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Posted: 4/14/2014 6:49:28 AM EDT
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Do you have insurance? Do you hope to never need your insurance? Will you be glad to have it if the worst should happen? ETA: I don't own plates, but I don't think it's a bad idea either. |
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Posted: 4/14/2014 6:50:48 AM EDT
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You better get outside and train with your PC with full load; in a rifle class, a hike or a run. If you have all this stuff but haven't trained in it you are kidding yourself. I can't explain how important the above is; wearing armor changes EVERYTHING, including how you shoot your pistol and shoulder your rifle. Clamp yourself in between a set of plates and watch your muscle memory get destroyed. And there's no greater indication that someone doesn't do the above than owning a set of AR500 plates; go spend several 12+ hour days on your feet being physically active in your gear, and you'll dump everything you absolutely don't need and sell your asshole on a street corner to get the lightest set of ceramic plates you can get. a PC you don't train in is worse than useless. |
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Posted: 4/14/2014 6:51:49 AM EDT
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I use them when I work security at the second largest mall in America. Ive been thinking about upgrading to something heavier lately, though  Tape two Level IVs together for your back, just in case they take the target of opportunity and decide to unload on you when you least expect it 
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Posted: 4/14/2014 6:54:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Some shoot house courses require them. Because I'd like to take a shoothouse course at some point it seemed prudent to invest in plates. I live in an area subject to hurricanes. If Katrina 2.0 visited my area and bands of dazzling young hooligans decided my sub-division looked tempting post-storm, I'd rather have a set of plates between them and me. If an active shooter scenario unfolded near my home, I'd rather have a set of plates between them and me while my family posted up somewhere safe. I have no illusions of suddenly going all GI Joe. But there are some scenarios that I feel a set of plates could be handy for a middle aged doughy civilian type. Thanks to who posted the targetman site, looks like some good options there.
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Posted: 4/14/2014 7:05:06 AM EDT
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our local sheriff department recommended them What SO and in what context? I can't imagine you're in Pinellas, that's for sure! 
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Posted: 4/14/2014 7:07:08 AM EDT
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Guess I won't shoot my rifle without em on anymore.
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Posted: 4/14/2014 7:10:43 AM EDT
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I don't have any, but I know why other people do.
It is because some bad guys have rifles. |
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Posted: 4/14/2014 7:11:32 AM EDT
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OP, I can always take the plates out of my carrier if I need to go faster. Zip-tying plates to a chest rig if people are shooting at me is a hell of a lot harder.
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Posted: 4/14/2014 7:31:20 AM EDT
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I can't explain how important the above is; wearing armor changes EVERYTHING, including how you shoot your pistol and shoulder your rifle. Clamp yourself in between a set of plates and watch your muscle memory get destroyed. And there's no greater indication that someone doesn't do the above than owning a set of AR500 plates; go spend several 12+ hour days on your feet being physically active in your gear, and you'll dump everything you absolutely don't need and sell your asshole on a street corner to get the lightest set of ceramic plates you can get. a PC you don't train in is worse than useless. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You better get outside and train with your PC with full load; in a rifle class, a hike or a run. If you have all this stuff but haven't trained in it you are kidding yourself. I can't explain how important the above is; wearing armor changes EVERYTHING, including how you shoot your pistol and shoulder your rifle. Clamp yourself in between a set of plates and watch your muscle memory get destroyed. And there's no greater indication that someone doesn't do the above than owning a set of AR500 plates; go spend several 12+ hour days on your feet being physically active in your gear, and you'll dump everything you absolutely don't need and sell your asshole on a street corner to get the lightest set of ceramic plates you can get. a PC you don't train in is worse than useless. Yeah, that's my feeling about this. People who buy AR500 are either cheap or have never worn a vest for 8-16 hours+ I mean I only wear IIIa for work and it gets heavy toward the end of the day, it's movement restricting.. Changes my handgun draw, mag changes and slightly changes shooting stance, and especially with a carbine feels a lot different shouldering it to me. And my biggest issue with AR500 is spalling, dont give a shit what coating you have, you will eventually catch frag. |
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Posted: 4/14/2014 7:43:19 AM EDT
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My .02 cents on plate carriers: For military (and some police) applications they are great pieces of gear; compact, space efficient with just the ballistic protection you need for your upper body vital area. For this category they are probably one of the best evolutions of gear we have yet seen for the warfighter. Like all Marines in Afghanistan I was issued and used the Eagle SPC. The one problem we faced is that when you load up your plate carrier with front, back, and side SAPI plates, magazines, water, radio, grenades and whatever else you are carrying too much weight to chase after anybody for any long period of time. For civilian in CONUS SHTF scenarios I have a lot of mixed feelings for the plate carrier. Per the many pic threads of plate carriers most people opt to mount all their pouches on them directly which is great for overt military type applications but that is far from a civilian SHTF requirement where it may pay to be anonymous. Too many here think GI Joe for SHTF when they should be thinking Viet Cong. So from reading the thread: Person owns a PC just because....Your money your choice. People have spent far greater money on worse things Person owns a PC for range use in case of AD/NDs: This is a good one. The PC covers just your upper chest vital areas especially if you don't use the side SAPI plates and at almost zero degrees of obliquity (straight at you). Unless you have all areas covered like your head, throat, neck, and femoral, you can take a shot and die just the same. What may help mitigate risk more at your local public range is the following: *Observe and yell at the person next to you as necessary, "WATCH YOUR MUZZLE!!!" *Go when its less busy *Don't go to the public range Person owns a PC for in CONUS SHTF: *If you plan on going into the offense then yes a PC will be essential but so is a helmet too. If you own a PC but no Helmet you only have half the equation. *In a worst case SHTF situation you may not have access to medical facilities. You can still get injured if shot with a PC, it is not a force field. Even if you get a superficial GSW without medical attention you may still die from infection anyways. *If you own a PC for SHTF I suggest you leave it slick and wear another rig over it so you can always ditch the PC to reconfigure your load as your mission dictates. As I said in the opening you may want to be discrete and not stick out looking like a DEVGRU assaulter. *You better get outside and train with your PC with full load; in a rifle class, a hike or a run. If you have all this stuff but haven't trained in it you are kidding yourself. *What will probably save you more so than armor is sound and smart tactics: moving out at night, camouflage (blending in with other people), immediate action drills, and avoiding all contact. <a href="http://s301.photobucket.com/user/Lance1775/media/PA251887.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn77/Lance1775/PA251887.jpg</a> My USMC issued Eagle SPC, Marjeh, AFG 2010. For in CONUS SHTF I would NOT go this way. Off topic but what kind of radio is that? Looks sexy! |
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Posted: 4/14/2014 7:45:02 AM EDT
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I have worn my heavy ass plates out in the desert while shooting, moving, retrieving targets etc all day. It does alter/slow movement but it is not impossible.
Also I throw them on while reloading to get use to weight. Haha 
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Posted: 4/14/2014 8:01:43 AM EDT
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Shits heavy bro
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Posted: 4/14/2014 8:11:43 AM EDT
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Shits heavy bro No shit, In a bug out or shtf scenario I am already going to be carrying a rifle, ammo, water, food and supplies. Not to mention have my family in tow. Anyone who has ever hiked a distance with gear will know weight sucks. Besides I would much rather be carrying water. |
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Posted: 4/14/2014 8:57:33 AM EDT
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Serious question, help me understand. As a civilian (non-mil, non-leo), why do you own plates? I have my rifle, chest rig, and mag pouches, but no plates. My thinking is, just about anything the .gov has, that is bigger than handgun caliber, is made to go through body armor anyways. Plates would just slow me down. Poll inbound Multiple rounds of 308 in the back will slow you down even more. |
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Posted: 4/14/2014 8:58:23 AM EDT
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It's well known that I fancy the fetal position as far away from any gun ickiness as I can get.
However, since I am rather terrified of people sending bullets my way, plates allow me some measure of protection from at least one specific threat and vector. That said, I really only bought them in case I take a class that requires or recommends them. I'm not much of a believer in "SHTF". |
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Posted: 4/14/2014 8:59:42 AM EDT
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No shit, In a bug out or shtf scenario I am already going to be carrying a rifle, ammo, water, food and supplies. Not to mention have my family in tow. Anyone who has ever hiked a distance with gear will know weight sucks. Besides I would much rather be carrying water. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Shits heavy bro No shit, In a bug out or shtf scenario I am already going to be carrying a rifle, ammo, water, food and supplies. Not to mention have my family in tow. Anyone who has ever hiked a distance with gear will know weight sucks. Besides I would much rather be carrying water. Again, it's hell of a lot easier to ditch a set of rifle plates than it is to miracle a set if you do need them.
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Posted: 4/14/2014 9:09:45 AM EDT
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Didn't pay attention to the Ukraine situation huh?
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Posted: 4/14/2014 9:24:41 AM EDT
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5.56 in your chest slows you down more than plates. 
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Posted: 4/14/2014 9:26:14 AM EDT
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No shit, In a bug out or shtf scenario I am already going to be carrying a rifle, ammo, water, food and supplies. Not to mention have my family in tow. Anyone who has ever hiked a distance with gear will know weight sucks. Besides I would much rather be carrying water. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Shits heavy bro No shit, In a bug out or shtf scenario I am already going to be carrying a rifle, ammo, water, food and supplies. Not to mention have my family in tow. Anyone who has ever hiked a distance with gear will know weight sucks. Besides I would much rather be carrying water. I'm not sure if you're using this very unlikely scenario to justify not having them, or whether you're lobbying for ceramic plates over steel? For every bug out example I could give a dozen where the weight would be worth it. I like having options, and believe I am more likely to wear armor in a fixed position or vehicle than I will on foot. There aren't too many scenarios I see that have us moving on foot but openly armored and armed. As far as steel versus ceramic - first, let's assume cost is really the only consideration in steel versus ceramic. I think everyone would rather have ceramic, so the conversation comes down to "how much protection can I get for $X?" For me - ceramic costs 3x what steel costs. Every set of ceramic plates I buy is the equivalent of 3 sets of steel, which is significant. I don't plan on walking until my vehicle can take me no further. Riding in a vehicle during perilous times is a great way to get ambushed. Having plates for my entire family and having extras to set inside door pockets is more important to me than having just one or two set of ceramics. I don't plan on leaving at all if I can stay in place. Again, I'd rather have sets for everyone and extra protection around certain areas than having less plates that weigh a few pounds less. I'd also rather have some extra PCs for people that worked with me to protect our AO. I bought ceramics for me and my wife, but happily leverage TheTargetMan.com plates in vehicles, for children, for reinforcing vehicles or secure areas, or my weaponmaster crews and stunt teams (movie production teams who may be near things going boom). If me and the family are going "the road" (pulling everything we own in a cart or wagon) - we have MUCH bigger problems than the few pound difference between steel and ceramics . To your point - I'm not sure armor would be on my list of things to carry in that scenario.
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Posted: 4/14/2014 9:33:03 AM EDT
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Handy related videos.
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Posted: 4/14/2014 9:51:09 AM EDT
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Don't have plates yet, but will. Bought a plate carrier and pouches for ammo, etc. during carbine classes. I figure if I have the carrier, I might as well get the plates. I hope I never need them, but for a measly few hundred bucks, I'll have them if SHTF ever comes.
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Posted: 4/14/2014 9:54:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryMy thinking is, just about anything the .gov has, that is bigger than handgun caliber, is made to go through body armor anyways. The home invader crackhead is far more likely to have a pistol than a long arm. Probably the same for post-disaster looters. In a civilian situation facing rifle fire is pretty unlikely. |
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Posted: 4/14/2014 10:04:06 AM EDT
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The home invader crackhead is far more likely to have a pistol than a long arm. Probably the same for post-disaster looters. In a civilian situation facing rifle fire is pretty unlikely. Quote HistoryQuoted:
My thinking is, just about anything the .gov has, that is bigger than handgun caliber, is made to go through body armor anyways. The home invader crackhead is far more likely to have a pistol than a long arm. Probably the same for post-disaster looters. In a civilian situation facing rifle fire is pretty unlikely. There are far, far more rifles in rural areas than there are pistols. |
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Posted: 4/14/2014 10:04:51 AM EDT
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The home invader crackhead is far more likely to have a pistol than a long arm. Probably the same for post-disaster looters. In a civilian situation facing rifle fire is pretty unlikely. Quote HistoryQuoted:
My thinking is, just about anything the .gov has, that is bigger than handgun caliber, is made to go through body armor anyways. The home invader crackhead is far more likely to have a pistol than a long arm. Probably the same for post-disaster looters. In a civilian situation facing rifle fire is pretty unlikely. Rifle plates stop the shit outta pistol rounds too... likely with a hell of lot less suck on the part of the target. |
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Posted: 4/14/2014 10:15:21 AM EDT
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Rifle plates stop the shit outta pistol rounds too... likely with a hell of lot less suck on the part of the target. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My thinking is, just about anything the .gov has, that is bigger than handgun caliber, is made to go through body armor anyways. The home invader crackhead is far more likely to have a pistol than a long arm. Probably the same for post-disaster looters. In a civilian situation facing rifle fire is pretty unlikely. Rifle plates stop the shit outta pistol rounds too... likely with a hell of lot less suck on the part of the target. Understatement of the century. You have soft armor, which catches a bullet, but still deforms from a flat panel to do so, like pressing your finger into a trash bag. Then you have plates, be they ceramic or steel, which distribute the force of the impact across their surface area. The best way to demonstrate this is to fill a bathtub, and place a plastic bag on the surface as well as a wooden cutting board. Take your finger of choice and sharply poke each. Instant demonstration on force distribution. |
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Posted: 4/14/2014 10:31:33 AM EDT
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I use them when I work security at the second largest mall in America. Ive been thinking about upgrading to something heavier lately, though gov't mraps? |
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Posted: 4/14/2014 10:32:12 AM EDT
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There are far, far more rifles in rural areas than there are pistols. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My thinking is, just about anything the .gov has, that is bigger than handgun caliber, is made to go through body armor anyways. The home invader crackhead is far more likely to have a pistol than a long arm. Probably the same for post-disaster looters. In a civilian situation facing rifle fire is pretty unlikely. There are far, far more rifles in rural areas than there are pistols. Less than 500 people a year in the US are killed with a rifle. Statistically it's rare. Even crack heads don't want to be wandering around with a rifle instead of an easily concealable handgun when doing crimes. |
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Posted: 4/14/2014 10:33:16 AM EDT
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OP, I can always take the plates out of my carrier if I need to go faster. Zip-tying plates to a chest rig if people are shooting at me is a hell of a lot harder. Spalling will cut thru the zip ties like butter too....just saying Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 4/14/2014 10:34:09 AM EDT
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Less than 500 people a year in the US are killed with a rifle. Statistically it's rare. Even crack heads don't want to be wandering around with a rifle instead of an easily concealable handgun when doing crimes. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My thinking is, just about anything the .gov has, that is bigger than handgun caliber, is made to go through body armor anyways. The home invader crackhead is far more likely to have a pistol than a long arm. Probably the same for post-disaster looters. In a civilian situation facing rifle fire is pretty unlikely. There are far, far more rifles in rural areas than there are pistols. Less than 500 people a year in the US are killed with a rifle. Statistically it's rare. Even crack heads don't want to be wandering around with a rifle instead of an easily concealable handgun when doing crimes. .gov kill teams will be using rifles. Roving bands of armed marauders will likely have rifles. Foreign militaries will have rifles. The crab people won't have rifles, but a solid plate will help with the spines. |
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Posted: 4/14/2014 10:37:07 AM EDT
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.gov kill teams will be using rifles. Roving bands of armed marauders will likely have rifles. Foreign militaries will have rifles. The crab people won't have rifles, but a solid plate will help with the spines. 
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Posted: 4/14/2014 10:37:27 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/14/2014 10:56:34 AM EDT
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.http://i39.tinypic.com/2dka9sp.jpg Sign of the times. I'm no tactical Timmy, but better to have and not need. QFT |
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Posted: 4/14/2014 11:00:56 AM EDT
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If they made it past the dogs without me being alerted they are probably cops and my dogs are dead :-( Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Mine and wife's are on a shelf in our walk in closet with a rifle, shotgun and reloads. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Whats your plan if you're in the garage turning wrenches or at the kitchen table eating your waffles and bad things happen? If they made it past the dogs without me being alerted they are probably cops and my dogs are dead :-( Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Haha I see what you did there |
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Posted: 4/14/2014 11:03:08 AM EDT
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Pussies.
All I need is .45-70 TC Encore and a multicam loincloth 
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Posted: 4/14/2014 11:34:10 AM EDT
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Pussies. All I need is .45-70 TC Encore and a multicam loincloth Please don't share pictures. I'm still getting over the 'up kilt' picture that 5.11 Tactical just posted 
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Posted: 4/14/2014 11:42:09 AM EDT
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Because the blond lady with big titties told me at the gun show the government was banning body armor and I should buy some before they do ban it.....  I know exactly who you are talking about. 
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Posted: 4/14/2014 11:50:56 AM EDT
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Me too, that's a big reason I'd like some. I've got no intention of running around playing GI Joe, but I can see where they would come in real handy if looters are hanging around post hurricane, earthquake (we do get big damaging ones every hundred years or so out here on the east coast, we're actually a bit overdue), or any other big natural disaster. Which is why I'm torn between some big heavy plates or just soft IIIA, because in that scenario Id think you'd probably most likely face handgun threats, not rifle, so Im weighting if its worth the weight tradeoff to give up the extra protection. Thanks to who posted the targetman site, looks like some good options there. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Some shoot house courses require them. Because I'd like to take a shoothouse course at some point it seemed prudent to invest in plates. I live in an area subject to hurricanes. If Katrina 2.0 visited my area and bands of dazzling young hooligans decided my sub-division looked tempting post-storm, I'd rather have a set of plates between them and me. If an active shooter scenario unfolded near my home, I'd rather have a set of plates between them and me while my family posted up somewhere safe. I have no illusions of suddenly going all GI Joe. But there are some scenarios that I feel a set of plates could be handy for a middle aged doughy civilian type. Thanks to who posted the targetman site, looks like some good options there. Get both. They are not that expensive. Police surplus 3A soft vests from BPM run ~$250 depending on the surplus deal of the quarter. USeful for low-profile wear, like running out to get gas after Hurricane Sandy or something like that. TheTargetMan steel plates for the trunk of your car (completely temperature and knock-about insensitive) run <$200. Also great for training/classes/PT. Decent basic ceramics should run you about $300 for a pair. In a completely slick carrier you can wear even plates under a sweatshirt or other cover garment. Yeah, they're bulky and I wouldn't roll around walmart wearing them (unless there's a deal on .22) but for driving in a car to leave the hurricane zone, sure, would probably pass casual inspection from outside the vehicle. At the end of the day you're spending <$1K to get a complete set of armor. If you have more than one handgun and longarm per shooter in your house, you'd be better off selling an AR or a 1911 and buying a set of armor. Non-combatants (i.e. non-shooters) can also wear armor. I have many fewer issues giving a child a set of small plates to wear in the car than I do handing them a firearm. |
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Posted: 4/14/2014 12:15:26 PM EDT
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Also, I would argue that the recent events in Ukraine recently have made acutely obvious the need for some sort of protection that goes beyond a piece of 20 ga. aluminum sheet, even for civilians.
For the guys who have actually been actively shot at - how many instances did you see where body armor saved a life? |
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Posted: 4/14/2014 12:19:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Get both. They are not that expensive. Police surplus 3A soft vests from BPM run ~$250 depending on the surplus deal of the quarter. USeful for low-profile wear, like running out to get gas after Hurricane Sandy or something like that. TheTargetMan steel plates for the trunk of your car (completely temperature and knock-about insensitive) run <$200. Also great for training/classes/PT. Decent basic ceramics should run you about $300 for a pair. In a completely slick carrier you can wear even plates under a sweatshirt or other cover garment. Yeah, they're bulky and I wouldn't roll around walmart wearing them (unless there's a deal on .22) but for driving in a car to leave the hurricane zone, sure, would probably pass casual inspection from outside the vehicle. At the end of the day you're spending <$1K to get a complete set of armor. If you have more than one handgun and longarm per shooter in your house, you'd be better off selling an AR or a 1911 and buying a set of armor. Non-combatants (i.e. non-shooters) can also wear armor. I have many fewer issues giving a child a set of small plates to wear in the car than I do handing them a firearm. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Some shoot house courses require them. Because I'd like to take a shoothouse course at some point it seemed prudent to invest in plates. I live in an area subject to hurricanes. If Katrina 2.0 visited my area and bands of dazzling young hooligans decided my sub-division looked tempting post-storm, I'd rather have a set of plates between them and me. If an active shooter scenario unfolded near my home, I'd rather have a set of plates between them and me while my family posted up somewhere safe. I have no illusions of suddenly going all GI Joe. But there are some scenarios that I feel a set of plates could be handy for a middle aged doughy civilian type. Thanks to who posted the targetman site, looks like some good options there. Get both. They are not that expensive. Police surplus 3A soft vests from BPM run ~$250 depending on the surplus deal of the quarter. USeful for low-profile wear, like running out to get gas after Hurricane Sandy or something like that. TheTargetMan steel plates for the trunk of your car (completely temperature and knock-about insensitive) run <$200. Also great for training/classes/PT. Decent basic ceramics should run you about $300 for a pair. In a completely slick carrier you can wear even plates under a sweatshirt or other cover garment. Yeah, they're bulky and I wouldn't roll around walmart wearing them (unless there's a deal on .22) but for driving in a car to leave the hurricane zone, sure, would probably pass casual inspection from outside the vehicle. At the end of the day you're spending <$1K to get a complete set of armor. If you have more than one handgun and longarm per shooter in your house, you'd be better off selling an AR or a 1911 and buying a set of armor. Non-combatants (i.e. non-shooters) can also wear armor. I have many fewer issues giving a child a set of small plates to wear in the car than I do handing them a firearm. |
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Posted: 4/14/2014 1:03:06 PM EDT
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And there's no greater indication that someone doesn't do the above than owning a set of AR500 plates; go spend several 12+ hour days on your feet being physically active in your gear, and you'll dump everything you absolutely don't need and sell your asshole on a street corner to get the lightest set of ceramic plates you can get. Sig line material.
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Posted: 4/14/2014 1:08:07 PM EDT
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I've been shot at and it was uncomfortable. If shit hits the fan or a malicious individual shows up at my house/the range I'd rather have it than be entirely exposed.
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Posted: 4/14/2014 1:10:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I can't explain how important the above is; wearing armor changes EVERYTHING, including how you shoot your pistol and shoulder your rifle. Clamp yourself in between a set of plates and watch your muscle memory get destroyed. And there's no greater indication that someone doesn't do the above than owning a set of AR500 plates; go spend several 12+ hour days on your feet being physically active in your gear, and you'll dump everything you absolutely don't need and sell your asshole on a street corner to get the lightest set of ceramic plates you can get. a PC you don't train in is worse than useless. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You better get outside and train with your PC with full load; in a rifle class, a hike or a run. If you have all this stuff but haven't trained in it you are kidding yourself. And there's no greater indication that someone doesn't do the above than owning a set of AR500 plates; go spend several 12+ hour days on your feet being physically active in your gear, and you'll dump everything you absolutely don't need and sell your asshole on a street corner to get the lightest set of ceramic plates you can get. a PC you don't train in is worse than useless. Or they're a cheap son of a bitch and don't mind the burn |
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Posted: 4/14/2014 1:56:05 PM EDT
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Or they're a cheap son of a bitch and don't mind the burn
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You better get outside and train with your PC with full load; in a rifle class, a hike or a run. If you have all this stuff but haven't trained in it you are kidding yourself. And there's no greater indication that someone doesn't do the above than owning a set of AR500 plates; go spend several 12+ hour days on your feet being physically active in your gear, and you'll dump everything you absolutely don't need and sell your asshole on a street corner to get the lightest set of ceramic plates you can get. a PC you don't train in is worse than useless. Or they're a cheap son of a bitch and don't mind the burn
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Posted: 4/14/2014 2:08:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: You better get outside and train with your PC with full load; in a rifle class, a hike or a run. If you have all this stuff but haven't trained in it you are kidding yourself. And there's no greater indication that someone doesn't do the above than owning a set of AR500 plates; go spend several 12+ hour days on your feet being physically active in your gear, and you'll dump everything you absolutely don't need and sell your asshole on a street corner to get the lightest set of ceramic plates you can get. a PC you don't train in is worse than useless.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1PEogggkogSo let me get this straight. You don't mind shooting gold bars .22 but you've still got AR500 plates?  |
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Posted: 4/14/2014 4:51:18 PM EDT
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i own plates and carriers because they make me look like a bad ass when i go to Walmart and wait in the bread lines 22 lines.
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Posted: 4/14/2014 4:57:35 PM EDT
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So let me get this straight. You don't mind shooting gold bars .22 but you've still got AR500 plates?
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You better get outside and train with your PC with full load; in a rifle class, a hike or a run. If you have all this stuff but haven't trained in it you are kidding yourself. And there's no greater indication that someone doesn't do the above than owning a set of AR500 plates; go spend several 12+ hour days on your feet being physically active in your gear, and you'll dump everything you absolutely don't need and sell your asshole on a street corner to get the lightest set of ceramic plates you can get. a PC you don't train in is worse than useless.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1PEogggkog
So let me get this straight. You don't mind shooting gold bars .22 but you've still got AR500 plates?
obviously The price difference between good ceramic (ESAPI) and AR500 is still several months of shooting 22 |
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Posted: 4/14/2014 5:33:32 PM EDT
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You better get outside and train with your PC with full load; in a rifle class, a hike or a run. If you have all this stuff but haven't trained in it you are kidding yourself. And there's no greater indication that someone doesn't do the above than owning a set of AR500 plates; go spend several 12+ hour days on your feet being physically active in your gear, and you'll dump everything you absolutely don't need and sell your asshole on a street corner to get the lightest set of ceramic plates you can get. a PC you don't train in is worse than useless. Or they're a cheap son of a bitch and don't mind the burn
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What's the weight of your PC? My Banshee is just under 21# with ceramics and my mags. |
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Posted: 4/14/2014 5:35:22 PM EDT
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Serious question, help me understand. As a civilian (non-mil, non-leo), why do you own plates? I have my rifle, chest rig, and mag pouches, but no plates. My thinking is, just about anything the .gov has, that is bigger than handgun caliber, is made to go through body armor anyways. Plates would just slow me down. Poll inbound Do you have fat hands? |
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Posted: 4/14/2014 5:38:47 PM EDT
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Do you even current events bro?
Ukraine. Bundy Ranch. US government trying their hardest to turn us into a 3rd world shit hole. If the SHTF how much do you think plates would cost at that point if you did not have them? |
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Posted: 4/14/2014 5:55:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Off topic but what kind of radio is that? Looks sexy! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: <a href="http://s301.photobucket.com/user/Lance1775/media/PA251887.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn77/Lance1775/PA251887.jpg</a> My USMC issued Eagle SPC, Marjeh, AFG 2010. For in CONUS SHTF I would NOT go this way. Off topic but what kind of radio is that? Looks sexy! |
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