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Posted: 8/4/2013 3:43:33 PM EDT
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Saying the universe is fine-tuned for life is like saying horses are perfectly designed to pull carts...
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Posted: 8/4/2013 3:52:38 PM EDT
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Saying the universe is fine-tuned for life is like saying horses are perfectly designed to pull carts... It always amazes me how all other planets in our solar system are chaotic and furiously hostile to life, yet the earth is perfectly adjusted in every way for life. Even those chaotic planets complement and support the earths perfect position from the sun and its position/orbit in the solar system. |
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Posted: 8/4/2013 3:56:59 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/4/2013 3:59:21 PM EDT
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I actually just got done reading "Physics of the Impossible" by Michio Kaku. In it there is a good discussion about there has to be a creator. Not by Kaku, but by other physicis. It's about wave functions and the Schrodingers Cat problem. Is the cat alive or dead, that question is only solvable in the real world by an observer. Since everything can be described as a wave function the fact that we are all here is prrof there is an "observer" looking at us. Call that observer God (I'm catholic so that's my view) aliens or whatever.
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Posted: 8/4/2013 4:03:19 PM EDT
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Prager was one of my favorite radio hosts.
I don't listen to him much anymore, I guess I tend to get burnt out after listening to the same guy for a few years straight. I'm not religious but his defense of God/proselytizing was done in such a way that it never really bothered me. |
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Posted: 8/4/2013 4:06:57 PM EDT
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Occam's Razor.
Hugh Everett's many worlds theory is the simplest, most logical explanation to the quantum enigma(s). The wave function does not collapse. The Copenhagen School came up with the "collapsing wave function" pretty much because it made them happy and for not much other reason. They never had any evidence the wave function "collapses." It was simply an ad hoc explanation for something they didn't understand and it allowed them to ignore the big, purple elephant in the room. This - our - universe IS fine tuned for intelligent life. Anyone who says otherwise is sticking his head in the sand. The simplest, most logical answer is that our universe is only one of an infinite number of universes. It removes the mathematical absurdity that our universe just "beat the odds" - trillions and trillions and trillions to one, a number so large as to defy the imagination - and everything from the subatomic level to the intergalactic level turned out just perfect by luck of the proverbial draw. Bullshit. The multiverse is real. |
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Posted: 8/4/2013 4:12:20 PM EDT
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Occam's Razor is not an absolute. It can lead you to erronious conclusions. It is a good quick and dirty tool but not the end all to be all.
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Posted: 8/4/2013 4:13:05 PM EDT
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After all, with an infinite number of universes, a universe with parameters friendly to intelligent life is more likely to arise somewhere by chance. Methinks the author doesn't know what the word "infinite" means. |
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Posted: 8/4/2013 4:14:03 PM EDT
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to deny that the universe is improbably fine-tuned to create life, let alone intelligent life. that's an absurd premise. invalid argument. dennis should let the adults sort this one out. |
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Posted: 8/4/2013 4:14:36 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/4/2013 4:21:58 PM EDT
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Occam's Razor is not an absolute. It can lead you to erronious conclusions. It is a good quick and dirty tool but not the end all to be all. The multiverse eliminates paradoxes. In a mulitverse Schroedinger's famous cat conundrum is no longer a paradox: he's alive in one and dead in another. The multiverse theory is logical. It also just happens to be breathtakingly simple and elegant. |
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Posted: 8/4/2013 4:24:34 PM EDT
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That still doesn't prove it exists. it might be a workable Hypothesis but that does not constitute proof.
Occams Razor said a Ground Hog was getting into my Aunt's house based on Scat analysis but it turned out to be a Possum who ate a lot of grass. |
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Posted: 8/4/2013 4:27:42 PM EDT
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It always amazes me how all other planets in our solar system are chaotic and furiously hostile to life, yet the earth is perfectly adjusted in every way for life. Even those chaotic planets complement and support the earths perfect position from the sun and its position/orbit in the solar system. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Saying the universe is fine-tuned for life is like saying horses are perfectly designed to pull carts... It always amazes me how all other planets in our solar system are chaotic and furiously hostile to life, yet the earth is perfectly adjusted in every way for life. Even those chaotic planets complement and support the earths perfect position from the sun and its position/orbit in the solar system. Earth isn't perfectly adjusted for life. If anything, life on Earth is just well adapted to survive on Earth. |
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Posted: 8/4/2013 4:29:58 PM EDT
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Occam's Razor. Hugh Everett's many worlds theory is the simplest, most logical explanation to the quantum enigma(s). The wave function does not collapse. The Copenhagen School came up with the "collapsing wave function" pretty much because it made them happy and for not much other reason. They never had any evidence the wave function "collapses." It was simply an ad hoc explanation for something they didn't understand and it allowed them to ignore the big, purple elephant in the room. This - our - universe IS fine tuned for intelligent life. Anyone who says otherwise is sticking his head in the sand. The simplest, most logical answer is that our universe is only one of an infinite number of universes. It removes the mathematical absurdity that our universe just "beat the odds" - trillions and trillions and trillions to one, a number so large as to defy the imagination - and everything from the subatomic level to the intergalactic level turned out just perfect by luck of the proverbial draw. Bullshit. The multiverse is real. How many universes then would you need to make it at all probable that one of them could be like our universe? |
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Posted: 8/4/2013 4:31:16 PM EDT
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"Bring me a possum who is both dead and alive at the same time." - - - J. Throckmorton Burlingast, pornographer, zoologist, and shade tree physicist, 1993.
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Posted: 8/4/2013 4:32:29 PM EDT
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How about the weirdness that is the fact that water is less dense in its solid form then its liquid unlike every other substance.
If water was similar to other molecules life wouldn't exist or something. 
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Posted: 8/4/2013 4:33:05 PM EDT
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"Bring me a possum who is both dead and alive at the same time." - - - J. Throckmorton Burlingast, pornographer, zoologist, and shade tree physicist, 1993. Quote HistoryQuoted:
"Bring me a possum who is both dead and alive at the same time." - - - J. Throckmorton Burlingast, pornographer, zoologist, and shade tree physicist, 1993. The problem with internet quotes is that you can't always depend on their accuracy" -Abraham Lincoln, 1864 |
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Posted: 8/4/2013 4:34:13 PM EDT
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It always amazes me how all other planets in our solar system are chaotic and furiously hostile to life, yet the earth is perfectly adjusted in every way for life. Even those chaotic planets complement and support the earths perfect position from the sun and its position/orbit in the solar system. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Saying the universe is fine-tuned for life is like saying horses are perfectly designed to pull carts... It always amazes me how all other planets in our solar system are chaotic and furiously hostile to life, yet the earth is perfectly adjusted in every way for life. Even those chaotic planets complement and support the earths perfect position from the sun and its position/orbit in the solar system. Earth is not simply "perfectly adjusted to life", rather the opposite: LIFE is adjusted to Earth. |
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Posted: 8/4/2013 4:34:28 PM EDT
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If someone believes in god or is religious that's their business. Just do not try and tell me what to believe whether it be atheist or god squader.
As long as I can believe what I want to everybody else should be allowed to believe what they want to. That's the problem with people, they always seem to feel the need to tell others what to think and feel and do, the other problem is so many people NEED someone to tell them what to think and feel and do. What I choose and why is my business and nobody has the right to tell me otherwise. The US government always crosses that line as does the media. If believing in God and whatever made up BS you want to makes you feel good so be it. The more I have read and studied from both sides the more I realize there is only one answer and it's for each individual to figure out. I figured it out and that answer is mine, if someone asks me I will gladly explain but I will not argue my points or my beliefs anymore. I have found that most times the person will not accept what I am saying and it leads to arguments. I respect others and I want them to respect me and my beliefs. All the killing and wars are based on the façade of people's differences when in fact they just have their own agenda of power hunger. To me the fact is man made god, god did not make man. You are allowed to believe differently and I have nothing to say about it except good luck. |
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Posted: 8/4/2013 4:34:31 PM EDT
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"Bring me a possum who is both dead and alive at the same time." - - - J. Throckmorton Burlingast, pornographer, zoologist, and shade tree physicist, 1993. The problem with internet quotes is that you can't always depend on their accuracy" -Abraham Lincoln, 1864 
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Posted: 8/4/2013 4:34:33 PM EDT
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How many universes then would you need to make it at all probable that one of them could be like our universe? Watch this as a rudimentary primer: 
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Posted: 8/4/2013 4:35:17 PM EDT
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I once heard a friend say to me that our existence is proof that we are Created because otherwise it would be an unreasonable
coincidence that we live on exactly the right planet at exactly the right temperature range, with exactly the right atmosphere, at exactly the right distance from the sun, for us to live. I simply has to point out that life must evolve to fit its environment. If that evolution goes in the wrong direction, the species will obviously die out. He figured it out in a few seconds and changed his tune. What I really find amusing is the "intelligent design" theory, which does nothing but kick the can down the road. Eventually, you must address the question of the origin of the original originator, which was not created by a creator. If a god made god, what god made him? How far back up the divine family tree do you have to go before you find the very first god, which could not have been created by another god? And how did that god come to be? It's the question that the intelligent design idiots can't answer. |
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Posted: 8/4/2013 4:36:10 PM EDT
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How about a universe where everybody is a black and white pencil drawing. AH-HA! Think about that one!
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Posted: 8/4/2013 4:37:30 PM EDT
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Earth isn't perfectly adjusted for life. If anything, life on Earth is just well adapted to survive on Earth. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Saying the universe is fine-tuned for life is like saying horses are perfectly designed to pull carts... It always amazes me how all other planets in our solar system are chaotic and furiously hostile to life, yet the earth is perfectly adjusted in every way for life. Even those chaotic planets complement and support the earths perfect position from the sun and its position/orbit in the solar system. Earth isn't perfectly adjusted for life. If anything, life on Earth is just well adapted to survive on Earth. Dang, came here to post that |
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Posted: 8/4/2013 4:37:36 PM EDT
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I once heard a friend say to me that our existence is proof that we are Created because otherwise it would be an unreasonable coincidence that we live on exactly the right planet at exactly the right temperature range, with exactly the right atmosphere, at exactly the right distance from the sun, for us to live. I simply has to point out that life must evolve to fit its environment. If that evolution goes in the wrong direction, the species will obviously die out. He figured it out in a few seconds and changed his tune. What I really find amusing is the "intelligent design" theory, which does nothing but kick the can down the road. Eventually, you must address the question of the origin of the original originator, which was not created by a creator. If a god made god, what god made him? How far back up the divine family tree do you have to go before you find the very first god, which could not have been created by another god? And how did that god come to be? It's the question that the intelligent design idiots can't answer. It may be the wrong question when you are a three-dimensional being trying to understand a tenth-dimensional one. It may in fact be nonsense. |
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Posted: 8/4/2013 4:38:37 PM EDT
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The simplest, most logical answer is that our universe is only one of an infinite number of universes. It removes the mathematical absurdity that our universe just "beat the odds" - trillions and trillions and trillions to one, a number so large as to defy the imagination - and everything from the subatomic level to the intergalactic level turned out just perfect by luck of the proverbial draw. Bullshit. The multiverse is real. An infinite number of universes creates its own set of problems. Given infinite universes and infinite time everything that could possibly happen can and does happen. So, there is a universe out there where all of ARFcom voted for Obama. That is the idea of Eternal Recurrence that featured so prominently in Nietzsche's thought. |
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Posted: 8/4/2013 4:39:00 PM EDT
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That still doesn't prove it exists. it might be a workable Hypothesis but that does not constitute proof. Occams Razor said a Ground Hog was getting into my Aunt's house based on Scat analysis but it turned out to be a Possum who ate a lot of grass. That was no possum, it was Schrödinger's cat. |
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Posted: 8/4/2013 4:39:48 PM EDT
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An infinite number of universes creates its own set of problems. Given infinite universes and infinite time everything that could possibly can and does happen. So, there is a universe out there where all of ARFcom voted for Obama. That is the idea of Eternal Recurrence that featured so prominently in Nietzsche's thought. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The simplest, most logical answer is that our universe is only one of an infinite number of universes. It removes the mathematical absurdity that our universe just "beat the odds" - trillions and trillions and trillions to one, a number so large as to defy the imagination - and everything from the subatomic level to the intergalactic level turned out just perfect by luck of the proverbial draw. Bullshit. The multiverse is real. An infinite number of universes creates its own set of problems. Given infinite universes and infinite time everything that could possibly can and does happen. So, there is a universe out there where all of ARFcom voted for Obama. That is the idea of Eternal Recurrence that featured so prominently in Nietzsche's thought. I didn't know Nietzsche invented re-runs! |
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Posted: 8/4/2013 4:40:33 PM EDT
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That was no possum, it was Schrödinger's cat. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That still doesn't prove it exists. it might be a workable Hypothesis but that does not constitute proof. Occams Razor said a Ground Hog was getting into my Aunt's house based on Scat analysis but it turned out to be a Possum who ate a lot of grass. That was no possum, it was Schrödinger's cat. I caught it in a cage, It was only the kind of Kat you see in posters. |
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Posted: 8/4/2013 4:41:22 PM EDT
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Earth is not simply "perfectly adjusted to life", rather the opposite: LIFE is adjusted to Earth. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Saying the universe is fine-tuned for life is like saying horses are perfectly designed to pull carts... It always amazes me how all other planets in our solar system are chaotic and furiously hostile to life, yet the earth is perfectly adjusted in every way for life. Even those chaotic planets complement and support the earths perfect position from the sun and its position/orbit in the solar system. Earth is not simply "perfectly adjusted to life", rather the opposite: LIFE is adjusted to Earth. This is very reasonable - although somewhat contradictory to what Stephen Hawking wrote in a Brief History of Time: “If the rate of expansion one second after the big bang had been smaller by even one part in a hundred thousand million million, the universe would have re-collapsed before it ever reached its present size.” |
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Posted: 8/4/2013 4:42:07 PM EDT
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Saying the universe is fine-tuned for life is like saying horses are perfectly designed to pull carts... Or that puddles are perfectly shaped to fit in the holes they're in. |
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Posted: 8/4/2013 4:47:23 PM EDT
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This is very reasonable - although somewhat contradictory to what Stephen Hawking wrote in a Brief History of Time: “If the rate of expansion one second after the big bang had been smaller by even one part in a hundred thousand million million, the universe would have re-collapsed before it ever reached its present size.” Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Saying the universe is fine-tuned for life is like saying horses are perfectly designed to pull carts... It always amazes me how all other planets in our solar system are chaotic and furiously hostile to life, yet the earth is perfectly adjusted in every way for life. Even those chaotic planets complement and support the earths perfect position from the sun and its position/orbit in the solar system. Earth is not simply "perfectly adjusted to life", rather the opposite: LIFE is adjusted to Earth. This is very reasonable - although somewhat contradictory to what Stephen Hawking wrote in a Brief History of Time: “If the rate of expansion one second after the big bang had been smaller by even one part in a hundred thousand million million, the universe would have re-collapsed before it ever reached its present size.” But it didn't. EVERY outcome is amazingly unlikely, yet one of them MUST happen. It's only incredible if you assume a specific outcome is the required result. |
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Posted: 8/4/2013 4:48:58 PM EDT
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IN! This will be a good 'un!
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Posted: 8/4/2013 4:50:38 PM EDT
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Quote History...pioneered by among others Aristotle- was he an idiot? |
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Posted: 8/4/2013 4:51:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If someone believes in god or is religious that's their business. Just do not try and tell me what to believe whether it be atheist or god squader. As long as I can believe what I want to everybody else should be allowed to believe what they want to. That's the problem with people, they always seem to feel the need to tell others what to think and feel and do, the other problem is so many people NEED someone to tell them what to think and feel and do. What I choose and why is my business and nobody has the right to tell me otherwise. The US government always crosses that line as does the media. If believing in God and whatever made up BS you want to makes you feel good so be it. The more I have read and studied from both sides the more I realize there is only one answer and it's for each individual to figure out. I figured it out and that answer is mine, if someone asks me I will gladly explain but I will not argue my points or my beliefs anymore. I have found that most times the person will not accept what I am saying and it leads to arguments. I respect others and I want them to respect me and my beliefs. All the killing and wars are based on the façade of people's differences when in fact they just have their own agenda of power hunger. To me the fact is man made god, god did not make man. You are allowed to believe differently and I have nothing to say about it except good luck. |
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Posted: 8/4/2013 4:53:05 PM EDT
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Earth is not simply "perfectly adjusted to life", rather the opposite: LIFE is adjusted to Earth. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Saying the universe is fine-tuned for life is like saying horses are perfectly designed to pull carts... It always amazes me how all other planets in our solar system are chaotic and furiously hostile to life, yet the earth is perfectly adjusted in every way for life. Even those chaotic planets complement and support the earths perfect position from the sun and its position/orbit in the solar system. Earth is not simply "perfectly adjusted to life", rather the opposite: LIFE is adjusted to Earth. 
Really it's all dependant on how an individual believes. I believe this earth was made for us to dwell on. Setting human life aside, animals too, the whole planet itself is fine tuned to thrive on its own. The perfect chemical makeup of the oceans, the land, all the mico and macro environments supporting each other. Whether we are here or not the whole thing is set in motion to run itself. The perfect cosmic terrarium, just add humans and animals to live in it, and he did. |
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Posted: 8/4/2013 4:54:24 PM EDT
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It always amazes me how all other planets in our solar system are chaotic and furiously hostile to life, yet the earth is perfectly adjusted in every way for life. Even those chaotic planets complement and support the earths perfect position from the sun and its position/orbit in the solar system. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Saying the universe is fine-tuned for life is like saying horses are perfectly designed to pull carts... It always amazes me how all other planets in our solar system are chaotic and furiously hostile to life, yet the earth is perfectly adjusted in every way for life. Even those chaotic planets complement and support the earths perfect position from the sun and its position/orbit in the solar system. |
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Posted: 8/4/2013 4:55:35 PM EDT
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I once heard a friend say to me that our existence is proof that we are Created because otherwise it would be an unreasonable coincidence that we live on exactly the right planet at exactly the right temperature range, with exactly the right atmosphere, at exactly the right distance from the sun, for us to live. I simply has to point out that life must evolve to fit its environment. If that evolution goes in the wrong direction, the species will obviously die out. He figured it out in a few seconds and changed his tune. What I really find amusing is the "intelligent design" theory, which does nothing but kick the can down the road. Eventually, you must address the question of the origin of the original originator, which was not created by a creator. If a god made god, what god made him? How far back up the divine family tree do you have to go before you find the very first god, which could not have been created by another god? And how did that god come to be? It's the question that the intelligent design idiots can't answer. The multiverse has nothing to do with "God." |
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Posted: 8/4/2013 4:59:47 PM EDT
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Saying the universe is fine-tuned for life is like saying horses are perfectly designed to pull carts... Well, they are. 
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Posted: 8/4/2013 5:01:05 PM EDT
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I once heard a friend say to me that our existence is proof that we are Created because otherwise it would be an unreasonable coincidence that we live on exactly the right planet at exactly the right temperature range, with exactly the right atmosphere, at exactly the right distance from the sun, for us to live. I simply has to point out that life must evolve to fit its environment. If that evolution goes in the wrong direction, the species will obviously die out. He figured it out in a few seconds and changed his tune. What I really find amusing is the "intelligent design" theory, which does nothing but kick the can down the road. Eventually, you must address the question of the origin of the original originator, which was not created by a creator. If a god made god, what god made him? How far back up the divine family tree do you have to go before you find the very first god, which could not have been created by another god? And how did that god come to be? It's the question that the intelligent design idiots can't answer. You both are wrong.
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Posted: 8/4/2013 5:01:42 PM EDT
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It would explain oboma and how his dumb ass came to be. He jumped from the commieverse
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Posted: 8/4/2013 5:03:07 PM EDT
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The multiverse eliminates paradoxes. In a mulitverse Schroedinger's famous cat conundrum is no longer a paradox: he's alive in one and dead in another. The multiverse theory is logical. It also just happens to be breathtakingly simple and elegant. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Occam's Razor is not an absolute. It can lead you to erronious conclusions. It is a good quick and dirty tool but not the end all to be all. The multiverse eliminates paradoxes. In a mulitverse Schroedinger's famous cat conundrum is no longer a paradox: he's alive in one and dead in another. The multiverse theory is logical. It also just happens to be breathtakingly simple and elegant. thats why a lot of scientists hate it..... |
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Posted: 8/4/2013 5:06:27 PM EDT
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I once heard a friend say to me that our existence is proof that we are Created because otherwise it would be an unreasonable coincidence that we live on exactly the right planet at exactly the right temperature range, with exactly the right atmosphere, at exactly the right distance from the sun, for us to live. I simply has to point out that life must evolve to fit its environment. If that evolution goes in the wrong direction, the species will obviously die out. He figured it out in a few seconds and changed his tune. What I really find amusing is the "intelligent design" theory, which does nothing but kick the can down the road. Eventually, you must address the question of the origin of the original originator, which was not created by a creator. If a god made god, what god made him? How far back up the divine family tree do you have to go before you find the very first god, which could not have been created by another god? And how did that god come to be? It's the question that the intelligent design idiots can't answer. Then you have the answer where the first Quark, Superstring, or smaller theoretical piece of matter came from? Maybe God created it. 
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Posted: 8/4/2013 5:09:30 PM EDT
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I'm a little more worried about the necromongers and underverse come.
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Posted: 8/4/2013 5:09:51 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/4/2013 5:10:53 PM EDT
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...pioneered by among others Aristotle- was he an idiot? He'd be an idiot if he believed it knowing what we know now. |
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Posted: 8/4/2013 5:11:42 PM EDT
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http://fuuka.warosu.org/data/tg/img/0257/43/1372661388341.jpg Really it's all dependant on how an individual believes. I believe this earth was made for us to dwell on. Setting human life aside, animals too, the whole planet itself is fine tuned to thrive on its own. The perfect chemical makeup of the oceans, the land, all the mico and macro environments supporting each other. Whether we are here or not the whole thing is set in motion to run itself. The perfect cosmic terrarium, just add humans and animals to live in it, and he did. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Saying the universe is fine-tuned for life is like saying horses are perfectly designed to pull carts... It always amazes me how all other planets in our solar system are chaotic and furiously hostile to life, yet the earth is perfectly adjusted in every way for life. Even those chaotic planets complement and support the earths perfect position from the sun and its position/orbit in the solar system. Earth is not simply "perfectly adjusted to life", rather the opposite: LIFE is adjusted to Earth. http://fuuka.warosu.org/data/tg/img/0257/43/1372661388341.jpg Really it's all dependant on how an individual believes. I believe this earth was made for us to dwell on. Setting human life aside, animals too, the whole planet itself is fine tuned to thrive on its own. The perfect chemical makeup of the oceans, the land, all the mico and macro environments supporting each other. Whether we are here or not the whole thing is set in motion to run itself. The perfect cosmic terrarium, just add humans and animals to live in it, and he did. It's fine that you believe that. But your belief doesn't prove a god exists. |
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Posted: 8/4/2013 5:13:14 PM EDT
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Then you have the answer where the first Quark, Superstring, or smaller theoretical piece of matter came from? Maybe God created it. One might well ask why there is any rhyme or reason to the universe at all. |
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Posted: 8/4/2013 5:14:33 PM EDT
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He'd be an idiot if he believed it knowing what we know now. No one here does so why was it cited? Since you're answering for others now... |
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Posted: 8/4/2013 5:16:23 PM EDT
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Earth isn't perfectly adjusted for life. If anything, life on Earth is just well adapted to survive on Earth. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Saying the universe is fine-tuned for life is like saying horses are perfectly designed to pull carts... It always amazes me how all other planets in our solar system are chaotic and furiously hostile to life, yet the earth is perfectly adjusted in every way for life. Even those chaotic planets complement and support the earths perfect position from the sun and its position/orbit in the solar system. Earth isn't perfectly adjusted for life. If anything, life on Earth is just well adapted to survive on Earth. Precisely. 70 or so of the surface is covered in a substance that is a near universal solvent. The atmosphere is twenty percent harsh oxidizer. Nothing should survive, unless species somehow had the ability to adapt along the way. Sometimes I think people have absolutely no idea how huge the known universe is. If someone wants to throw God into the mix, why is it so difficult to simply say that science is the process of discovering how God did it? |
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