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Posted: 1/24/2014 5:20:03 AM EDT
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Saw it this morning. Fantastic column.
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Posted: 1/24/2014 5:20:42 AM EDT
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This.
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Posted: 1/24/2014 5:27:10 AM EDT
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Saw it this morning. Fantastic column. From reading your post history, I'm surprised by your comment. I agree, the column is excellent. |
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Posted: 1/24/2014 5:32:57 AM EDT
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It's certainly true. The social conservatives are the true believers.
So is the concept of the "libertarian revolution" in our ranks a good thing or not? |
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Posted: 1/24/2014 5:34:01 AM EDT
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coastal, unchurched 18 year olds Texas Gulf coast checking in. GTFO of my bedroom. Government should get out of the marriage business altogether. Also stop paying to kill babies. |
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Posted: 1/24/2014 5:34:24 AM EDT
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NO NO No. We that hold any type of traditional values are what is wrong with this country. Every problem with the US is our fault.
Everyone knows that the GLTB crowd is the epitome of righteousness. The Pro Abortion crowd has the moral superiority over everything. Everyone knows that |
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Posted: 1/24/2014 5:34:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: NO NO No. We that hold any type of traditional values are what is wrong with this country. Every problem with the US is our fault. Everyone knows that the GLTB crowd is the epitome of righteousness. The Pro Abortion crowd is has the moral superiority over everything. Everyone knows that You mean LGBTQAIA. Check your privilege.
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Posted: 1/24/2014 5:35:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: From reading your post history, I'm surprised by your comment. I agree, the column is excellent. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Saw it this morning. Fantastic column. From reading your post history, I'm surprised by your comment. I agree, the column is excellent. I'm surprised that you're surprised.
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Posted: 1/24/2014 5:38:46 AM EDT
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" Coastal libertarians are not the base of the Republican Party. They don’t man phone banks (sorry for being gender normative there), they don’t conduct block walks, they don’t even usually run for office. They can’t even build a viable movement in their own states. They tend to just tell the rest of us why we’re wrong, when we’re doing those organizational things that make the party tick and give it some power. The lectures are getting old."
Bingo - for the most part, they don't do dick other than run their suckholes - taking pot shots at whomever the GOP is running, while not saying jack about the Dems... I don't doubt that Gary Johnson is probably a good man - BUT, he didn't do jack shit to get himself nominated, let alone elected... I mean, really - did he even campaign AT ALL??? And don't even get me started about that senile old fuckstick, traitor supporting Ron Paul - the people that supported that dipshit need to choke themselves... IMO, *most* of the people here claiming to be "libertarians" are actually moby piece of shit, 5th columnist liberals... - georgestrings |
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Posted: 1/24/2014 5:38:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's certainly true. The social conservatives are the true believers. So is the concept of the "libertarian revolution" in our ranks a good thing or not? The libertarians have some good, valid points. Unfortunately, so many of them seem hell bent on slamming their ideology (the points we DISagree on) down our throats, rather then emphasizing where we do agree. I hope that made sense.  Nick |
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Posted: 1/24/2014 5:41:21 AM EDT
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Since Roe vs Wade 50,000,000 million unborn children have been murdered,that's more than Stalin,Hitler,Mao,and other despotic tyrannical dictators have murdered COMBINED
 . It makes me sick to think that in this country people care more about their damn pets I.e. PETA,ASPCA,and whatever other animal "rights" assclown groups are out there!  . Wake up America! How many of those children could have been the next Mozart,Beethoven,Chopin,Einstein, etc?
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Posted: 1/24/2014 5:41:29 AM EDT
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Mark my words: Without the core organization, finances, manpower and ideological support that social conservatives provide to the broadly defined Right, support which the libertarians can never provide just because the numbers aren’t there, what’s left of the Right will end up as gravel embedded in the road to serfdom. Don’t say you weren’t warned. He's right. If we don't do it their way, and only their way, the way that has been so successful as of late, we're going to be gravel on the road to serfdom. |
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Posted: 1/24/2014 5:43:57 AM EDT
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If only Romney had been elected, or McCain before him.... we'd be well along the path to greatness already.
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Posted: 1/24/2014 5:45:22 AM EDT
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The only use I have for social conservatives lies in the fact that they are the enemy of my enemy.
Social conservatives are just as wrong about marriage (and many other issues) as the lefties are and that article is full of misconceptions and false portrayals. The author does make some valid point though. |
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Posted: 1/24/2014 5:45:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:we're going to be gravel on the road to serfdom. Serfs worked less for their masters. The only right you have that they didn't is you can move. However all land is owned by the government so it doesn't matter. Lol, "Conservative." "Liberal." "Representative government" Gross. |
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Posted: 1/24/2014 5:51:03 AM EDT
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The only use I have for social conservatives lies in the fact that they are the enemy of my enemy. Social conservatives are just as wrong about marriage (and many other issues) as the lefties are and that article is full of misconceptions and false portrayals. The author does make some valid point though. I'm a Republican because I'm pro-business, pro-military and pro-gun. I don't care how much weed somebody smokes in their off time, and I don't feel like teh gheyz are a threat to my own freedoms in any way. While I don't like abortion itself, I don't think it is a hill I want to die on, and the pessimistic side of me doesn't want to interrupt political adversaries while they're willingly reducing their own numbers. Of course, I also believe that the US Military is stronger overall due to their (admittedly socially conservative) principles, so it's hard for me to pick a side and stick with it there. |
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Posted: 1/24/2014 5:51:28 AM EDT
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You mean LGBTQAIA. Check your privilege. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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NO NO No. We that hold any type of traditional values are what is wrong with this country. Every problem with the US is our fault. Everyone knows that the GLTB crowd is the epitome of righteousness. The Pro Abortion crowd is has the moral superiority over everything. Everyone knows that You mean LGBTQAIA. Check your privilege. yeah I always get that confused |
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Posted: 1/24/2014 5:51:45 AM EDT
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IMO, *most* of the people here claiming to be "libertarians" are actually moby piece of shit, 5th columnist liberals... you should name names! |
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Posted: 1/24/2014 5:51:45 AM EDT
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Great blog. I really liked the way he explained that libertarianism could be a tool to divide and conquer the Right. In the end we need to focus on what we agree on, not disagree on.
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Posted: 1/24/2014 5:53:25 AM EDT
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I live by my core values, what I refuse to do is attempt to apply my values to others. That would be morally wrong of me.
The question I have is why do so many ARFCOMMERS feel they are surrendering some of their values to others. If you have a problem with something and it violates your core principles, don't do it. Quit worrying about other people so much. You will be much happier. I know...I can't believe you didn't think of that either. |
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Posted: 1/24/2014 5:55:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm a Republican because I'm pro-business, pro-military and pro-gun. I don't care how much weed somebody smokes in their off time, and I don't feel like teh gheyz are a threat to my own freedoms in any way. While I don't like abortion itself, I don't think it is a hill I want to die on, and the pessimistic side of me doesn't want to interrupt political adversaries while they're willingly reducing their own numbers. Im against social-conservatives because I am for the murder of those who do not contribute to the mighty state. Undesirables must be ripped out of their womb. The unfit must be sterilized via government provided birth control. Long live the state, death to the weak. Wait…… I mean MY BODY MY CHOICE!!!!
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Posted: 1/24/2014 5:56:20 AM EDT
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Im against social-conservatives because I am for the murder of those who do not contribute to the mighty state. Undesirables must be ripped out of their womb. The unfit must be sterilized via government provided birth control. Long live the state, death to the weak. Wait…… I mean MY BODY MY CHOICE!!!! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm a Republican because I'm pro-business, pro-military and pro-gun. I don't care how much weed somebody smokes in their off time, and I don't feel like teh gheyz are a threat to my own freedoms in any way. While I don't like abortion itself, I don't think it is a hill I want to die on, and the pessimistic side of me doesn't want to interrupt political adversaries while they're willingly reducing their own numbers. Im against social-conservatives because I am for the murder of those who do not contribute to the mighty state. Undesirables must be ripped out of their womb. The unfit must be sterilized via government provided birth control. Long live the state, death to the weak. Wait…… I mean MY BODY MY CHOICE!!!! Do this, but in your PAKI TAPE style. Please.
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Posted: 1/24/2014 5:56:48 AM EDT
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Since Roe vs Wade 50,000,000 million unborn children have been murdered,that's more than Stalin,Hitler,Mao,and other despotic tyrannical dictators have murdered COMBINED . It makes me sick to think that in this country people care more about their damn pets I.e. PETA,ASPCA,and whatever other animal "rights" assclown groups are out there! . Wake up America! How many of those children could have been the next Mozart,Beethoven,Chopin,Einstein, etc?Justin Bieber is today's Mozart and you're wanting 25 million more of him
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Posted: 1/24/2014 5:57:45 AM EDT
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Im against social-conservatives because I am for the murder of those who do not contribute to the mighty state. Undesirables must be ripped out of their womb. The unfit must be sterilized via government provided birth control. Long live the state, death to the weak. Wait…… I mean MY BODY MY CHOICE!!!! I decided a long time ago that I was against abortion and I knew that day that I personally would never get one. |
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Posted: 1/24/2014 5:59:06 AM EDT
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Great blog. I really liked the way he explained that libertarianism could be a tool to divide and conquer the Right. In the end we need to focus on what we agree on, not disagree on. No. |
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Posted: 1/24/2014 5:59:40 AM EDT
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I decided a long time ago that I was against abortion and I knew that day that I personally would never get one. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Im against social-conservatives because I am for the murder of those who do not contribute to the mighty state. Undesirables must be ripped out of their womb. The unfit must be sterilized via government provided birth control. Long live the state, death to the weak. Wait…… I mean MY BODY MY CHOICE!!!! I decided a long time ago that I was against abortion and I knew that day that I personally would never get one. yeah, but you're going to get one of them gay marriages, right? |
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Posted: 1/24/2014 5:59:49 AM EDT
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Serfs worked less for their masters. The only right you have that they didn't is you can move. However all land is owned by the government so it doesn't matter. Lol, "Conservative." "Liberal." "Representative government" Gross. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted:we're going to be gravel on the road to serfdom. Serfs worked less for their masters. The only right you have that they didn't is you can move. However all land is owned by the government so it doesn't matter. Lol, "Conservative." "Liberal." "Representative government" Gross. Mind blown...
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Posted: 1/24/2014 6:00:13 AM EDT
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I am so glad the Social Conservatives are president now
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Posted: 1/24/2014 6:03:25 AM EDT
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I live by my core values, what I refuse to do is attempt to apply my values to others. That would be morally wrong of me. The question I have is why do so many ARFCOMMERS feel they are surrendering some of their values to others. If you have a problem with something and it violates your core principles, don't do it. Quit worrying about other people so much. You will be much happier. I know...I can't believe you didn't think of that either. THIS. |
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Posted: 1/24/2014 6:04:07 AM EDT
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I'm surprised that you're surprised. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Saw it this morning. Fantastic column. From reading your post history, I'm surprised by your comment. I agree, the column is excellent. I'm surprised that you're surprised. this |
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Posted: 1/24/2014 6:05:33 AM EDT
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Well reading the tea leaves, it seems that a good portion of the GOP believes that a legitimate role of government is enforcing a certain cultural values is more important than actually cutting government. I wonder how well this will turn out.
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Posted: 1/24/2014 6:06:33 AM EDT
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yeah, but you're going to get one of them gay marriages, right? I was going to start selling them in my store, but I can't find a wholesale distributor. I think my prices would be too high if I tried to resell after buying at list price. 
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Posted: 1/24/2014 6:07:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: yeah, but you're going to get one of them gay marriages, right? I married two minorities. So my children benefit the diversity of the state. Glory to diversity. Glory to the state. Death to the inferior. Abortions for the unfit. Sterilize the weak. Ahem… I mean "Keep the government out my bedroom!"
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Posted: 1/24/2014 6:08:16 AM EDT
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TL;DR
cliff notes?
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Posted: 1/24/2014 6:08:31 AM EDT
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Texas Gulf coast checking in. GTFO of my bedroom. Government should get out of the marriage business altogether. Also stop paying to kill babies. Quote HistoryQuoted:
coastal, unchurched 18 year olds Texas Gulf coast checking in. GTFO of my bedroom. Government should get out of the marriage business altogether. Also stop paying to kill babies. To be fair they only got into the marriage business to force the gay marriage issue. |
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Posted: 1/24/2014 6:08:33 AM EDT
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"Paki tape style" is a thing now?
Some sort of schism is already occurring. I don't know that it can be stopped. I guess since I don't care if gays can marry or not, and think that weed should be de-scheduled and controlled by the states, it makes me one of the libertarians. I'm pro-life, pro gun, pro-defense, and anti-welfare and anti-amnesty though. I don't know if I belong in the GOP. Since the GOP cares more about ideology than winning elections, I don't think it matters much. Just hoping we survive Hilary, and a true conservative leader comes along before I die. |
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Posted: 1/24/2014 6:08:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well reading the tea leaves, it seems that a good portion of the GOP believes that a legitimate role of government is enforcing a certain cultural values is more important than actually cutting government. I wonder how well this will turn out. |
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Posted: 1/24/2014 6:09:02 AM EDT
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Oh I don't think the social conservative crowd should surrender on everything just those things that are contrary to the Constitution. Like standing before your God, friends, and family to declaring your undying commitment to another consenting adult.
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Posted: 1/24/2014 6:09:45 AM EDT
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Great article.
My core beliefs are just that. Don't agree with me? I don't care. |
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Posted: 1/24/2014 6:10:09 AM EDT
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Since when does "don't make stupid statements on hot button issues" mean surrender your core values?
 If Social Conservatives can be confused that easily they certainly should not be elected to represent anyone.It is a dumb article by dumb social conservatives who need to take a page from the Democrat handbook on discussing gun control and STFU! Most Dems have learned not to poke the sleeping bear of gun control by staying quiet about it. But everyone here knows they are still going to vote for the gun control. What happens when Feinstein gets on the news talking about gun control? It rallies the second amendment supporters to take action. Social Conservatives yelling about abortion, marriage, or sex are no different than Feinstein poking the bear on gun control. The end result is they have motivated their opposition and gain no new supporters.
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Posted: 1/24/2014 6:11:02 AM EDT
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Hillary 2016 sure as shit Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Well reading the tea leaves, it seems that a good portion of the GOP believes that a legitimate role of government is enforcing a certain cultural values is more important than actually cutting government. I wonder how well this will turn out. yep yep |
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Posted: 1/24/2014 6:12:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hillary 2016 sure as shit Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Well reading the tea leaves, it seems that a good portion of the GOP believes that a legitimate role of government is enforcing a certain cultural values is more important than actually cutting government. I wonder how well this will turn out. |
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Posted: 1/24/2014 6:13:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well reading the tea leaves, it seems that a good portion of the GOP believes that a legitimate role of government is enforcing a certain cultural values is more important than actually cutting government. I wonder how well this will turn out. |
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Posted: 1/24/2014 6:13:08 AM EDT
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Hillary 2016 sure as shit Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Well reading the tea leaves, it seems that a good portion of the GOP believes that a legitimate role of government is enforcing a certain cultural values is more important than actually cutting government. I wonder how well this will turn out. Would you vote for Hillary over a social conservative? |
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Posted: 1/24/2014 6:14:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Would you vote for Hillary over a social conservative? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Well reading the tea leaves, it seems that a good portion of the GOP believes that a legitimate role of government is enforcing a certain cultural values is more important than actually cutting government. I wonder how well this will turn out. Would you vote for Hillary over a social conservative? |
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Posted: 1/24/2014 6:14:54 AM EDT
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In the end what we believe in is inconsequential and we are only along for the ride, which is why I continue to look at homes in Costa Rica and work on my Spanish. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Well reading the tea leaves, it seems that a good portion of the GOP believes that a legitimate role of government is enforcing a certain cultural values is more important than actually cutting government. I wonder how well this will turn out. why costa rica? I hear belize is nice on the radio
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Posted: 1/24/2014 6:15:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Millions of humans each year are denied their constitutional rights and the libertarians are upset when the only good and honorable people left in this country stand up and say it is wrong and fight against it. They are untermensch they deserve only abortion. Errrr I mean…… Life doesn't begin at conception!
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Posted: 1/24/2014 6:15:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't vote D Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Well reading the tea leaves, it seems that a good portion of the GOP believes that a legitimate role of government is enforcing a certain cultural values is more important than actually cutting government. I wonder how well this will turn out. Would you vote for Hillary over a social conservative? |
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Posted: 1/24/2014 6:16:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You realize this is the party founded on ending slavery right? You can huff and puff all you want but the party was founded on a social issue platform. Millions of humans each year are denied their constitutional rights and the libertarians are upset when the only good and honorable people left in this country stand up and say it is wrong and fight against it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Well reading the tea leaves, it seems that a good portion of the GOP believes that a legitimate role of government is enforcing a certain cultural values is more important than actually cutting government. I wonder how well this will turn out. |
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Posted: 1/24/2014 6:17:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Great article. My core beliefs are just that. Don't agree with me? I don't care. If you do not brow beat the public with your own core beliefs does that mean you have surrendered them? That's the whole basis of the article. If the social conservatives can't make a scene then they can't vote in support of their core beliefs. That's whole lot of . How about social conservatives just not poke the bear on hot button issues? That's all that people are asking.
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