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Posted: 8/29/2012 11:22:29 AM EDT
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Since we all know that God only lets the righteous win in conflicts, the Union was the side that God wanted to win.
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Posted: 8/29/2012 11:23:56 AM EDT
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I'm from CA. The only good decision ever made by that state was sitting the whole thing out. ETA-That being said, If the South had done what Lee was quoted as to have said, I would have fought with Johny. "We should have freed the slaves then marched". They didn't sit it out. They stayed in the Union and provided troops for service in the Eastern Theatre as well as that in the Far West, where some fought in battles in what is now Arizona and New Mexico. Some Confederate units were raised there, and some State Militia units defected to the Confederacy; a cavalry company from Los Angeles actually escorted a newly minted Confederate general from his U.S. Army post in California to Confederate forces in the Western Theatre. |
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Posted: 8/29/2012 11:25:18 AM EDT
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Seeing as how it turned out I think I'd rather see what would have happened the other way around. QFT! the north has degraded into a liberal union cesspoll of failure. the southern/ western migration of which has spreed like a cancer through this country bringing us to the point that the potus is a marxist jug eared kenyan leading the movement the end everything that made this country great. 
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Posted: 8/29/2012 11:25:30 AM EDT
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Must side with my state (and my ancestors(served in 56th VA Infantry, Longstreets Corps) ). Definitely Confederate.
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Posted: 8/29/2012 11:25:31 AM EDT
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Johnny reb all the way!
42nd GA VOL INF (me before the battle of resaca, GA re-enactment 2012) had family that quartered Conf officers during the Atlanta campaign. |
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Posted: 8/29/2012 11:28:46 AM EDT
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The Union since states don't have rights. The Constitution: you should really read it sometime. States have the power to things not the right. Rights in this context refers to their relationship to the other States and the national government the States created to govern the Union their formed as sovereign States. Relative to the national government and each other, they do have rights. That was, after all, the basis for their secession from Britain less than a century before the War Between the States, i.e. that as political entities they had certain rights relative to the government in London, and that since they were being violated, and these political entities were capable of self-governance, they therefore had the right to secede according to the English political tradition (to include the Common Law); in that case, they weren't even equal members in a voluntary Union. |
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Posted: 8/29/2012 11:29:58 AM EDT
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Confederate.
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Posted: 8/29/2012 11:30:59 AM EDT
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I would have been in the 14th OVI.
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Posted: 8/29/2012 11:31:57 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: States have the power to things not the right. "Rights", in this context, means "reserved powers". Virginia, specifically, reserved the power to withdraw from the Union and nothing in the Constitution denied it. Rights and powers are specifically pointed out in the constitution. States don't have rights. People have rights. States have power to do certain things. Ex: 2nd Amendment: A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. Ex: 10th Amendment: The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people. So in that case, did the Union trample all over the states' powers? |
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Posted: 8/29/2012 11:32:09 AM EDT
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I have to say the state sovereignty? so the south
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Posted: 8/29/2012 11:38:49 AM EDT
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Quoted: He never tried. Quoted: Hard to imagine I would ever fight for el presidente who arrested members of the media who didn't support his unconstitutional agenda and arrested the Maryland state legislature so they couldn't take a vote on secession... just sayin' Hell, when Lincoln's agenda became clear even New Yorker's didn't want to fight for him NY Draft Riots You forgot trying to arrest the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court to prevent him from ruling against him .... |
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Posted: 8/29/2012 11:39:15 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/29/2012 11:40:20 AM EDT
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"Sir, please convey my deep sense of honor and gratitude to the President....but I must decline his offer. Please tell him. Please be clear. I have never taken my duties lightly...
...but I have no greater duty than to my home, to Virginia." I believe that about sums it up. |
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Posted: 8/29/2012 11:40:47 AM EDT
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Quoted: No because the Federal government has the power to suppress insurrections. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: States have the power to things not the right. "Rights", in this context, means "reserved powers". Virginia, specifically, reserved the power to withdraw from the Union and nothing in the Constitution denied it. Rights and powers are specifically pointed out in the constitution. States don't have rights. People have rights. States have power to do certain things. Ex: 2nd Amendment: A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. Ex: 10th Amendment: The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people. So in that case, did the Union trample all over the states' powers? |
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Posted: 8/29/2012 11:41:34 AM EDT
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States have the power to things not the right. "Rights", in this context, means "reserved powers". Virginia, specifically, reserved the power to withdraw from the Union and nothing in the Constitution denied it. Nor supported it. There wasn't a mechanism prescribed for it either. You joined, you're in for good. |
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Posted: 8/29/2012 11:44:14 AM EDT
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States have the power to things not the right. "Rights", in this context, means "reserved powers". Virginia, specifically, reserved the power to withdraw from the Union and nothing in the Constitution denied it. Rights and powers are specifically pointed out in the constitution. States don't have rights. People have rights. States have power to do certain things. Ex: 2nd Amendment: A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. Ex: 10th Amendment: The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people. So in that case, did the Union trample all over the states' powers? It depends. Each issue has to go an a case by case basis on what the Constitution says. Hence the 10th amendment showing the distribution of power. |
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Posted: 8/29/2012 11:46:27 AM EDT
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Confederates |
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Posted: 8/29/2012 11:47:01 AM EDT
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Next question, are we talking about the Civil War that was almost 150 years ago or the one that's coming up soon if Obuttfuck gets re-elected??? I thought we were talking about trying to keep the Bolsheviks from overthrowing the Petrograd government. FUCK YEAH KERENSKY! 
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Posted: 8/29/2012 11:47:23 AM EDT
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Family
Clan . . . State . . . Country And back then, the Confederacy was their country...at least where my people were.
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Posted: 8/29/2012 11:49:20 AM EDT
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my allegiance goes as follows:
my family my city my state my country. I will go with Alabama. |
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Posted: 8/29/2012 11:49:20 AM EDT
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I guess I view slavery as not being a power which is specifically allocated to the Federal government.
With that said, all other powers given to the states should make it a state issue. I don't agree with slavery, of course. |
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Posted: 8/29/2012 11:49:37 AM EDT
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Quoted: my allegiance goes as follows: my family my city my state my country. I will go with Alabama.  |
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Posted: 8/29/2012 11:58:26 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/29/2012 11:59:11 AM EDT
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All my family is from the south so i would be for the rebels!!
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Posted: 8/29/2012 12:03:36 PM EDT
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My daddy's family is from Texas. So hoist the Stars and Bars.
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Posted: 8/29/2012 12:06:24 PM EDT
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I would start making Meth, and sell to both sides.
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Posted: 8/29/2012 12:09:43 PM EDT
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He never tried.
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Hard to imagine I would ever fight for el presidente who arrested members of the media who didn't support his unconstitutional agenda and arrested the Maryland state legislature so they couldn't take a vote on secession... just sayin' Hell, when Lincoln's agenda became clear even New Yorker's didn't want to fight for him NY Draft Riots You forgot trying to arrest the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court to prevent him from ruling against him .... He damned sure did plan to do so - and the Federal Marshal for Washington D.C. at the time confirmed that Lincoln gave him orders to that effect. De wiki: "The single primary source document is a manuscript written in the 1880s by Ward Hill Lamon, Lincoln's friend, bodyguard, and United States Marshal for the District of Columbia during his administration. According to the manuscript, which is a brief history of Ex Parte Merryman by Lamon: After due consideration the administration determined upon the arrest of the Chief Justice. A warrant or order was issued for his arrest. Then arose the question of service. Who should make the arrest and where should the imprisonment be? This was done by the President with instructions to use his own discretion about making the arrest unless he should receive further orders from him. The warrant was never served, according to Lamon, for reasons that are not given. The manuscript dates from the 1880s and resides in the collection of Lamon papers at the Huntington Library." |
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Posted: 8/29/2012 12:11:12 PM EDT
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States have the power to things not the right. "Rights", in this context, means "reserved powers". Virginia, specifically, reserved the power to withdraw from the Union and nothing in the Constitution denied it. Nor supported it. There wasn't a mechanism prescribed for it either. You joined, you're in for good. Haven't read the nineth & tenth amendments, huh? Plus, on what basis do you contend that reservation in the ratification documents are not binding, when said ratification documents are accepted for the purpose of ratification? |
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Posted: 8/29/2012 12:11:42 PM EDT
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my allegiance goes as follows: my family my city my state my country. I will go with Alabama. Thats bullshit..... You can't really be from Alabama. I have never known a single person from Alabama that either Auburn or Bama wouldn't be WAY higher on that list....... 
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Posted: 8/29/2012 12:13:25 PM EDT
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Confederacy. I had descendants in both the SC and GA armies.
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Posted: 8/29/2012 12:15:26 PM EDT
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Since we all know that God only lets the righteous win in conflicts, the Union was the side that God wanted to win. If you consider the deaths of 3/4 a million men a win, then you and I have extremely different views of the word. The Union may have been successful in keeping the United States in one piece, but I do not believe anyone won. And if your God was really all that righteous, then there wouldn't have been a war to begin with that cost the lives of all those men. Now, as to answer the question, I believe that men should be free men, not this current idea of freedom where we are slaves to the government. However, I think that the FREE citizens of this country should be able to decide to be free as a whole. If the people of my state decide that we should not be slaves to an unlawful or unjust government, then so be it, let the people decide. But if the people of my state decide to remain where we are, again, that's the people's choice. * As a side note, I don't agree with this Sovereign Citizen nonsense. To me, that is just a way for nutjobs to claim they don't have to abide by the laws set forth by the states. Hope that makes enough sense. |
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Posted: 8/29/2012 12:21:47 PM EDT
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Quoted: If you consider the deaths of 3/4 a million men a win, then you and I have extremely different views of the word. The Union may have been successful in keeping the United States in one piece, but I do not believe anyone won. And if your God was really all that righteous, then there wouldn't have been a war to begin with that cost the lives of all those men. The Union took your capital and raised its flag over it. The Union won. |
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Posted: 8/29/2012 12:23:05 PM EDT
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Related a Confederate General on my Mom's side, so I'll keep up the family tradition!
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Posted: 8/29/2012 12:23:15 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Next question, are we talking about the Civil War that was almost 150 years ago or the one that's coming up soon if Obuttfuck gets re-elected??? I thought we were talking about trying to keep the Bolsheviks from overthrowing the Petrograd government. FUCK YEAH KERENSKY! Somewhere, my love. Quoted: Quoted: No because the Federal government has the power to suppress insurrections. So in that case, did the Union trample all over the states' powers? "Treason doth never prosper, and what's the reason? For if it prosper, none dare call it treason." |
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Posted: 8/29/2012 12:23:50 PM EDT
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The Union since states don't have rights. I did put down "State Soveriegnty". I was hoping that the "States Rights" crowd would get it. |
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Posted: 8/29/2012 12:26:14 PM EDT
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Country > State for me.
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Posted: 8/29/2012 12:28:30 PM EDT
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 I would have served in the 37th Alabama Infantry, with my 4th great grandfather. Or I could have served in the 24th Alabama Inf. with his brother Or I could have served with another 4th great grandfather in the 24th North Carolina Inf. Or the 1st Mississippi Inf. with another 4th great grandfather. Or with his younger brother in the 1st Mississippi Cavalry. Or another 4th great grandfather in the 8th Arkansas Infantry. I could keep going ... with other ancestors who fight with units from South Carolina, Virginia, Georgia and Tennessee. |
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Posted: 8/29/2012 12:32:01 PM EDT
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I would not fight for wealthy people's right to own other humans.
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Posted: 8/29/2012 12:32:47 PM EDT
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Union probably.
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Posted: 8/29/2012 12:34:03 PM EDT
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I'd go west and Bang an Injun chick
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Posted: 8/29/2012 12:35:16 PM EDT
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I think I would have sat it out. In fact, if the south wanted to secede now, it wouldn't bother me. My federal taxes would probably go down.
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Posted: 8/29/2012 12:35:20 PM EDT
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Quoted: ....but I have no greater duty than to my home to...(insert your state here)"Sir, please convey my deep sense of honor and gratitude to the President....but I must decline his offer. Please tell him. Please be clear. I have never taken my duties lightly... ...but I have no greater duty than to my home, to Virginia." I believe that about sums it up. Pretty much sums the whole conflict up right there. |
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Posted: 8/29/2012 12:39:29 PM EDT
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Quoted: I would not fight for wealthy people's right to own other humans. Good thing that wasn't the crux of the issue.  |
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Posted: 8/29/2012 12:41:29 PM EDT
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Fuck the South. Union all the way.
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Posted: 8/29/2012 12:41:59 PM EDT
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Next question, are we talking about the Civil War that was almost 150 years ago or the one that's coming up soon if Obuttfuck gets re-elected??? I thought we were talking about trying to keep the Bolsheviks from overthrowing the Petrograd government. FUCK YEAH KERENSKY! Somewhere, my love. Quoted:
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No because the Federal government has the power to suppress insurrections.
So in that case, did the Union trample all over the states' powers? "Treason doth never prosper, and what's the reason? For if it prosper, none dare call it treason." Secession is not treason. |
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Posted: 8/29/2012 12:42:35 PM EDT
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States rights against the Northern aggression.
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Posted: 8/29/2012 12:44:39 PM EDT
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I fly the Bonnie Blue flag that bears a single star. We are a band of brothers! 
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Posted: 8/29/2012 12:45:19 PM EDT
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See my state. I hope that answers your question.
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Posted: 8/29/2012 12:47:39 PM EDT
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Killing Yanks was our business. Business was good. –– Confederate Veterans Association
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Posted: 8/29/2012 12:47:51 PM EDT
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I would not fight for wealthy people's right to own other humans. Good thing that wasn't the crux of the issue.
Well it kind of was. I know you will say the whole states rights issue. But it would not have ever come to conflict if the south did not want to retain slavery. Slavery was the underlying issue. We can talk about this forever but the fact will remain that the southern aristocrats wanted to keep their slaves. |
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