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dude. none of that shit applies in syria. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Absolutely. This is an 81mm, which means it isnt that common. It is a battalion level weapon. Some observer with a little bit of authority in the corporation probably saw a mob of a dozen FSA all bunched up and rather than fire an AK thought that this was a good mortar target. That's why trained troops spread out and move in small groups. If you wound the first guy it usually slows them down as they do casevac and firing a couple more rounds can really ruin their day. Yodeling over a corpse when the mortar crew has the deflection and the range is a bad idea, if you are concerned about longevity. A good 81mm crew can fire about 6-10 rounds in a minute. Simple as dropping the round down the pipe. If it took brains they wouldnt let the infantry have it. Maybe the shooters were short of ammo. Perhaps they saw these guys walk through gap in the wall and just lobbed one blind over the building. dude. none of that shit applies in syria. Dude, Sure as hell does. Go back to the video, and then click on the long version. The 44 minute one. Not a lot of high explosive flying around. Go to the 40 minute mark. Watch the last five minutes or so and look at the context of what is going on. These guys are walking down a road, with a wall with gaps in it to their right. They are running through the gaps as if they think they are observed from the Syrian Army psns. They run behind a building, the nice shiny SUV came in from the other direction, and someone lobbed an 81mm into the crowd. My guess is a black SUV may not be that common in Aleppo and it drew some fire. If all you did was watch the two minute video, yeah, I get your POV. Doesnt take a PhD in astrophysics to save your ammo until you get a good target. Didnt sound in the 44 min video that there was a lot of mortar fire in this engagement. |
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Dude, Sure as hell does. Go back to the video, and then click on the long version. The 44 minute one. Not a lot of high explosive flying around. Go to the 40 minute mark. Watch the last five minutes or so and look at the context of what is going on. These guys are walking down a road, with a wall with gaps in it to their right. They are running through the gaps as if they think they are observed from the Syrian Army psns. They run behind a building, the nice shiny SUV came in from the other direction, and someone lobbed an 81mm into the crowd. My guess is a black SUV may not be that common in Aleppo and it drew some fire. If all you did was watch the two minute video, yeah, I get your POV. Doesnt take a PhD in astrophysics to save your ammo until you get a good target. Didnt sound in the 44 min video that there was a lot of mortar fire in this engagement. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Absolutely. This is an 81mm, which means it isnt that common. It is a battalion level weapon. Some observer with a little bit of authority in the corporation probably saw a mob of a dozen FSA all bunched up and rather than fire an AK thought that this was a good mortar target. That's why trained troops spread out and move in small groups. 81mm mortar is what an 81mm mortar team has. This could be as common as 10 per company or 1 per division. Its like saying a PKM is a platoon level weapon. It simply is. You can't match the weapon to some imaginary sized unit probably not even in use. If you wound the first guy it usually slows them down as they do casevac and firing a couple more rounds can really ruin their day. Yodeling over a corpse when the mortar crew has the deflection and the range is a bad idea, if you are concerned about longevity. So how many rounds were fired? Maybe they know they fire one and thats it. Sure seems like thats what happened. A good 81mm crew can fire about 6-10 rounds in a minute. And clearly they weren't dealing with that, again, did that like like an FFE? Simple as dropping the round down the pipe. If it took brains they wouldnt let the infantry have it. Maybe the shooters were short of ammo. Perhaps they saw these guys walk through gap in the wall and just lobbed one blind over the building. ds.Or maybe it was In'Sh allah. However, the failure to unsass the impact area clearly didn't matter as there was no follow on rounds dude. none of that shit applies in syria. Dude, Sure as hell does. Go back to the video, and then click on the long version. The 44 minute one. Not a lot of high explosive flying around. Go to the 40 minute mark. Watch the last five minutes or so and look at the context of what is going on. These guys are walking down a road, with a wall with gaps in it to their right. They are running through the gaps as if they think they are observed from the Syrian Army psns. They run behind a building, the nice shiny SUV came in from the other direction, and someone lobbed an 81mm into the crowd. My guess is a black SUV may not be that common in Aleppo and it drew some fire. If all you did was watch the two minute video, yeah, I get your POV. Doesnt take a PhD in astrophysics to save your ammo until you get a good target. Didnt sound in the 44 min video that there was a lot of mortar fire in this engagement. |
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Go back to indirect fires school.
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That was in the back of my mind. I was very skeptical that Syrians use 81s. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Go back to indirect fires school. The Syrian Army uses Russian 82mm mortars. That was in the back of my mind. I was very skeptical that Syrians use 81s. The Russians have 50mm, 82mm, and 120mm mortar systems. There is a Chinese version of our 60mm system which may be over there, I'm not sure. |
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Notice how when Achmed died the first thing his battle buddy did was mount him and tried to fuck him.
What part of London is this anyway? Looks filthy. There really are 72 virgins when you get to Allahland. What they don't tell you is there is 72 total, so when you blow yourself up you have to wait on line. |
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ya, looks like the back end of the car (and his head) took direct blast damage. I think a nother mortar hits a couple seconds before the video ends.
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Assad should invite that mortar crew over to his house for dinner.
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Those mortar frags were inshallah as fuck. Someone pressed the "smite" button.
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Absolutely. This is an 81mm, which means it isnt that common. It is a battalion level weapon. Some observer with a little bit of authority in the corporation probably saw a mob of a dozen FSA all bunched up and rather than fire an AK thought that this was a good mortar target. That's why trained troops spread out and move in small groups. 81mm mortar is what an 81mm mortar team has. This could be as common as 10 per company or 1 per division. Its like saying a PKM is a platoon level weapon. It simply is. You can't match the weapon to some imaginary sized unit probably not even in use. If you wound the first guy it usually slows them down as they do casevac and firing a couple more rounds can really ruin their day. Yodeling over a corpse when the mortar crew has the deflection and the range is a bad idea, if you are concerned about longevity. So how many rounds were fired? Maybe they know they fire one and thats it. Sure seems like thats what happened. A good 81mm crew can fire about 6-10 rounds in a minute. And clearly they weren't dealing with that, again, did that like like an FFE? Simple as dropping the round down the pipe. If it took brains they wouldnt let the infantry have it. Maybe the shooters were short of ammo. Perhaps they saw these guys walk through gap in the wall and just lobbed one blind over the building. ds.Or maybe it was In'Sh allah. However, the failure to unsass the impact area clearly didn't matter as there was no follow on rounds dude. none of that shit applies in syria. Dude, Sure as hell does. Go back to the video, and then click on the long version. The 44 minute one. Not a lot of high explosive flying around. Go to the 40 minute mark. Watch the last five minutes or so and look at the context of what is going on. These guys are walking down a road, with a wall with gaps in it to their right. They are running through the gaps as if they think they are observed from the Syrian Army psns. They run behind a building, the nice shiny SUV came in from the other direction, and someone lobbed an 81mm into the crowd. My guess is a black SUV may not be that common in Aleppo and it drew some fire. If all you did was watch the two minute video, yeah, I get your POV. Doesnt take a PhD in astrophysics to save your ammo until you get a good target. Didnt sound in the 44 min video that there was a lot of mortar fire in this engagement. You usually have some really good things to post on this board, but right now you are mailing it in. 81mm mortar is what an 81mm mortar team has. This could be as common as 10 per company or 1 per division. Its like saying a PKM is a platoon level weapon. It simply is. You can't match the weapon to some imaginary sized unit probably not even in use That is not an accurate statement. The Syrian Arab Army is modeled after the Soviet Army. They have an estimated 200 PM-37 82mm mortars, whch are Russian models based on the French 81mm Brandt.Two minutes of google-fu will lead you here: http://www.armyrecognition.com/syria_syrian_army_military_land_ground_forces_uk/syria_syrian_army_land_ground_armed_forces_military_equipment_armored_vehicle_intelligence_pictures.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equipment_of_the_Syrian_Army http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_Army Syrian Army has about a dozen mech infantry brigades. 200 82mms mean these weapons are about as common in the Syrian Army as they are in the US Army, or most other regular armies. This is straight IPB. If you think they have been resupplied and are running 10 82mms per company, please show proof as to who thinks that. Whether it was a random shot or not, doesn't matter because we will never know the answer. Why you think the Syrian army can't handle a task like this is your call. We can agree to disgree. Really not that big a deal. The rarity of an 82mm should tell you if this was random, it was very much so. |
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That is not how they are fighting. They aren't using standard anything at this point. Was that Hez b'allah? syrian national defense force or one of the other dozen plus identified pro-assad militias? Using cold war era IPB with 1:50,000 opfor templates is sofa king. Again, if you want to apply regular army standards, you have a mortar team which successfully identified a HVT target with multiple MAMs ranged them and engaged successfully first round on target. and then stopped firing after one round. no normal mortar team is going to do that. you can say I am mailing it in, but the facts of the video don't back up your assertion, but they support mine. |
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yeah wow on the bursting radius. So if you are walking around and that drops near by its just your time? vehicle windows look intact. View Quote My guess is that this guy took a piece of shrapnel in the back of the head. There's a reason why helmets are the most important piece of body armor there is. |
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The Russians have 50mm, 82mm, and 120mm mortar systems. There is a Chinese version of our 60mm system which may be over there, I'm not sure. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Go back to indirect fires school. The Syrian Army uses Russian 82mm mortars. That was in the back of my mind. I was very skeptical that Syrians use 81s. The Russians have 50mm, 82mm, and 120mm mortar systems. There is a Chinese version of our 60mm system which may be over there, I'm not sure. The Iranians have a domestically produced 81mm mortar IIRC. It may be in use there, but it was probably a Russian 82mm if it was an 80mm class mortar. I guess it could be a NATO standard 81mm though given all the shit finding its way to Syria however. |
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So where did these goat fuckers get the multicam from? View Quote I would assume the internet, same as the rest of us. If it makes you feel any better there is a good chance that a lot of their gear is probably chinese knock off crap with shitty Russian inserts (if any) shoved into it. |
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Let me guess because- because less than 50 is within the random dispersal size of the mortars rounds? (I don't know what they call it, I worked on radars in the army) What are these increments anyway? Mils, meters...? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Drop 10, fire for effect... Never use an increment less than 50, your mortar crew will just laugh at you. Let me guess because- because less than 50 is within the random dispersal size of the mortars rounds? (I don't know what they call it, I worked on radars in the army) What are these increments anyway? Mils, meters...? Deflection( left,right) is in mills and is no less that 30 the range( add,drop) is in meters. ETA: well you can call in smaller increments but that's to register or a destruction mission. |
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SUVs were never intended to absorb/delfect fragmentation projectiles. |
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I know their OOB. That is not how they are fighting. They aren't using standard anything at this point. Was that Hez b'allah? syrian national defense force or one of the other dozen plus identified pro-assad militias? Using cold war era IPB with 1:50,000 opfor templates is sofa king. Again, if you want to apply regular army standards, you have a mortar team which successfully identified a HVT target with multiple MAMs ranged them and engaged successfully first round on target. and then stopped firing after one round. no normal mortar team is going to do that. you can say I am mailing it in, but the facts of the video don't back up your assertion, but they support mine. View Quote What are you asserting, precisely? Yesterday you said there could be as many as ten 82mms in a company. Or one in a division. Seeing as they used to be 200 in the whole Army, yeah, I am saying the idea of that assertion is false. I dont know of a whole lot of terrorist or irregular units that have bigger indirect fire TO&Es then regular army. Do you? I am saying there were not that many mortars on the SAA side. I assume they dont have the resupply of a US unit. They saw 10-15 pax moving from left to right. Two SUVs moving right to left. All met behind a building. From the camera angles that could have been dead space. The mortar crew did an inshallah and fired one round, looks like deflection was good but range was long. They had no way to adjust and didnt FFE and left it at that. If they had been luckier and guessed better they could have dropped it a little shorter. As it was they inshalla'd a frag into this HVTs head. I do not think this was H&I, as 82mms arent common, and they werent throwing alot of rounds around in the course of this 44 min vid. It was lucky but not totally random. Im not sure what you are asserting other than this is Syria and it is just random as rules dont apply. We probably arent disagreeing about all that much. Cant really prove or disprove much of anything, so its not that interesting a topic. |
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Let me guess because- because less than 50 is within the random dispersal size of the mortars rounds? (I don't know what they call it, I worked on radars in the army) What are these increments anyway? Mils, meters...? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Drop 10, fire for effect... Never use an increment less than 50, your mortar crew will just laugh at you. Let me guess because- because less than 50 is within the random dispersal size of the mortars rounds? (I don't know what they call it, I worked on radars in the army) What are these increments anyway? Mils, meters...? Meters, and it's an area weapon. If you're less than 50 meters from where you want it to hit you just FFE and the spread will get them. |
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What are you asserting, precisely? Yesterday you said there could be as many as ten 82mms in a company. Or one in a division. Seeing as they used to be 200 in the whole Army, yeah, I am saying the idea of that assertion is false. I dont know of a whole lot of terrorist or irregular units that have bigger indirect fire TO&Es then regular army. Do you? I am saying there were not that many mortars on the SAA side. I assume they dont have the resupply of a US unit. They saw 10-15 pax moving from left to right. Two SUVs moving right to left. All met behind a building. From the camera angles that could have been dead space. The mortar crew did an inshallah and fired one round, looks like deflection was good but range was long. They had no way to adjust and didnt FFE and left it at that. If they had been luckier and guessed better they could have dropped it a little shorter. As it was they inshalla'd a frag into this HVTs head. I do not think this was H&I, as 82mms arent common, and they werent throwing alot of rounds around in the course of this 44 min vid. It was lucky but not totally random. Im not sure what you are asserting other than this is Syria and it is just random as rules dont apply. We probably arent disagreeing about all that much. Cant really prove or disprove much of anything, so its not that interesting a topic. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I know their OOB. That is not how they are fighting. They aren't using standard anything at this point. Was that Hez b'allah? syrian national defense force or one of the other dozen plus identified pro-assad militias? Using cold war era IPB with 1:50,000 opfor templates is sofa king. Again, if you want to apply regular army standards, you have a mortar team which successfully identified a HVT target with multiple MAMs ranged them and engaged successfully first round on target. and then stopped firing after one round. no normal mortar team is going to do that. you can say I am mailing it in, but the facts of the video don't back up your assertion, but they support mine. What are you asserting, precisely? Yesterday you said there could be as many as ten 82mms in a company. Or one in a division. Seeing as they used to be 200 in the whole Army, yeah, I am saying the idea of that assertion is false. I dont know of a whole lot of terrorist or irregular units that have bigger indirect fire TO&Es then regular army. Do you? I am saying there were not that many mortars on the SAA side. I assume they dont have the resupply of a US unit. They saw 10-15 pax moving from left to right. Two SUVs moving right to left. All met behind a building. From the camera angles that could have been dead space. The mortar crew did an inshallah and fired one round, looks like deflection was good but range was long. They had no way to adjust and didnt FFE and left it at that. If they had been luckier and guessed better they could have dropped it a little shorter. As it was they inshalla'd a frag into this HVTs head. I do not think this was H&I, as 82mms arent common, and they werent throwing alot of rounds around in the course of this 44 min vid. It was lucky but not totally random. Im not sure what you are asserting other than this is Syria and it is just random as rules dont apply. We probably arent disagreeing about all that much. Cant really prove or disprove much of anything, so its not that interesting a topic. Your point that 82mm is a bn level asset. it could well be a squad level asset with how the syrians are operating. standard MTOEs and OOB are notwithstanding in Syria. |
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Why are they blacking out faces? So they won't lose their jobs at the 7-11. Gee O_P im sooooo glad I chose to take a big slurp of coffee right before I got to your post. Now I gotta change work shirts and clean my monitor and keyboard. Thanks! On a related note, that's the funniest post of the week for sure. |
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