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Posted: 12/13/2012 7:00:58 PM EDT
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Anyone ever hear a story about Enterprise leaving Alameda and getting picked up by a new Alpha outside the Golden Gate? At the end of the high speed run across the Pacific, she slowed down and listened and was shocked to hear the Alpha still holding formation? 
And that day they found out how fast the Alphas really were.  I don't think any submarine has any equipment that can track a target while going in excess of 30 knots themselves. I could be wrong. |
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Posted: 12/13/2012 7:06:45 PM EDT
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And I heard some number thrown out by the guys who worked our radars when the Reagan pulled on scene of the Carnival Splendor when it caught fire.
We are talking freeway speeds here. But those fucking OS motherfuckers are known for a lot of things, and over embellishing is definitely one. |
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Posted: 12/13/2012 7:11:39 PM EDT
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Anyone ever hear a story about Enterprise leaving Alameda and getting picked up by a new Alpha outside the Golden Gate? At the end of the high speed run across the Pacific, she slowed down and listened and was shocked to hear the Alpha still holding formation?
And that day they found out how fast the Alphas really were. I had read somewhere years back, that the reason the Russians designed the Alfa class subs to be so fast submerged, was to keep up with US carriers. Wiki shows that they were capable of 47 mph submerged, so I'm guessing that the US carriers were toping out at close to 50, or beyond. Much like the SR-71's top speed, CVN specs are still classified. Chris not going to be surprised if the blackbirds engines could keep pushing till the airframe fell apart. Temperature at the compressor stages is the limiting factor. Go much past mach 3.34 for very long, and you probably have to throw that engine away after the flight. Foxbat had even worse problems in that regard. |
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Posted: 12/13/2012 7:21:10 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: 60.. i dont think so. 45ish? maybe.. I was on the Nimitz. TWA was hijacked in 1985. The Nimitz was due to pull into Livorno, Italy the next day. The boat turned and steamed toward the scene. I can assure you, the Nimitz class carriers can exceed 45. I know they can. Too bad they didn't send one to Benghazi recently.    |
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Posted: 12/13/2012 7:28:01 PM EDT
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Heres a couple vids I was watching. The second vid shows it really hauling ass. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_ClI3EjQTs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4c1eAV11nkA Cool vids. I kept thinking they need about 100 intertubes and a bunch of rope. 
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Posted: 12/13/2012 7:29:15 PM EDT
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We stayed on station for over 70 days. We were told we were 30 miles from the coast during the standoff. We missed a few ports that Med Cruise! We had 3.2 beer after 60 days at sea with no port stops. During our Flight Deck Picnic, a Russian "spy boat" (that is what everyone said it was) pulled right next to us. We could see the guys up close. We started shooting birds at them, and they shot them right back. We were screaming at them, "we'll kill you f'ing russians, F U." It was an interesting experience.
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60.. i dont think so. 45ish? maybe.. I was on the Nimitz. TWA was hijacked in 1985. The Nimitz was due to pull into Livorno, Italy the next day. The boat turned and steamed toward the scene. I can assure you, the Nimitz class carriers can exceed 45. I know they can. Too bad they didn't send one to Benghazi recently.
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Posted: 12/13/2012 7:32:27 PM EDT
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When I was on the Nimitz, and I remember feeling vibration at high speed. The run from Italy toward Lebanon was unreal. The speed of the vessel was indicated on the TV at the time. I remember seeing 53 knots. ETA: I was in weapons dept, G-2. Our department was changed to G-3 at one point. That Boat was pretty awesome. There was a guy that was killed when a steam pipe burst and cooked him while he was showering in the head. It happened in the department in the next frame up. Pretty sad. You must have been there around the time I was or shortly thereafter. G-2 was bomb assembly and G-3 was elevators; these were changed when all CV/CVN WEPS divisions were standardized. In any event, that ship was fast and wasted no time in getting from Venice, Italy, to Egypt in the aftermath of Saddat's assassination. If you believe the media, the "stricken" Nimitz "limped" home from Florida after the May 1981 crash/fire. We got back in two days and were back underway for workups a couple days after that.. BTW, I was in "W" Division. |
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Posted: 12/13/2012 7:37:22 PM EDT
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60.. i dont think so. 45ish? maybe.. If you could get the fire hot enough...I mean hotter than the blazes of hell and tarnations...well yes, you might be able get her up that fast. Personally I think it could do 90. 
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Posted: 12/13/2012 7:38:10 PM EDT
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Could 8 reactors hit 1.21 gigawatts and her hitting 88mph....
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Posted: 12/13/2012 7:39:00 PM EDT
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Fast for as big as they are.
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Posted: 12/13/2012 7:46:25 PM EDT
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Classified? Surely some vessel with radar has been within range. I was hoping you'd pull out some equation with everything accounted for and then determine the top speed of an empty one, and then one filled with crew and planes. Me too. But instead, he forgot to think 4th dimensionally. Of course it's been tracked before, but who knows if that was its max speed except the Captain and the crew? |
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Posted: 12/13/2012 7:48:27 PM EDT
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I know you were on that ship, as I was G-2 (assembly) when it became G-3, which was elevators. Yes, we became G-3, but I don't remember the date. Do you remember when MARDET would shut down the 2nd deck due to alarms? I know all about that.
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When I was on the Nimitz, and I remember feeling vibration at high speed. The run from Italy toward Lebanon was unreal. The speed of the vessel was indicated on the TV at the time. I remember seeing 53 knots. ETA: I was in weapons dept, G-2. Our department was changed to G-3 at one point. That Boat was pretty awesome. There was a guy that was killed when a steam pipe burst and cooked him while he was showering in the head. It happened in the department in the next frame up. Pretty sad. You must have been there around the time I was or shortly thereafter. G-2 was bomb assembly and G-3 was elevators; these were changed when all CV/CVN WEPS divisions were standardized. In any event, that ship was fast and wasted no time in getting from Venice, Italy, to Egypt in the aftermath of Saddat's assassination. If you believe the media, the "stricken" Nimitz "limped" home from Florida after the May 1981 crash/fire. We got back in two days and were back underway for workups a couple days after that.. BTW, I was in "W" Division. |
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Posted: 12/13/2012 7:48:56 PM EDT
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Well it's not like they have to worry about fuel. Although I'd think the top speed would be limited more by the speed of the escort ships and their fuel endurance. No point in getting the Carrier in the hot zone without it's protection. They do have to worry about fuel. |
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Posted: 12/13/2012 7:53:09 PM EDT
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When the CVN USS OBAMA is commissioned, it will only be able to do 40 kts, in reverse. |
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Posted: 12/13/2012 7:58:40 PM EDT
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I was on this bad boy for 5 months. Man, that one time when we kicked it at flank, we were screeeeeaming! It's top speed was 11 knots, but we were running with a 1 knot current. That's right - 12 knots baby, 12 knots! Hoooooooweeeeee! |
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Posted: 12/13/2012 8:08:28 PM EDT
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One of my good friends is on the Stennis right now and is about to get out of the Navy. I told him he needed to talk to his CO and arrange for us to go skurfing behind the ship. He said, "....I don't think you know what you're asking for." He didn't tell me any numbers, but he said it'd shock me how fast she is.
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Posted: 12/13/2012 8:55:24 PM EDT
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Anyone ever hear a story about Enterprise leaving Alameda and getting picked up by a new Alpha outside the Golden Gate? At the end of the high speed run across the Pacific, she slowed down and listened and was shocked to hear the Alpha still holding formation?
And that day they found out how fast the Alphas really were. I don't think any submarine has any equipment that can track a target while going in excess of 30 knots themselves. I could be wrong. Wouldn't 1000+ feet moving at X+ knots make a helluva racket in the water? Probably hear that right through the hull even if you were moving just as fast. |
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Posted: 12/13/2012 9:38:47 PM EDT
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All of our carriers could converge on any point at sea anywhere in the world within 7-11 days.  Theoretically, based on the farthest point-to-point at sea, and assuming a sustained speed of 40-51 mph maintained. It is possible. ...theoretically, but that's just math. Within "striking distant' of target...less time. Carriers are excellent for force projection. I heard it as "We can get a carrier anywhere in the world within a week", rather than "all of them in the same spot in a week". Though with the number of carrier groups, I imagine that time is cut down a good deal from when I heard it 20-ish years ago. |
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Posted: 12/13/2012 9:47:45 PM EDT
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I learned once that the Iowa class of battleships was particularly unusual for being defined as "fast battleships", in that they had the rare ability to keep up with the Essex-class fast carriers that our strike groups in WWII consisted of.
Which makes one realize that as big and powerful as the Essex's were, their real strategic asset was their speed. They could better position themselves for flight operations and defensive evolutions, and they could maneuver around the Pacific much faster than escort carriers and other sundry ships. I'd like to learn more about that thinking, but it's hard to find amidst the blah blah blah carriers rock BS. |
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Posted: 12/13/2012 9:51:28 PM EDT
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LHA's do it better
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Posted: 12/13/2012 9:56:25 PM EDT
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On a high speed run, the CCTV on the roof was showing 80kts indicated coming across the bow. It was not long after the feed was cut. Take it for what you will... |
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Posted: 12/13/2012 10:00:03 PM EDT
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I was on the USS JFK around 1992 when we had to get across the Med quickly. They closed all of the doors and floored it. I was bored so I went to the hanger bay and spun up the INS on one of our planes. Ground speed was above 35 knots. (Not sure if I should give a number) How about just under 40 knots...
I think we got in trouble for that. Something about steaming toward a country over a certain speed could be considered an act of war... Not too sure, It was a long time ago. |
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Posted: 12/13/2012 10:07:26 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/13/2012 10:35:13 PM EDT
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This was an interesting thread, but some of the claims...even to a layman like myself...sheesh.
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Posted: 12/13/2012 10:42:36 PM EDT
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Question: do our CVNs go to flank when recovering aircraft to maximize wind speed over the deck? Because from there, it's just a case of knowing some measurements between different objects on the deck and island, pulling up some footage of aircraft recovering, doing a little photogrammetry and working backwards from landing speeds... We did some stuff sort of like that to work out estimated ship speeds during aircraft recovery for various WWII Japanese carriers (since most of them went to the bottom without detailed US inspection...). Modern HD footage just makes it easier. No. |
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Posted: 12/13/2012 10:42:50 PM EDT
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I was stationed on the Marine detachment on the Big E and Our captains orderly used to know the top speed. It was up there I remember doing sea trials once and we passed some cigarette style boats. The boat would completely vibrate and we had to secure everything down. It felt like it would vibrate apart. Once we had to get to the middle east fast and they even put a few jets on the fantail and had them running for over 24hrs Never figured that one outJet engine testing. Has nothing to do with propulsion. |
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Posted: 12/13/2012 10:46:52 PM EDT
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Anyone ever hear a story about Enterprise leaving Alameda and getting picked up by a new Alpha outside the Golden Gate? At the end of the high speed run across the Pacific, she slowed down and listened and was shocked to hear the Alpha still holding formation?
And that day they found out how fast the Alphas really were. There's no fucking way that happened. |
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Posted: 12/13/2012 10:47:04 PM EDT
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A fighter Jet needs to be doing about 180-200 mph to create enough lift to take off, right? I have heard (again Mil/channel) that the Carrier needs to be doing 35 knotts into the wind to get the right speed. Look at any film of an Aircraft Carrier Launching jets. See any big waves behind the carrier? Look at the video posted above showing the All Ahead Full video with all the tremendous wake. In my not so enlightened opinion that carrier is doind well over 35 knotts/49mph. fail. |
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Posted: 12/13/2012 10:49:31 PM EDT
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On a high speed run, the CCTV on the roof was showing 80kts indicated coming across the bow.
It was not long after the feed was cut. Take it for what you will... That's airspeed across the deck. Maybe into a 50 knot headwind. |
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Posted: 12/13/2012 10:52:36 PM EDT
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How fast?
Simple answer is able to put wind across the deck to launch aircraft in the doldrums. ______________________________________________________________________ ("Helm, come about."--Adama, (w,stte), "Battlestar Galactica") |
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Posted: 12/13/2012 11:23:49 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: A fighter Jet needs to be doing about 180-200 mph to create enough lift to take off, right? I have heard (again Mil/channel) that the Carrier needs to be doing 35 knotts into the wind to get the right speed. Look at any film of an Aircraft Carrier Launching jets. See any big waves behind the carrier? Look at the video posted above showing the All Ahead Full video with all the tremendous wake. In my not so enlightened opinion that carrier is doind well over 35 knotts/49mph. 35 knots across the deck, doesn't mean the ship will always need to do 35 knots through the water. gotta consider the true wind, say there's 20 knots true wind (not at all uncommon), the ship would only need to steam at 15 knots to get 35 knots of wind across the deck. see where I'm going with this? They don't haul ass during launch and recovery as much as you would think. The deck becomes a very nasty place to be when those babys are doing 35 knots + |
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Posted: 12/13/2012 11:27:40 PM EDT
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Thread needs more pics: http://chivethebrigade.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/nimitz-trial-920-0.jpg?w=920&h=647 
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Posted: 12/13/2012 11:28:50 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: 60.. i dont think so. 45ish? maybe.. I was on the Nimitz. TWA was hijacked in 1985. The Nimitz was due to pull into Livorno, Italy the next day. The boat turned and steamed toward the scene. I can assure you, the Nimitz class carriers can exceed 45. I know they can. Too bad they didn't send one to Benghazi recently. Dear Comrade Leader is sleeping on it, is are a hard decision ya know |
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Posted: 12/13/2012 11:34:00 PM EDT
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60.. i dont think so. 45ish? maybe.. I was on the Nimitz. TWA was hijacked in 1985. The Nimitz was due to pull into Livorno, Italy the next day. The boat turned and steamed toward the scene. I can assure you, the Nimitz class carriers can exceed 45. I know they can. Too bad they didn't send one to Benghazi recently.
Dear Comrade Leader is sleeping on it, is are a hard decision ya know Why do people keep throwing this around? Does anyone actually think that flying F18's over the scene would have done any good, 3-5 days after it happened? |
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Posted: 12/13/2012 11:45:23 PM EDT
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On a high speed run, the CCTV on the roof was showing 80kts indicated coming across the bow.
It was not long after the feed was cut. Take it for what you will...
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Posted: 12/13/2012 11:53:56 PM EDT
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A fighter Jet needs to be doing about 180-200 mph to create enough lift to take off, right? I have heard (again Mil/channel) that the Carrier needs to be doing 35 knotts into the wind to get the right speed. Look at any film of an Aircraft Carrier Launching jets. See any big waves behind the carrier? Look at the video posted above showing the All Ahead Full video with all the tremendous wake. In my not so enlightened opinion that carrier is doind well over 35 knotts/49mph. 35 knots across the deck, doesn't mean the ship will always need to do 35 knots through the water. gotta consider the true wind, say there's 20 knots true wind (not at all uncommon), the ship would only need to steam at 15 knots to get 35 knots of wind across the deck. see where I'm going with this? They don't haul ass during launch and recovery as much as you would think. The deck becomes a very nasty place to be when those babys are doing 35 knots + The flight deck is secured to all hands, along with all weather decks, when doing 35 knots. One is certainly *NOT* launching or recovering aircraft. |
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Posted: 12/14/2012 1:01:22 AM EDT
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http://www.eccentric-cinema.com/images2004/movie_pix_a-i/final_countdown01.jpg They can time travel. 
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Posted: 12/14/2012 1:32:09 AM EDT
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Once we had to get to the middle east fast and they even put a few jets on the fantail and had them running for over 24hrs Never figured that one outThats where jet engine testing was done. It was a bitch trying to sleep with those things upstairs. |
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Posted: 12/14/2012 1:32:54 AM EDT
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That is flatout, hauling ass. Nice!
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Posted: 12/14/2012 1:35:07 AM EDT
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Well it's not like they have to worry about fuel. Although I'd think the top speed would be limited more by the speed of the escort ships and their fuel endurance. No point in getting the Carrier in the hot zone without it's protection. I am pretty sure carriers can out run the rest of the battle group (except subs). I can tell you that riding on one going full tilt, that whole ship is shaking and you know you are really moving. very strange feeling. I would guess 40 - 45 knots. The Enterprise was supposedly able to outrun her escorts when heading back to the Gulf after 9-11. WWII carriers could exceed 30kts, I'd think the much more powerful and longer hulled super carriers would be more than a bit faster. |
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Posted: 12/14/2012 4:16:48 AM EDT
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Classified? Surely some vessel with radar has been within range. I always thought it was funny when the ship would turn for speed, and after about 35 knots the speed would just flash 35 on the ship's TV...but they would still show LAT/LONG. "Thanks for assuming I'm an idiot!" So...I've got a very good idea. 
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Posted: 12/14/2012 4:19:11 AM EDT
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oh when they want to, those carriers can move
http://www.foundation3d.com/uploads/instruction/2012/10/2658-08-709962.jpg http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120315111328/marvelmovies/images/f/f4/Helicarrier.gif CVN-64 is the Kittyhawk what is that? CV-64 (no N) is the Connie. CV-63 is the Kitty. |
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Posted: 12/14/2012 4:27:55 AM EDT
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When I was on the Nimitz, and I remember feeling vibration at high speed. The run from Italy toward Lebanon was unreal. The speed of the vessel was indicated on the TV at the time. I remember seeing 53 knots. ETA: I was in weapons dept, G-2. Our department was changed to G-3 at one point. That Boat was pretty awesome. There was a guy that was killed when a steam pipe burst and cooked him while he was showering in the head. It happened in the department in the next frame up. Pretty sad. You must have been there around the time I was or shortly thereafter. G-2 was bomb assembly and G-3 was elevators; these were changed when all CV/CVN WEPS divisions were standardized. In any event, that ship was fast and wasted no time in getting from Venice, Italy, to Egypt in the aftermath of Saddat's assassination. If you believe the media, the "stricken" Nimitz "limped" home from Florida after the May 1981 crash/fire. We got back in two days and were back underway for workups a couple days after that.. BTW, I was in "W" Division. Shipmates: I was there for the terrible crash. Lost a lot shipmates there. I flew off the boat on the COD the last week in September, just before Sadat was assassinated. VF-84. |
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Posted: 12/14/2012 4:38:25 AM EDT
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On an LHD we were off the coast of kenya, and did a full power run back to the gulf. Burnt through almost all the fuel and had to get fuel from a Japanese tanker.
Buddy managed to catch a GPS read of the ground speed. It was faster than stated. Doing guard in the lower V was actually worrisome at the time. For my 4 hour shift all I heard was the guts of the bout sounding like they were going to blow up when normally all you hear is a humm. |
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Posted: 12/14/2012 5:02:59 AM EDT
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http://www.navweaps.com/index_tech/tech-028.htm
Speed Thrills III - Max speed of nuclear-powered aircraft carriers After this essay was originally published in April 1999, the USN publicly released the speed of the nuclear carriers in June 1999: Enterprise 33.6 knots after last refit Nimitz 31.5 knots Theodore Roosevelt 31.3 knots Harry S Truman 30.9 knots |
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Posted: 12/14/2012 5:14:07 AM EDT
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You guys are honestly telling me a modern day aircraft carrier can go over 40 knots!!?? Holy shit!! Yes, how do you launch and recover in a zero wind condition?
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Posted: 12/14/2012 5:16:58 AM EDT
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Quoted: http://www.navweaps.com/index_tech/tech-028.htm Speed Thrills III - Max speed of nuclear-powered aircraft carriers After this essay was originally published in April 1999, the USN publicly released the speed of the nuclear carriers in June 1999: Enterprise 33.6 knots after last refit Nimitz 31.5 knots Theodore Roosevelt 31.3 knots Harry S Truman 30.9 knots  Hands up if you believe that
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Posted: 12/14/2012 5:31:49 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/14/2012 5:35:58 AM EDT
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Thread needs more pics: http://chivethebrigade.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/nimitz-trial-920-0.jpg?w=920&h=647 Hope they have everything tied down. Damn. Yeah, it would kinda suck if that F18 skidded off the deck into the drink during that maneuver. That's the point really. Find out what isn't secured the hard way. (don't stand in front of anything heavy)
"High speed turns, high speed turns, all hands brace for high speed turns." Sea trials was the most fun I ever had on the ship. Hearing file cabinets and tool boxes slam into the deck was awesome. Watching people try to walk across the ship was hilarious. When they really started hauling ass the whole ship would shake. I was on one for over 4 years and every time I walked up to it I was still impressed. Carriers are truly a fucking amazing machine. |
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Posted: 12/14/2012 5:39:18 AM EDT
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http://www.navweaps.com/index_tech/tech-028.htm Speed Thrills III - Max speed of nuclear-powered aircraft carriers After this essay was originally published in April 1999, the USN publicly released the speed of the nuclear carriers in June 1999: Enterprise 33.6 knots after last refit Nimitz 31.5 knots Theodore Roosevelt 31.3 knots Harry S Truman 30.9 knots 
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