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Posted: 7/29/2012 3:07:00 PM EDT

Title edit, see updates below.

Just saw this while reading the magazine ban article. I hate these fucking people.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/240909-dem-lawmakers-to-unveil-bill-regulating-online-sale-of-ammo

Two Democratic lawmakers on Monday will announce new legislation to regulate the online and mail-order sale of ammunition.

Sen. Frank Lautenberg (N.J.) and Rep. Carolyn McCarthy (N.Y.) said the new law would make the sale of ammunition “safer for law-abiding Americans who are sick and tired of the ease with which criminals can now anonymously stockpile for mass murder,” in a statement released Saturday

Lautenberg and McCarthy, who will unveil their new proposal at New York’s City Hall say they intend to “make it harder for criminals to anonymously stockpile ammunition through the Internet.”

Update: July 30th.

They announced it:

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entries/lautenberg-mccarthy-introduce-bill-effectively-banning-online-ammo

Sen. Frank Lautenberg (D-NJ) and Rep. Carolyn McCarthy (D-NY) announced Monday that they will introduce legislation that would effectively ban online sales of ammunition by requiring buyers to present photo identification at the time of purchase.

The bill, the “Stop Online Ammunition Sales Act,” would require anyone selling ammunition to be a licensed dealer. Dealers would have to report the sale of more than 1,000 rounds of ammunition to an unlicensed person within five business days.

Another more detailed article.

http://njtoday.net/2012/07/30/lautenberg-to-sponsor-bill-restricting-online-ammunition-sales/

The Stop Online Ammunition Sales Act works through four components:
•It requires anyone selling ammunition to be a licensed dealer.
•It requires ammunition buyers who are not licensed dealers to present photo identification at the time of purchase, effectively banning the online or mail order purchase of ammo by regular civilians.
•It requires licensed ammunition dealers to maintain records of the sale of ammunition.
•It requires licensed ammunition dealers to report the sale of more than 1,000 rounds of ammunition to an unlicensed person within any five consecutive business days.

Update: July 31st. Also posted on page 5.

Quoted:
The L.o.C. site and Govtrack are now showing the bill but the text is still not available. At the time of this post, there is only one cosponsor, Sen. Dianne Feinstein [D-CA].

The bill is S.3458.

A bill to require face to face purchases of ammunition, to require licensing of ammunition dealers, and to require reporting regarding bulk purchases of ammunition.

To track it, follow the link. http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/112/s3458

If you go to the L.o.C. site, http://thomas.loc.gov/home/thomas.php
"Browse Bills by Sponsor", choose "Lautenberg, Frank" from the drop down menu of Senators.
#51 is the bill, S.3458. The magazine bill is #88 S.AMDT.2575. These numbers shift as the page updates.

Update: August 1st. Posted on page 6.

Carolyn McCarthy has introduced her own bill, H.R. 6241.

H.R. 6241: To require face to face purchases of ammunition, to require licensing of ammunition dealers, and to require reporting regarding bulk purchases of ammunition.

Update: August 4th. Text of Lautenberg bill S.3458 is posted on page 6 by BillyDoubleU. Jump to post.

Link to bill text here. http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-112s3458is/pdf/BILLS-112s3458is.pdf

Update: August 7th.

Text of McCarthy bill added on page 6. It's the same as the Lautenberg bill (S. 3458) as already posted. jump to post.

If I'm reading this correctly, it will require sellers to be licensed dealers and can only be shipped to other licensed dealers, record keeping and reporting sales of more than 1000 rds.

Posted: 7/29/2012 3:08:39 PM EDT

[#1]

And that law ( if enacted ) would have ZERO effect on crime. Bullshit feelgood law is bullshit. fuck the demoncraps to hell.

Posted: 7/29/2012 3:12:18 PM EDT

[#2]

It's easier to track online ammo sales than if I go buy it with cash at Walmart.

Posted: 7/29/2012 3:13:31 PM EDT

[#3]

Posted: 7/29/2012 3:13:31 PM EDT

[#4]

These retards really know nothing about the real world.

anonymously buying ammo on the net? Really. Credit card and delivery address.

Posted: 7/29/2012 3:14:17 PM EDT

[#5]

Quoted:
Just saw this while reading the magazine ban article. I hate these fucking people.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/240909-dem-lawmakers-to-unveil-bill-regulating-online-sale-of-ammo

Two Democratic lawmakers on Monday will announce new legislation to regulate the online and mail-order sale of ammunition.

Sen. Frank Lautenberg (N.J.) and Rep. Carolyn McCarthy (N.Y.) said the new law would make the sale of ammunition “safer for law-abiding Americans who are sick and tired of the ease with which criminals can now anonymously stockpile for mass murder,” in a statement released Saturday

Lautenberg and McCarthy, who will unveil their new proposal at New York’s City Hall say they intend to “make it harder for criminals to anonymously stockpile ammunition through the Internet.”

I dare ANY congressman or senator to poison pill that bitch with a repeal of 922 (o). But sadly, our side has no fucking balls at all. Which is why we'll have to settle it in the upcoming revolution. Fuck them all.

Posted: 7/29/2012 3:14:38 PM EDT

[#6]

Carolyn McCarthy (N.Y.)

Does not surprise me in the slightest...........I hate that bitch.

Posted: 7/29/2012 3:14:44 PM EDT

[#7]

Good luck with that, you fucking douchebags.

The usual suspects.

Political theater.

Posted: 7/29/2012 3:15:13 PM EDT

[#8]

what max of 20 rounds per month?

Posted: 7/29/2012 3:16:01 PM EDT

[#9]

Election year fodder

Posted: 7/29/2012 3:16:39 PM EDT

[#10]

to late

Posted: 7/29/2012 3:16:47 PM EDT

[#11]

One day......in our lifetime......there IS going to be a fight.

Posted: 7/29/2012 3:16:59 PM EDT

[#12]

Another stupid idea, it won't work and it doesn't stop the shooter.

Posted: 7/29/2012 3:17:21 PM EDT

[#13]

More grandstanding; but it does underline what a douchebag Lautenberg is and how fucking stupid McCarthy is...

Posted: 7/29/2012 3:18:06 PM EDT

[#14]

Can anyone summarize the contents of the bill?

Posted: 7/29/2012 3:21:57 PM EDT

[#15]

I wonder if they'll outlaw the explosives (what ever they were) the guy had in his apartment ?

Posted: 7/29/2012 3:22:06 PM EDT

[#16]

Quoted:
Can anyone summarize the contents of the bill?

Nothing yet, article says they will introduce/announce it tomorrow.

Posted: 7/29/2012 3:23:31 PM EDT

[#17]

Why, why, WHY do they constantly bring up sportsmen and hunting? The 2A has FUCKING ZERO to do with either one.

Posted: 7/29/2012 3:24:44 PM EDT

[#18]

The only law I would support to make buying ammo online safer would be one requiring UPS to lend me their handcart so I could get the ammo inside without f'ing up my back.

Posted: 7/29/2012 3:25:37 PM EDT

[#19]

"The Entire Democratic Party today petitioned President Obama to issue an Executive Order banning guns, poverty, rich people and the Republican Party".

Posted: 7/29/2012 3:27:39 PM EDT

[#20]

I knew this was coming....

Posted: 7/29/2012 3:27:41 PM EDT

[#21]

Quoted:
I wonder if they'll outlaw the explosives (what ever they were) the guy had in his apartment ?

IIRC those are already illegal.

Posted: 7/29/2012 3:28:15 PM EDT

[#22]

Loughner, the gunman charged in the shooting of former Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (R-Ariz.) and Holmes, who is the lone suspect in the Aurora theater shootings are both believed to have used high-capacity magazines

I thought Gabby Gifford was a (D)?

Posted: 7/29/2012 3:28:56 PM EDT

[#23]

Quoted:

Quoted:
I wonder if they'll outlaw the explosives (what ever they were) the guy had in his apartment ?

IIRC those are already illegal.

Unpossible. If they were illegal he couldn't have acquired them.

Posted: 7/29/2012 3:29:32 PM EDT

[#24]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Just saw this while reading the magazine ban article. I hate these fucking people.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/240909-dem-lawmakers-to-unveil-bill-regulating-online-sale-of-ammo

Two Democratic lawmakers on Monday will announce new legislation to regulate the online and mail-order sale of ammunition.

Sen. Frank Lautenberg (N.J.) and Rep. Carolyn McCarthy (N.Y.) said the new law would make the sale of ammunition “safer for law-abiding Americans who are sick and tired of the ease with which criminals can now anonymously stockpile for mass murder,” in a statement released Saturday

Lautenberg and McCarthy, who will unveil their new proposal at New York’s City Hall say they intend to “make it harder for criminals to anonymously stockpile ammunition through the Internet.”

I dare ANY congressman or senator to poison pill that bitch with a repeal of 922 (o). But sadly, our side has no fucking balls at all. Which is why we'll have to settle it in the upcoming revolution. Fuck them all.

I would love to see that poison pill happen. It should be attached to the magazine-ban amendment as well if that gains traction...

Posted: 7/29/2012 3:30:34 PM EDT

[#25]

Quoted:
Why, why, WHY do they constantly bring up sportsmen and hunting? The 2A has FUCKING ZERO to do with either one.

Because if they pit us against each other, they win.

Posted: 7/29/2012 3:30:52 PM EDT

[#26]

Did you hear that?

That was the sound of the election swinging 2 more points in Romney's favor.

Posted: 7/29/2012 3:31:40 PM EDT

[#27]

Harry Reid is pro gun. This bill will go nowhere in the senate.

John Boehner is a shape-shifting jellyfish and would lose his position if he let this bill go anywhere (until the Ds control the house again).

It ain't going anywhere.

Obama will try to EO something, but NOTHING is getting through congress. Nothing.

Posted: 7/29/2012 3:32:04 PM EDT

[#28]

Quoted:
It's easier to track online ammo sales than if I go buy it with cash at 3 or 4 Walmarts.

Posted: 7/29/2012 3:32:35 PM EDT

[#29]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Just saw this while reading the magazine ban article. I hate these fucking people.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/240909-dem-lawmakers-to-unveil-bill-regulating-online-sale-of-ammo

Two Democratic lawmakers on Monday will announce new legislation to regulate the online and mail-order sale of ammunition.

Sen. Frank Lautenberg (N.J.) and Rep. Carolyn McCarthy (N.Y.) said the new law would make the sale of ammunition “safer for law-abiding Americans who are sick and tired of the ease with which criminals can now anonymously stockpile for mass murder,” in a statement released Saturday

Lautenberg and McCarthy, who will unveil their new proposal at New York’s City Hall say they intend to “make it harder for criminals to anonymously stockpile ammunition through the Internet.”

I dare ANY congressman or senator to poison pill that bitch with a repeal of 922 (o). But sadly, our side has no fucking balls at all. Which is why we'll have to settle it in the upcoming revolution. Fuck them all.

I would love to see that poison pill happen. It should be attached to the magazine-ban amendment as well if that gains traction...

I think it should be attached to every law the Democrats want. Something nice and basic that says that regulation of firearms is a state issue and should be decided by the individual states.

Posted: 7/29/2012 3:33:26 PM EDT

[#30]

Apparently the dems really do have a gay agenda. Limiting online sales of ammo will give my local gun dealer another way to fuck me.

Posted: 7/29/2012 3:36:09 PM EDT

[#31]

Quoted:

Why, why, WHY do they constantly bring up sportsmen and hunting? The 2A has FUCKING ZERO to do with either one.

Even people who are supposedly on our side do this. The other day Michael Savage was going on about how you don't need a drum magazine to kill a deer. He has handguns. Does he use handguns to kill a deer?

Get a brain moran.

Posted: 7/29/2012 3:36:28 PM EDT

[#32]

anybody else notice the words shaking up and down on the website? I had to ask someone else here to make sure it was'nt just me on my end. I've never seen that before on any news website.

Posted: 7/29/2012 3:38:00 PM EDT

[#33]

Quoted:
Can anyone summarize the contents of the bill?

Posted: 7/29/2012 3:38:18 PM EDT

[#34]

Quoted:
Can anyone summarize the contents of the bill?

Yep...

"Derp, herp...Derp derp herp. Derp".

Posted: 7/29/2012 3:40:02 PM EDT

[#35]

Does anyone know how much ammunition these mass shooters happened to bring with them? 200, 300, 400 rounds?

Are they seriously suggesting that the real problem was really the other 5,500 rounds left in the shooter's apartment??

Posted: 7/29/2012 3:40:25 PM EDT

[#36]

Quoted:

Quoted:
I wonder if they'll outlaw the explosives (what ever they were) the guy had in his apartment ?

IIRC those are already illegal.

Unpossible. If they were illegal he couldn't have acquired them.

[sarcasm] If they were illegal how'd he get them ? [sarcasm]
I used this to convince my mother more laws won't help anything.

Posted: 7/29/2012 3:43:24 PM EDT

[#37]

Quoted:
Carolyn McCarthy (N.Y.)

Does not surprise me in the slightest...........I hate that bitch.

Same with Louseyberg from NJ..he's one of the biggest hypocrites in the entire Congress that fucktard

Posted: 7/29/2012 3:43:33 PM EDT

[#38]

Quoted:
Why, why, WHY do they constantly bring up sportsmen and hunting? The 2A has FUCKING ZERO to do with either one.

It's a textbook logical fallacy. They create the opposing argument in a tone that they feel is easily refutable, even if untrue. You see, you're obviously a hunter and you should admit that you don't need to order "excessive" ammunition online in order to shoot deer once per year.

See?

Posted: 7/29/2012 3:43:45 PM EDT

[#39]

Same old song and dance.

Posted: 7/29/2012 3:49:51 PM EDT

[#40]

Quoted:
Just saw this while reading the magazine ban article. I hate these fucking people.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/240909-dem-lawmakers-to-unveil-bill-regulating-online-sale-of-ammo

Two Democratic lawmakers on Monday will announce new legislation to regulate the online and mail-order sale of ammunition.

Sen. Frank Lautenberg (N.J.) and Rep. Carolyn McCarthy (N.Y.) said the new law would make the sale of ammunition “safer for law-abiding Americans who are sick and tired of the ease with which criminals can now anonymously stockpile for mass murder,” in a statement released Saturday

Lautenberg and McCarthy, who will unveil their new proposal at New York’s City Hall say they intend to “make it harder for criminals to anonymously stockpile ammunition through the Internet.”

Those fuckers think you can legislate just about anything. Fuck them and fuck Barry.

Posted: 7/29/2012 4:00:47 PM EDT

[#41]

Still not a word condemning Hollywood for the violent crap it produces. The fucker was dressed as a movie character and got violent at a violent movie! How come shooting, stabbing, chainsawing people is OK but boobies are bad?

Posted: 7/29/2012 4:16:10 PM EDT

[#42]

It didn't work in 1968-1986, and it won't work now..

Posted: 7/29/2012 4:16:30 PM EDT

[#43]

Quoted:
Still not a word condemning Hollywood for the violent crap it produces. The fucker was dressed as a movie character and got violent at a violent movie! How come shooting, stabbing, chainsawing people is OK but boobies are bad?

And there will be none. Hollywood; more over, Hollywood unions are Obummers biggest supporters.

Posted: 7/29/2012 4:18:35 PM EDT

[#44]

On behalf of the people who didn't elect McCarthy and Schumer into office, I apologize for the retardedness of our representatives.

Posted: 7/29/2012 4:19:10 PM EDT

[#45]

Quoted:
Carolyn McCarthy (N.Y.)

Does not surprise me in the slightest...........I hate that bitch.

The usual suspect, between this numb c-word and that meat gazing, motherfucking senile fucktard from New Jersey, and of course our old pal Chucky Schumer, fuck them all! If these worthless wannabe socialist hacks spent half as much time working on real issues plaguing our country, we might be in a better place!

HEY DEMS! FUCK YOU, worthless pieces of motherfucking shit!

Posted: 7/29/2012 4:22:05 PM EDT

[#46]

Quoted:

Loughner, the gunman charged in the shooting of former Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (R-Ariz.) and Holmes, who is the lone suspect in the Aurora theater shootings are both believed to have used high-capacity magazines

I thought Gabby Gifford was a (D)?

She was and still is.

I still think she's going to do a gun-control speech at the convention. She doesn't have anything to lose, as she is not running for re-election.

Posted: 7/29/2012 4:28:24 PM EDT

[#47]

I can't imagine Bloomberg won't somehow worm his way into the announcement.

Posted: 7/29/2012 4:29:33 PM EDT

[#48]

It is embarrassing to have people of such low character and estate in offices of civil government. To make a statement that purchasing ammunition is stockpiling for mass murder is disgraceful, they should have a recall election or some dismissal procedure.