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Posted: 10/24/2013 8:32:49 PM EDT
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Yes
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Posted: 10/24/2013 8:32:54 PM EDT
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Tell me more about snakes with poison.
Cyanide? |
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Posted: 10/24/2013 8:33:29 PM EDT
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Depends on the snake. And person. Their size, general health, etc.
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Posted: 10/24/2013 8:34:01 PM EDT
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Not all poisons are lethal.
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Posted: 10/24/2013 8:35:23 PM EDT
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Venomous not Poison and yes.
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Posted: 10/24/2013 8:35:35 PM EDT
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Say a rattlesnake bite. No medical help around for days.
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Posted: 10/24/2013 8:36:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Say a rattlesnake bite. No medical help around for days. Yep. Not recommended, though. Not getting treatment can cause some other health issues down the road. |
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Posted: 10/24/2013 8:37:11 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/24/2013 8:38:04 PM EDT
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yes, depends on the type and amount of venom
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Posted: 10/24/2013 8:38:06 PM EDT
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Op, just go to the ER while you can.
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Posted: 10/24/2013 8:39:40 PM EDT
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Op, just go to the ER while you can. The wife is there fixing broken people. She may not want to see me snake bitten 
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Posted: 10/24/2013 8:39:51 PM EDT
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The word you were looking for was venomous and yes many snake bites will not result in death for healthy adults.
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Posted: 10/24/2013 8:40:08 PM EDT
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The word on the street is that baby rattlers generally always inject venom, whereas adult rattlers may just bite without injecting to conserve venom if they feel they don't need to.
...Depends on if they're feeling happy or sad at that moment |
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Posted: 10/24/2013 8:41:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Venomous not Poison and yes. |
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Posted: 10/24/2013 8:41:27 PM EDT
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The wife is there fixing broken people. She may not want to see me snake bitten Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Op, just go to the ER while you can. The wife is there fixing broken people. She may not want to see me snake bitten Jesus, did you actually get bit bro? You can suck the poison out yourself for starters |
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Posted: 10/24/2013 8:41:33 PM EDT
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The word you were looking for was venomous and yes many snake bites will not result in death for healthy adults. You are correct. My mistake. |
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Posted: 10/24/2013 8:42:58 PM EDT
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Jesus, did us actually get bit bro? You can suck the poison out yourself for starters Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Op, just go to the ER while you can. The wife is there fixing broken people. She may not want to see me snake bitten Jesus, did us actually get bit bro? You can suck the poison out yourself for starters No. Just watching True Grit and wondering if you can survive without treatment. |
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Posted: 10/24/2013 8:43:39 PM EDT
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EDIT - new posts while I was posting. Disregard
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Posted: 10/24/2013 8:44:30 PM EDT
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No. Just watching True Grit and wondering if you can survive without treatment. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Op, just go to the ER while you can. The wife is there fixing broken people. She may not want to see me snake bitten Jesus, did us actually get bit bro? You can suck the poison out yourself for starters No. Just watching True Grit and wondering if you can survive without treatment. Good to know. Good movie btw |
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Posted: 10/24/2013 8:45:29 PM EDT
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You biting a lot of snakes?
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Posted: 10/24/2013 8:46:06 PM EDT
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We have a lot of rattlers. Of the few bites I've seen, no one would have lived. One was a healthy large adult male and only got one fang in the calf. Only thing I've seen live with no treatment, was my dog.
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Posted: 10/24/2013 8:47:22 PM EDT
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We have a lot of rattlers. Of the few bites I've seen, no one would have lived. One was a healthy large adult male and only got one fang in the calf. Only thing I've seen live with no treatment, was my dog. No shit! |
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Posted: 10/24/2013 8:52:51 PM EDT
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You can survive a bite from a rattler without medical treatment, but it will suck ass.
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Posted: 10/24/2013 9:01:09 PM EDT
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So, the Lone Ranger and Tonto are in camp for the night and the Lone Ranger steps into the bushes to drain the lizard, a moment later he comes flying out screaming like a little girl. Tonto rushes over as the Lone Ranger falls to the ground. Tonto leans down "what wrong kemosabe?" Tonto, I've been bitten by a rattle snake right on my pecker. I need you to run into town and find out from the doctor what to do. So Tonto jumps on his faithful horse Scout and races into town where the doctor tells him how to treat snake bite, then races back to his masked friend. He reaches the masked man just in time as it's clear he is weakening quickly. Tonto, did you find the doctor? What did he say? Tonto looks down at the masked mans injury and then back to his face, In a grave sorrowful voice, Tonto says " doctor say, you gonna die kemosabe"
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Posted: 10/24/2013 9:05:47 PM EDT
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Say a rattlesnake bite. No medical help around for days. Many bites will not transfer a lethal dose of poison. You still don't want to try it. The poison does severe damage to the area it affects. |
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Posted: 10/24/2013 9:09:54 PM EDT
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Many bites will not transfer a lethal dose of poison. You still don't want to try it. The poison does severe damage to the area it affects. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Say a rattlesnake bite. No medical help around for days. Many bites will not transfer a lethal dose of poison. You still don't want to try it. The poison does severe damage to the area it affects. For some snakes dreadful and permanent damage. |
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Posted: 10/24/2013 9:20:45 PM EDT
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I'm a Hematologist and have worked on hundreds of snake bites. it all boils down to the bite itself and the snake and the persons general physical condition. some are extremely weak bites, but a lot are extremely severe and patient trauma from necrosis and hematological issues as well a bacterial infections are nasty. I did have some bitchin pics somewhere. I might post them, but they are gory and show too much leg for the mods to allow.
- was the bite an actual venomization? - if so, what was the degree of venomization? - does the patient have any underlying medical conditions? ( Diabetes..etc?) - where is the bite site? - what kind of snake was it? a majority of bites we see in Oklahoma are older people, usually working in the flower bed or garden. this segment of the population is sky high for numerous health issues that will effect the bite. I received a mild venomization ( mostly a dry bite) from a Copperhead on my hand from a drunken beach episode in college. it was a very weak bite ( but fully fanged into my hand) and was in excellent physical condition and all I got was a T-shirt and a round of antibiotics which chances are I could have lived without. this is certainly not the case of someone who goes mano y serpent with a Eastern Diamondback or a Black Mamba. |
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Posted: 10/24/2013 9:25:28 PM EDT
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yes, depends on the type and amount of venom This. Fierce snake bite your dead period. King Cobra, Russells Viper, Black Mamba you are dead without treatment. Water moccasin, copperhead you will likely live but your limb may rot off. Get treatment! |
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Posted: 10/24/2013 9:25:42 PM EDT
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Without medical treatment? yes. even the most lethal snake only has about a 80% kill rate. while thats high, none are 100% fatal 100% of the time. |
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Posted: 10/24/2013 9:26:23 PM EDT
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You can easily survive a copperhead bite.
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Posted: 10/24/2013 9:51:22 PM EDT
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isn't the copperhead the least venomous/ least aggressive of north American pit vipers?
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Posted: 10/24/2013 9:52:57 PM EDT
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Yes Absolutely possible.. depends on several factors though. |
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Posted: 10/24/2013 9:54:04 PM EDT
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Depends on the snake, I spent a week in the hospital when I was a kid. I was bit by a rattler.
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Posted: 10/24/2013 10:12:14 PM EDT
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I'm a Hematologist and have worked on hundreds of snake bites. it all boils down to the bite itself and the snake and the persons general physical condition. some are extremely weak bites, but a lot are extremely severe and patient trauma from necrosis and hematological issues as well a bacterial infections are nasty. I did have some bitchin pics somewhere. I might post them, but they are gory and show too much leg for the mods to allow. - was the bite an actual venomization? - if so, what was the degree of venomization? - does the patient have any underlying medical conditions? ( Diabetes..etc?) - where is the bite site? - what kind of snake was it? a majority of bites we see in Oklahoma are older people, usually working in the flower bed or garden. this segment of the population is sky high for numerous health issues that will effect the bite. I received a mild venomization ( mostly a dry bite) from a Copperhead on my hand from a drunken beach episode in college. it was a very weak bite ( but fully fanged into my hand) and was in excellent physical condition and all I got was a T-shirt and a round of antibiotics which chances are I could have lived without. this is certainly not the case of someone who goes mano y serpent with a Eastern Diamondback or a Black Mamba. How bad did the initial bite hurt? Did the pain increase past that? |
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Posted: 10/24/2013 10:15:54 PM EDT
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Jesus, did you actually get bit bro? You can suck the poison out yourself for starters Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Op, just go to the ER while you can. The wife is there fixing broken people. She may not want to see me snake bitten Jesus, did you actually get bit bro? You can suck the poison out yourself for starters No. Don't try to suck venom out of your body... Also, tomatoes aren't poisonous. |
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Posted: 10/24/2013 10:33:48 PM EDT
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You can easily survive a copperhead bite. Easily?? It was the most painful thing I have ever experienced!! Easily my ass! |
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Posted: 10/24/2013 11:09:05 PM EDT
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SNAKE BITTEN
By: Rich Johnson Venomous snakebite is sometimes erroneously viewed as not all that serious, because most victims survive. What is only rarely reported is the physical devastation that some survivors endure after envenomation. Rattlesnake venom is a hemotoxin that is carried by the circulatory system and can cause severe damage to tissue. Even if you survive, the aftermath might be horrible. After this young man was bitten on the palm of his hand, his entire arm became swollen to the point doctors decided to perform a fasciotomy from the palm of his hand to his bicep to relieve pressure. 
Over the next 35 days, eight surgeries were performed. With the injury open, doctors could clean out dead tissue. 
After twenty months and thirteen surgeries, the snakebite victim has recovered mobility and about 80% of the strength in his affected arm and hand. 
http://www.outdoorlife.com/photos/gallery/hunting/2009/10/snakes-grass |
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Posted: 10/24/2013 11:16:55 PM EDT
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You could luck out and get a dry bite, which is how most survive, which is bite with no venom.
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Posted: 10/24/2013 11:24:56 PM EDT
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" The United States has about 20 species of venomous snakes which include 16 species of rattlesnakes, 2 species of coral snakes, one species of cottonmouth (or water moccasin), and one species of copperhead. At least one type of venomous snake is found in every state except Alaska and Hawaii. It has been estimated that 7,000–8,000 people per year receive venomous bites in the United States, and about 5 of those people die."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_snake_bites_in_the_United_States |
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Posted: 10/24/2013 11:46:13 PM EDT
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Say a rattlesnake bite. No medical help around for days. 1. Rattlesnake venom is not automatically lethal, as is, say, the venom from a cobra. 2. Rattlesnakes can actually "meter" the amount of venom they deliver. Venom delivery is a hunting thing; given enough time that the snake is not panicking, it'll probably not bother to inject you. This is how so many phony "snake preachers" get away with getting bitten. |
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Posted: 10/24/2013 11:54:08 PM EDT
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Yeah most poisonous snakes will not kill an adult
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Posted: 10/24/2013 11:55:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: SNAKE BITTEN By: Rich Johnson Venomous snakebite is sometimes erroneously viewed as not all that serious, because most victims survive. What is only rarely reported is the physical devastation that some survivors endure after envenomation. Rattlesnake venom is a hemotoxin that is carried by the circulatory system and can cause severe damage to tissue. Even if you survive, the aftermath might be horrible. After this young man was bitten on the palm of his hand, his entire arm became swollen to the point doctors decided to perform a fasciotomy from the palm of his hand to his bicep to relieve pressure. http://www.outdoorlife.com/files/imagecache/photo-gallery/photo/6/image0022.jpg Over the next 35 days, eight surgeries were performed. With the injury open, doctors could clean out dead tissue. http://www.outdoorlife.com/files/imagecache/photo-gallery/photo/6/image0043.jpg After twenty months and thirteen surgeries, the snakebite victim has recovered mobility and about 80% of the strength in his affected arm and hand. http://www.outdoorlife.com/files/imagecache/photo-gallery/photo/6/image01514.jpg http://www.outdoorlife.com/photos/gallery/hunting/2009/10/snakes-grass |
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Posted: 10/25/2013 12:07:46 AM EDT
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SNAKE BITTEN By: Rich Johnson Venomous snakebite is sometimes erroneously viewed as not all that serious, because most victims survive. What is only rarely reported is the physical devastation that some survivors endure after envenomation. Rattlesnake venom is a hemotoxin that is carried by the circulatory system and can cause severe damage to tissue. Even if you survive, the aftermath might be horrible. After this young man was bitten on the palm of his hand, his entire arm became swollen to the point doctors decided to perform a fasciotomy from the palm of his hand to his bicep to relieve pressure. http://www.outdoorlife.com/files/imagecache/photo-gallery/photo/6/image0022.jpg Over the next 35 days, eight surgeries were performed. With the injury open, doctors could clean out dead tissue. http://www.outdoorlife.com/files/imagecache/photo-gallery/photo/6/image0043.jpg After twenty months and thirteen surgeries, the snakebite victim has recovered mobility and about 80% of the strength in his affected arm and hand. http://www.outdoorlife.com/files/imagecache/photo-gallery/photo/6/image01514.jpg http://www.outdoorlife.com/photos/gallery/hunting/2009/10/snakes-grass First picture should be a metal album cover
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Posted: 10/25/2013 1:50:59 AM EDT
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Really? You've never known anyone snakebit?
Lack of medical treatment is a pretty bad idea. Could end badly. But yes, humans can survive nasty snakebites, sometimes even without modern care. Note can does not equal will. |
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Posted: 10/25/2013 2:00:12 AM EDT
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yes, depends on the type and amount of venom This !!! |
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Posted: 10/25/2013 3:29:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Many bites will not transfer a lethal dose of poison venom. You still don't want to try it. The poison venom (if hemotoxic, and not neurotoxic) does severe damage to the area it affects. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Say a rattlesnake bite. No medical help around for days. Many bites will not transfer a lethal dose of poison venom. You still don't want to try it. The poison venom (if hemotoxic, and not neurotoxic) does severe damage to the area it affects. |
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Posted: 10/25/2013 3:31:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: SNAKE BITTEN By: Rich Johnson Venomous snakebite is sometimes erroneously viewed as not all that serious, because most victims survive. What is only rarely reported is the physical devastation that some survivors endure after envenomation. Rattlesnake venom is a hemotoxin that is carried by the circulatory system and can cause severe damage to tissue. Even if you survive, the aftermath might be horrible. After this young man was bitten on the palm of his hand, his entire arm became swollen to the point doctors decided to perform a fasciotomy from the palm of his hand to his bicep to relieve pressure. http://www.outdoorlife.com/files/imagecache/photo-gallery/photo/6/image0022.jpg Over the next 35 days, eight surgeries were performed. With the injury open, doctors could clean out dead tissue. http://www.outdoorlife.com/files/imagecache/photo-gallery/photo/6/image0043.jpg After twenty months and thirteen surgeries, the snakebite victim has recovered mobility and about 80% of the strength in his affected arm and hand. http://www.outdoorlife.com/files/imagecache/photo-gallery/photo/6/image01514.jpg http://www.outdoorlife.com/photos/gallery/hunting/2009/10/snakes-grass Fuck that. "Doc..... just cut it off. Yeah, the whole fucking arm. Do it now." |
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Posted: 10/25/2013 3:35:21 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/25/2013 3:58:56 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/25/2013 4:05:44 AM EDT
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isn't the copperhead the least venomous/ least aggressive of north American pit vipers? least venomous, agressiveness is spotty. some are docile, some are beasts. by far the most common Snake Bite we see in OK. various rattle snakes and water moccassin next up. I did some venom research in College and we had to collect our own snakes. I hated going to get a moccassin. |
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