You ex mil guys (an current) need to remember ....supply. few normal Joe's now engaged with xyz force wont have a Hummer or Apc full of dasanis on ice ready to be sucked down between engagements....at best they may have runners or caches at certain areas....if they're lucky.
3 liters of h2o doesn't last long when your doing anything with load in high temps. Just my two cents from a typical basement dwelling red dawn lover :p

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Next time I go out on patrol, I'll PM you for advice on how to do it.

Ib4nukldragrsfu

State, local, and federal LE have been dealing with people a billion times dumber, possessing a much higher propensity and capacity for violence, no fear of going to jail, and way less to lose for years.

I've got just the thing that will slow 'em to a crawl...

.22 rifle
wheel barrow
debarked chihuahua
peanut butter

Where was this hummer full of dasani on ice when I was on patrol in A stan? Did you guys see it? I must've missed it.

Not a problem ......

Ill try and help you anyway I can.....


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they know there is no threat to them.

I concur. We are pretty much past the whole court thing. and the election thing too.

I would also suggest good health insurance and life insurance.  Make sure you get a policy that doesn't have a disclaimer for war and insurrection.  A good lawyer will also be needed.



 

Its already been set. Whatever they do now they do now will look like  "sour grapes" and the good old "oh Yeah? stand up to me will you? Watch this!
what they really need to do is watch out for the next time. but to do that they will have to be MORE asinine then they were THIS time.

The whole free speech zone thing was kicked in the nuts too.

all in all it was a good encounter for the good guys.

it would be worth the media attention to build something like this and put it up...

You know, you're absolutely correct. I was just being a smart-ass, but if you built this and made it the US Senator Harry Reid Thruway, that is a hell of a way to mock that asshole.



 

You make a valid point, actually.  Hydration has to be planned for, just like eating, personal hygiene, and a sleep schedule.  If you leave the PPE behind or decide NOT to wear it, you still have to hydrate regardless.  That goes for those on foot patrols or occupying a static position like an LP / OP.  May as well wear your body armor if you have to hydrate anyway.  Just MHO.    

Failure to administratively plan for such basic functions can be just as bad as being wounded in a gunfight.  You're no good if you're not on top of game or incapacitated (or dead) because you're now a heat casualty.  I imagine if you're in a Bundy Ranch type scenario, you're on your own-obviously without a formal chain of command where mid-level management is responsible to ensure nobody fails to drink water or makes you take a seat in some shade when they start to look like they're about to suffer heat stroke while a medic / Corpsman / EMT looks at you.

The younger and more physically fit you are, the better you can adapt to a hot / dry climate, but even young people suffer from problems associated with operating in that environment when they're doing more than just taking a stroll on a hiking path.  Carrying weapons, ammo, and water increase stress on the body.  Wrapping your torso up in kevlar and SAPI plates just makes it that much worse.  It's like wearing a 30 lb. plastic bag.  Under those circumstances, water intake is life.        

Bottled water is cheap-a magnitude cheaper than a hospital bill, or even losing your life.  In the middle of summer, I'd plan a case of water a day / person-especially if they're active and wearing body armor.  In fact, one may need even more than that, and a cooler with ice is a luxury-nice to have, but not absolutely essential.  

As an aside, from 2009 to 2011 I RSOd and OICd more live fire ranges than I can remember-all small arms.  Standing out on those ranges in the NC heat during the summer all day long-the sun reflecting off the sandy ground, wearing 60 lbs of uniform, body armor, and gear absolutely drains you.  It takes increased effort to remain mentally focused on the task at hand when it's almost 100 degrees in that still, humid air, and when you add activities like shooting, reloading, and maneuvering while wearing body armor, it is physically exhausting and somewhat mentally stressful.  It's not long before your entire uniform (and even your boots) are completely soaked with sweat, and never in the history of mankind has a cold beer ever tasted so delicious when I came home at the end of a day.  God, how I miss those days sometimes.  

One doesn't know pleasure until he knows pain

OMG....can you imagine the typhoon of TP that would most certainly spring up ?

 

Sound advice.  

Come on now brother, it's a discussion, not a dick measuring contest

Wow, that brings back some memories...different work venue but same effect.  And we did not wait 'til we got home, which was probably a bad idea.

One problem with the arid heat like desert west, is that you do not necessarily sweat, but you are losing water at a same or even greater rate due to evaporation.

Very true.  Being from out west, I much prefer our dry / hot summer climate, but you're absolutely right about the perception of not sweating.  The high desert (I believe) where Mr. Bundy's ranch is located in southern NV is deceptively hazardous.

It's a stupid discussion bordering on dangerous. The guys that geared up and went out there are fucking idiots. The one posing for the picture while pointing his rifle at the cops is lucky he didn't get shot. Hostile intent/hostile act, and all that. Now, a stupid discussion is one thing. We have them all the time. Giving delusional people just enough info to get themselves into real trouble is irresponsible. Calling out active military members and vets and telling them how to do their job makes you a target for sarcasm and criticism.

I said it a bit differently earlier, but that's about the size of it.

So me pointing out that "Joe normal " wont(or may not)  have a supply train to draw from is somehow calling vets out. LOL
If anything folks should learn from it.
s. Each person has their limits. Take away the fuel to extend those limits (aka water)  puts that person military or civilian at a high risk of failure.
Heat kills its pretty simple.  

Sorry if you felt I was calling you out.


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I didn't read it as he was telling anyone how to conduct a patrol.  He was just stating that the logistical support wouldn't exist in that kind of environment, which is most likely true.

And yes, pointing weapons at federal agents under the circumstances wasn't very bright.  Some of those "patriots" like Mr. Salmon Pants looked like they were in way over their heads.  The fact that unarmed protesters were milling around among the those that were armed like it was no big deal proves that lot was either incompetent, careless, or just plain retarded.  Probably all of the above.   Nobody was in charge of that mob.  At least the feds knew enough to walk away before someone was seriously hurt.

Harry Reid is way past due for his stroke.

I don't want the shits in the desert.

I don't know why exactly, but it bothers me that you live where you do and you don't fish.

Hope they can get it done or were screwed, the young guys are wiping down their assault rifles, loading P Mags and sending nasty e mails to their elected officials who don't really give a shit.

ah shit thought we were fo'ing to the bunny ranch,i need glasses

 

"Joe normal" can have a very different meaning from "normal Joe" and warrant a post like mine. If by normal joe you mean regular civilian, then I'll eat the .mil callout portion of my post. The rest of it still stands, however.

What if you're not really too keen about riding a horse?

Or laziness bleeding through.

I've never met a westerner who says they're from "out west."

This is the only load out the Bundy Ranch needs:

I lived in the southeast long enough to say "out west" when describing the vast, wide open spaces I lived in to people who never left the county they were born in.

(shrugs).

So getting back to the topic...how would you recommend me packing pizza rolls and Diet Dew in my rucksack and still keep them cold?

Carefully

Guess I'll just take my rolly-cooler.

1. Dry white toast
2. Four fried chickens
3. A case of Yoo Hoos

well...military or civilian(aka the "militia" in this case  )..you dont have a supply(water in this case) your outta the game, pretty simple really as i already stated earlier and others.



If your reading into it more than that well, thats all on you and no one else.



if you'd like enlighten me on how you get your h20 while on "patrol"..id be happy to listen and learn.

A cooler of beer and a video camera.

John Wayne and some sun screen......

Bro you are in the desert.... If you haven't figured out how to resupply with water.......................................................




Go Home.


Stay in the basement.

Bonus points for having the sign in English and Chinese.

 

*ahem* lawn chair.

I'm not sure you guys know what purple drink is.

Isn't that Robitussen and Sprite?