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the other question is what idiot refers to dynamite as a "high power explosive"?
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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By thewildman:
the other question is what idiot refers to dynamite as a "high power explosive"?
Probably because it's a high explosive.
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Training purposes?
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That's a pretty small order but dynamite is only used commonly for a few things.

ETA: Wow it is real dynamite too, not the substitute typically used.
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the other question is what idiot refers to "high power explosive" as "dynamite"?


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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By thewildman:
the other question is what idiot refers to dynamite as a "high power explosive"?


Dynamite is a high explosive.
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I 1980 is a weird amount I would think they could afford 2000 sticks

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Calibrate chemical sniffers or train explosive dogs?
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19,820: Total number of airports of all types in the USA in 2004. according to USA today.


1980 sticks ordered according to the order, and a specific brand as well.




My money is dog and sensor training.

I also bet it has to be that brand, because it's what they use to calibrate things.
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It's just bulk M1000's for the upcoming 4th of July, nothing to see here.
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I 1980 is a weird amount I would think they could afford 2000 sticks

Know ho I know you didn't read the links.
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Pretty sure it's for the K9 program. You'd think whomever wrote that article might get a clue.
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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By Madcap72:
19,820: Total number of airports of all types in the USA in 2004. according to USA today.


1980 sticks ordered according to the order, and a specific brand as well.




My money is dog and sensor training.

I also bet it has to be that brand, because it's what they use to calibrate things.


There are much cheaper/easier/safer ways to calibrate equipment and train dogs than waving around half pound sticks of high NG content dynamite.
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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By bob1946:
Originally Posted By Madcap72:
19,820: Total number of airports of all types in the USA in 2004. according to USA today.


1980 sticks ordered according to the order, and a specific brand as well.




My money is dog and sensor training.

I also bet it has to be that brand, because it's what they use to calibrate things.


There are much cheaper/easier/safer ways to calibrate equipment and train dogs than waving around half pound sticks of high NG content dynamite.
Pseudo products aren't as good as the real thing. Many agencies have been training with real explosives for a long time. I don't see the need to get one's panties in a bunch over this.
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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By bob1946:


There are much cheaper/easier/safer ways to calibrate equipment and train dogs than waving around half pound sticks of high NG content dynamite.
Field test, whatever...

theory only goes so far.


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As highly restricted as "real" dynamite is, I'm surprised it is seen as a possible threat vs. homemade explosives.
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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By ToyCop:
Originally Posted By bob1946:
Originally Posted By Madcap72:
19,820: Total number of airports of all types in the USA in 2004. according to USA today.


1980 sticks ordered according to the order, and a specific brand as well.




My money is dog and sensor training.

I also bet it has to be that brand, because it's what they use to calibrate things.


There are much cheaper/easier/safer ways to calibrate equipment and train dogs than waving around half pound sticks of high NG content dynamite.
Pseudo products aren't as good as the real thing. Many agencies have been training with real explosives for a long time. I don't see the need to get one's panties in a bunch over this.


It's just real dynamite is a lot less stable than something like C4 or a dynamite substitute. I doubt this is for dogs or calibration due to real dynamites unstable nature. This has to be for the type of training where they detonate explosives. Even just a month of high temperature or high humidity degrades NG based dynamite.
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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By ElectricSheep556:
As highly restricted as "real" dynamite is, I'm surprised it is seen as a possible threat vs. homemade explosives.
Lots of dynamite gets stolen from mining operations every year. TATP and other homegrown stuff is also used for training K9s.
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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By bob1946:
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It's just real dynamite is a lot less stable than something like C4. I doubt this is for dogs or calibration due to real dynamites unstable nature. This has to be for the type of training where they detonate explosives. Even just a month of high temperature or high humidity degrades NG based dynamite.
Are you speaking from experience in the field?
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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By bob1946:
Originally Posted By ToyCop:
Originally Posted By bob1946:
Originally Posted By Madcap72:
19,820: Total number of airports of all types in the USA in 2004. according to USA today.


1980 sticks ordered according to the order, and a specific brand as well.




My money is dog and sensor training.

I also bet it has to be that brand, because it's what they use to calibrate things.


There are much cheaper/easier/safer ways to calibrate equipment and train dogs than waving around half pound sticks of high NG content dynamite.
Pseudo products aren't as good as the real thing. Many agencies have been training with real explosives for a long time. I don't see the need to get one's panties in a bunch over this.


It's just real dynamite is a lot less stable than something like C4. I doubt this is for dogs or calibration due to real dynamites unstable nature. This has to be for the type of training where they detonate explosives. Even just a month of high temperature or high humidity degrades NG based dynamite.
It's the FAA, not TSA that conducts those tests on airframes. I know a few Explosive Security Specialists that work for TSA and they do not handle explosives unless they are training with another agency. They don't have demo days for the bomb guys.
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Calibrate chemical sniffers or train explosive dogs?
or test explosive effects

or test disruptors against real explosives

or other training

It could be a plethora of things.
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Side note: The 3.4 million rounds of ammo is FMJ, and it's enough for the 3,400 air marshals to each have 1,000 training rounds.

I'd say 87% of this forum has more than 1,000 rounds for training.
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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By ZMV:
Side note: The 3.4 million rounds of ammo is FMJ, and it's enough for the 3,400 air marshals to each have 1,000 training rounds.

I'd say 87% of this forum has more than 1,000 rounds for training.
I'd be surprised if over 25% of the active posters owned firearms and shot over 500 rounds a year.
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Its for field testing but they don't store some at every airport most is kept at large or specific airports if needed to test smaller airports they will bring it with the explosives experts to those airports. The ammo has the same purpose probably multiple calibers.
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It's just real dynamite is a lot less stable than something like C4. I doubt this is for dogs or calibration due to real dynamites unstable nature. This has to be for the type of training where they detonate explosives. Even just a month of high temperature or high humidity degrades NG based dynamite.
Are you speaking from experience in the field?


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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By Madcap72:
Originally Posted By ZMV:
Side note: The 3.4 million rounds of ammo is FMJ, and it's enough for the 3,400 air marshals to each have 1,000 training rounds.

I'd say 87% of this forum has more than 1,000 rounds for training.
I'd be surprised if over 25% of the active posters owned firearms and shot over 500 rounds a year.


Shoot more than 500? Probably not.

Own more than 500? Definitely.

You know, why shoot it when you can save it for when something hits something and, um, something goes up... or something?
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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By ZMV:
Originally Posted By Madcap72:
Originally Posted By ZMV:
Side note: The 3.4 million rounds of ammo is FMJ, and it's enough for the 3,400 air marshals to each have 1,000 training rounds.

I'd say 87% of this forum has more than 1,000 rounds for training.
I'd be surprised if over 25% of the active posters owned firearms and shot over 500 rounds a year.


Shoot more than 500? Probably not.

Own more than 500? Definitely.

You know, why shoot it when you can save it for when something hits something and, um, something goes up... or something?


Why is the civilian/cop cop/civilian hate so strong on this website? In the short time I've been reading this site it seems like no thread is complete without both sides taking digs at the other. What has pitted the two sides so vehemently against each other?
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Why is the civilian/cop cop/civilian hate so strong on this website? In the short time I've been reading this site it seems like no thread is complete without both sides taking digs at the other. What has pitted the two sides so vehemently against each other?


This site has a STRONG anti authority streak and those in authority react to that. Both sides have their fans that like to bandwagon when someone posts. You get it just as bad in the opposite direction if you visit some of the many police sites on the net. If I hear "sheepdog" one more time I'm going to puke.
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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By bob1946:
Originally Posted By ZMV:
Originally Posted By Madcap72:
Originally Posted By ZMV:
Side note: The 3.4 million rounds of ammo is FMJ, and it's enough for the 3,400 air marshals to each have 1,000 training rounds.

I'd say 87% of this forum has more than 1,000 rounds for training.
I'd be surprised if over 25% of the active posters owned firearms and shot over 500 rounds a year.


Shoot more than 500? Probably not.

Own more than 500? Definitely.

You know, why shoot it when you can save it for when something hits something and, um, something goes up... or something?


Why is the civilian/cop cop/civilian hate so strong on this website? In the short time I've been reading this site it seems like no thread is complete without both sides taking digs at the other. What has pitted the two sides so vehemently against each other?


What in my post(s) had anything to do with cop v. civilian citizen? I was simply pointing out that 1,000 rounds per person for practice really isn't that much, and I feel people on this forum shoot and/or hoard more than 1,000 rounds. IOW, 3.4 million sounds like a lot, but it's not when you think about it, and it ain't shit compared to how many rounds owned by Arfcom's members.
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My most educated guess would be they need all that Dynermite for a false flsg operstion.
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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By ToyCop:
Originally Posted By bob1946:
Originally Posted By Madcap72:
19,820: Total number of airports of all types in the USA in 2004. according to USA today.


1980 sticks ordered according to the order, and a specific brand as well.




My money is dog and sensor training.

I also bet it has to be that brand, because it's what they use to calibrate things.


There are much cheaper/easier/safer ways to calibrate equipment and train dogs than waving around half pound sticks of high NG content dynamite.
Pseudo products aren't as good as the real thing. Many agencies have been training with real explosives for a long time. I don't see the need to get one's panties in a bunch over this.


But what about the FEMA dynamite camps
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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By bob1946:
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Why is the civilian/cop cop/civilian hate so strong on this website? In the short time I've been reading this site it seems like no thread is complete without both sides taking digs at the other. What has pitted the two sides so vehemently against each other?
WTF are you on about? I wasn't talking about that at all, I was stating an opinion based on another posters opinion. Neither of us were talking about civilians vs anybody... we were talking about a specific demographic, posters on this site and their shooting habits.

The site is comprised of both civilians AND cops.


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My guess would be they are buying it for explosives training, training bomb sniffing dogs, testing equipment along with some scamming for personal resale.

I think a lot of what they order just like any federal agency is being scammed and resold (like ammo). There are a few people at every agency ordering anything they can resell for a fraction of what the taxpayer pays and they are getting very rich from their scamming. Which explains why even the dept of education and even NOAA is now ordering large quantities of ammo.

If we had a non corrupt functioning Congress and or funtioning Justice dept to over see some this spending maybe they would look into this trillion dollar fleecing that is going on....but that won't happen because they are on the take as well.
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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By Desert_AIP:
Calibrate chemical sniffers or train explosive dogs?


Nope.

The explosive vapor detectors and similar "Sniffers" are calibrated to a standard source for each compound that is screened, and in combinations.
Pretty much the same for the Itemisers/ residue detactors.
Both have standardized calibration protocols and manufacturer sourced calibration materials, as part of proceedure.

Randomly shoving a stick of Hercules 80% in the thing to see if it alarms isn't part of it...and I'm guessing the violations would stack up quickly on any TSA snuffie that pulled a stunt like that.

The Dogs are trained and certified on Min. exposure sources.
A 2" length lopped off a stick if Dynamite is still waaay too much, and standardized sources are generally used for the most part.

Dynamite has some unique qualities and uses, but I'm baffled as to what DHS would be using it for, other than demo training shots and that sort of thing.
It's not like they are fixing to do a bunch of Agricultural ditching or something equally obvious on the list of uses.

The only thing I can think of is Forensics, and studys to that end.




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Originally Posted By bob1946:
Originally Posted By Madcap72:
19,820: Total number of airports of all types in the USA in 2004. according to USA today.


1980 sticks ordered according to the order, and a specific brand as well.




My money is dog and sensor training.

I also bet it has to be that brand, because it's what they use to calibrate things.


There are much cheaper/easier/safer ways to calibrate equipment and train dogs than waving around half pound sticks of high NG content dynamite.
Pseudo products aren't as good as the real thing. Many agencies have been training with real explosives for a long time. I don't see the need to get one's panties in a bunch over this.


It's just real dynamite is a lot less stable than something like C4 or a dynamite substitute. I doubt this is for dogs or calibration due to real dynamites unstable nature. This has to be for the type of training where they detonate explosives. Even just a month of high temperature or high humidity degrades NG based dynamite.



Most modern dynamite does not use NG anymore.
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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By ToyCop:
Originally Posted By bob1946:
Originally Posted By ToyCop:
Originally Posted By bob1946:
Originally Posted By Madcap72:
19,820: Total number of airports of all types in the USA in 2004. according to USA today.


1980 sticks ordered according to the order, and a specific brand as well.




My money is dog and sensor training.

I also bet it has to be that brand, because it's what they use to calibrate things.


There are much cheaper/easier/safer ways to calibrate equipment and train dogs than waving around half pound sticks of high NG content dynamite.
Pseudo products aren't as good as the real thing. Many agencies have been training with real explosives for a long time. I don't see the need to get one's panties in a bunch over this.


It's just real dynamite is a lot less stable than something like C4. I doubt this is for dogs or calibration due to real dynamites unstable nature. This has to be for the type of training where they detonate explosives. Even just a month of high temperature or high humidity degrades NG based dynamite.
It's the FAA, not TSA that conducts those tests on airframes. I know a few Explosive Security Specialists that work for TSA and they do not handle explosives unless they are training with another agency. They don't have demo days for the bomb guys.



TSA has the BAO/TSS-E which are demo certified and do have access to explosives. I conduct training with them all the time.

There was been a push to turn them into an actual federal bomb squad available to all federal agencies so customs, DHS, border patrol, etc. can stop beg, borrowing, and stealing bomb squad response assets from everywhere else. As such the TSA guys have been conducting a lot of demo training for the past several years.

Ive cooked peroxide based HME with TSA before, and done tons of demo with them utilizing their own explosives.
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how does one calibrate a dog? If his sniffer is off, do you wind his tail a certain number of times to get back to mechanical zero?
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how does one calibrate a dog? If his sniffer is off, do you wind his tail a certain number of times to get back to mechanical zero?


Put his favorite toy in a box with ever decreasing amounts of stuff you're expecting him to indicate on. When he finds the source, he gets to play.

When he finally gets it reliably, you call the Vet and tell him to cancel the Neutering...

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Calibrate chemical sniffers or train explosive dogs?
or test explosive effects

or test disruptors against real explosives

or other training

It could be a plethora of things.


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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By thewildman:
the other question is what idiot refers to dynamite as a "high power explosive"?
As someone who may or may not have burred a 1/4 stick about 6" deep when I was young, I'm not going to argue with them.


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what's the big deal? there's a lot of crap fed agencies buy all the time.

something with people asking us why we need 30 rd clits and assault rifles
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Dog training,

For the poster above claiming the synthetics and NESTT are used, they suck.

For the poster saying partial sticks are only used, NG dynamite is messy when cut. Besides, the dogs need to work bulk odors.

NG dynamite can be very stable and stored a long time if cared for properly.

Dynamite is still available as NG based. It is the cheapest version of dynamite at less than $3 per stick.

S-28.. Food reward are the motivated dogs.

If I had to guess and it is all going one place, it is for a class, probably for a bulk odor training/ test. It is expensive to ship so you are going to ship to one location for it to be split up and reshipped.

We train with the TSA bomb guys, I have yet to see them demo anything. They do more threat assessment, Xray interpretation and grooming relations with their local squads than actual handling bang.
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Posted: 3/9/2014 8:51:28 AM
K9 program and sensor calibration.

Nothing really sinister. I'm surprised as well I want them to start blowing up luggage that is unclaimed.
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Posted: 3/9/2014 9:34:30 AM
[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By E-Mag:
I 1980 is a weird amount I would think they could afford 2000 sticks




1980 divides evenly by 12; maybe that's the case size.
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Posted: 3/9/2014 10:34:32 AM
[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By Desert_AIP:
Calibrate chemical sniffers or train explosive dogs?


This, they have to change out the old stock with new for the K9 explosive dog teams
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Posted: 3/9/2014 10:37:56 AM
[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By BladedRonin:
Blow up luggage?

Planes with political enemies onboard. Mention a few stolen passports and everyone will be looking elsewhere
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Posted: 3/9/2014 10:38:21 AM
lol
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