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Posted: 3/5/2014 12:26:07 PM EDT
[#1]
Good. No grumpy cat.
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Posted: 3/5/2014 12:27:00 PM EDT
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Wow.
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Posted: 3/5/2014 12:27:12 PM EDT
[#3]
Excellent news!
In case you're not a member of SAF, please join immediately. They are taking an active part in these lawsuits. It's only $150 for a LIFE membership. They need the numbers. |
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Posted: 3/5/2014 12:29:19 PM EDT
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Good for us!!
This will drop off the 1st page in nothing flat. |
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Posted: 3/5/2014 12:30:45 PM EDT
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info on case?
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Posted: 3/5/2014 12:32:03 PM EDT
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Is this the same case as another thread on a similar topic posted within the last few weeks?
Apparently not. That other case is discussed here: http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1592168_Ninth_Circuit_rules_that_carrying_a_firearm_in_public_is_protected_by_the_2nd_amendment.html |
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Posted: 3/5/2014 12:32:35 PM EDT
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Fucking awesome.
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Posted: 3/5/2014 12:34:35 PM EDT
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I wonder if they will attempt to appeal further to the supreme court.
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Posted: 3/5/2014 12:35:22 PM EDT
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Good for CA.
When I must travel into CA, I still carry my FNX-9 fully loaded, with two spare 17rd mags, and a Benchmade Auto Bedlam. I will not comply. |
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Posted: 3/5/2014 12:36:54 PM EDT
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Splendid news...
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Posted: 3/5/2014 12:37:32 PM EDT
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Good for us!! This will drop off the 1st page in nothing flat. Bump.
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Posted: 3/5/2014 12:40:06 PM EDT
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Excellent news! In case you're not a member of SAF, please join immediately. They are taking an active part in these lawsuits. It's only $150 for a LIFE membership. They need the numbers. +1 I became a LIFE member after Sandy Hook, when I saw the cost was only $150. SAF sent me a nice plaque with my name on it. |
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Posted: 3/5/2014 12:40:30 PM EDT
[#13]
Nice.
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Posted: 3/5/2014 12:40:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is this the same case as another thread on a similar topic posted within the last few weeks? Apparently not. That other case is discussed here: http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1592168_Ninth_Circuit_rules_that_carrying_a_firearm_in_public_is_protected_by_the_2nd_amendment.html It's a VERY significant victory, especially in California and almost certainly for those in Hawaii as well (where CCW is effective no-issue) I think the end is in sight for may-issue systems.
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Posted: 3/5/2014 12:41:32 PM EDT
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Not as good as you'd think.
Incorporation of the amendments is not favorable. All they are doing is strengthening the authority of the federal govt. The constitution is a power limiting document, not a power granting. The more authority given to the fed then the more power. What the fed govt givith then they thus have the power to taketh away. 2nd should be followed as intended. To ensure that the fed can make no laws limiting firearm ownership. It then falls to the state and local govt to rule as their guiding documents and people dictate. You have to watch out when you celebrate this kind of federal "victory" it is highly likely to not go in your favor in the future. It is still legislative action from the courts. Not good. |
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Posted: 3/5/2014 12:42:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nope. But this reaffirms that case, and makes it more likely to hold up if reviewed en-blanc. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Is this the same case as another thread on a similar topic posted within the last few weeks? Apparently not. That other case is discussed here: http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1592168_Ninth_Circuit_rules_that_carrying_a_firearm_in_public_is_protected_by_the_2nd_amendment.html It's a VERY significant victory, especially in California and almost certainly for those in Hawaii as well (where CCW is effective no-issue) I think the end is in sight for may-issue systems. Best news I've heard all day.  I still believe there shouldn't be a requirement for carrying a gun. |
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Posted: 3/5/2014 12:43:42 PM EDT
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I can't read either.
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Posted: 3/5/2014 12:44:42 PM EDT
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Good for us!! This will drop off the 1st page in nothing flat. |
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Posted: 3/5/2014 12:45:31 PM EDT
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Libs may faint:
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Posted: 3/5/2014 12:46:25 PM EDT
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beat by 5 minutes...I type too slow apparently
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Posted: 3/5/2014 12:47:27 PM EDT
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Nope. But this reaffirms that case, and makes it more likely to hold up if reviewed en-blanc. It's a VERY significant victory, especially in California and almost certainly for those in Hawaii as well (where CCW is effective no-issue) I think the end is in sight for may-issue systems. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Is this the same case as another thread on a similar topic posted within the last few weeks? Apparently not. That other case is discussed here: http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1592168_Ninth_Circuit_rules_that_carrying_a_firearm_in_public_is_protected_by_the_2nd_amendment.html It's a VERY significant victory, especially in California and almost certainly for those in Hawaii as well (where CCW is effective no-issue) I think the end is in sight for may-issue systems. Yeah I agree.. each one of these separate victories build up more case law making it harder to overturn. Also, with the current makeup of the Supreme Court it is unlikely they will even take it up - so that is good for them. |
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Posted: 3/5/2014 12:47:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wow. |
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Posted: 3/5/2014 12:47:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not as good as you'd think. Incorporation of the amendments is not favorable. All they are doing is strengthening the authority of the federal govt. The constitution is a power limiting document, not a power granting. The more authority given to the fed then the more power. What the fed govt givith then they thus have the power to taketh away. 2nd should be followed as intended. To ensure that the fed can make no laws limiting firearm ownership. It then falls to the state and local govt to rule as their guiding documents and people dictate. You have to watch out when you celebrate this kind of federal "victory" it is highly likely to not go in your favor in the future. It is still legislative action from the courts. Not good. and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. The 14th amendment took power away from the states. I wouldn't go so far as to call it legislative action from the courts. |
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Posted: 3/5/2014 12:48:02 PM EDT
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IWB holsters for flintlocks inbound?
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Posted: 3/5/2014 12:51:52 PM EDT
[#25]
my SAF lifetime dollars at work
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Posted: 3/5/2014 12:52:36 PM EDT
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Why the fuck dont we hear about the NRA doing this shit, they have way more money, yet some fucking podunk little grass roots in Bellevue Washington is responsible for almost all of our 2nd amendment victories in the last decade.
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Posted: 3/5/2014 12:53:09 PM EDT
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Excellent news! In case you're not a member of SAF, please join immediately. They are taking an active part in these lawsuits. It's only $150 for a LIFE membership. They need the numbers. |
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Posted: 3/5/2014 12:56:55 PM EDT
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IWB holsters for flintlocks inbound? 
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Posted: 3/5/2014 12:58:26 PM EDT
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Why the fuck dont we hear about the NRA doing this shit, they have way more money, yet some fucking podunk little grass roots in Bellevue Washington is responsible for almost all of our 2nd amendment victories in the last decade. shhhhh.... chess..... |
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Posted: 3/5/2014 1:00:48 PM EDT
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shhhhh.... chess..... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why the fuck dont we hear about the NRA doing this shit, they have way more money, yet some fucking podunk little grass roots in Bellevue Washington is responsible for almost all of our 2nd amendment victories in the last decade. shhhhh.... chess..... I didn't mean to detract from the awesome work SAF does, but sheesh youd think the NRA would be better equipped in terms of funding to pursue these things. |
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Posted: 3/5/2014 1:00:59 PM EDT
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IIRC, Peruta was a 2-1 decision.
Nice to see that the dissent there is willing to follow the Peruta decision. |
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Posted: 3/5/2014 1:01:15 PM EDT
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Yolo county?
Methinks the 9th Circuit is just trolling.
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Posted: 3/5/2014 1:04:43 PM EDT
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Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. The 14th amendment took power away from the states. I wouldn't go so far as to call it legislative action from the courts. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Not as good as you'd think. Incorporation of the amendments is not favorable. All they are doing is strengthening the authority of the federal govt. The constitution is a power limiting document, not a power granting. The more authority given to the fed then the more power. What the fed govt givith then they thus have the power to taketh away. 2nd should be followed as intended. To ensure that the fed can make no laws limiting firearm ownership. It then falls to the state and local govt to rule as their guiding documents and people dictate. You have to watch out when you celebrate this kind of federal "victory" it is highly likely to not go in your favor in the future. It is still legislative action from the courts. Not good. The 14th amendment took power away from the states. I wouldn't go so far as to call it legislative action from the courts. Correct to my knowledge as well. States are losing their abilities to keep us disarmed. This does not mean the feds decide. |
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Posted: 3/5/2014 1:06:12 PM EDT
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I didn't mean to detract from the awesome work SAF does, but sheesh youd think the NRA would be better equipped in terms of funding to pursue these things. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why the fuck dont we hear about the NRA doing this shit, they have way more money, yet some fucking podunk little grass roots in Bellevue Washington is responsible for almost all of our 2nd amendment victories in the last decade. shhhhh.... chess..... I didn't mean to detract from the awesome work SAF does, but sheesh youd think the NRA would be better equipped in terms of funding to pursue these things. Ommm, the NRA paid for this one, which was first and arguable most important: |
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Posted: 3/5/2014 1:07:25 PM EDT
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Why the fuck dont we hear about the NRA doing this shit, they have way more money, yet some fucking podunk little grass roots in Bellevue Washington is responsible for almost all of our 2nd amendment victories in the last decade. shhhhh.... chess..... I didn't mean to detract from the awesome work SAF does, but sheesh youd think the NRA would be better equipped in terms of funding to pursue these things. Ommm, the NRA paid for this one, which was first and arguable most important: How about heller, and mcdonald which are arguably MORE important in establishing precedent. |
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Posted: 3/5/2014 1:08:50 PM EDT
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Not as good as you'd think. Incorporation of the amendments is not favorable. All they are doing is strengthening the authority of the federal govt. The constitution is a power limiting document, not a power granting. The more authority given to the fed then the more power. What the fed govt givith then they thus have the power to taketh away. 2nd should be followed as intended. To ensure that the fed can make no laws limiting firearm ownership. It then falls to the state and local govt to rule as their guiding documents and people dictate. You have to watch out when you celebrate this kind of federal "victory" it is highly likely to not go in your favor in the future. It is still legislative action from the courts. Not good. They have this think called the 14th Ammendment now, you should read it: All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. |
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Posted: 3/5/2014 1:11:37 PM EDT
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The Richards case was argued at the same time, and to the same panel, that earlier decided Peruta v. County of San Diego |
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Posted: 3/5/2014 1:14:03 PM EDT
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How about heller, and mcdonald which are arguably MORE important in establishing precedent. True, however asserting the NRA is not present in the battle is not true, which is what I was pointing out. |
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Posted: 3/5/2014 1:14:34 PM EDT
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On our way to Shall Issue. Smaller counties will likely have even looser quals.
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Posted: 3/5/2014 1:15:15 PM EDT
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Splendid news... |
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Posted: 3/5/2014 1:15:32 PM EDT
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Fucking awesome. Don't you mean "goose-fucking awesome?"
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Posted: 3/5/2014 1:18:12 PM EDT
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shhhhh.... chess..... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why the fuck dont we hear about the NRA doing this shit, they have way more money, yet some fucking podunk little grass roots in Bellevue Washington is responsible for almost all of our 2nd amendment victories in the last decade. shhhhh.... chess..... The NRA has taken to quietly backing lawsuits lately. I know that is what they have been doing with the NY suit. Perhaps they see the value in keeping a low profile in these cases, because the left tends to scream "OMG it's the evil NRA gun lobby!" every chance they get. |
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Posted: 3/5/2014 1:19:58 PM EDT
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Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. The 14th amendment took power away from the states. I wouldn't go so far as to call it legislative action from the courts. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Not as good as you'd think. Incorporation of the amendments is not favorable. All they are doing is strengthening the authority of the federal govt. The constitution is a power limiting document, not a power granting. The more authority given to the fed then the more power. What the fed govt givith then they thus have the power to taketh away. 2nd should be followed as intended. To ensure that the fed can make no laws limiting firearm ownership. It then falls to the state and local govt to rule as their guiding documents and people dictate. You have to watch out when you celebrate this kind of federal "victory" it is highly likely to not go in your favor in the future. It is still legislative action from the courts. Not good. The 14th amendment took power away from the states. I wouldn't go so far as to call it legislative action from the courts. This is not true - otherwise the 2nd A would have been incorporated upon ratification of the 14th A. Additionally, the 14th A did not prevent recent laws that have been enacted in New York, Connecticut or Colorado. Original intent is the only thing that matters when it comes to privileges and immunities. Be careful what you ask for because a bullet button and ten round magazines will be in your future when the next Nancy Pelosi is Speaker of the House. |
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Posted: 3/5/2014 1:20:07 PM EDT
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The Richards case was argued at the same time, and to the same panel, that earlier decided Peruta v. County of San Diego, a similar case challenging overly-restrictive carry license policies. Yolo County and Sheriff Prieto argued that their policies were distinguishable from those struck down in Peruta, but apparently, the three-judge panel unanimously disagreed. LOL |
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Posted: 3/5/2014 1:20:22 PM EDT
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Why the fuck dont we hear about the NRA doing this shit, they have way more money, yet some fucking podunk little grass roots in Bellevue Washington is responsible for almost all of our 2nd amendment victories in the last decade. They do seem to be resting on their laurels as far as court cases go. That's why I only sign up for five years at a time. I let my membership slide for a couple of years after they went silent on McCain-Feingold. I let them know they pissed me off then critiqued their weak reply to my position with a "no sale" result. I did re-up during Heller, and they did a fine job in the aftermath of Newtown as well. |
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Posted: 3/5/2014 1:23:28 PM EDT
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Awesome. Just re-upped as well.
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Posted: 3/5/2014 1:23:47 PM EDT
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I want to make a donation to Calguns to help make this fight. But before I do and being a Yankee I have never heard of them, I want to make sure they are good to go and worth giving money to. I assume the answer is yes. But want to hear for sure.
EDIT: I have given to the SAF and will do again this time around as well. |
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Posted: 3/5/2014 1:24:33 PM EDT
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Alan Gottlieb is a case winning machine.
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Posted: 3/5/2014 1:25:38 PM EDT
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Congrats to those in the fight.
Would love to see all of cali armed and ready. TXL |
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Posted: 3/5/2014 1:28:49 PM EDT
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This from the 9th Circus?
Hell has frozen over. |
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