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Link Posted: 3/28/2014 8:58:15 AM EST
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Why is this even a discussion? PMC X-Tac M855 is imported steel core ammo that is commonly used in AR pistols, so if THATS not restricted then WTF would they restrict 5.45 for?
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M855 is specifically exempt, as is M2 AP.
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Link Posted: 3/28/2014 9:06:45 AM EST
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Why is this even a discussion? PMC X-Tac M855 is imported steel core ammo that is commonly used in AR pistols, so if THATS not restricted then WTF would they restrict 5.45 for?


M855 is specifically exempt, as is M2 AP.


M855 doesn't fit the criteria EITHER is the point, even if it wasn't exempt for military reasons.
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Link Posted: 3/28/2014 9:26:49 AM EST
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Originally Posted By gogetumnow:
This whole situation feels like a classic pump and dump. Some non-scrupulous ammo dealer more than likely drew up this "letter" to turn over some 5.45 inventory at insane prices. With Ukraine going on, BHO in office and 22LR getting neckbearded everywhere, it won't take much to get the sheep stampeding.

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The SOT that got the letter wants to bring it in and sell it to you....as they have done in the past with hundreds and hundreds of millions of rounds of various calibers. Unless something changes, they will not be bringing in anymore 5.45 military surplus ammo.

Are you saying that the importer/SOT has conspired to disallow the import of this ammo and thus not make any money on it?

IF ATF takes the same position on SC 545 as they have in the past with SC 762x39, FFLs will not even be able to legally sell the inventory they have on hand..so where is the money in that? You think JY benifits from high ammo prices? His students require ammo, if it is priced too high or unavailable then naturally less folks are gonna train...

Use some critical thinking skills people...
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Link Posted: 3/28/2014 9:28:30 AM EST
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Link Posted: 3/28/2014 9:30:31 AM EST
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May fuck be upon that little prick. He has made a crusade out of doing shit that will screw gunowners in the ass.

Embody is arguably as bad or worse than BATFE on any given day.
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Paging Leonard Embody........aka "Kwikrnu"

He said ATF couldn't ban 5.45 importation just because he or anyone else was manufacturing 5.45 pistols......


May fuck be upon that little prick. He has made a crusade out of doing shit that will screw gunowners in the ass.

Embody is arguably as bad or worse than BATFE on any given day.

Man, you ain't lying. Fuck that guy. In before someone claiming you somehow hate freedom or some such shit.
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Link Posted: 3/28/2014 9:31:11 AM EST
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Because there is zero wiggle room for them in the definition in the federal code. They do not have any "interpretive" power or regulatory discretion here. The definition is too explicit and specific for any of their fast-and-loose games to stand up for even a moment to a well-placed lawsuit, and the last thing they want to risk is a ruling against them that builds unfavorable precedent.

Do I believe they want to? Hell yes. They'd line us all up and shoot us if they thought they could get away with it. But I also believe they're cagey enough to look at this with a risk-benefit analysis and know that they stand very little chance of their normal shenanigans working in this instance, and the likelihood and magnitude of setbacks seriously outweigh what they might gain from it.
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the ATF is a rouge agency, what makes you think it follows rules. Its own or anyone elses?


Because there is zero wiggle room for them in the definition in the federal code. They do not have any "interpretive" power or regulatory discretion here. The definition is too explicit and specific for any of their fast-and-loose games to stand up for even a moment to a well-placed lawsuit, and the last thing they want to risk is a ruling against them that builds unfavorable precedent.

Do I believe they want to? Hell yes. They'd line us all up and shoot us if they thought they could get away with it. But I also believe they're cagey enough to look at this with a risk-benefit analysis and know that they stand very little chance of their normal shenanigans working in this instance, and the likelihood and magnitude of setbacks seriously outweigh what they might gain from it.



So you are saying the letter/email is not from ATF and is in fact a complete fabrication?

If yes, who do you think fabricated it and what do they stand t gain?
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Link Posted: 3/28/2014 9:31:25 AM EST
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Man, you ain't lying. Fuck that guy. In before someone claiming you somehow hate freedom or some such shit.
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Paging Leonard Embody........aka "Kwikrnu"

He said ATF couldn't ban 5.45 importation just because he or anyone else was manufacturing 5.45 pistols......


May fuck be upon that little prick. He has made a crusade out of doing shit that will screw gunowners in the ass.

Embody is arguably as bad or worse than BATFE on any given day.

Man, you ain't lying. Fuck that guy. In before someone claiming you somehow hate freedom or some such shit.


May fuck be upon anyone that defends Leonard Embody. Embody is in some sort of evil competition with Feinstein on who can fuck over gunowners harder and deeper.
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Link Posted: 3/28/2014 9:35:16 AM EST
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Why is this even a discussion? PMC X-Tac M855 is imported steel core ammo that is commonly used in AR pistols, so if THATS not restricted then WTF would they restrict 5.45 for?
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m855/SS109 is exempted
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Right... MAC is "the more credible" source
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For the record ..until I get this information from a more credible source than a liar and a coward I'm not going to believe it. So put that in your pipe and smoke it
MAC is neither a liar nor a coward. Have you read his blog posting on this?



He was referring to Yeager.
Right... MAC is "the more credible" source


So it appears that one guy says "X" and it's a lie and a fabrication, another guy says "X" and it's gospel....

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Link Posted: 3/28/2014 9:37:21 AM EST
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M855 doesn't fit the criteria EITHER is the point, even if it wasn't exempt for military reasons.
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Originally Posted By 21BoomCBTENGR:
Why is this even a discussion? PMC X-Tac M855 is imported steel core ammo that is commonly used in AR pistols, so if THATS not restricted then WTF would they restrict 5.45 for?


M855 is specifically exempt, as is M2 AP.


M855 doesn't fit the criteria EITHER is the point, even if it wasn't exempt for military reasons.



It's not exempt for 'military reasons'...
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It's not exempt for 'military reasons'...
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Originally Posted By 21BoomCBTENGR:
Why is this even a discussion? PMC X-Tac M855 is imported steel core ammo that is commonly used in AR pistols, so if THATS not restricted then WTF would they restrict 5.45 for?


M855 is specifically exempt, as is M2 AP.


M855 doesn't fit the criteria EITHER is the point, even if it wasn't exempt for military reasons.



It's not exempt for 'military reasons'...


why is m855 exempt?
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why is m855 exempt?
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Originally Posted By 21BoomCBTENGR:
Why is this even a discussion? PMC X-Tac M855 is imported steel core ammo that is commonly used in AR pistols, so if THATS not restricted then WTF would they restrict 5.45 for?


M855 is specifically exempt, as is M2 AP.


M855 doesn't fit the criteria EITHER is the point, even if it wasn't exempt for military reasons.



It's not exempt for 'military reasons'...


why is m855 exempt?



Because it is specifically written into the law as exempt, by name. So is M2 AP.

As to why it was written in? Who knows.
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why is m855 exempt?
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Originally Posted By 21BoomCBTENGR:
Why is this even a discussion? PMC X-Tac M855 is imported steel core ammo that is commonly used in AR pistols, so if THATS not restricted then WTF would they restrict 5.45 for?


M855 is specifically exempt, as is M2 AP.


M855 doesn't fit the criteria EITHER is the point, even if it wasn't exempt for military reasons.



It's not exempt for 'military reasons'...


why is m855 exempt?


Because there was a time when Uncle Sam would sell us his surplus ammo.

That time has passed, but the law remains.
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So it appears that one guy says "X" and it's a lie and a fabrication, another guy says "X" and it's gospel....

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For the record ..until I get this information from a more credible source than a liar and a coward I'm not going to believe it. So put that in your pipe and smoke it
MAC is neither a liar nor a coward. Have you read his blog posting on this?



He was referring to Yeager.
Right... MAC is "the more credible" source


So it appears that one guy says "X" and it's a lie and a fabrication, another guy says "X" and it's gospel....

LOL


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Originally Posted By 21BoomCBTENGR:
Why is this even a discussion? PMC X-Tac M855 is imported steel core ammo that is commonly used in AR pistols, so if THATS not restricted then WTF would they restrict 5.45 for?


M855 is specifically exempt, as is M2 AP.


M855 doesn't fit the criteria EITHER is the point, even if it wasn't exempt for military reasons.



It's not exempt for 'military reasons'...


why is m855 exempt?


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So it appears that one guy says "X" and it's a lie and a fabrication untrustworthy and likely to be yet another hysterical rant, another guy says "X" and it's gospel... accepted as probably true because of his long-established reputation for not being a drama queen with tattoos.

Fixed it for you, OP.
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For the record ..until I get this information from a more credible source than a liar and a coward I'm not going to believe it. So put that in your pipe and smoke it
MAC is neither a liar nor a coward. Have you read his blog posting on this?



He was referring to Yeager.
Right... MAC is "the more credible" source


So it appears that one guy says "X" and it's a lie and a fabrication untrustworthy and likely to be yet another hysterical rant, another guy says "X" and it's gospel... accepted as probably true because of his long-established reputation for not being a drama queen with tattoos.

Fixed it for you, OP.
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Oh really? I doubt you can back that claim up with facts, but irregardless, no matter how you feel about him, it does not make the letter any less real....
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Oh really? I doubt you can back that claim up with facts, but irregardless, no matter how you feel about him, it does not make the letter any less real....
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Originally Posted By skytrooper01:

One of those guys is a modern day Judas



Oh really? I doubt you can back that claim up with facts, but irregardless, no matter how you feel about him, it does not make the letter any less real....


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Originally Posted By skytrooper01:

One of those guys is a modern day Judas



Oh really? I doubt you can back that claim up with facts, but irregardless, no matter how you feel about him, it does not make the letter any less real....


I accept your Challenge

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5.45mm is the diameter of the BORE not the BULLET.

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Originally Posted By juan223:
Originally Posted By skytrooper01:

One of those guys is a modern day Judas



Oh really? I doubt you can back that claim up with facts, but irregardless, no matter how you feel about him, it does not make the letter any less real....


I accept your Challenge

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here ya go, unedited...

The book thats coming out this year, authored by a former Apollo teammate of JY, should prove interesting....



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If OP had not called out the James Yeager posting and instead had just stuck with the MAC posting, this thread might actually be about debunking this rumor and not discussing the shortcomings of James Yeager.
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So how is JY's info any less credible than MAC's?
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So how is JY's info any less credible than MAC's?
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If OP had not called out the James Yeager posting and instead had just stuck with the MAC posting, this thread might actually be about debunking this rumor and not discussing the shortcomings of James Yeager.



So how is JY's info any less credible than MAC's?


James Yeager could post on Facebook "Obama is a douchebag" and GD would suddenly come to Obama's defense and say Yeager was an idiot.

GD is pretty much well trained to immediately respond to anything Yeager says or does with a mixture of and and
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James Yeager could post on Facebook "Obama is a douchebag" and GD would suddenly come to Obama's defense and say Yeager was an idiot.

GD is pretty much well trained to immediately respond to anything Yeager says or does with a mixture of and and
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If OP had not called out the James Yeager posting and instead had just stuck with the MAC posting, this thread might actually be about debunking this rumor and not discussing the shortcomings of James Yeager.



So how is JY's info any less credible than MAC's?


James Yeager could post on Facebook "Obama is a douchebag" and GD would suddenly come to Obama's defense and say Yeager was an idiot.

GD is pretty much well trained to immediately respond to anything Yeager says or does with a mixture of and and



You speak the truth with regards to GD's reaction to JY....
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here ya go, unedited...

The book thats coming out this year, authored by a former Apollo teammate of JY, should prove interesting....

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One of those guys is a modern day Judas



Oh really? I doubt you can back that claim up with facts, but irregardless, no matter how you feel about him, it does not make the letter any less real....


I accept your Challenge

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here ya go, unedited...

The book thats coming out this year, authored by a former Apollo teammate of JY, should prove interesting....

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This book is a little more credible

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The SOT that got the letter wants to bring it in and sell it to you....as they have done in the past with hundreds and hundreds of millions of rounds of various calibers. Unless something changes, they will not be bringing in anymore 5.45 military surplus ammo.

Are you saying that the importer/SOT has conspired to disallow the import of this ammo and thus not make any money on it?

IF ATF takes the same position on SC 545 as they have in the past with SC 762x39, FFLs will not even be able to legally sell the inventory they have on hand..so where is the money in that? You think JY benifits from high ammo prices? His students require ammo, if it is priced too high or unavailable then naturally less folks are gonna train...

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This whole situation feels like a classic pump and dump. Some non-scrupulous ammo dealer more than likely drew up this "letter" to turn over some 5.45 inventory at insane prices. With Ukraine going on, BHO in office and 22LR getting neckbearded everywhere, it won't take much to get the sheep stampeding.

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The SOT that got the letter wants to bring it in and sell it to you....as they have done in the past with hundreds and hundreds of millions of rounds of various calibers. Unless something changes, they will not be bringing in anymore 5.45 military surplus ammo.

Are you saying that the importer/SOT has conspired to disallow the import of this ammo and thus not make any money on it?

IF ATF takes the same position on SC 545 as they have in the past with SC 762x39, FFLs will not even be able to legally sell the inventory they have on hand..so where is the money in that? You think JY benifits from high ammo prices? His students require ammo, if it is priced too high or unavailable then naturally less folks are gonna train...

Use some critical thinking skills people...


Which importer is it exactly?
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Which importer is it exactly?
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Originally Posted By juan223:
Originally Posted By gogetumnow:
This whole situation feels like a classic pump and dump. Some non-scrupulous ammo dealer more than likely drew up this "letter" to turn over some 5.45 inventory at insane prices. With Ukraine going on, BHO in office and 22LR getting neckbearded everywhere, it won't take much to get the sheep stampeding.

Our Price -187% off!






The SOT that got the letter wants to bring it in and sell it to you....as they have done in the past with hundreds and hundreds of millions of rounds of various calibers. Unless something changes, they will not be bringing in anymore 5.45 military surplus ammo.

Are you saying that the importer/SOT has conspired to disallow the import of this ammo and thus not make any money on it?

IF ATF takes the same position on SC 545 as they have in the past with SC 762x39, FFLs will not even be able to legally sell the inventory they have on hand..so where is the money in that? You think JY benifits from high ammo prices? His students require ammo, if it is priced too high or unavailable then naturally less folks are gonna train...

Use some critical thinking skills people...


Which importer is it exactly?



If they were interested in making their name public then it is safe to assume that the whole document would have been posted and not just the lower half...that MAC fellow pretty much backs this up in his post on the matter...
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This book is a little more credible
http://img2.imagesbn.com/p/9781481107181_p0_v1_s260x420.JPG
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again with the 'got nuthin'. gotcha, well at least yer consistent.
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All of the contact information is correct, so maybe not.
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It also looks like complete bullshit. "Thanks"? Really?

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All of the contact information is correct, so maybe not.
Law enforcement and regulatory agencies don't usually talk about crimes or violations without citing statues. It's bullshit.
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Law enforcement and regulatory agencies don't usually talk about crimes or violations without citing statues. It's bullshit.
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It also looks like complete bullshit. "Thanks"? Really?

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All of the contact information is correct, so maybe not.
Law enforcement and regulatory agencies don't usually talk about crimes or violations without citing statues. It's bullshit.



So what are you saying? You feel JY has fabricated this correspondance? If yes, to what end?
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This book is a little more credible
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Originally Posted By skytrooper01:

One of those guys is a modern day Judas



Oh really? I doubt you can back that claim up with facts, but irregardless, no matter how you feel about him, it does not make the letter any less real....


I accept your Challenge

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5KPr53rSe4



here ya go, unedited...

The book thats coming out this year, authored by a former Apollo teammate of JY, should prove interesting....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NphgWi1nUt4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NphgWi1nUt4



This book is a little more credible
http://img2.imagesbn.com/p/9781481107181_p0_v1_s260x420.JPG


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Either this is real, or a 13er deserves a ban.

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I'm not sure why no one else thought to do this...

I just called the ATF import branch and spoke to an "import specialist" who confirmed that 5.45x39 steel core will no longer be approved on form 6.
I asked for some kind of official documentation and she replied that it will be available on their website "soon".
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If they were interested in making their name public then it is safe to assume that the whole document would have been posted and not just the lower half...that MAC fellow pretty much backs this up in his post on the matter...
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Originally Posted By gogetumnow:
This whole situation feels like a classic pump and dump. Some non-scrupulous ammo dealer more than likely drew up this "letter" to turn over some 5.45 inventory at insane prices. With Ukraine going on, BHO in office and 22LR getting neckbearded everywhere, it won't take much to get the sheep stampeding.

Our Price -187% off!






The SOT that got the letter wants to bring it in and sell it to you....as they have done in the past with hundreds and hundreds of millions of rounds of various calibers. Unless something changes, they will not be bringing in anymore 5.45 military surplus ammo.

Are you saying that the importer/SOT has conspired to disallow the import of this ammo and thus not make any money on it?

IF ATF takes the same position on SC 545 as they have in the past with SC 762x39, FFLs will not even be able to legally sell the inventory they have on hand..so where is the money in that? You think JY benifits from high ammo prices? His students require ammo, if it is priced too high or unavailable then naturally less folks are gonna train...

Use some critical thinking skills people...


Which importer is it exactly?



If they were interested in making their name public then it is safe to assume that the whole document would have been posted and not just the lower half...that MAC fellow pretty much backs this up in his post on the matter...


People that sell shit always want to make their name public. Whoever MAC is doesn't really back up with common sense, internet backlash? I would bet the majority of this so called importer's sales would come from the internet. I've received emails through my business from importers trying to get their name out there and sell me a truckload of 5.45x39, 7.62x54, other surplus rounds. I don't see why they would try to hide it in this rumor.

Kind of like the way Ares turned its whole ATF thing into a massive marketing campaign.
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So it appears that one guy says "X" and it's a lie and a fabrication, another guy says "X" and it's gospel....

LOL
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For the record ..until I get this information from a more credible source than a liar and a coward I'm not going to believe it. So put that in your pipe and smoke it
MAC is neither a liar nor a coward. Have you read his blog posting on this?



He was referring to Yeager.
Right... MAC is "the more credible" source


So it appears that one guy says "X" and it's a lie and a fabrication, another guy says "X" and it's gospel....

LOL


Credibility, how does it work?
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So you are saying the letter/email is not from ATF and is in fact a complete fabrication?
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So you are saying the letter/email is not from ATF and is in fact a complete fabrication?


I have an extremely hard time believing otherwise without further credible evidence.

If yes, who do you think fabricated it and what do they stand t gain?


Somebody who stands to benefit from inducing a panic-driven buying frenzy of 5.45mm. There's no shortage of individuals or companies that fit that profile.

So far the only "proof" has been a cellphone picture of a printout of an email supplied by an anonymous but "credible" source to a single blogger. Every other appearance of the letter since then is a repost of that original image or story. There has been NO corroborating evidence or similar cases come forward. That's weaksauce "proof".

Combined with the total objective ineligibility of 7n6 for a ban under either clause of the armor-piercing ammunition definitions in federal statute, I believe this about as far as I can throw Heavy 6.
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It doesn't matter, the panic is apparently already in full swing.

AIM Surplus and USAC are both sold out now.

USAC has a stock quantity counter on their site so they have sold at least 1500 tins since 0800 today.
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Confirmed from the IMPORT BRANCH of the BATFE...Just got off the phone with them....Exact words No more Imports of 5.45x39 Ammo....... Don't hate me as we are OUT OF STOCK ALREADY..... Just delivering the message...
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The

FUCK?




And what was their justification?
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No more imports of the surplus stuff or all 5.45?

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So the NSSF is spinning up a lawsuit to get an injunction, right? Since submitting a pistol in 5.45 doesn't have jack-shit to do with the law.
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So the NSSF is spinning up a lawsuit to get an injunction, right? Since submitting a pistol in 5.45 doesn't have jack-shit to do with the law.
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Somebody submitted a pistol in that caliber to determine if its legal to import.... Just what I heard..Don't take it as Gospel


So the NSSF is spinning up a lawsuit to get an injunction, right? Since submitting a pistol in 5.45 doesn't have jack-shit to do with the law.



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