By Grabthar's hammer, by the sons of Worvan, you shall be avenged, but only after many decades of lawyers battling.  Make sure you pay them.

I've explained this before, but it's a good time for a review.



When Nevada was organized as a territory back in the early 1860s, the FedGov claimed ownership of whatever land had not been already claimed by private entities.  As part of becoming a state, Nevada got a certain amount of that land as trust lands for schools, etc (4 square mile sections out of every township, IIRC).  The feds kept the rest until someone homesteaded them or bought them outright.  A lot of it was given to the Central Pacific as payment for building the Transcontinental Railroad.



This wouldn't be a problem in a state where there is plenty of water to go around; eventually, someone would homestead the land and take ownership.  Most eastern states have very little federal land for this reason.



In Nevada, the driest state in the Union, it's a big problem because most of the land has no water available and is essentially worthless.  Nevada is owned mostly by the feds because they probably couldn't give 90% of that land away unless it valuable minerals or a good aquifer underneath it.



Like most western ranchers, Bundy's ancestors claimed a small acreage near a water source for their own land, and then let their cattle loose on federal land to graze for free.  If Bundy had to run his ranch on his own land he'd never make it; too small to be profitable.  If the BLM offered to give him the land he now grazes on for free he wouldn't accept it; he couldn't graze enough cattle on that marginal land to pay the property taxes.



 

"Hazardous? No. But large amount of milk spilled in a stream or pond will cause a fish kill pretty quickly by creating a bacterial bloom which strips the water of its oxygen.

Biology, how does it work?"

Are you serious or is that from a Monty Python skit?

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So your solution to the situation is an even more heavy action against US citizens?

I don't think they will do another raid. That will really hurt the dems 14/16.

The opinion of MSM and the gov. does not speak for the people, no matter how erect you get believing that. You're not here to stoke a reasonable debate, you're here to troll.

Biochemical Oxygen Demand.



Milk has a very high BOD; milk proteins, lactose, fats are all delicious to bacteria.  Pour several thousand gallons in your favorite fishing pond and watch what happens in a few days.



 

And internet forum polls are not indicative of the American public, no matter how much they agree with you.  I thought that was one of the basic rules of the internet that everyone knew by now?

I found this series of documents that some of us here should take a look at to learn something about the agencies and the people behind them.

Let me add a XXX warning for the TLDR crowd. This lady is a Environmental Lawyer for the good guys.

First link is about Freedom of Information Act Abuse. A tool that the Left uses against us constantly. You will need a drink after you read it.

http://buddfalen.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/6.25.13-Freedom-of-Information-Act-Abuse.pdf


The second link is about how certain agencies are covering up collusion with the enviro's. and their lawyers and making some good taxpayer money while saving Gaia. I knew about this but never realized how widespread it was.

http://buddfalen.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/5.29.13-Another-Federal-Government-Cover-Up.pdf

No kiddin'! Facts!

Restriction of freedom of movement, I mean perimeter CONTROL.





Thats the already problem that is boiling this frog. We are supposed to control the out of control .gov. They have out lawed, out regulated and hired guns to enforce the mandates of the crown.



Reread the Emancipation Proclamation and see how many parts of that apply to today.



This aint about cows. You aint seen bad yet, but its coming. I wont let my children be slaves, so help me God.
 

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3grXMAH1vyg[/youtube]
Something to watch you may find this talk interesting. it touches on ranching. It's long but it may interest you.

Not going to lie, I only caught that one post of yours so I didn't get the full gist of what your trying to say.

I wasn't speaking to another raid on the Bundy's specifically, but against We The People in a different venue.

I too am leaning on the idea that Bundy's troubles are over with the .gov for now. The thing is, Reid is tarred and feathered with this and will probably not survive another election in his home state-raiding the ranch again won't make or break him. BUT...... Those agencies answer to and work for the administration and there had to be some tacit approval for what was to happen to the Bundy's. If there were Billions of dollars to be made, someone in the administration would have been there with their hands out before they gave the go-ahead to send BLM in heavy. If Reid and Obama's crimes were truly shown to the public, there won't be another Dem in office for many elections. As it is now, Darryl Issa is opening an investigation that will if nothing else make sure it's an issue come time to vote.

That right there is the problem with nonviolence when you don't control the media

Short video for a change.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDouNtnR_IA

I'll be the first to say it....  I'd hit it....



According to comments on facebook, the service is down right now.

I thought all government vehicles come thru GSA and have plated that say US government?

Why did some BLM vehicles have Oregon plates?

I think I found the problem.

Where did this originate?

Seems like a quick way to register a bunch of "domestic terrorists."

Bundy's facebook page.  Thats the Bundy daughter.

Bundy Ranch Facebook Page

I agree with everything you said but this last part has made me think about something. I would like to hear what you have to think about it.

I think that picture of the rifleman on the overpass is going to change things. I mean this in the context of all the different Federal agencies that have tactical teams that would be put in a situation where they would end up encountering protesters and local/state police agencies that would encounter protesters. Especially protesters in states where the police would be enforcing laws that aren't very pro freedom like New York and Connecticut for example.

Maybe it caused some discussion at your own department, but I was mainly thinking about agencies that will have to make the kinds of moves I alluded to above.

I think that picture of the guy on the overpass caused alot of agents/officers to have an "oh shit" moment.

They may openly chuckle at the "neckbeard militiamen" but they also know that the Saiga goes "bang" just like their M4 and that they shoot the same kind of bullets.

When the BLM returns to the ranch and aforementioned agencies are put up against protesters in the future they will, understandably (at least to an extent), deploy in a very aggressive manner. I'm not addressing this from a "the serfs must recognize muh authoritah!" angle, but rather the idea that "There will be people there who will have guns that aren't on my side."

And this is where I see things going bad and someone getting shot.

It may be a situation like the one we just saw: armed protester show up and square off with agents/police. One side will end up shooting at the other and things will get out of hand from there.


           
My greater concern is what I think will be the most likely outcome/situation: an unarmed protestor getting shot.

There would be a lot of variables on both sides of such an incident.

For example, is the protester an actual innocent person protesting or are they someone trying to draw out a response from the police (Alex Jones/Adam Kokesh types).

Likewise is the police officer someone who has a negligent discharge (more guns increases the odds), doesn't really care for the protesters, or (what I think most likely to happen) an officer who sees a gunman behind every single rock and shoots out of a perceived furtive movement.

If the land is worthless, why does it need Federal management?

Will it stop being worthless if they don't tend to its worthlessness?

Worth enough for them to demand taxes/fees for its use, it seems.


You still haven't articulated a reason the Federal government should own 87% of Nevada, rather than Nevada owning Nevada. The State of Nevada can't handle a bunch of worthless nothing?

All it would have taken is ONE ND last week (from either side) and it would have been on.

Without a doubt. I was thinking about what the future holds.


I think the odds really went up once the BLM realized there were quite a few dudes with rifles in the hills.

I can't imagine what they thought other than "FUUUUUUUUU"

I don't think they realize that a large portion of Bundy supporters out there are trained combat vets of several wars, and they don't run from small arms fire very easily.

I agree with what you're saying but I don't think it's impossible to get those same qualities away from the farm.

The problem is not farm vs. urban - it's that kids aren't encouraged to learn to do things for themselves. Many have everything done for them and are never especially challenged. Those that aren't hand-held through their childhood and have to go do things for themselves often lack someone to provide the guiding nudges needed to keep them on the right path and they end up teaching themselves how to fight and steal.

I've grown up as someone that does everything for himself not because I had to (didn't grow up on a farm, wasn't poor) but because that's the example I was set. I taught myself all about IT, cars, metalwork, etc. with nudges in the right direct from my family when needed but never hand-holding.

The problem we have is that when a generation loses those skills it becomes much harder for subsequent generations. The kids grow up thinking that it's normal to pay someone to fix your car, decorate your house, remove the viruses from your PC. This has also lead to a decline in practical hobbies and in the watering down of organisations like the scouts, both of which were alternative sources for learning new skills. The internet has provided a second chance though - there is now a support network available beyond family and friends. The difficulty is in getting youngsters to try in the first place.

That would surprising to me if that was the case. Do you think they thought they would face a bunch of neckbeards?

And you can die if you ingest too much water.





I guess water is now Hazardous, oh wait.  



http://dailycaller.com/2014/03/25/epa-clean-water-rule-could-extend-agencys-reach-over-private-property/



So maybe it's not about the milk, or the water?  Maybe it's about the control.
 

Made links hot.



 

 
 

If you've ever owned any land at all.  That can be a very big thing.
 

Oh crap, I totally missed that part.







Very good man!
 

And this type of militarization for a cattle round up, over unpaid taxes/fees is what justifies this? The feds escalated this first. Again right or wrong on Bundy, the Shock and Awe tactics of our government is what is out of hand. If LEO and those in a similar position don't start thinking of the image they present instead of acting all military and tactical, then it just shows what gun confiscation will look like.

Amen, brother.

Or one pepperball.

Or one pepperball.

The states could make so much if we turned those national parks to housing developments.

The only way the Feds can bring enough soldiers in and get the drop on the ranchers is to use the Air Cav, and it's going to end up looking something like this.

Apocalypse Cow
 

 
 

Or a double tapped pepperball.

Thanks.

Bundy escalated this first, not the feds.  BLM tried to round up the cattle two years ago and were met threats of violence from Bundy.  So when they came to do it this year, they brought protection in case Bundy followed through.

Point.





       

Damn