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Posted: 7/27/2013 7:05:09 PM EDT
[#1]
Track his fucking ass down and give him the full sentence for the "crime" reported
which should be standard procedure for anyone making false accusations to law enforcement. |
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Posted: 7/27/2013 7:06:43 PM EDT
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It's a good thing he had cameras.
I wonder how many would be free if they'd had them as well. |
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Posted: 7/27/2013 7:07:18 PM EDT
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They're stupid. They think the cops went after the guy because he was black, not because he sells crack pipes. Whatever.
I'd be more interested in the informant's motive. He may have done it because he's a bigot. He may have had dealings with the store in the past and wanted to get even. There is always the possibility that one of the detectives told him to do it, which is almost certainly what he will say when he gets caught. Follow up will be interesting. |
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Posted: 7/27/2013 7:12:08 PM EDT
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War on Drugs!
...waste of money, destroyer of individual liberty. It's great at keeping the courts, jails, and prisons full, justifying law enforcement budgets, SWAT teams, armored military vehicles, and the violation of constitutional rights. It also keeps organized crime in business, and increases violence. One of the best fertilizers of big government! |
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Posted: 7/27/2013 7:19:26 PM EDT
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By phone the Sheriff acknowledged proper procedures were not followed but denied his investigators purposely framed the suspect. Damn right. I'm sure proper procedures include making sure all video evidence of planting drugs is destroyed. |
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Posted: 7/27/2013 7:34:48 PM EDT
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Damn right. I'm sure proper procedures include making sure all video evidence of planting drugs is destroyed. Quote HistoryQuoted:
By phone the Sheriff acknowledged proper procedures were not followed but denied his investigators purposely framed the suspect. Damn right. I'm sure proper procedures include making sure all video evidence of planting drugs is destroyed. I guess his investigators mistakenly framed the suspect.. 
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Posted: 7/27/2013 9:14:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'd be more interested in the informant's motive. $$$ and favors would be my guess. That seems to be the norm when informers do shady shit like this. Offer shitbags some $$$ if they bring you a bust and they will make sure that someone gets busted. |
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Posted: 7/27/2013 9:17:14 PM EDT
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$$$ and favors would be my guess. That seems to be the norm when informers do shady shit like this. Offer shitbags some $$$ if they bring you a bust and they will make sure that someone gets busted. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'd be more interested in the informant's motive. $$$ and favors would be my guess. That seems to be the norm when informers do shady shit like this. Offer shitbags some $$$ if they bring you a bust and they will make sure that someone gets busted. Agree. I'd get him to turn states evidence and SUE the popo big time. |
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Posted: 7/27/2013 9:19:48 PM EDT
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Less than five miles from me.
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Posted: 7/27/2013 9:49:56 PM EDT
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It's a good thing he had cameras. I wonder how many would be free if they'd had them as well. Probably a lot.
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Posted: 7/27/2013 10:04:46 PM EDT
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Damn right. I'm sure proper procedures include making sure all video evidence of planting drugs is destroyed. Quote HistoryQuoted:
By phone the Sheriff acknowledged proper procedures were not followed but denied his investigators purposely framed the suspect. Damn right. I'm sure proper procedures include making sure all video evidence of planting drugs is destroyed. Except that informants like this are simply ordinary citzens and not 'investigators'. And the 'investigators' clearly did frame the 'suspect'. ETA: I was replying to the post you quoted,not your reply. |
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Posted: 7/27/2013 10:08:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Probably a lot. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It's a good thing he had cameras. I wonder how many would be free if they'd had them as well. Probably a lot. Nonsense, this is probably the only time this has happened.
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Posted: 7/27/2013 10:34:44 PM EDT
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$$$ and favors would be my guess. That seems to be the norm when informers do shady shit like this. Offer shitbags some $$$ if they bring you a bust and they will make sure that someone gets busted. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'd be more interested in the informant's motive. $$$ and favors would be my guess. That seems to be the norm when informers do shady shit like this. Offer shitbags some $$$ if they bring you a bust and they will make sure that someone gets busted. Let him off some other charge, maybe. I doubt they pay cash. Besides, getting a drug charge dropped is worth a lot more than whatever they've got in petty cash. One thing I will grant New York State: the state will review all their cases. I remember when they investigated every case written by the testilying guys. There will be a major expense and a major court overload while they reopen cases to see if informants planted the evidence,. Probably a few people who really did it will get exonerated because some jerk wanted an extra bust. Nice going, morons. |
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Posted: 7/27/2013 10:46:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: $$$ and favors would be my guess. That seems to be the norm when informers do shady shit like this. Offer shitbags some $$$ if they bring you a bust and they will make sure that someone gets busted. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'd be more interested in the informant's motive. $$$ and favors would be my guess. That seems to be the norm when informers do shady shit like this. Offer shitbags some $$$ if they bring you a bust and they will make sure that someone gets busted. edit sometimes they are also paid, but that is much less frequent.
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Posted: 7/28/2013 2:26:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Usually the informant has other charges or potential charges pending. Usually he is caught possessing something serious, like crack, or selling some kind of drugs, and told he is supposed to set up three buys and if he is he will not be charged. This is done constantly with no thought given to the unreliability of building arrests on these criminal drug addicts. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I'd be more interested in the informant's motive. $$$ and favors would be my guess. That seems to be the norm when informers do shady shit like this. Offer shitbags some $$$ if they bring you a bust and they will make sure that someone gets busted. edit sometimes they are also paid, but that is much less frequent. Gosh, this War on Drugs is swell! |
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Posted: 7/28/2013 2:48:32 AM EDT
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Hunt the fucking informant down and hang him, then see sig line.
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Posted: 7/28/2013 3:05:01 AM EDT
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Less than five miles from me. Yup. And this was nothing compared to Schenectady PD about 10 years ago. |
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Posted: 7/28/2013 3:35:23 AM EDT
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Usually the informant has other charges or potential charges pending. Usually he is caught possessing something serious, like crack, or selling some kind of drugs, and told he is supposed to set up three buys and if he is he will not be charged. This is done constantly with no thought given to the unreliability of building arrests on these criminal drug addicts. edit sometimes they are also paid, but that is much less frequent. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'd be more interested in the informant's motive. $$$ and favors would be my guess. That seems to be the norm when informers do shady shit like this. Offer shitbags some $$$ if they bring you a bust and they will make sure that someone gets busted. edit sometimes they are also paid, but that is much less frequent. How soon until they start doing this sort of crap to nail people violating the Safe Act? |
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Posted: 7/28/2013 4:18:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How soon until they start doing this sort of crap to nail people violating the Safe Act? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I'd be more interested in the informant's motive. $$$ and favors would be my guess. That seems to be the norm when informers do shady shit like this. Offer shitbags some $$$ if they bring you a bust and they will make sure that someone gets busted. edit sometimes they are also paid, but that is much less frequent. How soon until they start doing this sort of crap to nail people violating the Safe Act? There is already one guy where an undercover cop said he would buy a gun then waited until the safe was enacted to complete the deal so he could arrest the guy under the new law.
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Posted: 7/28/2013 9:00:53 AM EDT
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Yup. And this was nothing compared to Schenectady PD about 10 years ago. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Less than five miles from me. Yup. And this was nothing compared to Schenectady PD about 10 years ago. You mean when the Feds were close to taking over because the corruption was so rampant at all levels? Yeah I remember it well. 
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Posted: 7/28/2013 9:06:03 AM EDT
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Within the year would be my guess. There is already one guy where an undercover cop said he would buy a gun then waited until the safe was enacted to complete the deal so he could arrest the guy under the new law. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'd be more interested in the informant's motive. $$$ and favors would be my guess. That seems to be the norm when informers do shady shit like this. Offer shitbags some $$$ if they bring you a bust and they will make sure that someone gets busted. edit sometimes they are also paid, but that is much less frequent. How soon until they start doing this sort of crap to nail people violating the Safe Act? There is already one guy where an undercover cop said he would buy a gun then waited until the safe was enacted to complete the deal so he could arrest the guy under the new law. Yeah, an injunction can't come quick enough. You have a state full of law abiding gun owners living in fear and on pins and needles waiting to learn what the aw will be, if they need to dispose of their collections at a loss, move them out of state, or register and wait for the knock on the door to seize them. Those that don't register will spend their days fearing loose lips, a vengeful ex, a brainwashed kid, or a friend who gets busted and flips. My shits leaving the state if we can't win in court. The local cops and DAs may or may not enforce depending on circumstances, but the state will go full bore on us. Iiiiiiiiiiiiiiii Haaaaaaaate NY |
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Posted: 7/28/2013 9:08:40 AM EDT
[#22]
Change your thread title, informants are not agents of a department.
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Posted: 7/28/2013 9:11:51 AM EDT
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There are seven cameras in plain view in Andrews small store. TheGrayMan will be very pleased when he reads that. 
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Posted: 7/28/2013 9:14:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Change your thread title, informants are not agents of a department. This is a system that law enforcement uses. They bust a guy for drugs. Tell him unless he gets several other drug busts he's going down. Yeah, "not an agent of the department", maybe we should just call them "contractors", since there is clearly a "contract" between them and the police.
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Posted: 7/28/2013 9:16:41 AM EDT
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This is a system that law enforcement uses. They bust a guy for drugs. Tell him unless he gets several other drug busts he's going down. Yeah, "not an agent of the department", maybe we should just call them "contractors", since there is clearly a "contract" between them and the police. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Change your thread title, informants are not agents of a department. This is a system that law enforcement uses. They bust a guy for drugs. Tell him unless he gets several other drug busts he's going down. Yeah, "not an agent of the department", maybe we should just call them "contractors", since there is clearly a "contract" between them and the police. The first thing the DAs office tells them is they aren't cops they aren't part of any department. They are simply dirtbags giving up info or doing buys. |
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Posted: 7/28/2013 9:20:36 AM EDT
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Schenectady? Corruption?
This is my shocked face 
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Posted: 7/28/2013 9:20:48 AM EDT
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Change your thread title, informants are not agents of a department. Lol |
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Posted: 7/28/2013 9:22:04 AM EDT
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The first thing the DAs office tells them is they aren't cops they aren't part of any department. They are simply dirtbags giving up info or doing buys. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Change your thread title, informants are not agents of a department. This is a system that law enforcement uses. They bust a guy for drugs. Tell him unless he gets several other drug busts he's going down. Yeah, "not an agent of the department", maybe we should just call them "contractors", since there is clearly a "contract" between them and the police. The first thing the DAs office tells them is they aren't cops they aren't part of any department. They are simply dirtbags giving up info or doing buys. So the DA entrusts the "dirtbags" to go in and do what is essentially undercover police work and then people are surprised it ends this way. The only reason the owner is a free man is because he had video. Otherwise he would be rotting in prison and everything he owned would be taken away from him. |
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Posted: 7/28/2013 9:23:18 AM EDT
[#29]
Death penalty. I'm not kidding.
Framing innocent people to put them on the wrong side of the law is worthy of capital punishment IMO. |
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Posted: 7/28/2013 9:25:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So the DA entrusts the "dirtbags" to go in and do what is essentially undercover police work and then people are surprised it ends this way. The only reason the owner is a free man is because he had video. Otherwise he would be rotting in prison and everything he owned would be taken away from him. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Change your thread title, informants are not agents of a department. Good point. Also not everyone busted by the police is a "dirtbag". Some are busted using very bad laws. That doesn't necessarily make them a saint, sinner, or "dirtbag". But nice generalization. I guess "whatever helps you sleep at night" should be added to "whatever it takes to get home safe" |
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Posted: 7/28/2013 9:25:50 AM EDT
[#31]
They need to burn that motherfucker at the stake
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Posted: 7/28/2013 9:49:03 AM EDT
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A similar thing happened at my friends' bar many years ago. One of their bouncers was arrested for transporting several kilos of cocaine, and he said my friends put him up to it. Thanks to the hidden surveillance system in their office, that bouncer was shown just tossing an ounce and a half of grass and some coke on the desk. This was literally seconds before the DEA raided the place with local law enforcement.
Want to know the kicker? The DEA tried to say that the hidden surveillance footage was not admissible as evidence.  They forgot the fact that every entrance to the building was posted with a warning stating that the premises were under 24/7 video surveillance. Additionally, there were signs all over inside the bar stating the same.In the end, all charges were dropped and the bouncer ended up getting jail time for possession with intent to distribute cocaine. |
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Posted: 7/28/2013 10:38:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Change your thread title, informants are not agents of a department. I added the word informant to the headline so it would not infer that an officer had done this. You really want me to take it out again? |
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Posted: 7/28/2013 10:40:58 AM EDT
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An Agent is one who acts for, or in the place of, another, by authority from him; one entrusted with the business of another. |
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Posted: 7/28/2013 10:41:53 AM EDT
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Change your thread title, informants are not agents of a department. Yes they are. They are doing things at the behest of the police department. That makes them agents of the department. |
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Posted: 7/28/2013 10:47:50 AM EDT
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An Agent is one who acts for, or in the place of, another, by authority from him; one entrusted with the business of another. Come on you don't expect people to know tht words have multiple meanings and context. Yes, an informant is acting as an agent of the state, they are not an agent in the sense of an LE officer. |
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Posted: 7/28/2013 11:30:07 AM EDT
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I think you can remove the 'appears' from the title.
He planted drugs, most likely under the direction of the PD |
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Posted: 7/28/2013 12:39:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The first thing the DAs office tells them is they aren't cops they aren't part of any department. They are simply dirtbags giving up info or doing buys. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Change your thread title, informants are not agents of a department. This is a system that law enforcement uses. They bust a guy for drugs. Tell him unless he gets several other drug busts he's going down. Yeah, "not an agent of the department", maybe we should just call them "contractors", since there is clearly a "contract" between them and the police. The first thing the DAs office tells them is they aren't cops they aren't part of any department. They are simply dirtbags giving up info or doing buys. |
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Posted: 7/28/2013 12:39:51 PM EDT
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I bet your oficers and prosecutors call them "reliable informants" not "dirtbags" when asking for warrants Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Change your thread title, informants are not agents of a department. This is a system that law enforcement uses. They bust a guy for drugs. Tell him unless he gets several other drug busts he's going down. Yeah, "not an agent of the department", maybe we should just call them "contractors", since there is clearly a "contract" between them and the police. The first thing the DAs office tells them is they aren't cops they aren't part of any department. They are simply dirtbags giving up info or doing buys. And when testifying in court. |
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