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Posted: 4/18/2013 4:50:39 AM EST

Originally Posted By OlKev:
What votes are left, if any?
I thought I heard Reid say something yesterday about having a vote on something this morning.



Not sure. I asked that on last nights thread. But you can watch it here.
http://www.c-span.org/Live-Video/C-SPAN2/
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Posted: 4/18/2013 4:55:06 AM EST
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Originally Posted By OlKev:
What votes are left, if any?
I thought I heard Reid say something yesterday about having a vote on something this morning.



Not sure. I asked that on last nights thread. But you can watch it here.
http://www.c-span.org/Live-Video/C-SPAN2/


Two amendment votes left in the queue.

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Posted: 4/18/2013 5:02:06 AM EST
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Originally Posted By hawaiinate:
Originally Posted By AJE:
Originally Posted By medicmandan:
Originally Posted By Bat-Masterson:
Originally Posted By medicmandan:
Can someone point me to this 90% poll they keep quoting? What was the survey population? Margin of error? Who conducted the poll? What were the actual questions asked?


It was 3 states 1000 phone calls

PA
NJ
and forgot the other state, in that same poll they also asked if background checks would lead to a nation firearm register 60% said yes.



Got a link to the study? Coworker has bought that stat hook, line and sinker. Would be nice to show him why it's a bad number.


I'd like to see this too


as would I, 90% has been the mythical figure tossed about by obummer and I have yet to see any source.


poll in question

New Jersey, Pennsylvania, and Virginia.

Those three are clearly indicative of the entire country
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Posted: 4/18/2013 5:02:45 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Twitchy:

Originally Posted By OlKev:
What votes are left, if any?
I thought I heard Reid say something yesterday about having a vote on something this morning.



Not sure. I asked that on last nights thread. But you can watch it here.
http://www.c-span.org/Live-Video/C-SPAN2/
Looks like there is going to be a vote on S. 649: Safe Communities, Safe Schools Act of 2013, the "foundation" bill on which all of the votes on the amendments were made yesterday. Supposed to start at 12PM ET.

Anybody have anything different?

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Posted: 4/18/2013 5:04:45 AM EST
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Originally Posted By hawaiinate:
Originally Posted By AJE:
Originally Posted By medicmandan:
Originally Posted By Bat-Masterson:
Originally Posted By medicmandan:
Can someone point me to this 90% poll they keep quoting? What was the survey population? Margin of error? Who conducted the poll? What were the actual questions asked?


It was 3 states 1000 phone calls

PA
NJ
and forgot the other state, in that same poll they also asked if background checks would lead to a nation firearm register 60% said yes.



Got a link to the study? Coworker has bought that stat hook, line and sinker. Would be nice to show him why it's a bad number.


I'd like to see this too


as would I, 90% has been the mythical figure tossed about by obummer and I have yet to see any source.


ETA: someone posted it while I was replying... thanks!

Has anyone found a link to info on this? I would LOVE to have something to shove back at everyone yelling that the Senate didnt listen to 90% of the country.
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Posted: 4/18/2013 5:09:12 AM EST
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Posted: 4/18/2013 5:09:55 AM EST
Originally Posted By bg10:
Originally Posted By hawaiinate:
Originally Posted By AJE:
Originally Posted By medicmandan:
Originally Posted By Bat-Masterson:
Originally Posted By medicmandan:
Can someone point me to this 90% poll they keep quoting? What was the survey population? Margin of error? Who conducted the poll? What were the actual questions asked?


It was 3 states 1000 phone calls

PA
NJ
and forgot the other state, in that same poll they also asked if background checks would lead to a nation firearm register 60% said yes.



Got a link to the study? Coworker has bought that stat hook, line and sinker. Would be nice to show him why it's a bad number.


I'd like to see this too


as would I, 90% has been the mythical figure tossed about by obummer and I have yet to see any source.


poll in question

New Jersey, Pennsylvania, and Virginia.

Those three are clearly indicative of the entire country


Trying to pull that poll apart, am I blind... or does that page not state how many people were polled?
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Posted: 4/18/2013 5:22:45 AM EST
So there are two more amendments to be voted on at noon eastern today, and then the original bill is to be voted on?
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Posted: 4/18/2013 5:27:51 AM EST
Originally Posted By OlKev:

Originally Posted By Twitchy:

Originally Posted By OlKev:
What votes are left, if any?
I thought I heard Reid say something yesterday about having a vote on something this morning.



Not sure. I asked that on last nights thread. But you can watch it here.
http://www.c-span.org/Live-Video/C-SPAN2/
Looks like there is going to be a vote on S. 649: Safe Communities, Safe Schools Act of2013, the "foundation" bill on which all of the votes on the amendments were made yesterday. Supposed to start at 12PM ET.

Anybody have anything different?



Can I ask where you read this and what cspan channel is covering it? I'd like to listen in an hr and a half. Thanks
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Posted: 4/18/2013 5:28:04 AM EST
they are voting on the original bill today.

I think it will pass due to backlash from yesterday
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Posted: 4/18/2013 5:31:38 AM EST
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they are voting on the original bill today.

I think it will pass due to backlash from yesterday


The Manchin-Toomey amendment had the widest amount of support and was shot down.

I think that the whole thing will go down in flames today
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Posted: 4/18/2013 5:33:36 AM EST

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they are voting on the original bill today.

I think it will pass due to backlash from yesterday

Are you trolling?

All you post is doom and gloom "OMG it's going to pass", then it doesn't pass and you say "OMG, this even worse option is going to pass" etc etc.
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Posted: 4/18/2013 5:33:53 AM EST
What time is the vote? Anyone have a link to where it can be watched?
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Posted: 4/18/2013 5:34:53 AM EST
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What time is the vote? Anyone have a link to where it can be watched?


Noon I believe and you should be able to see it via Live Video at C-SPAN
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Posted: 4/18/2013 5:35:18 AM EST
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they are voting on the original bill today.

I think it will pass due to backlash from yesterday




Just stop. You were predicting 100% chance of UBC passing, 90% of Mag capacity limit and 70% of AWB yesterday. You were wrong then, and you're wrong today.

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Posted: 4/18/2013 5:42:54 AM EST
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Status updates for the amendments voted on yesterday are posted here (click on AMENDMENTS):

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d113:SN00649:|/home/LegislativeData.php?n=BSS;c=113|

I count 7 votes held yesterday. I thought there was supposed to be 8? So at least one more vote should follow today.
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Posted: 4/18/2013 5:50:50 AM EST
Cornyn is up now, giving Obama hell about his "low road" attack yesterday....
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Posted: 4/18/2013 5:51:46 AM EST
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No Homo, but damn, I love Sen. Cornyn! Calling it as it is! May just have to donate $$$$ Today to that guy.
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Posted: 4/18/2013 5:59:45 AM EST
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So is there another vote on these amendments today? Im confused, I thought they were struck down yesterday. Sorry that's probably a dumb question.
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Posted: 4/18/2013 6:04:03 AM EST

Originally Posted By GoWYO__:
Originally Posted By OlKev:

Originally Posted By Twitchy:

Originally Posted By OlKev:
What votes are left, if any?
I thought I heard Reid say something yesterday about having a vote on something this morning.



Not sure. I asked that on last nights thread. But you can watch it here.
http://www.c-span.org/Live-Video/C-SPAN2/
Looks like there is going to be a vote on S. 649: Safe Communities, Safe Schools Act of2013, the "foundation" bill on which all of the votes on the amendments were made yesterday. Supposed to start at 12PM ET.

Anybody have anything different?



Can I ask where you read this and what cspan channel is covering it? I'd like to listen in an hr and a half. Thanks
http://www.c-span.org/Live-Video/C-SPAN2/
Once you get to the C-SPAN page click on the C-SPAN2 tab and it shows the schedule:
  • 9:30am (ET)
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Posted: 4/18/2013 6:10:34 AM EST
Originally Posted By RebelAR-15:
So is there another vote on these amendments today? Im confused, I thought they were struck down yesterday. Sorry that's probably a dumb question.


There are no dumb questions if you're trying to inform yourself man. There will not be another vote on those amendments that were votes down yesterday. There could always be an introduction of a new piece of legislation containing the same bullshit as the amendments but we will have to wait and see. I think the democrats got the idea yesterday that this is NOT what the American people want. Watching bam bam squirm about over it was priceless. Enjoy today as the UBC bill gets votes down here in about an hr.
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Posted: 4/18/2013 6:15:08 AM EST
So they just need 50 votes to pass the original bill, correct?
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Posted: 4/18/2013 6:20:42 AM EST
Originally Posted By GoWYO__:
Originally Posted By RebelAR-15:
So is there another vote on these amendments today? Im confused, I thought they were struck down yesterday. Sorry that's probably a dumb question.


There are no dumb questions if you're trying to inform yourself man. There will not be another vote on those amendments that were votes down yesterday. There could always be an introduction of a new piece of legislation containing the same bullshit as the amendments but we will have to wait and see. I think the democrats got the idea yesterday that this is NOT what the American people want. Watching bam bam squirm about over it was priceless. Enjoy today as the UBC bill gets votes down here in about an hr.


Thanks for the info. So if the bill gets voted down again today thats the end of the preposed legislation (for now)?
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Posted: 4/18/2013 6:22:34 AM EST
The bill itself is not supposed to see a vote today. Reid said yesterday (It was on twitter) that they'll vote the amendments and then pull the bill so that the bill can be reintroduced at a later date.

I believe the bill still needs 60 votes just like the amendments, although I could be wrong.
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Posted: 4/18/2013 6:24:07 AM EST
Originally Posted By medicmandan:


Down at the bottom of the page are links to the demographics:

1134 registered voters in Virginia.
Republican 26%
Democrat 34
Independent 29
Other/DK/NA 10

1647 registered voters in New Jersey
Republican 23%
Democrat 35
Independent 36
Other/DK/NA 5

1221 registered voters in Pennsylvania
Republican 30%
Democrat 39
Independent 25
Other/DK/NA 6









Awesome, thanks!

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Posted: 4/18/2013 6:36:29 AM EST
My fucking nerves can not keep taking this......I want a vote on the original bill today, so we can be done with this -----a least for a little while......I know the attack on our rights never really ends.
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Posted: 4/18/2013 6:39:52 AM EST
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My fucking nerves can not keep taking this......I want a vote on the original bill today, so we can be done with this -----a least for a little while......I know the attack on our rights never really ends.


Is there anything left in the bill thats a problem? ... though I guess it has no chance at this point.
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Posted: 4/18/2013 6:42:42 AM EST
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Blumenthal is up right now blaming the filibuster as an evil anti-democratic tool of right wing nazis to push the murderous agenda of a vocal minority of NRA members onto the peace loving 90% of all 'Mericans who support the Dem's common sense proposals.

He's "speaking in both sorrow and anger"



How could the Senate slap the faces of those brave Newtown families who just want to protect the chillins (despite the fact that even their own side said none of this would have stopped Sandy Hook).

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Posted: 4/18/2013 6:43:01 AM EST
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Blumenthal on right now claiming he will "double his efforts"

Link for those who want it: http://www.c-span.org/Live-Video/C-SPAN2/
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Posted: 4/18/2013 6:43:21 AM EST
Originally Posted By NYHCx516x:
Originally Posted By DwayneHicks:
My fucking nerves can not keep taking this......I want a vote on the original bill today, so we can be done with this -----a least for a little while......I know the attack on our rights never really ends.


Is there anything left in the bill thats a problem? ... though I guess it has no chance at this point.


Yes, the original bill has MUCH worse UBC in it than the Toomey amendment. Essentially if you're not CLOSELY related, you have to have a UBC. NY style.

The base bill is still a threat.
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Posted: 4/18/2013 6:43:42 AM EST
Originally Posted By NYHCx516x:
Originally Posted By DwayneHicks:
My fucking nerves can not keep taking this......I want a vote on the original bill today, so we can be done with this -----a least for a little while......I know the attack on our rights never really ends.


Is there anything left in the bill thats a problem? ... though I guess it has no chance at this point.


To be honest I am not sure. The text of the bill is a few pages back, like 58 or 59. Regardless, the Amendments can come up again (and others like em) if the Bill does not die today and hangs around.
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Posted: 4/18/2013 6:43:50 AM EST
Dick Blue Mentol is whining right now on cspan in the senate chamber.
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Posted: 4/18/2013 6:45:37 AM EST
This is so disgusting........Man has no shame.
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Posted: 4/18/2013 6:47:34 AM EST
Originally Posted By kab85:
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Originally Posted By DwayneHicks:
My fucking nerves can not keep taking this......I want a vote on the original bill today, so we can be done with this -----a least for a little while......I know the attack on our rights never really ends.


Is there anything left in the bill thats a problem? ... though I guess it has no chance at this point.


Yes, the original bill has MUCH worse UBC in it than the Toomey amendment. Essentially if you're not CLOSELY related, you have to have a UBC. NY style.

The base bill is still a threat.


This. But it sounds like Reid will pull the bill from the floor after the two amendment votes.
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Posted: 4/18/2013 6:47:52 AM EST
2 more amendments will be voted on today...... Things that they simply didn't get to yesterday.

The big ones (UBC, AWB, mag capacity limits) were done yesterday and everything was defeated.
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Blumenthal: "Votes have consequences..."

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I'd suggest we do what the Allies League of Nations/UN did after WWII in creating the state of Israel for Jewish refugees. We'll carve off part of the US, say, southern New York, all of New Jersey and most of Maryland, and declare it a liberal paradise and welcome them to relocate there to start their new gun-free lives.
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Posted: 4/18/2013 6:49:08 AM EST
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I'd suggest we do what the Allies did after WWII in creating the state of Israel for Jewish refugees. We'll carve off part of the US, say, southern New York, all of New Jersey and most of Maryland, and declare it a liberal paradise and welcome them to relocate there to start their new gun-free lives.


I would be completely OK with this.
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Posted: 4/18/2013 6:49:21 AM EST
Am I wrong to not be breathing a sigh of relief just yet?

Obama's angry backlash, the bill being pulled rather then killed outright, the two remaining votes today.

Not trying to be a worry wart (even though I am) but how hard would it be for Reid to change the votes required to a simple majority, do a little more arm twisting and cram the bill down everyones throat last minute with some kind of voice vote bullshit (see 86 MG ban and how it was tacked on to the FOPA).

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Sorry for being the harbinger of gloom and doom but I trust these fuckers not at all.
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Posted: 4/18/2013 6:49:27 AM EST
Originally Posted By NYHCx516x:
Originally Posted By medicmandan:


Down at the bottom of the page are links to the demographics:

1134 registered voters in Virginia.
Republican 26%
Democrat 34
Independent 29
Other/DK/NA 10

1647 registered voters in New Jersey
Republican 23%
Democrat 35
Independent 36
Other/DK/NA 5

1221 registered voters in Pennsylvania
Republican 30%
Democrat 39
Independent 25
Other/DK/NA 6









Awesome, thanks!



Gee, I wonder what the results would be if they polled say Texas, Arkansas and Missouri? Hell take any 3 fly over states!
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Posted: 4/18/2013 6:50:19 AM EST
Originally Posted By 223-Buckaroo:
2 more amendments will be voted on today...... Things that they simply didn't get to yesterday.

The big ones (UBC, AWB, mag capacity limits) were done yesterday and everything was defeated.


This is exactly what I was wondering, thanks!
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Posted: 4/18/2013 6:50:56 AM EST
Blumenthal is pissed
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Posted: 4/18/2013 6:51:30 AM EST
isnt his frickin time up yet?
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Posted: 4/18/2013 6:51:40 AM EST
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I'm enjoying watching Blumenthal talk... he's essentially giving a eulogy to gun control and to his career.
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Posted: 4/18/2013 6:53:13 AM EST
You better hope the arc of history doesn't bend towards justice you worthless POS.
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Posted: 4/18/2013 6:59:01 AM EST
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I hope the good people of CT vote this fucktard out of office.


Not much hope in that. There are too few good people and too many limousine liberals and FSA types.
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Posted: 4/18/2013 7:01:54 AM EST
Voting resumes. Barrasco amendment on privacy for private gun owner info now.
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