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Link Posted: 4/8/2013 11:17:45 AM EDT
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Billy the Kid is dead, and he aint never comin back.


Yes, Billy is dead, but he is one of the most famous and well known  of all Americans.  He has fans all over the place and women still swoon over his memory.  Something about the saga of Billy Bonney has lite the imaginations of literally millions of people.  There have been about 1,500 books written about the boy.  Maybe 50 movies are either about Billy or the main charactor is based upon him.  So, while Billy is gone his memory lives on and people scramble to learn more about him.  If he knew about his fame he'd fall over laughing.  

Link Posted: 4/8/2013 11:20:29 AM EDT
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All my knowledge on this comes from the movies so forgive me.

Pat Garett never rode with BTK after the LCW did he?

How much of those movies are BS?

What about Arkansas Dave?


From my reading...

A lot of the things you see in Young Guns actually did happen, but as with most movies the timelines are messed up and they add their own spin to the relationships.  I believe Ark Dave was real and I believe he did spend some time with BTK after the LCW.

I think the relationship between Garret and The Kid was exaggerated.


Dave Rudabaugh was very real.  He was also hated by men like Doc Holliday(bad card game/gambling issue) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Rudabaugh


Too bad that portion of history wasn't better documented. Funny how lots of those crossed paths but know body knew.


Here's a picture of who I believe is Rudabaugh.  I found it within Sallie's collection of tintypes.  http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa23/GermVMA211/Regulators/Newgroupingofcollection061.jpg

Link Posted: 4/8/2013 11:44:48 AM EDT
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It is fun to compare the story of the Kid as shown in Young Guns and the real thing. Once again,  I believe Sallie's collection of photos of the Regulators and it is her photos that I am showing here. In Sallie's pictures the men look very youthful and they were.  They are young in Young Guns too. In reality they were quite well dressed even tho when posing they probably wore duds provided for them by the photographer.  When we view the famous "Upham" photo we see the kid as he dressed when he was out on the open range.  In some cases I have pictures of two men wearing the same clothing.  This is intersting.  I means that the men probably knew one another and were possibly pals.  Here you see Jim Smith and John Jones.  I've never been able to understand the relationship between Jones and the Kid.  Apparently they were friends, but Jones was a member of the Seven River's bunch who sided with the House Ring.  However he was murdered in cold blood by Bob Olinger. One reason some say that the kid seemed to kill the deputy with such relish.  
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa23/GermVMA211/Regulators/HaroldEMcCarty2088.jpg
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa23/GermVMA211/Regulators/BillypicturesMarch307048.jpg

I'm going to have to take another picture of the Jones tintype.  The original is better.  But I think you can see that the two men are wearing the same clothing.
Link Posted: 4/8/2013 11:27:19 PM EDT
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Fantastic updates!

Link Posted: 4/9/2013 3:33:14 AM EDT
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Great photos.Thanks for posting.
Link Posted: 4/9/2013 3:43:56 AM EDT
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i found one in color

































Link Posted: 4/9/2013 10:32:08 AM EDT
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i found one in color
Ha!  He looks a little like the kid may have looked.  The picture was probably taken in Lincoln because the hills in the background look right.  They are about that far away.  The actor is facing south and the hills are, obviously, off to the North.  The Capitan Mounts.  

Here is a picture of what the Kid's Colt Lightening may have looked like.

http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa23/GermVMA211/Gun%20Stuff/MoregunsJSmithandJohnJ083.jpg
































http://dsaviosoares.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/emilio-estevez-billy1.jpg?w=300&h=300


Link Posted: 4/9/2013 3:16:42 PM EDT
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Billy was a real gun nut.  George Coe said that he was either shooting his pistol or cleaning it.  He owned several pistols.  We can see from the Upham photo that he carried a Colt SAA.  He hood winked old Patre Pollack out of a Colt Lightening, a .38 Long Colt.  That pistol was confiscated from him when he was arrested.  He probably lost a Winchester too.  Not long before he died someone loaned him a Colt Thunderer, which was like the Lightening only a 41 caliber.  If he was carrying a pistol the night he was killed that was probably the one.  There is a photo of him holding a very nice Winchester '73 3/4 magazine rifle that he probably took from Pete Maxwell. Willi Chisum said "If the kid wanted anything he just took it."  Well, that's probably right.

Those early DA Colts were popular.  Pat Garrett carried one, but he probably killed the kid with a standard Colt SAA...I've read it was a 44/40.  They were brand new in that caliber when the kid was killed.  Most were 45's, but they didn't make the 73 Winchester in 45 Colt in those days, so Colt started making their SAA in 44/40 sso the rounds would fit the rifle.

George Coe, who lived until 1941 said that he was a better rifle shot than the kid was, but that the kid was better with a pistol.  He probably was. Coe also said that the kid never cared much about money except to buy cartridges with. Shells in those days were expensive costing fifty cents a box or half a day's wages.  (The kid, however" said he was owned $4 a day when he worked for Tunstall and Chisum.)  Billy never had much of value.  His horse, maybe his watch and the clothes on his back.  Coe, however said that if there was a "clean shirt in town, it was on the Kid's back".
Link Posted: 5/19/2013 9:52:18 AM EDT
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While re-reading this thread about Billy the Kid I note that I failed to post pictures of some of the men who were killed by Billy the Kid.  Both of these were collected by Sallie Chisum.  I found them in the same little store where I found the others.  There are several known pictures to match these to and I am confident that they are authentic.  

Here is a photo of Sheriff William Bradty.  He was often called "Major Brady" because he spent ten years in the military.  One can easily see his military baring here. I have reversed this from the tintype, which are mirror images so that we see his hair parted on his left.  There is another picture of Brady that shows that same hair cut. He liked wearing garish ties.

http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa23/GermVMA211/Dolan%20Men/WmBrady-1.jpg


This man is "Bob" Olinger.  Billy blew the deputy away with his own heavily loaded double barreled shotgun on 28 April 1881.  Lily Casey, in her bio claimed to be engaged to Olinger.  I think the women posing with him might be Lily.  While Olinger had sisters, this pose just doesn't look brother/sister to me.  This tintype would have been taken soon before his death. He was 47 when he died.  He liked to pose with his ankles crossed as we see him here.

http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa23/GermVMA211/Dolan%20Men/SCcollection1053.jpg  

Link Posted: 5/19/2013 4:56:43 PM EDT
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While re-reading this thread about Billy the Kid I note that I failed to post pictures of some of the men who were killed by Billy the Kid.  Both of these were collected by Sallie Chisum.  I found them in the same little store where I found the others.  There are several known pictures to match these to and I am confident that they are authentic.  

Here is a photo of Sheriff William Bradty.  He was often called "Major Brady" because he spent ten years in the military.  One can easily see his military baring here. I have reversed this from the tintype, which are mirror images so that we see his hair parted on his left.  There is another picture of Brady that shows that same hair cut. He liked wearing garish ties.

<a href="http://s200.photobucket.com/user/GermVMA211/media/Dolan%20Men/WmBrady-1.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa23/GermVMA211/Dolan%20Men/WmBrady-1.jpg</a>


This man is "Bob" Olinger.  Billy blew the deputy away with his own heavily loaded double barreled shotgun on 28 April 1881.  Lily Casey, in her bio claimed to be engaged to Olinger.  I think the women posing with him might be Lily.  While Olinger had sisters, this pose just doesn't look brother/sister to me.  This tintype would have been taken soon before his death. He was 47 when he died.  He liked to pose with his ankles crossed as we see him here.

<a href="http://s200.photobucket.com/user/GermVMA211/media/Dolan%20Men/SCcollection1053.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa23/GermVMA211/Dolan%20Men/SCcollection1053.jpg</a>  




Hi Bob!

This is still a great thread.
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