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Slamming members of Congress as irresponsible, Panetta said lawmakers are willing to push the country off a fiscal cliff to damage their opposing political parties.
He said that if Congress doesn't pass a budget the Pentagon will have to absorb $46 billion in spending reductions in this fiscal year and will face a $35 billion shortfall in operating expenses.


Mostly theatrical posturing to bash congress.



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The Air Force warned that it would cut operations at various missile defense radar sites from 24 hours to eight hours.
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wonder what they are going to do with it, just let it sit and rust
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Posted: 2/6/2013 3:37:51 PM
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The Air Force warned that it would cut operations at various missile defense radar sites from 24 hours to eight hours.

Ummm...

What does that mean?
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The Air Force warned that it would cut operations at various missile defense radar sites from 24 hours to eight hours.


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Posted: 2/6/2013 3:39:01 PM
I heard they were trying to outsource the deployment to India.
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Originally Posted By Taktikos:
Originally Posted By dport:
The Air Force warned that it would cut operations at various missile defense radar sites from 24 hours to eight hours.

Ummm...

What does that mean?


It means, comrade, you will have a launch window of 16 hours......
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Same ole Same ole. Why is anyone shocked.
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That's some crazy shit.....
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This could not possibly give comfort to our enemies.
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Originally Posted By Frank_The_Tank:
Originally Posted By Taktikos:
Originally Posted By dport:
The Air Force warned that it would cut operations at various missile defense radar sites from 24 hours to eight hours.

Ummm...

What does that mean?


It means, comrade, you will have a launch window of 16 hours......


Somehow I think they will not shut them all down for the same 16 hours.
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Is this a true story? How many deployments have been canceled ever since we had a Navy?
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Originally Posted By Lomshek:
Slamming members of Congress as irresponsible, Panetta said lawmakers are willing to push the country off a fiscal cliff to damage their opposing political parties.
He said that if Congress doesn't pass a budget the Pentagon will have to absorb $46 billion in spending reductions in this fiscal year and will face a $35 billion shortfall in operating expenses.


Mostly theatrical posturing to bash congress.



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yep.
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The Air Force warned that it would cut operations at various missile defense radar sites from 24 hours to eight hours.

In before sylvan.

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Originally Posted By ceverett:

Originally Posted By dport:
The Air Force warned that it would cut operations at various missile defense radar sites from 24 hours to eight hours.

In before sylvan.




Fiance ( who is on the U.S.S. Stennis) says that the Stennis is the ONLY battle group out right now. That out of i think 10 carriers.
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This is just Obama playing chicken with the GOP. You can't tell me that there is not other stuff that could be cut. They are going to make a big deal about cutting "important" stuff, to make the crisis seem worst.
Hope the fucker swerves right into the ditch.
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Each and every one of those fucksticks in DC is to blame. I'm so sick of this partisan bullshit coloring even the most fundamental of govermental responsibilities. Is it really going to be 4 more years of this log-jam shit?
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wonder what they are going to do with it, just let it sit and rust


Knowing the folks we have running the zoo they may sell it to China. Who knows maybe they already own it
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Originally Posted By djburnett:

Originally Posted By ceverett:

Originally Posted By dport:
The Air Force warned that it would cut operations at various missile defense radar sites from 24 hours to eight hours.

In before sylvan.




Fiance ( who is on the U.S.S. Stennis) says that the Stennis is the ONLY battle group out right now. That out of i think 10 carriers.



The Navy updates this periodically:
http://www.navy.mil/navydata/nav_legacy.asp?id=146

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Originally Posted By Taktikos:
Originally Posted By dport:
The Air Force warned that it would cut operations at various missile defense radar sites from 24 hours to eight hours.

Ummm...

What does that mean?

What specific sites?
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Originally Posted By E__WOK:


Is this a true story? How many deployments have been canceled ever since we had a Navy?


None of the ones I was scheduled for
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Sequestration is 100% win for the democraps:

  • They eliminate a large group of Republican voters (80% of those who will lose their jobs vote Republican)

  • The money saved from military operations can be given to the FSA to buy more votes

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There's an obvious war being fought against anyone on the right - this being another major step.

Where and when will the line be drawn?
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Bet those families are happy but the bigger story is its not just the carrier. No carrier goes out alone. An entire air wing and strike group is no longer pulling out. I would bet close to 10k people not deploying now.
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Originally Posted By Taktikos:
Originally Posted By dport:
The Air Force warned that it would cut operations at various missile defense radar sites from 24 hours to eight hours.

Ummm...

What does that mean?


You have your chance.

FIRST STRIKE!!!

Do you feel lucky?



Seriously, am I the only guy wondering why we still even spend money manning "missile defense radar sites" 24/7?

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They'll cut the OPTEMPO of the forward forces, support equipment, and pay/benefits, BUT they won't cut acquisition of high $$$ pet projects like the problem plagued F-35. Too many jobs at risk in some senators district if that were to happen. The jackasses on the hill NEVER give a shit about the troops in the field unless there's a photo op. involved that can help them get re-elected, then they're all waving the flag and sporting yellow ribbons.
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Brinkmanship. We will suffer for it. The mentally ill and criminals are running the government.
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Seriously, am I the only guy wondering why we still even spend money manning "missile defense radar sites" 24/7?



Is that a serious fucking question?
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Seriously, am I the only guy wondering why we still even spend money manning "missile defense radar sites" 24/7?



Is that a serious fucking question?


Is that a serious fucking threat?

One that can't be handled remotely, if so?
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The Air Force warned that it would cut operations at various missile defense radar sites from 24 hours to eight hours.


Holy fuck.
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Originally Posted By Bohr_Adam:
Seriously, am I the only guy wondering why we still even spend money manning "missile defense radar sites" 24/7?



Is that a serious fucking question?


Is that a serious fucking threat?

One that can't be handled remotely, if so?


The short answer is that there is only one threat to the U.S. that is truly existential, and operates in a 30-60 minute time decision envelope.

Everything else the DoD is doing is just nice-to-have, at the end of the day, and its dependent upon our strategic deterrence posture.
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In other news, golf courses on AF bases will now have expanded hours.
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The Air Force warned that it would cut operations at various missile defense radar sites from 24 hours to eight hours.




You of course know that golf course operations are paid for with non-appropriated funds generated by their own operations. But that won't stop you from being "clever".
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Originally Posted By Frank_The_Tank:
Originally Posted By Taktikos:
Originally Posted By dport:
The Air Force warned that it would cut operations at various missile defense radar sites from 24 hours to eight hours.

Ummm...

What does that mean?


It means, comrade, you will have a launch window of 16 hours......


Somehow I think they will not shut them all down for the same 16 hours.

We don't have that kind of redundancy.

AF cannot be serious.
AF shouldn't even have that authority.
That is STRATCOM's decision. If it isn't, AF is worse than I thought.

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Originally Posted By Bohr_Adam:
Originally Posted By Screechjet1:
Originally Posted By Bohr_Adam:
Seriously, am I the only guy wondering why we still even spend money manning "missile defense radar sites" 24/7?



Is that a serious fucking question?


Is that a serious fucking threat?

One that can't be handled remotely, if so?


The short answer is that there is only one threat to the U.S. that is truly existential, and operates in a 30-60 minute time decision envelope.

Everything else the DoD is doing is just nice-to-have, at the end of the day, and its dependent upon our strategic deterrence posture.


What ever happened to wargaming by putting yourself in the enemy's shoes?

And, you didn't answer my question. If responding to a nuclear strike within 30 minutes is so important, why can't we do that remotely? How many stations do we have to man? Enough to destroy how many cities how many times?
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We don't have that kind of redundancy.

AF cannot be serious.
AF shouldn't even have that authority.
That is STRATCOM's decision. If it isn't, AF is worse than I thought.



There has to be to this.
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Originally Posted By Screechjet1:
Originally Posted By Bohr_Adam:
Originally Posted By Screechjet1:
Originally Posted By Bohr_Adam:
Seriously, am I the only guy wondering why we still even spend money manning "missile defense radar sites" 24/7?



Is that a serious fucking question?


Is that a serious fucking threat?

One that can't be handled remotely, if so?


The short answer is that there is only one threat to the U.S. that is truly existential, and operates in a 30-60 minute time decision envelope.

Everything else the DoD is doing is just nice-to-have, at the end of the day, and its dependent upon our strategic deterrence posture.


What ever happened to wargaming by putting yourself in the enemy's shoes?

And, you didn't answer my question. If responding to a nuclear strike within 30 minutes is so important, why can't we do that remotely? How many stations do we have to man? Enough to destroy how many cities how many times?



Man in the loop is critical when it comes to ending the world as we know it.

seriously, this is bigger than any CAS bullshit.
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Originally Posted By djburnett:

Originally Posted By ceverett:

Originally Posted By dport:
The Air Force warned that it would cut operations at various missile defense radar sites from 24 hours to eight hours.

In before sylvan.




Fiance ( who is on the U.S.S. Stennis) says that the Stennis is the ONLY battle group out right now. That out of i think 10 carriers.



The Navy updates this periodically:
http://www.navy.mil/navydata/nav_legacy.asp?id=146



Back a few weeks or maybe a month when we were discussing all the CVN's in Norfolk & Newport News, the Stennis group was the only one out. Lemme see if I can dig up the map.


Not a lot smarter but another year old...
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Originally Posted By Taktikos:
Originally Posted By dport:
The Air Force warned that it would cut operations at various missile defense radar sites from 24 hours to eight hours.

Ummm...

What does that mean?


You have your chance.

FIRST STRIKE!!!

Do you feel lucky?



Seriously, am I the only guy wondering why we still even spend money manning "missile defense radar sites" 24/7?


Yes.
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The Air Force warned that it would cut operations at various missile defense radar sites from 24 hours to eight hours.


Holy fuck.


Thought you'd enjoy that.
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Originally Posted By FunYun1983:
Originally Posted By Frank_The_Tank:
Originally Posted By Taktikos:
Originally Posted By dport:
The Air Force warned that it would cut operations at various missile defense radar sites from 24 hours to eight hours.

Ummm...

What does that mean?


It means, comrade, you will have a launch window of 16 hours......


Somehow I think they will not shut them all down for the same 16 hours.

We don't have that kind of redundancy.

AF cannot be serious.
AF shouldn't even have that authority.
That is STRATCOM's decision. If it isn't, AF is worse than I thought.



In my experience the difference between STRATCOM and the USAF is small indeed.
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