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Posted: 2/13/2014 12:44:33 PM EDT
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Neither would the nuke plants. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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For all that land and money wasted on a plant that only produces 392 MW, 2 small nuke plants could be built that produce a little over 500 mW 24 hours a day. This one won't melt down, rendering the area uninhabitable for thousands of years. Neither would the nuke plants. They have before, it can happen again. Any design that uses steam, can , and given enough of a chance, will fail. Don't underestimate the ubiquity of human error. |
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Posted: 2/13/2014 12:49:04 PM EDT
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This one won't melt down, rendering the area uninhabitable for thousands of years. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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For all that land and money wasted on a plant that only produces 392 MW, 2 small nuke plants could be built that produce a little over 500 mW 24 hours a day. This one won't melt down, rendering the area uninhabitable for thousands of years. depending on the design of the nuke plant, they wouldn't either. there are several designs that can't melt down, and many other designs that would scram, flooding the vessel with boron which would shut it down. built correctly, a nuke is the safest way to produce a lot of electricity. |
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Posted: 2/13/2014 12:49:29 PM EDT
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They have before, it can happen again. Any design that uses steam, can , and given enough of a chance, will fail. Don't underestimate the ubiquity of human error. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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For all that land and money wasted on a plant that only produces 392 MW, 2 small nuke plants could be built that produce a little over 500 mW 24 hours a day. This one won't melt down, rendering the area uninhabitable for thousands of years. Neither would the nuke plants. They have before, it can happen again. Any design that uses steam, can , and given enough of a chance, will fail. Don't underestimate the ubiquity of human error. they don't have to use steam. |
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Posted: 2/13/2014 12:53:10 PM EDT
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Hate to see a beautiful desert all polluted with all that man-made crap.
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Posted: 2/13/2014 12:54:23 PM EDT
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There's the source of global warming, right there.
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Posted: 2/13/2014 12:58:58 PM EDT
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Wonder what the actual output of the plant is...not the listed one I bet.
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Posted: 2/13/2014 12:58:59 PM EDT
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chart mentions "new generation" plants. That is intended to make unconventional compare to unconventional, not compare it with old generation existing tech.
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Posted: 2/13/2014 1:03:28 PM EDT
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For comparison, Joseph M. Farley Nuclear plant about 100 miles from where I sit, generates about 1.6 gigawatts nonstop rain, sleet, or snow,
on about 53% of the land (1850 acres versus 3500) and has been doing so since about 1978. Cool design, but I still think for baseline power, nukes give more thrusts per squeeze.
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Posted: 2/13/2014 1:07:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This one won't melt down, rendering the area uninhabitable for thousands of years. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: For all that land and money wasted on a plant that only produces 392 MW, 2 small nuke plants could be built that produce a little over 500 mW 24 hours a day. This one won't melt down, rendering the area uninhabitable for thousands of years.  |
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Posted: 2/13/2014 1:10:13 PM EDT
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This one won't melt down, rendering the area uninhabitable for thousands of years. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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For all that land and money wasted on a plant that only produces 392 MW, 2 small nuke plants could be built that produce a little over 500 mW 24 hours a day. This one won't melt down, rendering the area uninhabitable for thousands of years. Oh go 13 yourself, you 13'ing 13'er. |
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Posted: 2/13/2014 1:21:29 PM EDT
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All I can think of is what an ugly blight on that prestine landscape. Almost as ugly as a wind farm.
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Posted: 2/13/2014 1:22:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: All I can think of is what an ugly blight on that prestine landscape. Almost as ugly as a wind farm. I'll say it less ugly than an open coal mine.
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Posted: 2/13/2014 1:24:19 PM EDT
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I'd like to see a study of the GHG footprint to build this thing and for the designed life time. Not some biased "The science is settled." crock of crap either.
A thorough, scientific peer reviewed study. |
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Posted: 2/13/2014 1:25:51 PM EDT
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I'm gonna need more paper towels. |
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Posted: 2/13/2014 1:29:35 PM EDT
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how much power does it generate at night....when people are in those homes? As was said the energy is usually stored in molten salt which has a real low energy transfer loss to store for night time consumption. If the consumption goes above available energy stores, they pull the power from somewhere else on the grid. |
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Posted: 2/13/2014 1:30:59 PM EDT
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Neither would the nuke plants. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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For all that land and money wasted on a plant that only produces 392 MW, 2 small nuke plants could be built that produce a little over 500 mW 24 hours a day. This one won't melt down, rendering the area uninhabitable for thousands of years. Neither would the nuke plants. It will not run at night or on cloudy days either. This concept has been worked on for 30 years, by the way. It could only have been built by a socialist government totally unaccountable for using (throwing away) tax payer's money. 
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Posted: 2/13/2014 1:33:12 PM EDT
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Future archeologists are going to have a field day with that site. Yeah, sorting through the huge pile of roasted birds below the tower, according to the WSJ this morning. |
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Posted: 2/13/2014 1:33:19 PM EDT
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For all that land and money wasted on a plant that only produces 392 MW, 2 small nuke plants could be built that produce a little over 500 mW 24 hours a day. This one won't melt down, rendering the area uninhabitable for thousands of years. I'm not arguing that meltdown is a legitimate concern for a nuke plant, but I will say that comparing a meltdown to an atomic bomb detonation is asinine. |
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Posted: 2/13/2014 1:33:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Seriously? If so that is fucking impressive. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: ok whats the cost per MW and how many guys with wetwipes does it take to clean the panels off after a duststorm There aren't just dust storms out there - My dad once drove through a SAND storm in that area. It stripped about 80% of his car down to bare steel. Half of the windows were so frosted you couldn't see anything through them. Seriously? If so that is fucking impressive. It was a 1963 VW Karmann-Ghia with original 2-tone green paint. He bought the car when his divorce from his first wife (alimony + child support) forced him to sell his Porsche and live in a 16-foot travel trailer. The VW was not capable of towing the trailer, which was parked in the Convair employee RV lot for $5 per month. (People weren't supposed to actually live in their RVs, but dad leveraged his clout as a World War II veteran with the guard staff.) It had a lot of miles on the engine, so my dad had some cheap replacement windows installed. He took the car to Earl Scheib and had it painted taxi cab yellow for $129.95 or whatever Scheib was charging for their crappy paint jobs at the time. It got rear-ended about a year later, and was totaled. He bought a 1970 Beetle, which I dented up a few times while learning not to drive like a knucklehead. |
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Posted: 2/13/2014 1:36:56 PM EDT
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Let's derail this bitch....
Wtf is "the I-15" Call I-15 or interstate 15 damnit. There is no "the". |
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Posted: 2/13/2014 1:37:33 PM EDT
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I'll say it less ugly than an open coal mine. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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All I can think of is what an ugly blight on that prestine landscape. Almost as ugly as a wind farm. I'll say it less ugly than an open coal mine. At least a coal mine will eventually be mined out and reclaimed for other land use, for example elk habitat. We should presume that a site like this would continue to be used in this way indefinitely, since there is no mineral to deplete. |
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Posted: 2/13/2014 1:37:39 PM EDT
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This one won't melt down, rendering the area uninhabitable for thousands of years. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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For all that land and money wasted on a plant that only produces 392 MW, 2 small nuke plants could be built that produce a little over 500 mW 24 hours a day. This one won't melt down, rendering the area uninhabitable for thousands of years.  wow
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Posted: 2/13/2014 1:37:54 PM EDT
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I'll say it less ugly than an open coal mine. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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All I can think of is what an ugly blight on that prestine landscape. Almost as ugly as a wind farm. I'll say it less ugly than an open coal mine. It's only temporary. Laws and regulations have ended the old time "strip it and run" practices. Sufficient funds are required to be placed in a trust as mining progresses so the operators can't fly by night and leave land unreclaimed. My past employer had an award citing their successful reclamation from back when the Bureau of Mines still existed. It's not new technology Just 2 examples of many reclaimed surface mines. |
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Posted: 2/13/2014 1:38:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm not arguing that meltdown is a legitimate concern for a nuke plant, but I will say that comparing a meltdown to an atomic bomb detonation is asinine. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: For all that land and money wasted on a plant that only produces 392 MW, 2 small nuke plants could be built that produce a little over 500 mW 24 hours a day. This one won't melt down, rendering the area uninhabitable for thousands of years. I'm not arguing that meltdown is a legitimate concern for a nuke plant, but I will say that comparing a meltdown to an atomic bomb detonation is asinine. have released huge amounts of radiation into the world, including our own southwest. There are health effects absolutely. I understand that. But it won't be the end of the world.
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Posted: 2/13/2014 1:38:38 PM EDT
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As was said the energy is usually stored in molten salt which has a real low energy transfer loss to store for night time consumption. If the consumption goes above available energy stores, they pull the power from somewhere else on the grid. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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how much power does it generate at night....when people are in those homes? As was said the energy is usually stored in molten salt which has a real low energy transfer loss to store for night time consumption. If the consumption goes above available energy stores, they pull the power from somewhere else on the grid. Bullshit. So, you are saying they store heat in liquid salt which stays hot enough all night to keep the plant running (bullshit) and if they need to, they can pull power from someplace else (where ferries and unicorns live) on the grid. Good luck when inclimate weather hits for a week or two. So...functionally, they still need on demand sources like coal or nukes and those sources are not switch on/off sources...you have to keep them running full time, so you are gaining nothing with the super salt power as you could just use the nuke/coal/gas that is running anyway. Awesome logic. |
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Posted: 2/13/2014 1:39:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: As was said the energy is usually stored in molten salt which has a real low energy transfer loss to store for night time consumption. If the consumption goes above available energy stores, they pull the power from somewhere else on the grid. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: how much power does it generate at night....when people are in those homes? As was said the energy is usually stored in molten salt which has a real low energy transfer loss to store for night time consumption. If the consumption goes above available energy stores, they pull the power from somewhere else on the grid. |
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Posted: 2/13/2014 1:43:16 PM EDT
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Applying for a job as tower operator....
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Posted: 2/13/2014 1:46:42 PM EDT
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This one won't melt down, rendering the area uninhabitable for thousands of years. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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For all that land and money wasted on a plant that only produces 392 MW, 2 small nuke plants could be built that produce a little over 500 mW 24 hours a day. This one won't melt down, rendering the area uninhabitable for thousands of years. And the last time this happened in America was when? |
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Posted: 2/13/2014 1:48:07 PM EDT
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Similar designs have been around for decades. This one is just the biggest ever. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That's such a simplistic and genuinely cool design. Why the hell hasn't someone done this sooner? Similar designs have been around for decades. This one is just the biggest ever. Yeah, I saw a 3-2-1 Contact episode for this like forever ago. |
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Posted: 2/13/2014 1:49:16 PM EDT
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Applying for a job as tower operator.... http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/dam/assets/120502035809-nr-mom-arrested-for-tanning-trip-00011024-story-top.jpg I would insert a kill it with fire or nuke from orbit meme but it looks like those failed.. |
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Posted: 2/13/2014 1:49:48 PM EDT
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Bullshit. So, you are saying they store heat in liquid salt which stays hot enough all night to keep the plant running (bullshit) and if they need to, they can pull power from someplace else (where ferries and unicorns live) on the grid. Good luck when inclimate weather hits for a week or two. So...functionally, they still need on demand sources like coal or nukes and those sources are not switch on/off sources...you have to keep them running full time, so you are gaining nothing with the super salt power as you could just use the nuke/coal/gas that is running anyway. Awesome logic. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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how much power does it generate at night....when people are in those homes? As was said the energy is usually stored in molten salt which has a real low energy transfer loss to store for night time consumption. If the consumption goes above available energy stores, they pull the power from somewhere else on the grid. Bullshit. So, you are saying they store heat in liquid salt which stays hot enough all night to keep the plant running (bullshit) and if they need to, they can pull power from someplace else (where ferries and unicorns live) on the grid. Good luck when inclimate weather hits for a week or two. So...functionally, they still need on demand sources like coal or nukes and those sources are not switch on/off sources...you have to keep them running full time, so you are gaining nothing with the super salt power as you could just use the nuke/coal/gas that is running anyway. Awesome logic. All of the electrical grid is tied together (including this one). You may recall this was a big deal with Enron raping consumers by purchasing available electricity in quantity, then selling it back for profit during peak hours in early 2000's specifically in California. The molten salt is just a form of storage for excess energy created above demand during the day. The energy, which is heat, is used to power electricity generating turbines. I didn't see anything that said it was molten salt either, but it was the cheapest and most efficient storage method at one time for solar energy transfer IIRC. |
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Posted: 2/13/2014 1:50:59 PM EDT
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For all that land and money wasted on a plant that only produces 392 MW, 2 small nuke plants could be built that produce a little over 500 mW 24 hours a day. This one won't melt down, rendering the area uninhabitable for thousands of years. And the last time this happened in America was when? And I just noticed my mistake, 2 small plants produce over 1000 MWh. Oops |
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Posted: 2/13/2014 1:52:13 PM EDT
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Hope it doesn't hail.....................  In the desert?
There's one of these plants along the 15 between Barstow and the NV line. When that thing is fired up the target is as bright as the sun. |
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Posted: 2/13/2014 1:53:20 PM EDT
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All of the electrical grid is tied together (including this one). You may recall this was a big deal with Enron raping consumers by purchasing available electricity in quantity, then selling it back for profit during peak hours in early 2000's specifically in California. The molten salt is just a form of storage for excess energy created above demand during the day. The energy, which is heat, is used to power electricity generating turbines. I didn't see anything that said it was molten salt either, but it was the cheapest and most efficient storage method at one time for solar energy transfer IIRC. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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how much power does it generate at night....when people are in those homes? As was said the energy is usually stored in molten salt which has a real low energy transfer loss to store for night time consumption. If the consumption goes above available energy stores, they pull the power from somewhere else on the grid. Bullshit. So, you are saying they store heat in liquid salt which stays hot enough all night to keep the plant running (bullshit) and if they need to, they can pull power from someplace else (where ferries and unicorns live) on the grid. Good luck when inclimate weather hits for a week or two. So...functionally, they still need on demand sources like coal or nukes and those sources are not switch on/off sources...you have to keep them running full time, so you are gaining nothing with the super salt power as you could just use the nuke/coal/gas that is running anyway. Awesome logic. All of the electrical grid is tied together (including this one). You may recall this was a big deal with Enron raping consumers by purchasing available electricity in quantity, then selling it back for profit during peak hours in early 2000's specifically in California. The molten salt is just a form of storage for excess energy created above demand during the day. The energy, which is heat, is used to power electricity generating turbines. I didn't see anything that said it was molten salt either, but it was the cheapest and most efficient storage method at one time for solar energy transfer IIRC. You're wrong. FedDC is an expert... On everything. |
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Posted: 2/13/2014 1:56:38 PM EDT
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You're wrong. FedDC is an expert... On everything. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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how much power does it generate at night....when people are in those homes? As was said the energy is usually stored in molten salt which has a real low energy transfer loss to store for night time consumption. If the consumption goes above available energy stores, they pull the power from somewhere else on the grid. Bullshit. So, you are saying they store heat in liquid salt which stays hot enough all night to keep the plant running (bullshit) and if they need to, they can pull power from someplace else (where ferries and unicorns live) on the grid. Good luck when inclimate weather hits for a week or two. So...functionally, they still need on demand sources like coal or nukes and those sources are not switch on/off sources...you have to keep them running full time, so you are gaining nothing with the super salt power as you could just use the nuke/coal/gas that is running anyway. Awesome logic. All of the electrical grid is tied together (including this one). You may recall this was a big deal with Enron raping consumers by purchasing available electricity in quantity, then selling it back for profit during peak hours in early 2000's specifically in California. The molten salt is just a form of storage for excess energy created above demand during the day. The energy, which is heat, is used to power electricity generating turbines. I didn't see anything that said it was molten salt either, but it was the cheapest and most efficient storage method at one time for solar energy transfer IIRC. You're wrong. FedDC is an expert... On everything. Well that's depressing. I guess I should give up. |
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Posted: 2/13/2014 1:59:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: All of the electrical grid is tied together (including this one). You may recall this was a big deal with Enron raping consumers by purchasing available electricity in quantity, then selling it back for profit during peak hours in early 2000's specifically in California. The molten salt is just a form of storage for excess energy created above demand during the day. The energy, which is heat, is used to power electricity generating turbines. I didn't see anything that said it was molten salt either, but it was the cheapest and most efficient storage method at one time for solar energy transfer IIRC. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: how much power does it generate at night....when people are in those homes? As was said the energy is usually stored in molten salt which has a real low energy transfer loss to store for night time consumption. If the consumption goes above available energy stores, they pull the power from somewhere else on the grid. Bullshit. So, you are saying they store heat in liquid salt which stays hot enough all night to keep the plant running (bullshit) and if they need to, they can pull power from someplace else (where ferries and unicorns live) on the grid. Good luck when inclimate weather hits for a week or two. So...functionally, they still need on demand sources like coal or nukes and those sources are not switch on/off sources...you have to keep them running full time, so you are gaining nothing with the super salt power as you could just use the nuke/coal/gas that is running anyway. Awesome logic. All of the electrical grid is tied together (including this one). You may recall this was a big deal with Enron raping consumers by purchasing available electricity in quantity, then selling it back for profit during peak hours in early 2000's specifically in California. The molten salt is just a form of storage for excess energy created above demand during the day. The energy, which is heat, is used to power electricity generating turbines. I didn't see anything that said it was molten salt either, but it was the cheapest and most efficient storage method at one time for solar energy transfer IIRC. You are incorrectly assuming they built this plant with storage. Nothing I find alludes to that at all so you have a part time generation.
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Posted: 2/13/2014 2:07:13 PM EDT
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Let's derail this bitch.... Wtf is "the I-15" Call I-15 or interstate 15 damnit. There is no "the". The Long 15 is back under Brotherhood of Steel patrol? They probably will make some attempt to take the plant back eventually. |
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Posted: 2/13/2014 2:07:22 PM EDT
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It's about 40-miles south of Vegas off of the I-15. I thought it looked familiar, I passed by those things last November. I don't think that they get much rain/snow/hail there, it's bone dry there 95% of the year. |
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Posted: 2/13/2014 2:09:25 PM EDT
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Yes the grid is tied together but if you have an unreliable source such as this you must have readily available replacement power or you will have an unstable grid. Therefore you save very little in actual traditional sources of power. You are incorrectly assuming they built this plant with storage. Nothing I find alludes to that at all so you have a part time generation. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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As was said the energy is usually stored in molten salt which has a real low energy transfer loss to store for night time consumption. If the consumption goes above available energy stores, they pull the power from somewhere else on the grid. Bullshit. So, you are saying they store heat in liquid salt which stays hot enough all night to keep the plant running (bullshit) and if they need to, they can pull power from someplace else (where ferries and unicorns live) on the grid. Good luck when inclimate weather hits for a week or two. So...functionally, they still need on demand sources like coal or nukes and those sources are not switch on/off sources...you have to keep them running full time, so you are gaining nothing with the super salt power as you could just use the nuke/coal/gas that is running anyway. Awesome logic. All of the electrical grid is tied together (including this one). You may recall this was a big deal with Enron raping consumers by purchasing available electricity in quantity, then selling it back for profit during peak hours in early 2000's specifically in California. The molten salt is just a form of storage for excess energy created above demand during the day. The energy, which is heat, is used to power electricity generating turbines. I didn't see anything that said it was molten salt either, but it was the cheapest and most efficient storage method at one time for solar energy transfer IIRC. You are incorrectly assuming they built this plant with storage. Nothing I find alludes to that at all so you have a part time generation. Which is the reason for the grid. Diverting energy to where it is needed and taking high loads off of other electricity producing facilities. I guess you could have 100% consumption from this source first to lower demand on other more traditional sources. If they have no problem consuming all of the energy produced, guess storage isn't a consideration. All of this green energy (solar, wind, wave generation, etc...) is supposed to have the potential to support only 10- 15% of demand as of now (with today's technology IIRC). I'm a fan of the new nuclear stuff too. |
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Posted: 2/13/2014 2:10:53 PM EDT
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I think I saw this while playing Fallout: New Vegas. Can it be used as a deathray to blow up Hoover Dam?
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Posted: 2/13/2014 2:13:02 PM EDT
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This one won't melt down, rendering the area uninhabitable for thousands of years. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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For all that land and money wasted on a plant that only produces 392 MW, 2 small nuke plants could be built that produce a little over 500 mW 24 hours a day. This one won't melt down, rendering the area uninhabitable for thousands of years. JFC.. teeners. |
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Posted: 2/13/2014 2:13:21 PM EDT
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http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/19fkeawf225b6jpg/ku-xlarge.jpg Awwww come on, its only the most expensive energy source out there. But it's freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! You know, because it comes from the Sun!
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Posted: 2/13/2014 2:14:12 PM EDT
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This one won't melt down, rendering the area uninhabitable for thousands of years. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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For all that land and money wasted on a plant that only produces 392 MW, 2 small nuke plants could be built that produce a little over 500 mW 24 hours a day. This one won't melt down, rendering the area uninhabitable for thousands of years. 13er Knew without looking! Way to maintain the class average Charlie! |
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Posted: 2/13/2014 2:14:51 PM EDT
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I would like this to work but
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Posted: 2/13/2014 2:15:44 PM EDT
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They have before, it can happen again. Any design that uses steam, can , and given enough of a chance, will fail. Don't underestimate the ubiquity of human error. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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For all that land and money wasted on a plant that only produces 392 MW, 2 small nuke plants could be built that produce a little over 500 mW 24 hours a day. This one won't melt down, rendering the area uninhabitable for thousands of years. Neither would the nuke plants. They have before, it can happen again. Any design that uses steam, can , and given enough of a chance, will fail. Don't underestimate the ubiquity of human error. They? What? A total of two? Some retard soviet plant and another retard Japanese plant built next to the ocean where a tsunami hit it? If it's out of the way of any seismic activity, the risk would be very very low. It would be even lower if we'd invest in LFTRs. |
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Posted: 2/13/2014 2:18:02 PM EDT
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It would SEEM like these are a good idea for desert location. Relatively cheap components, no chemicals or other components that are hazardous, no byproducts - if they can be built for relatively cheap then I'm all for it.
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Posted: 2/13/2014 2:22:41 PM EDT
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They only need to build 889 more of them to power all the homes in CA. They should start tearing down existing homes and start building more solar farms,eventually there will be no more private residences and the solar farms will power all the .gov buildings !! |
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Posted: 2/13/2014 2:23:08 PM EDT
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All I can think of is what an ugly blight on that prestine landscape. Almost as ugly as a wind farm. I'll say it less ugly than an open coal mine. As other posters have said... yes they are ugly while in the process... but I have been on some reclaimed coal mines in southern Indiana. You could never tell they were mines... Whats going to happen to that site when it fails? I sure it will be "RECLAIMED"....
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Posted: 2/13/2014 2:28:46 PM EDT
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This one won't melt down, rendering the area uninhabitable for thousands of years. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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For all that land and money wasted on a plant that only produces 392 MW, 2 small nuke plants could be built that produce a little over 500 mW 24 hours a day. This one won't melt down, rendering the area uninhabitable for thousands of years. If you're using sarcasm, please let us know beforehand. If you're being serious, please go shoot yourself. You're part of the problem. 
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Posted: 2/13/2014 2:34:49 PM EDT
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They have before, it can happen again. Any design that uses steam, can , and given enough of a chance, will fail. Don't underestimate the ubiquity of human error. Ummm, you do realize these are fairly simple STEAM powered turbines right? the top of the tower is in essence an inside out boiler, the mirrors when in flux heat the black part of the tower(boiler) generating steam that powers the turbine generating electricity. Ivanpah does not use SALT for energy storage. |
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