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Posted: 4/15/2014 8:03:03 PM EDT
5 cops caught in lies on witness stand, judge says
One by one, five police officers took the witness stand at the Skokie courthouse late last month for what would typically be a routine hearing on whether evidence in a drug case was properly obtained.
But in a "Perry Mason" moment rarely seen inside an actual courtroom, the inquiry took a surprising turn when the suspect's lawyer played a police video that contradicted the sworn testimony of the five officers — three from Chicago and two from Glenview, a furious judge found. Cook County Circuit Judge Catherine Haberkorn suppressed the search and arrest, leading prosecutors to quickly dismiss the felony charges. All five officers were later stripped of their police powers and put on desk duty pending internal investigations. And the state's attorney's office is looking into possible criminal violations, according to spokeswoman Sally Daly. "Obviously, this is very outrageous conduct," a transcript of the March 31 hearing quoted the judge, a former county prosecutor, as saying. "All officers lied on the stand today. ... All their testimony was a lie. So there's strong evidence it was conspiracy to lie in this case, for everyone to come up with the same lie. ... Many, many, many, many times they all lied." But Pat Camden, spokesman for the Fraternal Order of Police, the union representing rank-and-file officers, said the overwhelming majority of officers are truthful.
"Obviously perjury isn't something that is condoned by the FOP or anybody in the Police Department," Camden said. "These are allegations, and an investigation is taking place." 
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2014-04-15/news/ct-police-testimony-lies-met-20140415_1_police-officers-five-officers-chicago-police |
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Posted: 4/15/2014 8:04:33 PM EDT
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How about some fucking perjury charges, to start?
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Posted: 4/15/2014 8:06:08 PM EDT
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Somebody will defend that shit. Sickens me.
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Posted: 4/15/2014 8:06:14 PM EDT
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I'll bet the video was edited, so context was missing.
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Posted: 4/15/2014 8:07:05 PM EDT
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Did he mean obviously in the sense that they don't openly coach it?
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Posted: 4/15/2014 8:07:31 PM EDT
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Needs independant investigation Not internal.
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Posted: 4/15/2014 8:07:58 PM EDT
[#6]
ALLEGATIONS MY ASS
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Posted: 4/15/2014 8:08:35 PM EDT
[#7]
Fuckem.
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Posted: 4/15/2014 8:08:43 PM EDT
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At least they got home safe.
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Posted: 4/15/2014 8:08:59 PM EDT
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We don't have all the facts.
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Posted: 4/15/2014 8:10:02 PM EDT
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All five are veteran officers. Glenview Officer Jim Horn declined to comment Monday, while the other four — Sgt. James Padar and Officers Vince Morgan and William Pruente, all assigned to narcotics for Chicago police, and Glenview Sgt. Theresa Urbanowski — could not be reached for comment. "Police officers are just like anybody — just because they're wearing a badge and carrying a gun does not give them more credibility," said Cook County Public Defender Abishi Cunningham Jr., a former Chicago prosecutor, defense attorney and judge. http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2014-04-15/news/ct-police-testimony-lies-met-20140415_1_police-officers-five-officers-chicago-police Side note: I don't want anyone to think that these posts about corruption are meant to impugn the character of any of the LEO that post here, that is not my intention, honestly. There are always rotten apples in any profession. |
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Posted: 4/15/2014 8:11:50 PM EDT
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Officer safety.
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Posted: 4/15/2014 8:11:51 PM EDT
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We need to win the War on Drugs by any means necessary.
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Posted: 4/15/2014 8:12:07 PM EDT
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Must have misunderstood when they were told its OK to lie to people.
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Posted: 4/15/2014 8:12:52 PM EDT
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If the officers acted in good faith while they were helping expedite justice, then it's all good. At least they are going home safe from their tours of duty every night.
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Posted: 4/15/2014 8:14:17 PM EDT
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Somebody will defend that shit. Sickens me. You're overly optimistic. Half a dozen will defend it. |
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Posted: 4/15/2014 8:14:38 PM EDT
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All five are veteran officers. Glenview Officer Jim Horn declined to comment Monday, while the other four — Sgt. James Padar and Officers Vince Morgan and William Pruente, all assigned to narcotics for Chicago police, and Glenview Sgt. Theresa Urbanowski — could not be reached for comment. Urbanowski. Sounds like beat down in the polish hood. |
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Posted: 4/15/2014 8:15:45 PM EDT
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I don't get it. Did they tell him he was under arrest for possession?
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Posted: 4/15/2014 8:15:47 PM EDT
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Fuckem. This^ |
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Posted: 4/15/2014 8:16:13 PM EDT
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Oh dear.... desk duty.
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Posted: 4/15/2014 8:16:48 PM EDT
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But in a "Perry Mason" moment rarely seen inside an actual courtroom, the inquiry took a surprising turn when[span style='font-weight: bold;'] the suspect's lawyer played a police video that contradicted the sworn testimony of the five officers — three from Chicago and two from Glenview, a furious judge found. Depends on the courtroom. 
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Side note: I don't want anyone to think that these posts about corruption are meant to impugn the character of any of the LEO that post here, that is not my intention, honestly. There are always rotten apples in any profession. 
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Posted: 4/15/2014 8:18:35 PM EDT
[#21]
Look at that. 5 isolated incidents in one incident.
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Posted: 4/15/2014 8:20:58 PM EDT
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"Obviously getting caught comitting perjury isn't something that is condoned by the FOP or anybody in the Police Department," Camden said. "These are allegations, and an investigation is taking place. We will make sure our officers are fully trained to avoid getting caught in the future." Fixed. |
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Posted: 4/15/2014 8:21:37 PM EDT
[#23]
Fuck those cops.
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Posted: 4/15/2014 8:22:54 PM EDT
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"Obviously getting caught comitting perjury isn't something that is condoned by the FOP or anybody in the Police Department," Camden said. "These are allegations, and an investigation is taking place. We will make sure our officers are fully trained to avoid getting caught in the future." Fixed. The first rule of testilying is don't get caught testilying. |
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Posted: 4/15/2014 8:23:34 PM EDT
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"Obviously getting caught comitting perjury isn't something that is condoned by the FOP or anybody in the Police Department," Camden said. "These are allegations, and an investigation is taking place. We will make sure our officers are fully trained to avoid getting caught in the future." Fixed. I laughed. |
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Posted: 4/15/2014 8:25:39 PM EDT
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Look at that. 5 isolated incidents in one incident. We just don't understand how it's supposed to work and we certainly don't have all the information. Does this mean that all of their previous testimony is now going to have to be tossed? Because if I were in jail (guilty or not) because of their testimony, I would be contacting an attorney ASAP. |
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Posted: 4/15/2014 8:26:02 PM EDT
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Shit-cago, go figure
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Posted: 4/15/2014 8:28:14 PM EDT
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If the officers acted in good faith while they were helping expedite justice, then it's all good. At least they are going home safe from their tours of duty every night. Who's fucking justice, theirs? Bullshit, the law is the fucking law. Who's definition of good faith, theirs? Obama and Holder are "governing" according to their "good faith" in order to expedite their idea of "justice." I don't normally print (but sometimes do think) this statement on GD, but for you to say this defines you as an idiot. I uphold and will continue to defend your right to say it, but I also defend and uphold my right to say what I think of your opinion. |
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Posted: 4/15/2014 8:30:17 PM EDT
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Who's fucking justice, theirs? Bullshit, the law is the fucking law. Who's definition of good faith, theirs? Obama and Holder are "governing" according to their "good faith" in order to expedite their idea of "justice." I don't normally print (but sometimes do think) this statement on GD, but for you to say this defines you as an idiot. I uphold and will continue to defend your right to say it, but I also defend and uphold my right to say what I think of your opinion. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If the officers acted in good faith while they were helping expedite justice, then it's all good. At least they are going home safe from their tours of duty every night. Who's fucking justice, theirs? Bullshit, the law is the fucking law. Who's definition of good faith, theirs? Obama and Holder are "governing" according to their "good faith" in order to expedite their idea of "justice." I don't normally print (but sometimes do think) this statement on GD, but for you to say this defines you as an idiot. I uphold and will continue to defend your right to say it, but I also defend and uphold my right to say what I think of your opinion. Please check your sarcasm meter and check back with us. |
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Posted: 4/15/2014 8:30:27 PM EDT
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Who's fucking justice, theirs? Bullshit, the law is the fucking law. Who's definition of good faith, theirs? Obama and Holder are "governing" according to their "good faith" in order to expedite their idea of "justice." I don't normally print (but sometimes do think) this statement on GD, but for you to say this defines you as an idiot. I uphold and will continue to defend your right to say it, but I also defend and uphold my right to say what I think of your opinion. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If the officers acted in good faith while they were helping expedite justice, then it's all good. At least they are going home safe from their tours of duty every night. Who's fucking justice, theirs? Bullshit, the law is the fucking law. Who's definition of good faith, theirs? Obama and Holder are "governing" according to their "good faith" in order to expedite their idea of "justice." I don't normally print (but sometimes do think) this statement on GD, but for you to say this defines you as an idiot. I uphold and will continue to defend your right to say it, but I also defend and uphold my right to say what I think of your opinion. WOOOOOOOOOOSSSSSSSSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHHHH |
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Posted: 4/15/2014 8:32:15 PM EDT
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That's the Chicago way!
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Posted: 4/15/2014 8:32:32 PM EDT
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We have to wait until all the investigations are complete and full context is known. Unless you are a Chicago Cop, you aren't informed enough or smart enough to understand the situation. We must trust the the Cops will receive quality representation through their union, and appropriate punishment will be delivered if they are guilty. Now... move along. It's being taken care of.
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Posted: 4/15/2014 8:32:42 PM EDT
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If the officers acted in good faith while they were helping expedite justice, then it's all good. At least they are going home safe from their tours of duty every night.
and they were keeping people they had clearly identified as 'bad guys' away from the general public. |
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Posted: 4/15/2014 8:34:45 PM EDT
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This country is coming apart. Cops lied in my day and it's worse now. When those with the guns have no honor, resistance becomes duty.
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Posted: 4/15/2014 8:35:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How about some fucking perjury charges, to start? This
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Posted: 4/15/2014 8:36:26 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/15/2014 8:36:41 PM EDT
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Please check your sarcasm meter and check back with us. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If the officers acted in good faith while they were helping expedite justice, then it's all good. At least they are going home safe from their tours of duty every night. Who's fucking justice, theirs? Bullshit, the law is the fucking law. Who's definition of good faith, theirs? Obama and Holder are "governing" according to their "good faith" in order to expedite their idea of "justice." I don't normally print (but sometimes do think) this statement on GD, but for you to say this defines you as an idiot. I uphold and will continue to defend your right to say it, but I also defend and uphold my right to say what I think of your opinion. Please check your sarcasm meter and check back with us. Sarcasm meter checked and still in working order. Pegged at zero. Your point? I think mine's clear enough. Not trying to start shit, but EVERYONE has their own unique idea of what is right (in their minds), but lying on the stand is wrong. Period. |
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Posted: 4/15/2014 8:37:09 PM EDT
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I have a rope, and it longs to touch those who deserve it's embrace around their neck.
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Posted: 4/15/2014 8:37:31 PM EDT
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Conspiracy is a felony. Repaying their pensions to the public they betrayed should follow any felony conviction.
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Posted: 4/15/2014 8:37:39 PM EDT
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5 cops caught in lies on witness stand, judge says One by one, five police officers took the witness stand at the Skokie courthouse late last month for what would typically be a routine hearing on whether evidence in a drug case was properly obtained.
But in a "Perry Mason" moment rarely seen inside an actual courtroom, the inquiry took a surprising turn when the suspect's lawyer played a police video that contradicted the sworn testimony of the five officers — three from Chicago and two from Glenview, a furious judge found. Cook County Circuit Judge Catherine Haberkorn suppressed the search and arrest, leading prosecutors to quickly dismiss the felony charges. All five officers were later stripped of their police powers and put on desk duty pending internal investigations. And the state's attorney's office is looking into possible criminal violations, according to spokeswoman Sally Daly. "Obviously, this is very outrageous conduct," a transcript of the March 31 hearing quoted the judge, a former county prosecutor, as saying. "All officers lied on the stand today. ... All their testimony was a lie. So there's strong evidence it was conspiracy to lie in this case, for everyone to come up with the same lie. ... Many, many, many, many times they all lied." But Pat Camden, spokesman for the Fraternal Order of Police, the union representing rank-and-file officers, said the overwhelming majority of officers are truthful.
"Obviously perjury isn't something that is condoned by the FOP or anybody in the Police Department," Camden said. "These are allegations, and an investigation is taking place."
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2014-04-15/news/ct-police-testimony-lies-met-20140415_1_police-officers-five-officers-chicago-police Come on now, we dont know for sure it was those cops they need to be investigated so we can actually prove it was those officers on tape. |
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Posted: 4/15/2014 8:38:02 PM EDT
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We have to wait until all the investigations are complete and full context is known. Unless you are a Chicago Cop, you aren't informed enough or smart enough to understand the situation. We must trust the the Cops will receive quality representation through their union, and appropriate punishment will be delivered if they are guilty. Now... move along. It's being taken care of. Agree. If after a thorough, objective, and transparent investigation they are all found to have intentionally perjured themselves, the department will severely reprimand them by giving each one two months of paid vacation before they are back on the street. Make way - Brady Cops coming through! |
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Posted: 4/15/2014 8:40:32 PM EDT
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Repaying their pensions to the public they betrayed should follow any felony conviction. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Repaying their pensions to the public they betrayed should follow any felony conviction. Repay their pensions? They're still working and haven't collected them yet. All five officers were later stripped of their police powers and put on desk duty pending internal investigations |
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Posted: 4/15/2014 8:43:12 PM EDT
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5 cops caught in lies on witness stand, judge says One by one, five police officers took the witness stand at the Skokie courthouse late last month for what would typically be a routine hearing on whether evidence in a drug case was properly obtained.
But in a "Perry Mason" moment rarely seen inside an actual courtroom, the inquiry took a surprising turn when the suspect's lawyer played a police video that contradicted the sworn testimony of the five officers — three from Chicago and two from Glenview, a furious judge found. Cook County Circuit Judge Catherine Haberkorn suppressed the search and arrest, leading prosecutors to quickly dismiss the felony charges. All five officers were later stripped of their police powers and put on desk duty pending internal investigations. And the state's attorney's office is looking into possible criminal violations, according to spokeswoman Sally Daly. "Obviously, this is very outrageous conduct," a transcript of the March 31 hearing quoted the judge, a former county prosecutor, as saying. "All officers lied on the stand today. ... All their testimony was a lie. So there's strong evidence it was conspiracy to lie in this case, for everyone to come up with the same lie. ... Many, many, many, many times they all lied." But Pat Camden, spokesman for the Fraternal Order of Police, the union representing rank-and-file officers, said the overwhelming majority of officers are truthful.
"Obviously perjury isn't something that is condoned by the FOP or anybody in the Police Department," Camden said. "These are allegations, and an investigation is taking place."
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2014-04-15/news/ct-police-testimony-lies-met-20140415_1_police-officers-five-officers-chicago-police Cops lie? Color me suprised. 
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Posted: 4/15/2014 8:55:23 PM EDT
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Sarcasm meter checked and still in working order. Pegged at zero. Your point? I think mine's clear enough. Not trying to start shit, but EVERYONE has their own unique idea of what is right (in their minds), but lying on the stand is wrong. Period. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If the officers acted in good faith while they were helping expedite justice, then it's all good. At least they are going home safe from their tours of duty every night. Who's fucking justice, theirs? Bullshit, the law is the fucking law. Who's definition of good faith, theirs? Obama and Holder are "governing" according to their "good faith" in order to expedite their idea of "justice." I don't normally print (but sometimes do think) this statement on GD, but for you to say this defines you as an idiot. I uphold and will continue to defend your right to say it, but I also defend and uphold my right to say what I think of your opinion. Please check your sarcasm meter and check back with us. Sarcasm meter checked and still in working order. Pegged at zero. Your point? I think mine's clear enough. Not trying to start shit, but EVERYONE has their own unique idea of what is right (in their minds), but lying on the stand is wrong. Period. You better send your Sarcasm meter in for recalibration, it's definitely on the Fritz........ 
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Posted: 4/15/2014 8:57:31 PM EDT
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Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
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Posted: 4/15/2014 8:59:58 PM EDT
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Well damn. I wonder if this will hurt a lot of prior trials?
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Posted: 4/15/2014 9:05:31 PM EDT
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You better send your Sarcasm meter in for recalibration, it's definitely on the Fritz........ Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If the officers acted in good faith while they were helping expedite justice, then it's all good. At least they are going home safe from their tours of duty every night. Who's fucking justice, theirs? Bullshit, the law is the fucking law. Who's definition of good faith, theirs? Obama and Holder are "governing" according to their "good faith" in order to expedite their idea of "justice." I don't normally print (but sometimes do think) this statement on GD, but for you to say this defines you as an idiot. I uphold and will continue to defend your right to say it, but I also defend and uphold my right to say what I think of your opinion. Please check your sarcasm meter and check back with us. Sarcasm meter checked and still in working order. Pegged at zero. Your point? I think mine's clear enough. Not trying to start shit, but EVERYONE has their own unique idea of what is right (in their minds), but lying on the stand is wrong. Period. You better send your Sarcasm meter in for recalibration, it's definitely on the Fritz........ Learn the meaning of sarcasm, fellas. I'm not being sarcastic, I'm serious as hell. Read it again: who's version of justice, the cops and who's definition of good faith, the cops? Lying in court of law (and our governing bodies) to advance one's own agenda(s) has put this country in trouble. I'll pull back on the "idiot" comment to M-60, everyone's entitled to their opinion, but I feel that particular opinion leads to VERY bad outcomes, especially in court and other lawmaking bodies (reference Obama and Holder again, as well as Congress). |
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Posted: 4/15/2014 9:07:49 PM EDT
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This is nothing new. One lied on the stand when I was in court under a threat of felony charges in a shooting. No charges were brought, thanks to the statements of the people wanting to have me charged. The cop is a tier one douche bag, and I would love to kick his ass right now. If I could get him to the local boxing gym, I would smash his face in. POS
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Posted: 4/15/2014 9:12:47 PM EDT
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"Oh dear.... desk duty."
Have you ever experienced a paper cut? Have you? Unless you have been on desk duty you haven't a clue what you are talking about. Empty that wastebasket! |
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Posted: 4/15/2014 9:26:55 PM EDT
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How about some fucking perjury charges, to start? How about a law stating that a public official who lies on the witness stand gets 5 years minimum in general population and a $250K fine... Taking away people's liberty over a fucking lie should be dealt with harshly. |
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