Didn't millions of buffalo use to roam that area? Seems the turtle fared pretty well when those pesky buffalo were all over the damn place.

Freedom loving states are owned by the states.

BLM should not even have guns/arresting powers/swat teams.

BUREAU OF LAND MISMANAGEMENT.

 

"Forever"? Really?  So these creatures were there from the minute the earth cooled?  I'm thinking not.

So this is how it starts?


Any more I don't care how it starts lets just get this FO thing going....I ain't getting any younger.

For those who say the federal government owns ANYTHING... take pause and consider where that money comes from. Public lands belong to the public, not the government. The government MANAGES it, hence the name BLM "Basic Land Managerment." For the government to say it's "theirs" is beyond ridiculous.

Note: PCSutton - this quote is not directed at you, rather using the premise of your post to direct context to those who say "the government owns the west."

He did say in another article he has guns and will defend his cattle.

Not sure if he has any pmags to pop.

Ruby ridge/waco 2.0

Dogs will be shot people will be shot and burned.

Nicely stated.



 

I am a landlord.

Don't pay your rent?
I am going to evict you.

Tear up my property?
I am going to evict you.

If you don't leave when evicted?
I am paying the Sheriff to set you out.

He didn't pay rent

He didn't follow the landowners rules.


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Right...So who exactly is this federal government?

Would you pay rent if the "owner" changed the terms in the middle of the lease? Changed a 3 bedroom to a 2?

"Federal snipers with the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) trained guns on members of a family yesterday after they dared to stop and take video footage of cattle outside the bounds of a designated “First Amendment Area,” before arresting one of the men for non-compliance."

Da fuq is that?

I guess outside the fence is where we exercise our second amendment.

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FSA that is what this asshole is. Nothing but FSA.

Lots of people here are applauding his Gimme My Free Shit attitude.

BLM is the landlord. BLM makes the rules. BLM keeps the land from being overgrazed. They also try to find a balance between his grazing and wildlife habitat.

"My grand pappy hunted and fished your land before y'all bought it, why can't we still hunt and fish?" I hear this shit all the time.

If you want bucolic country views and grazing you need to buy the land. His granddad could have bought it. He also could have abided by the land use terms set by BLM. Fuck all FSA.

You can pick wild blue berries and sell em, why not? they just fall on the ground and rot or the birds eat them.  not many wild apple trees worth the trouble. Cutting lumber is alittle different because it takes 100 years to grow a good tree.

running cattle on desert land packs the dirt and adds manure. Those two things will eventually turn desert back in to prairie if it is done right. The dust bowl was caused when farmers plowed the prairie for about 60 years. The reason it happened was the lack of bison to pack the dirt and add manure, the lack of grass roots and the losening of the soil allowed the top soil to blow a way. Whole lot of man made desert today that didnt exist 150 years ago. Hell most of the desert today in the US didnt exist 2500 years ago.

Where does adverse possession of this land come into play?

from facebook "Sorry this is long but applicable here. By SHIREE BUNDY COX: I have had people ask me to explain my dad's stance on this BLM fight. Here it is in as simple of terms as I can explain it. There is so much to it, but here it s in a nut shell. My great grandpa bought the rights to the Bunkerville allotment back in 1887 around there. Then he sold them to my grandpa who then turned them over to my dad in 1972. These men bought and paid for their rights to the range and also built waters, fences and roads to assure the servival of their cattle, all with their own money, not with tax dollars. These rights to the land use is called preemptive rights. Some where down the line, to keep the cows from over grazing, came the bureau of land management. They were supposed to assist the ranchers in the management of their ranges while the ranchers paid a yearly allotment which was to be use to pay the BLM wages and to help with repaires and improvements of the ranches. My dad did pay his grazing fees for years to the BLM until they were no longer using his fees to help him and to improve. Instead they began using these money's against the ranchers. They bought all the rest of the ranchers in the area out with they're own grazing fees. When they offered to buy my dad out for a penence he said no thanks and then fired them because they weren't doing their job. He quit paying the BLM but, tried giving his grazing fees to the county, which they turned down. So my dad just went on running his ranch and making his own improvements with his own equipment and his own money, not taxes. In essence the BLM was managing my dad out of business. Well when buying him out didn't work, they used the indangered species card. You've already heard about the desert tortis. Well that didn't work either, so then began the threats and the court orders, which my dad has proven to be unlawful for all these years. Now their desperate. It's come down to buying the brand inspector off and threatening the County Sheriff. Everything their doing at this point is illegal and totally against the constitution of the United States of America. Now you may be saying," how sad, but what does this have to do with me?" Well, I'll tell you. They will get rid of Cliven Bundy, the last man standing on the Bunkerville allotment and then they will close all the roads so no one can ever go on it again. Next, it's Utah's turn. Mark my words, Utah is next. Then there's the issue of the cattle that are at this moment being stolen. See even if dad hasn't paid them, those cattle do belong to him. Regardless where they are they are my fathers property. His herd has been part of that range for over a hundred years, long before the BLM even exsisted. Now the Feds think they can just come in and remove them and sell them without a legal brand inspection or without my dad's signature on it. They think they can take them over two boarders, which is illegal, ask any trucker. Then they plan to take them to the Richfeild Aucion and sell them. All with our tax money. They have paid off the contract cowboys and the auction owner as well as the Nevada brand inspector with our tax dollars. See how slick they are? Well, this is it in a nut shell. Thanks"

I find a duck's opinion of me is very much influenced by whether or not I have bread. -- Mitch Hedberg

FBHO and FBLM

Damn, the desert tortoise is protected? I ran over over one in a Humvee back in '99. It wasn't on purpose, I even brake for squirrels if there's no one behind me, but I didn't feel particularly bad about it.
My buddies thought it was hilarious.

All this.
My understanding is that when more grazing was allowed the desert tortoise was flourishing.  Something about having readily available food sources conveniently packaged with moisture for the little reptiles.  Cow pies, its what's for dinner for the slow moving tortoises. Think instant buffet.

But then again it doesn't seem as though there is much push to help the tortoises recover in terms of population.  It is  illegal to have them reproduce in captivity - also illegal to release such offspring into the desert.  

This is a repost from MadMardigan(thanks!), just enlarged the font so it's easier to read.

from facebook

"Sorry this is long but applicable here. By SHIREE BUNDY COX: I have had people ask me to explain my dad's stance on this BLM fight.
Here it is in as simple of terms as I can explain it. There is so much to it, but here it s in a nut shell. My great grandpa bought the rights to the Bunkerville allotment back in 1887 around there.Then he sold them to my grandpa who then turned them over to my dad in 1972. These men bought and paid for their rights to the range and also built waters, fences and roads to assure the servival of their cattle, all with their own money, not with tax dollars. These rights to the land use is called preemptive rights. Some where down the line, to keep the cows from over grazing, came the bureau of land management.

They were supposed to assist the ranchers in the management of their ranges while the ranchers paid a yearly allotment which was to be use to pay the BLM wages and to help with repaires and improvements of the ranches. My dad did pay his grazing fees for years to the BLM until they were no longer using his fees to help him and to improve. Instead they began using these money's against the ranchers.
Repost to try and make it easier to read for some like me that struggle with that tiny print;


They bought all the rest of the ranchers in the area out with they're own grazing fees. When they offered to buy my dad out for a penence he said no thanks and then fired them because they weren't doing their job. He quit paying the BLM but, tried giving his grazing fees to the county, which they turned down. So my dad just went on running his ranch and making his own improvements with his own equipment and his own money, not taxes. In essence the BLM was managing my dad out of business.

Well when buying him out didn't work, they used the indangered species card. You've already heard about the desert tortis. Well that didn't work either, so then began the threats and the court orders, which my dad has proven to be unlawful for all these years. Now their desperate. It's come down to buying the brand inspector off and threatening the County Sheriff. Everything their doing at this point is illegal and totally against the constitution of the United States of America. Now you may be saying," how sad, but what does this have to do with me?" Well, I'll tell you. They will get rid of Cliven Bundy, the last man standing on the Bunkerville allotment and then they will close all the roads so no one can ever go on it again. Next, it's Utah's turn. Mark my words, Utah is next.

Then there's the issue of the cattle that are at this moment being stolen. See even if dad hasn't paid them, those cattle do belong to him. Regardless where they are they are my fathers property. His herd has been part of that range for over a hundred years, long before the BLM even exsisted. Now the Feds think they can just come in and remove them and sell them without a legal brand inspection or without my dad's signature on it. They think they can take them over two boarders, which is illegal, ask any trucker. Then they plan to take them to the Richfeild Aucion and sell them. All with our tax money. They have paid off the contract cowboys and the auction owner as well as the Nevada brand inspector with our tax dollars. See how slick they are?
Well, this is it in a nut shell. Thanks

It's illegal to let tortoises screw  

fed herp reaches farther than I though

2 words



Water Rights



 

For fucks sake, who in this day and age doesn't use spell check?

 

The top 15 in my zip each got over $1 million from 1995-2012. And couple of those are families which are represented more than once on the list. Total subsidies were $84 million for my zip during that period. Nothing but welfare for those that are already wealthy in my area.

Let's go help the man. Who's with me?

Why would I help someone who is trying to weasel out of paying his bills?

Oh is that what he's doing? I thought this was about grazing rights.

I expect a land grab soon.

Grazing rights on land he doesn't own and stopped paying the fee to continue grazing on years ago.

Cliven's a fucking idiot.

Hard to believe its that simple. What about the Facebook post by the daughter?

Anyone else see the  Fox News special last night about BLM being used to go after big oil and ranchers? It's a fucking crime

Do they have swat and sniper teams?

I don't care for faux news or any other cable news.

The local sherif told the Feds he would be on the ranchers side if the invaded the ranch. .Gov backed down from the raid.

I'm down.......got plenty of ammo and no job either.

What if 10,000 armed citizens open carried to that area?

If this was Nye county, NV that sheriff would arrest the BLM people. He already was gonna in another incident.

Bunkerville is in Clark county and Sheriff Douglas C. Gillespie is a pussy.

What state?
Got a link?

Yeah I got to go to work in a couple hours. But damn I would like to it would be better than sitting around getting old and waiting for a heart attack

klamath falls or some such right ?

General comprehension

I think it was Arizona or Nevada it might be the same story. I can't find a link

The ranch owner actually went to law school because his lawyer bill were so high. A judge ruled in his favor awarded him 14 million dollars in attorney's fees and compensation and the .gov refused to pay. The .gov is still on his ass

In the segment they also talked about the guy who  discovered Fracking for oil and how he is under assault because they found a dead bird in his mud pit.

Crazy shit.

At first, I felt Cliven was in the wrong and generally being a jackass.

The more I learn about that real details of what is going on, the more I realize that what the Fed's are doing - and most certainly how they are doing it - is a steaming pile of buffalo shit!

I believe it. Same thing happened to my families water right when dealing with the National Forrest Service. One day a Ranger retires, and is replaced by a new JBT hotshot. The next day they refuse to acknowledge a written water right exercised for over 20 years. Time to tear out the pipes they say. 25 years of legal battle later, it turns out a Judge says Mr JBT fishcop was wrong, and the taxpayer has to foot the bill for all the lawyers. That is what "winning" against the Fed was like for my family.

If these guys don't want to end up broke, in jail and or dead, they'd better get a good lawyer and have some documentation of the original rights. If they don't have those resources, then the choice is to surrender all or part of your way of life, and maybe go work at Walmart, or die trying to fight the man to the last.

I want to see a cow vs. turtle thing go down.

They live in peace together. Cow shits tortoise eats it.

 

I know, right?  Classic Rick, though.

Where do new states come from, if not Federal land?  

Article 4, Section 3
"New states may be admitted by the Congress into this union; but no new states shall be formed or erected within the jurisdiction of any other state; nor any state be formed by the junction of two or more states, or parts of states, without the consent of the legislatures of the states concerned as well as of the Congress.

The Congress shall have power to dispose of and make all needful rules and regulations respecting the territory or other property belonging to the United States"

Seems to be a power strongly implied there....

He's right

WTF does the highlighted even mean?  Looks like lawyer language that can be interpreted to mean just about anything.

It means that Congress runs territory that belongs to the US.