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Posted: 5/9/2013 3:01:19 PM EST
Smoking: Smells awful. Makes everything you smoke around smell awful. Makes your fingers sticky from tar and shit. Makes your breath and teeth nasty.

Dipping: Spitting brown gunk. Deforms your face with a lump of chaw making your mouth asymmetrical. Makes your fingers sticky from pinching. Tobacco stuck in your teeth.

But which is grosser?
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Link Posted: 5/9/2013 3:10:30 PM EST
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At least my dipping does not effect everyone around me.
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Link Posted: 5/9/2013 3:14:10 PM EST
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I don't know, what's more disgusting, smelling a fart or witnessing the public excretion of diarrhea?
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Dipping. I'd rather be in a roomful of smokers than one dipper
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I don't know but nothing is funnier than watching someone pick up a coke can and take a swig only to find out its someone else's spit cup.
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Link Posted: 5/9/2013 3:20:44 PM EST

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Dipping. I'd rather be in a roomful of smokers than one dipper

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Link Posted: 5/9/2013 3:21:46 PM EST
Dipping is manly and makes your penis twice as big, so.... smoking.
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Link Posted: 5/9/2013 3:21:58 PM EST
I dip. Smoking is fucking nasty and obnoxious.
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Link Posted: 5/9/2013 3:23:41 PM EST
Equally disgusting.

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I think smoking is more nasty to those around as the nasty smell lingers and it pulls you away from your job while others work..A cigarette will make a pretty women look horribly ugly. I don't mind the smoke it's self smell, but the aged dirty nasty hair, clothes, car house smell that goes along with it. Like in a Casino or bar, I am good with it. Close with, or at work, in a smokers car or house .

Dip is more nasty when a spitoon spills ~or~...I saw a MEU XO set down a warm can of diet coke in Africa, come back to the map table and take a swig of someone's dip spit. It ended with, "From here on out, there will be no can's on this table." The XO walked away and we saw him 5-7 minutes later reset and back at it.

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Link Posted: 5/9/2013 3:33:27 PM EST
I don't know a single business executive that chews.

Most guys that use dip... stereotypes exist for a reason.
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Link Posted: 5/9/2013 3:39:46 PM EST
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I have dipped Copenhagen, chewed Red Man tobacco, and smoked Marlboro cigarettes extensively in the past. I also still enjoy the occasional cigar, so perhaps I am biased in favor of smoking in that regard. But being subject to the rude display of the polluted spittle of a disgusting wanna be dipper rolling around in a cup or water bottle is just too much. If you want to pollute your body, fine, but don't make me a visual participant in your bodily functions. I do not allow it in my work space. If you're going to dip indoors, be a real man and swaller the damn drippings. I know those that do it, and they are hard men not to be trifled with, much in contrast to the girlie men that think it's fun and manly to make a public display of their befouled digestive juices. Chewing leaf or plug tobacco and spitting the results is more understandable, but it has no place indoors among civilized persons. Do it in the weather when you're working outside and a fitting receptacle is available, such as a freshly plowed field, the stump of a tree that you have felled, or the drill floor of a working oil rig. Do that and I will have no complaints even if it blazes a trail across my boots.
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Link Posted: 5/9/2013 3:45:19 PM EST
Smoking is way nastier!

It smells nasty, affects everyone else who is around, and people feel its alright to toss their butts all over the ground.
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Link Posted: 5/9/2013 3:47:51 PM EST
Where I come from, there is a distinction between "nasty" and "dirty." Smoking is a dirty habit, but dipping and spitting into a cup in public is nasty.
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Link Posted: 5/9/2013 3:48:11 PM EST
Dipping is disgusting.

It's good that I don't know many dippers.
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Link Posted: 5/9/2013 3:50:11 PM EST
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Originally Posted By zombievt:
Dipping. I'd rather be in a roomful of smokers than one dipper


What if you can't tell they are? A lot of people do it wrong and pack too much at once. With sensible pinches you need neither spit(and just discard dried-up tobacco like a piece of gum) nor do you have the jawbreaker thing going on. Dipping also doesn't mean that you have to forgo hygiene(such as washing your hands regularly or brushing your teeth 2-3x a day).

Using a spit cup is disgusting. There's no need to do it. If you're doing it right, there should be no protrusion from under your lip either. I've dipped and no one knew I was doing it unless I told them. I never spat nor did I put huge chunks in nor did I just whip out a can when it wasn't appropriate. You can be polite about it. Smoking unfortunately requires you to segregate yourself to be polite and there's no concealing the smell of any type of smoke on you without showering and changing your clothes.
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Link Posted: 5/9/2013 3:53:41 PM EST
Originally Posted By Shootist_Jeff:
Originally Posted By zombievt:
Dipping. I'd rather be in a roomful of smokers than one dipper


What if you can't tell they are? A lot of people do it wrong and pack too much at once. With sensible pinches you need neither spit(and just discard dried-up tobacco like a piece of gum) nor do you have the jawbreaker thing going on. Dipping also doesn't mean that you have to forgo hygiene(such as washing your hands regularly or brushing your teeth 2-3x a day).

Using a spit cup is disgusting. There's no need to do it. If you're doing it right, there should be no protrusion from under your lip either.


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Link Posted: 5/9/2013 3:56:21 PM EST
Smoking offends the nose.
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Link Posted: 5/9/2013 3:57:04 PM EST
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Originally Posted By ColonelBatguano:
Originally Posted By Shootist_Jeff:
Originally Posted By zombievt:
Dipping. I'd rather be in a roomful of smokers than one dipper


What if you can't tell they are? A lot of people do it wrong and pack too much at once. With sensible pinches you need neither spit(and just discard dried-up tobacco like a piece of gum) nor do you have the jawbreaker thing going on. Dipping also doesn't mean that you have to forgo hygiene(such as washing your hands regularly or brushing your teeth 2-3x a day).

Using a spit cup is disgusting. There's no need to do it. If you're doing it right, there should be no protrusion from under your lip either.


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My point is that dipping in of itself isn't disgusting. It's that most do it disgustingly. Eating isn't disgusting but wearing it on your face and hands is and it seems most dippers act that way. There are only two advantages to dipping: you save your lungs and it can be discreet. Unfortunately most don't take advantage of that. No one wants to see that. Not even me.
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Link Posted: 5/9/2013 4:02:31 PM EST
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Link Posted: 5/9/2013 4:03:35 PM EST
Dipping is fucking NASTY.

And.......it can be made even MORE nasty given the right circumstance......

Example: room mate in college dips......spits into cup around apartment. One night, big kegger is underway, and naturally red party cups are everywhere. Buddy is spitting into one cup, dude is drinking beer out of another, the cups get set down next to one another and you an imagine what happens next when beer dude takes a huge chug out of dip guy's cup..........

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Link Posted: 5/9/2013 4:04:38 PM EST
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Link Posted: 5/9/2013 4:04:54 PM EST
Originally Posted By Shootist_Jeff:
Originally Posted By zombievt:
Dipping. I'd rather be in a roomful of smokers than one dipper


What if you can't tell they are? A lot of people do it wrong and pack too much at once. With sensible pinches you need neither spit(and just discard dried-up tobacco like a piece of gum) nor do you have the jawbreaker thing going on. Dipping also doesn't mean that you have to forgo hygiene(such as washing your hands regularly or brushing your teeth 2-3x a day).

Using a spit cup is disgusting. There's no need to do it. If you're doing it right, there should be no protrusion from under your lip either. I've dipped and no one knew I was doing it unless I told them. I never spat nor did I put huge chunks in nor did I just whip out a can when it wasn't appropriate. You can be polite about it. Smoking unfortunately requires you to segregate yourself to be polite and there's no concealing the smell of any type of smoke on you without showering and changing your clothes.


Now that I would be OK with. The nasty bastards that leave spit cups in my office trash or try to pack a half a can in their lip and end up with half of it all over the place are the ones that make me want to kick puppies.
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Link Posted: 5/9/2013 4:10:08 PM EST
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At least my dipping does not effect everyone around me.


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Link Posted: 5/9/2013 5:12:47 PM EST
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I have dipped Copenhagen, chewed Red Man tobacco, and smoked Marlboro cigarettes extensively in the past. I also still enjoy the occasional cigar, so perhaps I am biased in favor of smoking in that regard. But being subject to the rude display of the polluted spittle of a disgusting wanna be dipper rolling around in a cup or water bottle is just too much. If you want to pollute your body, fine, but don't make me a visual participant in your bodily functions. I do not allow it in my work space. If you're going to dip indoors, be a real man and swaller the damn drippings. I know those that do it, and they are hard men not to be trifled with, much in contrast to the girlie men that think it's fun and manly to make a public display of their befouled digestive juices. Chewing leaf or plug tobacco and spitting the results is more understandable, but it has no place indoors among civilized persons. Do it in the weather when you're working outside and a fitting receptacle is available, such as a freshly plowed field, the stump of a tree that you have felled, or the drill floor of a working oil rig. Do that and I will have no complaints even if it blazes a trail across my boots.


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I smoke good cigars occasionally... only outdoors.

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You guys sound like anti gunners. Substitute firearms for tobacco in this conversation. Personal freedom?
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Link Posted: 5/9/2013 5:37:41 PM EST

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Dipping. I'd rather be in a roomful of smokers than one dipper

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Link Posted: 5/9/2013 5:38:07 PM EST

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Equally disgusting.

Poll fail.

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I toss in a pouch at work every now and then.

No one knows, there is no spit, and nothing in my teeth.
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Equally disgusting.

Poll fail.

Agreed.


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Smoking is way nastier!

It smells nasty, affects everyone else who is around, and people feel its alright to toss their butts all over the ground.


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Neither bother me.
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Link Posted: 5/9/2013 5:53:10 PM EST
im more disgusted by dipping. Some people can be discreet, but the ones that are carrying around a mt. dew bottle and spit into it mid conversation makes me want to vomit.
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I dip and I voted that dipping is more disgusting. I don't like dipping in public and if I have the urge, I will be discreet.

Yes, even I think it looks disgusting when I see a nearly full Aquafina bottle with my brown spit containing black floating flakes inside.




But I dip because it is advantageous. I can dip during the movies, on a plane, inside a restaurant, etc. and as long as I am slick about it, nobody knows. I can also actively use both of my hands while I am enjoying my nicotine. I can shoot and run drills during carbine and pistol classes while actively dipping, without having to take a break to smoke. Those who dip sloppy, make all kinds of noises when they spit, and don't know how to tuck their pinch toward the back of their mouth, are their own worst enemy when it comes to enjoying the luxuries of dipping.

Most importantly, I can dip, take it out, and within seconds walk into a meeting without anyone having a clue. I smoked when I was younger and I hated the residual odor. I also hated that there was no real way of hiding it. I'm not ashamed by any means. Sometimes I just don't want everyone to know. It's much easier to maintain a professional image when you don't have lingering odor for hours. It also affected running and weight lifting. No, dipping is not a healthy alternative......but being a physically active person, it doesn't hinder my performance. And lastly, being that I rent my home, I don't need to walk outside every time I need a nicotine fix.



TL:DR -- Yes, dipping is gross. But being a former smoker and now a current dipper, it is by far more advantageous to dip than it is to smoke.
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im more disgusted by dipping. Some people can be discreet, but the ones that are carrying around a mt. dew bottle and spit into it mid conversation makes me want to vomit.


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You guys sound like anti gunners. Substitute firearms for tobacco in this conversation. Personal freedom?
I'm not a smoker but I don't hate smokers or chewers.




Who said anything about hating those who do either?

This isn't even anything close to being similar.
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This. So disgusting. My roommates desk has like, 25 dr pepper spitter cans on it at any one time.
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Link Posted: 5/9/2013 6:26:01 PM EST
Smoking is more appealing to the eye, but not to health. Not to say that dip is a healthy habit tho.
Despite what some may say dip IS a safer alternative to smoking.
Packing lips of Copenhagen is my thing though, although I don't mind a cigarillo here and there
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Link Posted: 5/9/2013 6:27:02 PM EST

Originally Posted By slowkota1:
Smoking is way nastier!

It smells nasty, affects everyone else who is around, and people feel its alright to toss their butts all over the ground.

If it wasn't for smokers, there would be no need for "police calls".
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Link Posted: 5/9/2013 6:30:24 PM EST
Originally Posted By Finslayer83:
I toss in a pouch at work every now and then.

No one knows, there is no spit, and nothing in my teeth.


Bingo! If I'm in public I'll use Camel Snus. If it's just me or a few buddies tho, I'll pull out a
can of whatever I have.
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Link Posted: 5/9/2013 6:49:16 PM EST
As a person who smoked for a few years and then dipped, dipping was by far the nastiest with the. spit cups/bottles.
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Link Posted: 5/9/2013 8:34:26 PM EST
I may be biased, but I hate smokers, only when they smell. Quite honestly, its annoying to get into a car when it wreaks of smoke because someone in it is a smoker. Dipping is much lower signature, as its about a spit bottle, and thats it. I dont walk around with horseshoes in, or drool all over the floor. Usually I spit only loose pieces out.

So Smoking is worse.
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