any of you plebs know about WW2 bolt action rifles anyhow? http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7c/Jungle_Carbine.jpg Hail the king. "Hail the King" that was discontinued by the manufacturing entity due to an inherent wandering zero, as complained by soldiers in the field and the powers-that-be after testing? |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 6:29:20 AM EDT
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Obviously you haven't heard of the Mosin NagantEnfield K98k. I've heard of it, and own a Yugo capture (before re-marking them as M48 rifles). Have to break sight picture when removing the spent cartridge, and the magazine is one less and not removable on that piece of German work. Still a good rifle, but edge to the K31. |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 6:35:21 AM EDT
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I love my 3
 I was able to contact the soldier of the first one I bought.  ETA letter and pics I received...  |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 6:37:39 AM EDT
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It's a compelling argument for sure, but the K31 probably wouldn't have worked well in dirty environments.
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Posted: 4/19/2014 6:41:59 AM EDT
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K31's are tittieburgers. Had mine scoped for hunting at one point. Accuracy is amazing. Ammo still seems to be in decent supply too.
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Posted: 4/19/2014 6:46:08 AM EDT
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I love my 3
I was able to contact the soldier of the first one I bought.
ETA letter and pics I received... http://i1289.photobucket.com/albums/b519/Edisla/IMG_0948_zps961ffbf3.jpg That's awesome! |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 6:49:23 AM EDT
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1944 K31 
Nametag found in butt stock 
I contacted owner and he sent me pics of himself when he was in the Cavalry 
owner died shortly after I contacted him 
Swiss newspaper did a story about the rifle and me tracking down Karl 
Here's the first email I received after sending the letter about the rifle to the owner: Subject: I: Schmit Rubin K31 Rifle Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 10:26 AM Hello 57Strat May I introduce myself. I am Susanne Wiedmer and my parents are the neighbors of the Balsiger family. Yesterday Karl Balsiger received your letter regarding his old rifle and he is the right Mr. Balsiger. Since he does not speak English he asked me to translate. Karl is born 1924 and spent his military service in the cavalry. He spent his life in Mühlethurnen, a quiet town in Switzerland placed between Berne and Thun. He is quite sick and was in the hospital. Now he is back home to recover. He has an incurable cancer disease and will get again chemotherapy. He was very proud when he received your letter. He said that he will write down the story about the military service and the gun. I will then try to translate it. Meanwhile I wish you all the best. With Regards, Susanne Wiedmer |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 6:51:35 AM EDT
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M1 Garand>all bolt action rifles
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Posted: 4/19/2014 6:59:04 AM EDT
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Mine didn't either. If I ever sell it, I'm going to translate Hatchet's Jack's will into Swiss German with a made-up address and place it under the buttstock. " I, Hatchet Jack, being of sound mind and broke legs, do hereby leaveth my bear rifle to whatever finds it, Lord hope it be a white man. It is a good rifle, and killt the bear that killt me. Anyway, I am dead. Yours truly, Hatchet Jack." Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The only thing that I was disappointed with so far on the K31 I just recently got from AIM was there was no previous swiss owner tag under the buttplate Mine didn't either. If I ever sell it, I'm going to translate Hatchet's Jack's will into Swiss German with a made-up address and place it under the buttstock. " I, Hatchet Jack, being of sound mind and broke legs, do hereby leaveth my bear rifle to whatever finds it, Lord hope it be a white man. It is a good rifle, and killt the bear that killt me. Anyway, I am dead. Yours truly, Hatchet Jack." Must be what happened to mine. There was no tag, but there was a chunk of hide and hair locked in the action. I like to imagine that there was an epic battle. Owner expended his ammo so he started swinging' that fucker like a club. |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 7:02:54 AM EDT
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I love my 3
I was able to contact the soldier of the first one I bought.
ETA letter and pics I received... http://i1289.photobucket.com/albums/b519/Edisla/IMG_0948_zps961ffbf3.jpg Awesome! |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 7:04:06 AM EDT
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What do any of you plebs know about WW2 bolt action rifles anyhow? http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7c/Jungle_Carbine.jpg Hail the king. Wandering zero? No thanks. I'll take the No 4 (T) over that any day. |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 7:22:55 AM EDT
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Love my K31. Amazing what they were able to do with the technology of the day. Trigger is just awesome and the straight pull bolt is very fast. I had a name tag under the butt plate and tried contacting the owner, but got a letter back from someone else who said they had no idea who he was. :(
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Posted: 4/19/2014 7:28:49 AM EDT
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I've only fired maybe five rounds of GP11, so I couldn't tell you. All my shooting has been with Privi/ Wolf Gold stuff. It's kinda dirty, and the "match-like" accuracy that others report when using other ammo doesn't seem to be the case with it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This thread needs K31 porn-- http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v521/GySgtD/2fc543d4.jpg Leupold Scout scope on an S&K Insta-Mount. I didn't know Wolf made 7.5 Swiss. How does it compare to GP11? I've only fired maybe five rounds of GP11, so I couldn't tell you. All my shooting has been with Privi/ Wolf Gold stuff. It's kinda dirty, and the "match-like" accuracy that others report when using other ammo doesn't seem to be the case with it. I've also shot Wolf Gold in my K31. Accuracy isn't impressive, but it's an option if you want to preserve your supply of GP11. |
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