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Posted: 4/3/2014 6:03:33 PM EDT
We allow our church to use a simple wifi network off of our apple airport router. There is no network between computers, it is just a public network we allow our church family to use. I and my leadership team want to continue to offer this service but we also see the need to protect our folks and filter different categories of websites. I am sure all can read between the lines on this and know that there will be some comments. But I also know someone will be helpful
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Posted: 4/3/2014 10:24:32 PM EDT
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Surely God will protect his flock - how does it go?
"Lead us not into temptation..." or something like that? Or are you wanting a man-made electronic solution to a spiritual problem? |
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Posted: 4/3/2014 10:40:40 PM EDT
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Maybe Subnet or some of the other computer gurus are conscious although this time of night their suggestions should be regarded with a highway truck full of salt. You may get better answers in the daylight.
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Posted: 4/3/2014 10:44:27 PM EDT
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There's decent porn filtering software, but you'll never get it all. I'd say just doing your best to make sure the person has to work for it as opposed to accidentally stumbling on it would be enough.
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Posted: 4/3/2014 10:45:01 PM EDT
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http://www.churchmedia.net/forums/computer-networking/41099-whole-network-web-filter.html
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Posted: 4/3/2014 10:46:22 PM EDT
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Surely God will protect his flock - how does it go? "Lead us not into temptation..." or something like that? Or are you wanting a man-made electronic solution to a spiritual problem? I'm going to go with this. Shouldn't you let them sin if that is their choice? You are there to spiritually guide them and teach them to choose not to sin, not stop them from sinning by making it more difficult to sin. God didn't give man free will just to have other men take it away. |
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Posted: 4/3/2014 10:47:06 PM EDT
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Surely God will protect his flock - how does it go? "Lead us not into temptation..." or something like that? Or are you wanting a man-made electronic solution to a spiritual problem? 
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Posted: 4/3/2014 10:47:26 PM EDT
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I'm going to go with this. Shouldn't you let them sin if that is their choice? You are there to spiritually guide them and teach them to choose not to sin, not stop them from sinning by making it more difficult to sin. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Surely God will protect his flock - how does it go? "Lead us not into temptation..." or something like that? Or are you wanting a man-made electronic solution to a spiritual problem? I'm going to go with this. Shouldn't you let them sin if that is their choice? You are there to spiritually guide them and teach them to choose not to sin, not stop them from sinning by making it more difficult to sin. Not always that simple. |
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Posted: 4/3/2014 10:48:38 PM EDT
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Surely God will protect his flock - how does it go? "Lead us not into temptation..." or something like that? Or are you wanting a man-made electronic solution to a spiritual problem? I'm going to go with this. Shouldn't you let them sin if that is their choice? You are there to spiritually guide them and teach them to choose not to sin, not stop them from sinning by making it more difficult to sin. Not always that simple. It is that simple. If God wanted to force people to behave he would have stayed Old Testament. |
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Posted: 4/3/2014 10:49:52 PM EDT
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Who doesn't like porn.
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Posted: 4/3/2014 10:50:13 PM EDT
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I have no association with these folks. It'll take some initial investment, a low end PC and possibly a better router.
http://www.quintolabs.com/ Another option here. http://www.opendns.com/ If you want almost absolutely free you can self police. Just make a webpage that shows where everyone has been and that is open to public. Anyone in the congregation can see what kind of traffic\webpages and the information will let folks self police. |
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Posted: 4/3/2014 10:53:48 PM EDT
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Who ever is paying for the internet has a right to filter it. Lets just help. Besides, I think there was something about shepherds somewhere in that book.
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Posted: 4/3/2014 10:54:03 PM EDT
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"Protect them". Interesting, I'm sure most censors throughout history probably saw book buring and what not that way too
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Posted: 4/3/2014 10:56:18 PM EDT
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Who ever is paying for the internet has a right to filter it. Lets just help. Besides, I think there was something about shepherds somewhere in that book. A good shepherd would filter out the members only sites. 
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Posted: 4/3/2014 10:58:17 PM EDT
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lol.....you might have a goldmine there!
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Posted: 4/3/2014 11:33:51 PM EDT
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Ahh, controlling people right down to their surfing habits. Religion never ceases to impress.
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Posted: 4/3/2014 11:35:27 PM EDT
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opendns
http://www.opendns.com/home-internet-security/parental-controls/ |
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Posted: 4/3/2014 11:43:09 PM EDT
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"Protect them". Interesting, I'm sure most censors throughout history probably saw book buring and what not that way too
First off, "burning." And periods are important. They have standards. Those standards apply in their house because, their house. They have no reason or need to enable behavior they don't agree with. That's not "censorship" (which the educated would know is a label that only really applies to government action to silence private individuals, not a term which applies to a private organization/individual on their property). That's an understanding of their standards and how to actually apply them in the real world. Simple concept: we don't believe porn is healthy or moral, so we're not going to enable access to it through our router. Your version would require every Alcoholics Anonymous meeting to be held at a bar, otherwise "censorship." Put the "I hate Christians" axe down for a while and help the man. |
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Posted: 4/3/2014 11:48:42 PM EDT
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How many terminals are we looking at OP?
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Posted: 4/3/2014 11:56:29 PM EDT
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"Protect them". Interesting, I'm sure most censors throughout history probably saw book buring and what not that way too What don't you understand?? 
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Posted: 4/7/2014 9:25:37 PM EDT
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Certain criminal activities like child porn, P2P and other activities could be done on the open network from several blocks away.
There are many reasons to put up a filter. I had an open wifi network that I put a filter on. It had a page where you can complain to the sys admin if the sight is blocked. I got a note from a neighbor asking why I blocked the porn sight he was watching. |
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Posted: 4/7/2014 9:55:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Maybe Subnet or some of the other computer gurus are conscious although this time of night their suggestions should be regarded with a highway truck full of salt. You may get better answers in the daylight. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile You going to take off arf.com? |
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Posted: 4/7/2014 10:16:57 PM EDT
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I don't understand the problem. If people are surfing porn, it's because they want to.
If have members who surf porn in your church, maybe they shouldn't belong in the first place. So you block them at church and then what, they surf porn at home, and this is somehow better? You would be better to spend your time, money, and efforts removing the people from the congregation that don't fit your moral standards. If you need to protect them while they are in your church, who knows what they might be doing outside of there. You are trying to use technology to fix a people problem. Fix your people and you won't need a technology fix. |
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Posted: 4/7/2014 10:27:29 PM EDT
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First, speak to your ISP and see if they any parental control features - this may do everything you want.
If not then you need a little more hardware so that you can do this: Internet router (wifi disabled) <-> PC <-> WiFi access point There's a variety of free and paid software that you can put on the PC to do what you want. |
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Posted: 4/7/2014 10:39:49 PM EDT
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My church wifi blocks arfcom...
Probably should focus more on church stuff at church... Yeah, zero problems with a church trying to block crap they disagree with... Support that 100%. |
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Posted: 4/7/2014 10:40:53 PM EDT
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Certain criminal activities like child porn, P2P and other activities could be done on the open network from several blocks away. There are many reasons to put up a filter. I had an open wifi network that I put a filter on. It had a page where you can complain to the sys admin if the sight is blocked. I got a note from a neighbor asking why I blocked the porn sight he was watching. This Some of you people went full derp in your response. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 4/7/2014 10:43:17 PM EDT
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Watever you use. Just dont check the box that blocks "weapons" or goodbye arfcom @ church.
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Posted: 4/7/2014 10:47:26 PM EDT
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There are a lot of ways to do something like this. Most of them are beyond what an AirPort is going to support.
See if you can find a congregation member or an outside resource that might be in the IT business to offer some consulting and/or implementation services for you on a charitable basis. |
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Posted: 4/7/2014 10:57:50 PM EDT
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It is that simple. If God wanted to force people to behave he would have stayed Old Testament. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Surely God will protect his flock - how does it go? "Lead us not into temptation..." or something like that? Or are you wanting a man-made electronic solution to a spiritual problem? I'm going to go with this. Shouldn't you let them sin if that is their choice? You are there to spiritually guide them and teach them to choose not to sin, not stop them from sinning by making it more difficult to sin. Not always that simple. It is that simple. If God wanted to force people to behave he would have stayed Old Testament. You've obviously not read the OT. Nor Romans ch. 7. |
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Posted: 4/7/2014 11:15:04 PM EDT
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Surely God will protect his flock - how does it go? "Lead us not into temptation..." or something like that? Or are you wanting a man-made electronic solution to a spiritual problem? A lot of the time filters are put in place for liability issues more than filtering porn. |
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Posted: 4/7/2014 11:29:07 PM EDT
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Surely God will protect his flock - how does it go? "Lead us not into temptation..." or something like that? Or are you wanting a man-made electronic solution to a spiritual problem? 
Fatality. |
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Posted: 4/7/2014 11:31:41 PM EDT
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Might look into these folks, they have some experience.
http://www.opendns.com/enterprise-security/solutions/wifi/ Control access and protect your brand, across all network-connected devices.
Wireless hotspot Internet access is a standard benefit today’s businesses provide to their patrons. But a customer’s exposure to inappropriate content on another patron’s computer or tablet can tarnish your brand. Umbrella Hotspot Edition lets you ensure the Internet experience you provide remains safe, family-friendly and consistent with your brand — across all network-connected devices. |
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Posted: 4/7/2014 11:36:18 PM EDT
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Fatality. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Surely God will protect his flock - how does it go? "Lead us not into temptation..." or something like that? Or are you wanting a man-made electronic solution to a spiritual problem?
Fatality. The basis of preying is asking for forgiveness. Were looking for ".......lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil." They didn't lead us to that in 'Mortal Combat.' |
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Posted: 4/7/2014 11:37:26 PM EDT
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Screensaver that says god is watching with a picture of a webcam should do the trick.
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Posted: 4/7/2014 11:57:25 PM EDT
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Some of the responses are about what I expected and some have been very helpful. Primarily this is about using a church network for illegal activities like child porn. People need to understand that we are responsible in providing an open public network what comes over it. People downloading torrents and porn is absolutely our responsibility if the church makes it possible.
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Posted: 4/8/2014 12:03:39 AM EDT
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Some of the responses are about what I expected and some have been very helpful. Primarily this is about using a church network for illegal activities like child porn. People need to understand that we are responsible in providing an open public network what comes over it. People downloading torrents and porn is absolutely our responsibility if the church makes it possible. Fine heres a serious answer from a 30 sec google search. Covenant eyes (weekly report of sites visited) Seems to be religious oriented. K9 web protection (password protection) |
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Posted: 4/8/2014 12:06:04 AM EDT
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Take an angry pic of the Pastor and put him up as a redirect to adult sites.
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Posted: 4/8/2014 12:09:09 AM EDT
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Some of the responses are about what I expected and some have been very helpful. Primarily this is about using a church network for illegal activities like child porn. People need to understand that we are responsible in providing an open public network what comes over it. People downloading torrents and porn is absolutely our responsibility if the church makes it possible. Sounds right to me. i commend your diligence. |
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Posted: 4/9/2014 2:27:43 AM EDT
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Fine heres a serious answer from a 30 sec google search. Covenant eyes (weekly report of sites visited) Seems to be religious oriented. K9 web protection (password protection) Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Some of the responses are about what I expected and some have been very helpful. Primarily this is about using a church network for illegal activities like child porn. People need to understand that we are responsible in providing an open public network what comes over it. People downloading torrents and porn is absolutely our responsibility if the church makes it possible. Fine heres a serious answer from a 30 sec google search. Covenant eyes (weekly report of sites visited) Seems to be religious oriented. K9 web protection (password protection) Those only protect individual machines. Those do not protect a wifi network. Thanks for your 30 second search. |
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Posted: 4/9/2014 2:37:02 AM EDT
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Some of the responses are about what I expected and some have been very helpful. Primarily this is about using a church network for illegal activities like child porn. People need to understand that we are responsible in providing an open public network what comes over it. People downloading torrents and porn is absolutely our responsibility if the church makes it possible. Does your internet provider not have something to protect the network? I would give them a call. Good luck |
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Posted: 4/9/2014 2:52:41 AM EDT
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Wifi at a church?
Shut it down. |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 10:27:23 PM EDT
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Surely God will protect his flock - how does it go? "Lead us not into temptation..." or something like that? Or are you wanting a man-made electronic solution to a spiritual problem? FPNI |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 10:28:16 PM EDT
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Who doesn't like porn. Especially if on a fast WiFi network in HD! |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 4:16:36 AM EDT
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protect them, huh?
sounds like censoring them. typical, you know best
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Posted: 4/19/2014 4:35:05 AM EDT
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I love the people arguing why they feel you shouldn't do this instead of giving answers. I don't think he asked if they should do it, just how they can do it. Who are we to judge?
Anyways, OP, you should get a wireless router like a NETGEAR Wireless N router. The one I have has Live Parental Control built into it that you can turn on. I think that would be a better solution than the Airport. |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 4:37:39 AM EDT
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Could it not be unwise to stand in the way of someone predestined to watch pron?
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Posted: 4/19/2014 4:41:06 AM EDT
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Serious question for the pastor.
How does denial of access to a website protect them? Seems to me it's more of enforcing your values and desires, which I'm ok with. You provide the service and can limit it's content as you wish, but it seems intellectually and spiritually dishonest the way you posed it. |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 4:42:38 AM EDT
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opendns http://www.opendns.com/home-internet-security/parental-controls/ |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 4:44:31 AM EDT
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We allow our church to use a simple wifi network off of our apple airport router. There is no network between computers, it is just a public network we allow our church family to use. I and my leadership team want to continue to offer this service but we also see the need to protect our folks and filter different categories of websites. I am sure all can read between the lines on this and know that there will be some comments. But I also know someone will be helpful
Patrick the Pastor God gave the worlds people free will, who are you to think your smarter than God. Let the people choose and live with the consequences. You can certainly speak to them about the dangers, but if you remove their freedom of choice, you are short changing them the experience of life. You are in effect cheating Gods work. Also, if your parishioners are so weak, just remove the service until you have "educated them" well enough. |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 4:44:57 AM EDT
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I have no association with these folks. It'll take some initial investment, a low end PC and possibly a better router. http://www.quintolabs.com/ Another option here. http://www.opendns.com/ If you want almost absolutely free you can self police. Just make a webpage that shows where everyone has been and that is open to public. Anyone in the congregation can see what kind of traffic\webpages and the information will let folks self police. This works really well. I was on a ship in port where the crew shared a hotspot. A tech looked at it a couple times when the speed was really dragging. He taught the mates on watch how to print logs of sites visited and bandwidth used. The crew started self-policing the torrent and movie down loaders that were slowing everything down. |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 4:45:11 AM EDT
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We allow our church to use a simple wifi network off of our apple airport router. There is no network between computers, it is just a public network we allow our church family to use. I and my leadership team want to continue to offer this service but we also see the need to protect our folks and filter different categories of websites. I am sure all can read between the lines on this and know that there will be some comments. But I also know someone will be helpful
Patrick the Pastor No offense Pastor, but you lost me. |
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