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I am an agent of the Democratic Party. Howard Dean sent me here to sow discord amongst you right-wing yokels. I am going to campaign against Romney and split the vote by turning your attention to meaningless third-party options like the Libertarians.


Buuuuuaaaahahahaahahahahaha!




Seriously, if any of you believe this, you need to get a life.
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Originally Posted By ChicagoSniperClub:
Originally Posted By VelveteenMole:

Originally Posted By ChicagoSniperClub:
Someone In Illinois is Bitching about a law banning all Assasult weapons that was signed and put in place by Romney in Massachusetts? This makes you Laugh your Ass off? Well in Illinois I can have and own as many assasult weapons as I want, there is no ban here. Now evey time I hear ANY gun news its "Obama is going to take and ban your guns" signed NRA,FOX, Rush, Palin, Any Republican, any Tealiban.....So this is/was news to me, first I've seen of it. So I posted it here because again all anyone hears is Obama is going to ban and kick your door in and take your guns, all while the only one that as a fact has passed any law that says NO guns is Mitt Romney!...So it was very shocking to me to hear/see this because this is the GUY we are told to vote for, because he will not touch our guns......

Unlike you, even the absolutists and Paulbots in here know that Obama has a far more extreme and substantial record of actively fighting gun ownership of every kind than Romney does. It may be the lesser of two evils for Romney's supporters, but the ideological and motivational gulf between them is, by all evidence, HUGE.

As a Shitcagoan, YOU SHOULD KNOW Obama's record in Illinois and therefore realize what he's capable of. I believe you do know about Obama and I think you're, at best, a Fudd Democrat and Obama supporter rather than simply a Romney hater. Your whole tack here smells like bullshit propaganda.




Democrat No, Independent yes. Vote for President Obama in 2008 yes, From Chicago No-But every forum name I could come up with was already used, Never followed every thing Obama did in Illinois-Just as President, Now I follow and use the facts as to how I judge/vote -Fact Romney as governor, he signed a permanent assault weapons ban into law in Massachusetts. Yes I have an issue with that and everyone here should! I'm still waiting for something in form of a FACT that Obama has done (As President) that again is "true" and along the lines of what Romney did. If this UN gun crap is really what the NRA says, well I'll be done with him! If its true as every fact check site says its not and it will not effect you and I unless someone is supplying weapons to foreign countries/terrorist and passes the Senate with a 2/3 votes (Will Never Happen)....So my tack, I agree is not the best here but again this was news to me. Propaganda information, ideas, or rumors deliberately spread widely to help or harm a person, group, movement, institution, nation, etc. Thats what this whole post is about!



So you are a shill.
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Posted: 7/22/2012 8:36:52 PM
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Originally Posted By ChicagoSniperClub:
Originally Posted By VelveteenMole:

Originally Posted By ChicagoSniperClub:
Someone In Illinois is Bitching about a law banning all Assasult weapons that was signed and put in place by Romney in Massachusetts? This makes you Laugh your Ass off? Well in Illinois I can have and own as many assasult weapons as I want, there is no ban here. Now evey time I hear ANY gun news its "Obama is going to take and ban your guns" signed NRA,FOX, Rush, Palin, Any Republican, any Tealiban.....So this is/was news to me, first I've seen of it. So I posted it here because again all anyone hears is Obama is going to ban and kick your door in and take your guns, all while the only one that as a fact has passed any law that says NO guns is Mitt Romney!...So it was very shocking to me to hear/see this because this is the GUY we are told to vote for, because he will not touch our guns......

Unlike you, even the absolutists and Paulbots in here know that Obama has a far more extreme and substantial record of actively fighting gun ownership of every kind than Romney does. It may be the lesser of two evils for Romney's supporters, but the ideological and motivational gulf between them is, by all evidence, HUGE.

As a Shitcagoan, YOU SHOULD KNOW Obama's record in Illinois and therefore realize what he's capable of. I believe you do know about Obama and I think you're, at best, a Fudd Democrat and Obama supporter rather than simply a Romney hater. Your whole tack here smells like bullshit propaganda.




Democrat No, Independent yes. Vote for President Obama in 2008 yes, From Chicago No-But every forum name I could come up with was already used, Never followed every thing Obama did in Illinois-Just as President, Now I follow and use the facts as to how I judge/vote -Fact Romney as governor, he signed a permanent assault weapons ban into law in Massachusetts. Yes I have an issue with that and everyone here should! I'm still waiting for something in form of a FACT that Obama has done (As President) that again is "true" and along the lines of what Romney did. If this UN gun crap is really what the NRA says, well I'll be done with him! If its true as every fact check site says its not and it will not effect you and I unless someone is supplying weapons to foreign countries/terrorist and passes the Senate with a 2/3 votes (Will Never Happen)....So my tack, I agree is not the best here but again this was news to me. Propaganda information, ideas, or rumors deliberately spread widely to help or harm a person, group, movement, institution, nation, etc. Thats what this whole post is about!



So you are a shill.



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Posted: 7/22/2012 8:37:27 PM
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Originally Posted By CFFUTS23:
I lived in MA at the time and you need to get the facts straight. The liberal legislature passed an extention of the AWB that was veto proof. He shouldn't have signed it, but he did.


So you know more about the law than the NRA or GOAL? Please enlighten me as to how The so-called Romney AWB of 2004 was an extension of the ban.

I left MA in 1998, but I still keep up with MA politics for entertainment purposes.

From GOAL link above:



Chapter 150 of the Acts of 2004: An Act Further Regulating Certain Weapons

This is a perfect example of don’t believe in titles. The bill was the greatest victory for gun owners since the passage of the gun control laws in 1998 (Chapter 180 of the Acts of 1998). It was a reform bill totally supported by GOAL. Press and media stories around the country got it completely wrong when claimed the bill was an extension of the “assault weapon” ban that had sunset at the federal level. They could not have been more wrong. Unfortunately for the Governor, someone had also wrongly briefed him about the bill. As a result the Lt. Governor and the Governor made statements at the bill signing ceremony that angered GOAL members. The following is what the bill actually did:

1. Established the Firearm License Review Board (FLRB). The 1998 law created new criteria for disqualifying citizens for firearms licenses that included any misdemeanor punishable by more than two years even if no jail time was ever served.

For instance, a first conviction of operating a motor vehicle under the influence would result in the loss of your ability to own a handgun for life and long guns for a minimum of five years. This Board is now able to review cases under limited circumstances to restore licenses to individuals who meet certain criteria.

2. Mandated that a minimum of $50,000 of the licensing fees be used for the operation of the FLRB so that the Board would not cease operating under budget cuts.

3. Extended the term of the state’s firearm licenses from 4 years to 6 years.

4. Permanently attached the federal language concerning assault weapon exemptions in 18 USC 922 Appendix A to the Massachusetts assault weapons laws. This is the part that the media misrepresented.

In 1998 the Massachusetts legislature passed its own assault weapons ban (MGL Chapter 140, Section 131M). This ban did not rely on the federal language and contained no sunset clause. Knowing that we did not have the votes in 2004 to get rid of the state law, we did not want to loose all of the federal exemptions that were not in the state law so this new bill was amended to include them.

5. Re-instated a 90 day grace period for citizens who were trying to renew their firearm license. Over the past years, the government agencies in charge had fallen months behind in renewing licenses. At one point it was taking upwards of a year to renew a license. Under Massachusetts law, a citizen cannot have a firearm or ammunition in their home with an expired license.

6. Mandated that law enforcement must issue a receipt for firearms that are confiscated due to an expired license. Prior to this law, no receipts were given for property confiscated which led to accusations of stolen or lost firearms after they were confiscated by police.

7. Gave free license renewal for law enforcement officers who applied through their employing agency.

8. Changed the size and style of a firearm license to that of a driver’s license so that it would fit in a normal wallet. The original license was 3” x 4”.

9. Created stiffer penalties for armed home invaders.



ETA: Romney signed the bill into law for a simple reason, and that reason is everybody supported it. The pro-gun lobby wanted the law, and so did the moonbats who believed the Boston Globe's claim that the state ban would become unenforceable with the expiration of the federal ban. Nobody spoke out against it.
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Massachusetts people are much more dangerous than your average American.

They can't be trusted. It would be like giving apes swords. The minute you cross the state line into Massachusetts your IQ drops at least twenty point making you mentally incapable of safely possessing such a complicated machine. (Sarcasm).

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Originally Posted By POLYTHENEPAM:
Originally Posted By GarandM1:

Originally Posted By NickOfTime:
Originally Posted By shotar:
The Mass AWB was in place before Romney. He signed a bill that improved conditions for gun owners. Why do people keep spreading lies about this?



How does a permanent ban replacing a temporary ban improve conditions for gun owners??

There was no expiration date on the 1998 Massachusetts ban –– only wishful thinking that because the definitions in the Mass Ban referenced those in the federal ban that somehow the entire law would disappear when the federal ban expired. There was no specific "sunset clause" in the Massachusetts law.

Since Massachusetts is a hard-Left, Deep Blue state what would have happened is anti-gun cops and prosecutors would have applied the law to any semi-auto they didn't like, including Minis and 10/22s. There was zero chance that the 1998 ban would have been invalidated, and a very, very good chance it would become worse.

Good thing you're not a lawyer. If you were your clients would probably end up being exectuted for parking tickets.
Criminal statutes are strictly construed against the state.
"...anti-gun cops and prosecutors..." can't apply the law to anything they don't like. Without definitions, the law would have been unconstitutionally vague and therefore unenforcable.
Unlike you, the anti-gun cops, prosecutors and politicians knew this. THAT'S THE REASON THE LAW WAS AMENDED.



Seriously? No prosecutor would ever dare stretch the definition of a vague law, or press charges for political purposes, or harass people he doesn't like to push an agenda?

No cops would ever dare arrest anyone based on their personal prejudices, or arrest them to appease the mob, or arrest them on instructions from higher ups?

There's a man in Florida to whom you should send a copy of your post; his name is George Zimmerman. I'm sure he'll agree with you 100%.

Your naivety is touching, but this is Massachusetts we are talking about. The AW ban was going nowhere, and even if it had there was a veto-proof Democrat majority in both houses of the Legislature ready to push an even more strict gun law in its place if your Hail Mary legal strategy had invalidated the law.

Virtually all the posters from Massachusetts in this thread agree that the law made things better, not worse, for them. Why do you refuse to believe them?

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Posted: 7/22/2012 8:59:07 PM
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All excuses aside he did sign it.

Its again a competition between a giant douche and a turd sandwich. Both of which will sign it any gun ban that comes across their desk.

Not ANY, and Romney would be an idiot to if he want's a second term. But the real threat is executive action and SCOTUS appointments. Obama is a true believer in gun-control; I doubt Romney gives crap beyond what's politically expedient for him. There's no reason whatsoever to think he's motivated to do shit behind the scenes or go hunting for a SCOTUS appointee who's a backdoor anti-gunner despite being a pro-business conservative. Why is this so fucking hard to grasp?


"Deadly assault weapons have no place in Massachusetts. These guns are not made for recreation or self-defense. They are instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people." this is why its so fucking hard to grasp.
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Well, if an AWB comes across Romney's desk and it's popular he'll sign it.

Just like Nixon could say to his hawks "%*^( you" and open up relations with China, because what were they going to do vote Democrat?
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Humm........

There are also many illegal Chinese in CA that "collect" just like the illegal Mexicans. OBAMA doesn't want to send ANY potential Dem voter(s) back to thier home country and their relatives that can vote legally......will vote Dem.

See how it works?

Aloha, Mark

PS........some of the republicans are no better on this issue.


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Well, if an AWB comes across Romney's desk and it's popular he'll sign it.

Just like Nixon could say to his hawks "%*^( you" and open up relations with China, because what were they going to do vote Democrat?


And 0bama won't? For a federal AWB to get the kind of support the MA law did, the country would have to undergo a major shift. I don't see it happening. The anti gunners are on the ropes, the same way we were in the early 90s.

Romney did say that he would sign national CCW reciprocity. He also said "We have enough gun laws on the books". I do not recall hearing 0bama say anything like that. Those are the two we must choose from.

And even if they were the same on guns, which they aren't, I don't think our economy will survive another 4 years of a socialist in the White House. Romney is most certainly pro-business.

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Originally Posted By ChicagoSniperClub:
I just just read this off a Romney site...And this is well.....More awsome news!

In Massachusetts 1994, Mitt Romney said, "I don't line up with the NRA." A decade later, as governor, he signed legislation making a state assault weapons ban permanent.!!! Romney also supported a national assault weapons ban and the Brady Bill during his 1994 Senate run .... WTF and all I hear is its Obama...Its Romney! ObamaCare came from RomneyCare...Its Romney the Assault weapon Fascist!

Great.....Just great.

Now this is not a Pro Obama post its a Fact post. Something we need to look into with Romney.
This is SO simple.

It is because the citizens in MA voted for politicians and laws that restrict them.

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Originally Posted By ChicagoSniperClub:
I just just read this off a Romney site...And this is well.....More awsome news!

In Massachusetts 1994, Mitt Romney said, "I don't line up with the NRA." A decade later, as governor, he signed legislation making a state assault weapons ban permanent.!!! Romney also supported a national assault weapons ban and the Brady Bill during his 1994 Senate run .... WTF and all I hear is its Obama...Its Romney! ObamaCare came from RomneyCare...Its Romney the Assault weapon Fascist!

Great.....Just great.

Now this is not a Pro Obama post its a Fact post. Something we need to look into with Romney.


34 posts in a year and a half? Dusting off the troll account are we?
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Posted: 7/22/2012 9:37:07 PM
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I just just read this off a Romney site...And this is well.....More awsome news!

In Massachusetts 1994, Mitt Romney said, "I don't line up with the NRA." A decade later, as governor, he signed legislation making a state assault weapons ban permanent.!!! Romney also supported a national assault weapons ban and the Brady Bill during his 1994 Senate run .... WTF and all I hear is its Obama...Its Romney! ObamaCare came from RomneyCare...Its Romney the Assault weapon Fascist!

Great.....Just great.

Now this is not a Pro Obama post its a Fact post. Something we need to look into with Romney.


34 posts in a year and a half? Dusting off the troll account are we?



Read my comment.
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34 posts in a year and a half? Dusting off the troll account are we?



Read my comment.


and you should read mine referencing your comment. Then go back and read the archives prior to the last election.


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Originally Posted By VelveteenMole:

Originally Posted By wingo:
All excuses aside he did sign it.

Its again a competition between a giant douche and a turd sandwich. Both of which will sign it any gun ban that comes across their desk.

Not ANY, and Romney would be an idiot to if he want's a second term. But the real threat is executive action and SCOTUS appointments. Obama is a true believer in gun-control; I doubt Romney gives crap beyond what's politically expedient for him. There's no reason whatsoever to think he's motivated to do shit behind the scenes or go hunting for a SCOTUS appointee who's a backdoor anti-gunner despite being a pro-business conservative. Why is this so fucking hard to grasp?


"Deadly assault weapons have no place in Massachusetts. These guns are not made for recreation or self-defense. They are instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people." this is why its so fucking hard to grasp.

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If it makes you feel better, it's not a vote for Romney, its a vote against Obama.
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Originally Posted By NickOfTime:
Originally Posted By shotar:
The Mass AWB was in place before Romney. He signed a bill that improved conditions for gun owners. Why do people keep spreading lies about this?



How does a permanent ban replacing a temporary ban improve conditions for gun owners??

Uh, the first ban was permanent. The second one reduced some restrictions. Check your facts before responding.


+1

There was no sunset to the MA AWB like with the federal one.
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Romney is a fucking snake. He is the classic used car salesman. He will do whatever is necessary to adapt to his surroundings, even if that includes constantly changing his policies and stabbing everyone in the back.

He cannot be trusted with protecting the Second Amendment.


Please explain how Obama is better, moby...

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OK, what is a "Moby"???
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Originally Posted By not_sure:
Originally Posted By georgestrings:
Originally Posted By MrValentine:
Romney is a fucking snake. He is the classic used car salesman. He will do whatever is necessary to adapt to his surroundings, even if that includes constantly changing his policies and stabbing everyone in the back.

He cannot be trusted with protecting the Second Amendment.


Please explain how Obama is better, moby...

- georgestrings


OK, what is a "Moby"???


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