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Posted: 4/15/2014 12:47:46 PM EDT

Lots of snack bars, as usual. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRT3Z_AHxZQ

Posted: 4/15/2014 12:48:40 PM EDT

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No kevlar blanket....

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eta: at least we didnt give em the thermal sight.

Posted: 4/15/2014 12:49:25 PM EDT

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jeez i get it your hungry how many times must one go to the snackbar

Posted: 4/15/2014 12:49:49 PM EDT

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Gun show loophole.

Posted: 4/15/2014 12:52:12 PM EDT

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Lots of snack bars, as usual. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRT3Z_AHxZQ

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Is that what we supplied hajji?

Posted: 4/15/2014 12:52:27 PM EDT

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and lying on every street corner of anytown, usa, for the kids to find and pick up

Posted: 4/15/2014 12:54:26 PM EDT

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This is fucked.

Posted: 4/15/2014 12:55:19 PM EDT

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Obama is supplying them with some cool stuff

Posted: 4/15/2014 12:58:12 PM EDT

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and who is training them?

Posted: 4/15/2014 1:01:49 PM EDT

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so if I want to blow the crap out of things I have to move to a third world oppressive govenrment shithole so MY government can give me free toys, but living here I dont get to play with them???
WTF]

Posted: 4/15/2014 1:02:36 PM EDT

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Yeah, so there's 0% chance those are Iranian

Posted: 4/15/2014 1:03:33 PM EDT

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its ok, he also sent some MRE's to the Ukraine to help them fight off the Russians.

Posted: 4/15/2014 1:05:05 PM EDT

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Seeing as how we are paying people to dismantle them anyway...might as well shoot the old ones at something.

Posted: 4/15/2014 1:06:07 PM EDT

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Your tax dollars at work.

Posted: 4/15/2014 1:07:23 PM EDT

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Iran makes a carbon copy,which has been supplied to Syria

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Posted: 4/15/2014 1:11:21 PM EDT

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There's another way to get to play with them, and you don't even need to move to a shithole country

Posted: 4/15/2014 1:37:02 PM EDT

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Benghazi loophole

Posted: 4/15/2014 1:40:19 PM EDT

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Posted: 4/15/2014 1:47:46 PM EDT

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Benghazi loophole

Wasn't there some rumor going around that. Benghazi had some sort or weapons deal going on, and it speculated that it was aa type stuff.

I guess they got some of these also.

Posted: 4/15/2014 1:48:40 PM EDT

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Which they learned how to make from the ones RR gave them.

Posted: 4/15/2014 1:48:43 PM EDT

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Wonder who is going to do maintenance on that op sight once they beat the crap out of it...

Posted: 4/15/2014 1:51:51 PM EDT

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By the looks of it, nobody

Posted: 4/15/2014 1:52:29 PM EDT

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Iran makes TOWs, there have been captured Iranian TOWs complete with US markings on them.

Posted: 4/15/2014 1:53:41 PM EDT

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Which they learned how to make from the ones RR gave them.

Iran was a US client state well before Regan and acquired TOWs along with other 60s and 70s technology weapons

Posted: 4/15/2014 1:54:47 PM EDT

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Good to know.

Posted: 4/15/2014 1:56:58 PM EDT

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Who said that shooter needed in the field training? He may have been trained before he or those TOWs went to Syria. I think the shooter looks like an awfully clean cut FSA. A lot more western than a typical Syrian or mujahidin fighter. I wonder if he's somebody's SF-type sent to "advise" the FSA about using TOWs.

Posted: 4/15/2014 1:58:46 PM EDT

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Toophan, Persian knock-off.

Posted: 4/15/2014 1:59:00 PM EDT

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I've never served, so correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it considered bad form to

set one of those up exposed in the middle of the field?

Posted: 4/15/2014 2:01:57 PM EDT

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Which they learned how to make from the ones RR gave them.

The Iranians had TOWs long before Reagan was elected. They were sold them to go along with their AH-1 Cobras back during Nixon's first term. They were making copies before Reagan was inaugurated.

Posted: 4/15/2014 2:02:18 PM EDT

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Allah willed it. Perfectly tactically sound.

Posted: 4/15/2014 2:03:58 PM EDT

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they may be betting on no threats with eyes on them, or any weapons capable to reach them. They seemed quite a ways from their tgt.

Posted: 4/15/2014 2:08:26 PM EDT

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I'd scatter copper EFPs all over FSA held areas.

Posted: 4/15/2014 2:11:18 PM EDT

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I wonder if FBHO will give me a couple to take care of the deer that eat my garden every year.

Posted: 4/15/2014 2:19:48 PM EDT

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http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Middle-East/2014/Apr-15/253421-syria-rebels-get-us-made-missiles-source.ashx#axzz2yzPZoc31

Posted: 4/15/2014 2:47:51 PM EDT

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To be honest, I don't understand supplying them with that kind of system, it's overkill versus what they're going up against.

The Metis and SPG-9's are already doing a number on the T-72's over there.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a7c_1382983531

Snackbar level through the roof, the one tank crew member is almost run over by his own tank after getting out of it, and then the ammo goes off soon after.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6RC-GZuhiI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2wImk5LhL8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wijIkLpRr3U

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5IBtiYXN7E

Small RPG hit, warning graphic, crew is shot as they leave tank. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XThu_55ioxU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lb-Ec-o7nKk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02xCPsyWE2I

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMRBIxMHTSU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgwsgbsIPFQ

They don't need our TOW systems.

Posted: 4/15/2014 2:55:09 PM EDT

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We are.

eta: The commenter annieladysmith doesn't really hold back does she?

Posted: 4/15/2014 3:08:03 PM EDT

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Holders fault

Posted: 4/15/2014 3:13:32 PM EDT

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Why? Conflicts like the one in Syria are great for field-testing equipment. Now if they could actually hit a tank with one, we might learn something.

Posted: 4/15/2014 3:38:28 PM EDT

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Now if they could actually hit a tank with one, we might learn something.

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Wish granted.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9typqg4fzIE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MybD-gkBjcg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EofYpvyQlTk

Above two videos sounds like TOW, smokeless all the way and fast to the target.

But we've tested TOW long before, we know it works already.

See below.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlGrrKRNqRQ

Posted: 4/15/2014 3:39:53 PM EDT

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I bet they are already doing that

Posted: 4/15/2014 4:39:31 PM EDT

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Posted: 4/15/2014 4:54:31 PM EDT

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So basically, they're guessing they're from the US.
Which is crap. Those are Iranian

Posted: 4/15/2014 5:42:02 PM EDT

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double tap

Posted: 4/15/2014 5:43:41 PM EDT

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Or they could be from Saudi Arabia a few souces seem to be pointing to them as the supplier.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/04/15/us-syria-crisis-arms-usa-idUSBREA3E0RZ20140415

It was not possible to independently verify the authenticity of the videos or the supplier of the BGM-71 TOW anti-tank rockets shown in the videos. Some analysts suggested they might have been provided by another state such as Saudi Arabia, a U.S. ally, probably with Washington's acquiescence.

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Lister said that if Washington were unwilling to supply TOW rockets itself, the most likely point of origin was Saudi Arabia which has thousands of anti-tank projectiles in its arsenal.

Under terms of the original sale, Riyadh would be obliged to tell Washington if it were transferring them to any third party.

"Considering the groups already seen with these missile systems and considering Saudis' already established reputation for providing weapons to moderate... groups, Saudi would seem the most likely candidate at this stage," Lister said.

The other major regional supporter of the rebels, Qatar, apparently do not hold such rockets in its regular military stores, analysts say, and may have bought Chinese weaponry from elsewhere, perhaps Sudan, for shipment to rebels last year.

Chinese-built HJ-8 anti-tank guided missiles remain a relatively common part of the rebel arsenal, according to Syria arms experts. HJ-8s first popped up largely in the hands of Islamist groups early last year, possibly coming from Qatar.

More recent shipments have been noticed in the hands of relatively secular insurgent factions and are believed by analysts to have been supplied by Saudi Arabia instead.

RUSSIAN ROCKETS, IRANIAN DRONES

Use of Chinese MANPAD anti-aircraft missiles by Islamist militants has dwindled in recent months, monitors say. Such missiles arrived last year, again believed to have come from Qatar, a development that particularly worried Western states.

"I suspect there's been two waves of Chinese weapons, the first from Qatar and the second from Saudi Arabia going to different groups," said "Brown Moses" blogger Higgins.

The United States and other Gulf Arab states have bemoaned Qatar's scattergun approach to arming rebel forces that has seen many weapons end up in the hands of fighters affiliated with al Qaeda linked and other radical Islamists. Qatari and Saudi officials will not discuss their Syria policy in detail.

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It's a mess, like Mad Max beyond Thunderdome, but with tanks....

Posted: 4/15/2014 6:03:28 PM EDT

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So, we, or the Iranians, or the Qatarians, or Chinese, or who the fuck ever, are making it possible for AQ assholes and Syrian Army assholes to kill each other even faster and with higher efficiency?

And we get awesome videos out of the deal?

I mean leakage of some of these weapons out into the wider world is probably bad, but frankly there's nothing stopping the original suppliers (Iranians or Chinese) from doing that anyway, and the Syrian civil war has been going on for three years now without an American shopping mall getting TOW'd, so I'm not really seeing a downside to the whole "let them kill them all and have God sort it out" approach.

Posted: 4/15/2014 6:26:38 PM EDT

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Qatar has supplied a bunch of Chinese HJ-8s,loads of clips of em popping turrets of T-72s. Best chance these are Iranian Toophans.

Real TOWs COULD be Qatari or KSA old stock but I believe the US would need to approve that and so far has resisted supplying FSA with weapons. Training in Jordan yes however

As for training , many of these guys were conscripts at one point or even professionals who deserted . It's not like shooting an ATGM is the same as flying a fighter...most could rtfm and figure it out,especially with help

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Posted: 4/15/2014 10:34:24 PM EDT

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Those vids make serving in a tank look a whole lot less glamorous than it used to look.

Posted: 4/15/2014 10:43:56 PM EDT

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A tank can kill everything on the battlefield, but everything on the battlefield can kill a tank.

Posted: 4/15/2014 10:52:00 PM EDT

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What is that spinning-up noise just before the weapon fires?

ETA: found it.

A squib fires to discharge a N2 resevoir that spins up the gyro.

The TOW 2 manual is on scribd.

Have I mentioned lately that I had a genuine practice Redeye missile in my basement when I was a kid? 100% true.

Posted: 4/15/2014 11:19:07 PM EDT

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CIA. They post training videos on the internet. The ones when they do inside are interesting to say the least if you pay more attention to the building than the guys in the video.