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Posted: 12/14/2012 5:10:42 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Durka-Durka: Originally Posted By MarkNH: Originally Posted By Marshmellow: So this means he was NOT in the woods outside the school. So who was the "suspect" in the woods if there was even one? There are eyewitness accounts of someone (in camo?) being dragged from the woods shouting that he wasn't involved, my guess is someone unrelated to the shooting, is it still hunting season in CT? (just checked, shotgun season is closed, still bow and muzzleloader season) Where are the sources for that story? I've seen it repeated here, but no links. A lot of places have stopped mentioning it, he was last reported to be a person of interest not a suspect. WSFB Channel 3 (local news station) reported earlier (but I can no longer find the tweets): a man who was hiding in the woods in camouflage is in police custody. a second person of interest in camouflage came out of the woods and said "it wasn't me." |
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Posted: 12/14/2012 5:10:47 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By swingset: The reason it keeps happening is because we have a 24/7 media blitz that makes cultural icons out of the animals that are self-destructive...and they know they can only be remembered and talked about if they take a lot of innocent people in frenzy of violence. They're sick, but they're also keen enough to figure out that this is the path to notoriety. We had guns, mental health problems, societal discord and all of that before school rampages were so common. The media frenzy guarantees this will keep happening. Until they stop making quasi-celebrities out of killers, it'll just keep on going. As usual, you called it. |
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Posted: 12/14/2012 5:11:08 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Laramie]
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nvm, already covered
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Posted: 12/14/2012 5:11:21 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By the-fly: Originally Posted By Skullbussa: Originally Posted By ContrarianIndicator: Isn't it disgusting to know that there are many politicians who are actually eager for these events to occur so they can push their policies? The President was holding back tears in his press conference. He is obviously very upset by what happened. I am sure it suits your fantasies that Obama secretly dreams about children being murdered so he can try to push some anti-gun agenda that he doesn't really have. You think that lying piece of shit can't fake some tears when he wants to push an agenda? I don't think it was fake. I can't stand the guy, but he is human. |
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Posted: 12/14/2012 5:11:35 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Marshmellow:
Any word If Blackhawk101's wife, who was subbing there at that school today ok and safe? He reported much earlier today that he had heard from her and that she was safe.... |
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Posted: 12/14/2012 5:11:43 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Marshmellow:
Any word If Blackhawk101's wife, who was subbing there at that school today ok and safe? She is fine. |
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Posted: 12/14/2012 5:12:44 PM EDT
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It is not allowed.
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Posted: 12/14/2012 5:12:45 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Marshmellow:
Any word If Blackhawk101's wife, who was subbing there at that school today ok and safe? posted earlier that she had sent him a text advising she and her class were ok. they had been escorted out of the building by swat and she was waiting to be interviewed by investigators. |
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Posted: 12/14/2012 5:13:11 PM EDT
[Last Edit: paris-dakar]
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Originally Posted By demon07nd:
Originally Posted By paris-dakar:
Originally Posted By ErikO:
What's the bet that rather than explore Reagan-era under or non-funded mental health programs we will hear more about gun restrictions? 'Reagan-era under or non-funded mental health programs'? 
What we ought to hear about are NCLB era Special Education programs that allow obvious miscreants to skate through the system with accommodative preference due to questionable diagnoses like 'autism' (right up there with AD/HD and bipolar in the general BS level), instead of getting them in the criminal justice system where they belong. not wanting to derail the thread, but how the fuck are autism, AD/HD, and bipolar BS disorders?  They're way over-diagnosed. Just because someone has no impulse control or can't pay attention doesn't mean they have an organic disorder. Some parents just see it as a ticket to accommodative preference. Of course, you're entirely free to disagree. 
ETA Perfect example right here: <tt>
<tt>Ryan Lanza, 24, brother of gunman Adam Lanza, 20, tells authorities that his younger brother is autistic, or has Asperger syndrome and a "personality disorder.” Neighbors described the younger man to ABC as "odd” and displaying characteristics associated with obsessive-compulsive disorder...</tt></tt> There are three separate and distinct 'disorders' listed there along with the catch-all "personality disorder.”. This 'throw the shit at the wall and see what sticks' approach is common in Special Ed. This aspect of the story will only get worse. I''l bet this kid has been issues since Elementary School. |
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Posted: 12/14/2012 5:13:24 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Some_Beach:
Originally Posted By BushBoar:
Originally Posted By Screechjet1:
Originally Posted By BushBoar:
We need to have a serious conversation in this country about mental health.[ Yep...I don't know how, either. Nor I. Because whatever we do, needs to fit within constitutional parameters. We need better healthcare for mental illness, recognition of it as a true disease. The stigma needs to be done away with so that people can seek treatment without feeling shunned. People need to encourage people to seek treatment. The other side of that is the laissez-faire treatment philosophy needs to be reevaluated. |
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Posted: 12/14/2012 5:13:43 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By StephenNW:
Originally Posted By imq707s:
Damn....why is it so hard for the media to report facts, and not just something to entertain people until the real facts are discovered. The media coverage of this tragic event is disgusting !! I agree, but the media is just feeding the public what it wants. Yeah, we SAY we don't want up-to-the-second information, but in reality...more often than not, we do. That's precisely why we now have a 24/7 news cycle. Given that dynamic, much of the preliminary info we see is going to be false. It's the price we pay for wanting to know everything now, now, now. All it would take is 2 or 3 more of these shootings to go unreported and completely ignored to see them stop. |
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Posted: 12/14/2012 5:13:55 PM EDT
[#12]
Originally Posted By RR_Broccoli:
Originally Posted By TheLion:
Ryan LAnza's FB page is back up Link So I'm guessing if he was taken into custody he is released or LE is combing over his page His friend count is down to 106 from 130 some this morning. Profile pic has been shared 14 thousand times. I feel terrible for this guy. He lost both his parents and his brother today. On top of that, he was fingered for a heinous crime that it appears he had no involvement in. |
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Posted: 12/14/2012 5:14:24 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Durka-Durka: Originally Posted By M-1975: On Drudge: <tt> <tt>Ryan Lanza, 24, brother of gunman Adam Lanza, 20, tells authorities that his younger brother is autistic, or has Asperger syndrome and a "personality disorder.” Neighbors described the younger man to ABC as "odd” and displaying characteristics associated with obsessive-compulsive disorder...</tt></tt> Lots of people with that disorder in this world. How do you keep them from exacting violence on others? We don't understand mental illness well. And even in cases where we do, seriously mentally ill are rarely institutionalized anymore, due to the cost. They live in group homes with no real security to keep them in.
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Posted: 12/14/2012 5:14:28 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Marshmellow:
Originally Posted By speedracer422:
Originally Posted By Solace22:
Originally Posted By Marshmellow:
So the Facebook replies from Ryan, the first suspected shooter were real? And he did not know what his brother had done? Is there any word who the person in the woods in camo was that they arrested? I bet it was whichever brother that wasnt inside because he said "I am not the shooter." Id bet he planned all this 'massacre' stuff out with his brother like columbine then bailed on the plan once it came time to pull triggers or the police showed up. It's certainly the same guy who was posting on facebook. Whether he had any any idea about this or not...who knows? His tweets said he was on the bus on his way home from work 
Pic of Ryan Lanza being taken in for questioning: http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/12/14/article-2248327-16853563000005DC-341_634x411.jpg Speed Thanks... So this means he was NOT in the woods outside the school. So who was the "suspect" in the woods if there was even one? There's a wooded park that borders the school's fields. My guess would be a hiker. |
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Posted: 12/14/2012 5:15:00 PM EDT
[#15]
The Ryan Lanza on FB I saw looks nothing like the first picture of a Ryan Lanza I saw on FB.
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Posted: 12/14/2012 5:16:00 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By FLAJD11: Originally Posted By RR_Broccoli: Originally Posted By TheLion: Ryan LAnza's FB page is back up Link So I'm guessing if he was taken into custody he is released or LE is combing over his page His friend count is down to 106 from 130 some this morning. Profile pic has been shared 14 thousand times. I feel terrible for this guy. He lost both his parents and his brother today. On top of that, he was fingered for a heinous crime that it appears he had no involvement in. We don't know if he had no involvement in it for sure, though it kind of looks that way. Either way, the guy just lost his family and had his picture plastered all over every US news outlet Speed |
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Posted: 12/14/2012 5:16:21 PM EDT
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I hope the sick bastard is roasting slowly in Hell. |
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Posted: 12/14/2012 5:16:28 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By threefeathers: The Ryan Lanza on FB I saw looks nothing like the first picture of a Ryan Lanza I saw on FB. there was another of a black/hispanic guy with a bunch of pro-shooting stuff (pro this shooting, not a shooter) I think that one is a fake - the real one is the nerdy white guy
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Posted: 12/14/2012 5:16:31 PM EDT
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Separately, another adult was found dead in a second location in Newtown, Vance said. A senior law enforcement official familiar with the investigation told CNN the suspect’s brother was found dead at a residence.
My local News First post on the matter. Sad day it is. Anyone in connection, my condolences. |
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Posted: 12/14/2012 5:16:55 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By threefeathers: The Ryan Lanza on FB I saw looks nothing like the first picture of a Ryan Lanza I saw on FB. Its a modern fact of our sick times that within minutes of things like this there are parody sites and copycat sites created. |
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Posted: 12/14/2012 5:17:00 PM EDT
[Last Edit: demon07nd]
[#21]
Originally Posted By paris-dakar:
Originally Posted By demon07nd:
Originally Posted By paris-dakar:
Originally Posted By ErikO:
What's the bet that rather than explore Reagan-era under or non-funded mental health programs we will hear more about gun restrictions? 'Reagan-era under or non-funded mental health programs'?
What we ought to hear about are NCLB era Special Education programs that allow obvious miscreants to skate through the system with accommodative preference due to questionable diagnoses like 'autism' (right up there with AD/HD and bipolar in the general BS level), instead of getting them in the criminal justice system where they belong. not wanting to derail the thread, but how the fuck are autism, AD/HD, and bipolar BS disorders? They're way over-diagnosed. Just because someone has no impulse control or can't pay attention doesn't mean they have an organic disorder. Some parents just see it as a ticket to accommodative preference. Of course, you're entirely free to disagree. I don't want to derail the thread, so I'm just going to say that there may be cases of things being over diagnosed, but there hardly BS disorders. eta- spelling and to make my point clearer. |
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Posted: 12/14/2012 5:17:02 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Durka-Durka:
Originally Posted By M-1975:
On Drudge: <tt>
<tt>Ryan Lanza, 24, brother of gunman Adam Lanza, 20, tells authorities that his younger brother is autistic, or has Asperger syndrome and a "personality disorder.” Neighbors described the younger man to ABC as "odd” and displaying characteristics associated with obsessive-compulsive disorder...</tt></tt> Lots of people with that disorder in this world. How do you keep them from exacting violence on others? mental hospitals. |
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Posted: 12/14/2012 5:17:39 PM EDT
[#23]
Originally Posted By FLAJD11:
Originally Posted By RR_Broccoli:
Originally Posted By TheLion:
Ryan LAnza's FB page is back up Link So I'm guessing if he was taken into custody he is released or LE is combing over his page His friend count is down to 106 from 130 some this morning. Profile pic has been shared 14 thousand times. I feel terrible for this guy. He lost both his parents and his brother today. On top of that, he was fingered for a heinous crime that it appears he had no involvement in. I'm coming to this conclusion also. But, will reserve judgement. |
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Posted: 12/14/2012 5:17:42 PM EDT
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So, not knowing much about aspergers and/or autism; Would someone with that kind of mental handicap actually feel any guilt over committing these kinds of acts? Or fear of punishment? Those don't seem like normal traits from my limited knowledge.
What I'm driving at here is, would a person with aspergers who acted out violently feel any need to commit suicide after doing something like this? |
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Posted: 12/14/2012 5:18:20 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Imdelaw]
[#25]
Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:
Originally Posted By Screechjet1:
Originally Posted By ErikO:
What's the bet that rather than explore Reagan-era under or non-funded mental health programs we will hear more about gun restrictions? This...what a fucking disaster. In 1990, I had a psychiatrist tell me that the Reagan mental health cuts would blow up in our face. I didn't realize how right that guy was until the movie mass shooting, and this. Just had a long discussion with a nurse about this. It's terribly expensive to treat mental patients to modern standards. Back in the day they'd just medicate them until they were Zombies and check on them daily. I'm working on a case right now involving severe mental illness. It is astonishing to me how willing the mental health system is to put extremely dangerous mentally ill people back on the street even after committing serious acts of violence that would result in lengthy prison time for anyone else. The warning signs are there, flashing in bright lights, and they give them a prescription for this or that and just assume it will be all right. |
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Posted: 12/14/2012 5:18:42 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Agent_Funky: Thank youI have just see this on the UK news. I just wanted to offer my most sincere and and heart felt condolences to the victims, and their families, and to our friends and allies, the United States of America. This is not a time for debate, or for anything other than utter sadness and dismay. Our thought are with everyone affected by this most horrific and deeply disturbing course of events. We are thinking of all of you, especially those who have been taken from us. |
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Posted: 12/14/2012 5:19:04 PM EDT
[#27]
Originally Posted By shotgunfatcat:
Separately, another adult was found dead in a second location in Newtown, Vance said. A senior law enforcement official familiar with the investigation told CNN the suspect’s brother was found dead at a residence.
My local News First post on the matter. Sad day it is. Anyone in connection, my condolences. I was just listening to the news on the radio, and they said it was the mother that was founded dead at a residence in CT, and that it appears the guns where taken from her. So why is evryone reporting different things.
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Posted: 12/14/2012 5:19:07 PM EDT
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Daily Mail reports that Ryan Lanza's ID was found on the killer's body resulting in the confusion and misidentification.
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Posted: 12/14/2012 5:19:46 PM EDT
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There is crazy and insanity almost everywhere.
HOUSTON -- A judge in the Harris County Juvenile Justice Center ruled Thursday that a 16-year-old girl, who allegedly killed her mother by stabbing her 73-times, will stand trial as an adult. On July 16, Keri Lynn Murphy called 911 and said she and her mother, Mary Murphy, were victims of a home invasion. But homicide detectives said the evidence did not support the claim. It took several months, but now investigators believe they know what really happened. Detectives said Mary Murphy's teenage daughter and her 20-year-old girlfriend, Rebecca Keller, stabbed her to death because she was trying to keep them apart. Both have been charged with murder.
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Posted: 12/14/2012 5:19:48 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Ashraam:
So, not knowing much about aspergers and/or autism; Would someone with that kind of mental handicap actually feel any guilt over committing these kinds of acts? Or fear of punishment? Those don't seem like normal traits from my limited knowledge. What I'm driving at here is, would a person with aspergers who acted out violently feel any need to commit suicide after doing something like this? it's the personality disorder that is the issue, that is the main disconnect. |
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Posted: 12/14/2012 5:20:09 PM EDT
[#31]
Originally Posted By Some_Beach:
Originally Posted By BushBoar:
Originally Posted By Screechjet1:
Originally Posted By BushBoar:
We need to have a serious conversation in this country about mental health.[ Yep...I don't know how, either. Nor I. Because whatever we do, needs to fit within constitutional parameters. We need better healthcare for mental illness, recognition of it as a true disease. The stigma needs to be done away with so that people can seek treatment without feeling shunned. People need to encourage people to seek treatment. It's unbelievably expensive. Watched a documentary on Schizophrenia and parents dealing with children who literally one minute to the next are happy and the next chocking their kid brother to death because a dark animal in the room tells them to. It's horrifying stuff, but what was worst was what they have to pay to get their kids help or to let them stay in treatment centers. And what a SHOCKER, health insurance companies wouldn't cover it. I'm all for state funded mental health facilities that keep these people especially adults off the streets, no matter what the cost.
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Posted: 12/14/2012 5:20:16 PM EDT
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Like another poster said earlier, it'll probably be Monday before the FACTS come out...
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Posted: 12/14/2012 5:20:28 PM EDT
[Last Edit: paris-dakar]
[#33]
Originally Posted By demon07nd:
Originally Posted By paris-dakar:
Originally Posted By demon07nd:
Originally Posted By paris-dakar:
Originally Posted By ErikO:
What's the bet that rather than explore Reagan-era under or non-funded mental health programs we will hear more about gun restrictions? 'Reagan-era under or non-funded mental health programs'?
What we ought to hear about are NCLB era Special Education programs that allow obvious miscreants to skate through the system with accommodative preference due to questionable diagnoses like 'autism' (right up there with AD/HD and bipolar in the general BS level), instead of getting them in the criminal justice system where they belong. not wanting to derail the thread, but how the fuck are autism, AD/HD, and bipolar BS disorders? They're way over-diagnosed. Just because someone has no impulse control or can't pay attention doesn't mean they have an organic disorder. Some parents just see it as a ticket to accommodative preference. Of course, you're entirely free to disagree. I do't want to derail the thread, so I'm just going to say that there may be cases of things being over diagnosed, but there hardly BS. If the diagnosis can't be protected from misuse, there's an obvious BS factor at work. Perfect example right here: <tt>
<tt>Ryan Lanza, 24, brother of gunman Adam Lanza, 20, tells authorities that his younger brother is autistic, or has Asperger syndrome and a "personality disorder.” Neighbors described the younger man to ABC as "odd” and displaying characteristics associated with obsessive-compulsive disorder...</tt></tt> There are three separate and distinct 'disorders' listed there (autistic, Asperger syndrome and obsessive-compulsive disorder) along with the catch-all "personality disorder”. This 'throw the shit at the wall and see what sticks' approach is common in Special Ed. This aspect of the story will only get worse. I''l bet this kid has been issues since Elementary School. Also, it's 'they're'.
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Posted: 12/14/2012 5:21:03 PM EDT
[Last Edit: ozzie839]
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CNN reporter " a model 223 bushwacker a flock and a Sig suzaarr
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Posted: 12/14/2012 5:21:30 PM EDT
[#35]
Originally Posted By speedracer422:
Originally Posted By Solace22:
Originally Posted By Marshmellow:
So the Facebook replies from Ryan, the first suspected shooter were real? And he did not know what his brother had done? Is there any word who the person in the woods in camo was that they arrested? I bet it was whichever brother that wasnt inside because he said "I am not the shooter." Id bet he planned all this 'massacre' stuff out with his brother like columbine then bailed on the plan once it came time to pull triggers or the police showed up. It's certainly the same guy who was posting on facebook. Whether he had any any idea about this or not...who knows? His tweets said he was on the bus on his way home from work
Pic of Ryan Lanza being taken in for questioning: http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/12/14/article-2248327-16853563000005DC-341_634x411.jpg Speed hipster douchebag. not you speed. the brother. |
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Posted: 12/14/2012 5:21:32 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By demon07nd: Originally Posted By shotgunfatcat: Separately, another adult was found dead in a second location in Newtown, Vance said. A senior law enforcement official familiar with the investigation told CNN the suspect’s brother was found dead at a residence. My local News First post on the matter. Sad day it is. Anyone in connection, my condolences. I was just listening to the news on the radio, and they said it was the mother that was founded dead at a residence in CT, and that it appears the guns where taken from her. So why is evryone reporting different things. Confusion and a desire to scoop other news sources. The following is my understanding of the family situation: Adam Lanza (20) - the spree killer, deceased at the school Ryan Lanza (24, brother) - detained by police and being questioned in New Jersey ??? Lanza (mother) - deceased at the school ??? Lanza (father) - deceased at the family home
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Posted: 12/14/2012 5:21:38 PM EDT
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^ beat me to it.
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Posted: 12/14/2012 5:21:39 PM EDT
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Did the CNN reporter just call one of the weapons a "Bushwacker" and also mention a Sig Saouzer"?
I was only half listening but the Bushwacker caught my attention and then I definitely heard Sig Saouzer. |
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Posted: 12/14/2012 5:21:47 PM EDT
[#39]
Originally Posted By Ashraam:
So, not knowing much about aspergers and/or autism; Would someone with that kind of mental handicap actually feel any guilt over committing these kinds of acts? Or fear of punishment? Those don't seem like normal traits from my limited knowledge. What I'm driving at here is, would a person with aspergers who acted out violently feel any need to commit suicide after doing something like this? Depends on the severity of the autisim. |
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Posted: 12/14/2012 5:22:29 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Blackheart_Actual:
Did the CNN reporter just call one of the weapons a "Bushwacker" and also mention a Sig Saouzer"? I was only half listening but the Bushwacker caught my attention and then I definitely heard Sig Saouzer. Yup |
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Posted: 12/14/2012 5:22:38 PM EDT
[#41]
Originally Posted By 4bangin:
Originally Posted By Durka-Durka:
Originally Posted By M-1975:
On Drudge: <tt>
<tt>Ryan Lanza, 24, brother of gunman Adam Lanza, 20, tells authorities that his younger brother is autistic, or has Asperger syndrome and a "personality disorder.” Neighbors described the younger man to ABC as "odd” and displaying characteristics associated with obsessive-compulsive disorder...</tt></tt> Lots of people with that disorder in this world. How do you keep them from exacting violence on others? mental hospitals. Are you going to put everyone with autism or ADD in a hospital and be locked up for the rest of their lives? |
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Posted: 12/14/2012 5:23:17 PM EDT
[#42]
Originally Posted By hdhogrider:
Originally Posted By MarkNH:
Originally Posted By NUCdt04:
he (Ryan) was in NJ - not in the woods (from the look of the pic) Just saw that and updated, thanks. If he was in NJ the whole time, why the hell would he post that he was on a bus headed back home? Could it have been a city bus, not like a charter bus from CT? NJ Transit buses that run up and down Washington St in Hoboken. Likely for him to use one for commute. |
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Posted: 12/14/2012 5:23:19 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Ashraam: So, not knowing much about aspergers and/or autism; Would someone with that kind of mental handicap actually feel any guilt over committing these kinds of acts? Or fear of punishment? Those don't seem like normal traits from my limited knowledge. What I'm driving at here is, would a person with aspergers who acted out violently feel any need to commit suicide after doing something like this? It really depends. The level of disability and capacity varies widely. |
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Posted: 12/14/2012 5:24:22 PM EDT
[#44]
Originally Posted By Imdelaw:
Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:
Originally Posted By Screechjet1:
Originally Posted By ErikO:
What's the bet that rather than explore Reagan-era under or non-funded mental health programs we will hear more about gun restrictions? This...what a fucking disaster. In 1990, I had a psychiatrist tell me that the Reagan mental health cuts would blow up in our face. I didn't realize how right that guy was until the movie mass shooting, and this. Just had a long discussion with a nurse about this. It's terribly expensive to treat mental patients to modern standards. Back in the day they'd just medicate them until they were Zombies and check on them daily. I'm working on a case right now involving severe mental illness. It is astonishing to me how willing the mental health system is to put extremely dangerous mentally ill people back on the street even after committing serious acts of violence that would result in lengthy prison time for anyone else. The warning signs are there, flashing in bright lights, and they give them a prescription for this or that and just assume it will be all right. It's not like there's much else they can do. As I stated above the costs for long term care in a facility isn't within the means of middle-class people, so what's the alternative? |
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Posted: 12/14/2012 5:24:51 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Ashraam: So, not knowing much about aspergers and/or autism; Would someone with that kind of mental handicap actually feel any guilt over committing these kinds of acts? Or fear of punishment? Those don't seem like normal traits from my limited knowledge. What I'm driving at here is, would a person with aspergers who acted out violently feel any need to commit suicide after doing something like this? don't know...also what would make them want to go through the planning to carry this out in the first place. |
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Posted: 12/14/2012 5:25:17 PM EDT
[#46]
Originally Posted By Durka-Durka:
Originally Posted By 4bangin:
Originally Posted By Durka-Durka:
Originally Posted By M-1975:
On Drudge: <tt>
<tt>Ryan Lanza, 24, brother of gunman Adam Lanza, 20, tells authorities that his younger brother is autistic, or has Asperger syndrome and a "personality disorder.” Neighbors described the younger man to ABC as "odd” and displaying characteristics associated with obsessive-compulsive disorder...</tt></tt> Lots of people with that disorder in this world. How do you keep them from exacting violence on others? mental hospitals. Are you going to put everyone with autism or ADD in a hospital and be locked up for the rest of their lives? I've never heard of mass killing spree mental cases having either, it's always the usual culprit, Schizo. |
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Posted: 12/14/2012 5:26:32 PM EDT
[Last Edit: urbankaos04]
[#47]
I'm a medical social worker at the main hospital in the town I live in and "float" over the psych hospital, as needed. We got a shit load of people with varying degrees of mental health issues, some people have everyday depression and anxiety that just happened to crash and some people come in who have had a life long struggle with major MH issues. They come in, get stabilized, and are released back to either their families, room and board, board and care or homeless shelter. As long as they are NO LONGER A THREAT TO THEMSELVES, OTHERS OR ARE NO LONGER GRAVELY DISABLED THEIR RELEASE IS REQUIRED, AS IT IS ILLEGAL TO HOLD SOMEONE WHO IS NO LONGER MEETS 5150/5250 CRITERIA.
I also want to add that MH history (i.e., psych hospitalizations and crisis contacts) is not accessible for a background check. This is considered protected MEDICAL information, from what I understand. At our facility we TARASOFF every single person that a pt states he is going to hurt. It sucks, but the guy running the show here feels that it is a necessary thing to do even if the people were are TARASOFF'ing already knew that the pt had made a threat to hurt them. Our local PD kinda hates the psych hospital, because some of the TARASOFFs we do are pretty stupid. |
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Posted: 12/14/2012 5:26:47 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By BushBoar: Gotcha, that seems to be the consensus from the few replies.Originally Posted By Ashraam: So, not knowing much about aspergers and/or autism; Would someone with that kind of mental handicap actually feel any guilt over committing these kinds of acts? Or fear of punishment? Those don't seem like normal traits from my limited knowledge. What I'm driving at here is, would a person with aspergers who acted out violently feel any need to commit suicide after doing something like this? It really depends. The level of disability and capacity varies widely. I guess I'm mostly familiar with the more extreme cases. Just kind of seemed like a cop out to say, "Oh, he did it because he's autistic" when they guy was apparently thinking of consequences enough to decide to kill himself. |
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Posted: 12/14/2012 5:27:03 PM EDT
[#49]
Originally Posted By Durka-Durka:
Originally Posted By MarkNH:
Originally Posted By Marshmellow:
So this means he was NOT in the woods outside the school. So who was the "suspect" in the woods if there was even one? There are eyewitness accounts of someone (in camo?) being dragged from the woods shouting that he wasn't involved, my guess is someone unrelated to the shooting, is it still hunting season in CT? (just checked, shotgun season is closed, still bow and muzzleloader season) Where are the sources for that story? I've seen it repeated here, but no links. While I doubt the veracity of that story, could you imagine being in a worse place, at the worst time to be hunting? |
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Posted: 12/14/2012 5:27:04 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By mousehunter:
Prayers sent. I am oddly numb about this. I have kids, and know if it was closer to home I would be more effected. Still even with this tragity, it is nothing compared to the violence other parts of the world (like Israel) face continually. There it is given there is always a political agenda, but when it happens here - most of the time it is not. Still I always question, how will this tragity be used for a political agenda. It is almost impossible to understand the brutality this guy committed and how he could shoot children, but it will be used for political gain.
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