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Posted: 2/26/2012 4:51:32 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/26/2012 4:56:33 PM EDT
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Definitely one of my favorite birds, ever since I had an ANG book cover in elementary school of a Phantom. Man, I loved those Phantom book covers back in school!
I do have a question, though. What was the general consensus of ComBloc nations regarding the Phantom? Did Mig pilots really fear the plane? Any data on how well the Phantom did in air to air battles in Vietnam? |
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Posted: 2/26/2012 4:57:11 PM EDT
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I grew up around them, my father was an F-4 pilot for over 25 years, as a kid this plane is all I knew and spent 100's of hours in the flight simulator at various different bases he was stationed at. Great warbird, technology just killed it and probably one of the last generations of real aviators, you have to remember this is pre GPS and fly-by-wire. I can still distinctly remember being at Luke AFB and being out with the flight safety guys watching them take off and land. I always thought it was interesting that before they went to the smokeless engine, you could see them way before you could hear them.
Anyway, still a cool bird and when I joined the AF they had been still used. I would have given anything to fly one, even if they told me my flight career would have ended after they got rid of them.
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Posted: 2/26/2012 5:01:50 PM EDT
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Where I use to work back in the 70's - " Egress systems "
Ubon AB Thailand, home of the Wolf Pack 
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Posted: 2/26/2012 5:04:46 PM EDT
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Where I use to work back in the 70's - " Egress systems " Ubon AB Thailand, home of the Wolf Pack http://www.talkingproud.us/Military/OldHercLGB/OldHercLGBPioneer/files/migkillerf4d.jpg That is the highest scoring Phantom of the war. I believe it is at the US air force Academy in Colorado. |
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Posted: 2/26/2012 5:26:06 PM EDT
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Where I use to work back in the 70's - " Egress systems " Ubon AB Thailand, home of the Wolf Pack http://www.talkingproud.us/Military/OldHercLGB/OldHercLGBPioneer/files/migkillerf4d.jpg Some ROK F-4s from my time at the Wolfpack's current home. 
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Posted: 2/26/2012 5:27:22 PM EDT
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I think it's kind of ironic that the last operational F-4s (aside from our own QF-4s) are flown by an enemy: Iran.
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Posted: 2/26/2012 5:29:13 PM EDT
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I think it's kind of ironic that the last operational F-4s (aside from our own QF-4s) are flown by an enemy: Iran. CJ They might not be around for much longer either. |
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Posted: 2/26/2012 5:29:23 PM EDT
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I think the Japanese, Germans, Koreans, and Turks still fly the F4.
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Posted: 2/26/2012 5:33:19 PM EDT
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I'm pretty sure the Germans retired theirs. Not as sure about the others but I THOUGHT they'd already done so.
CJ |
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Posted: 2/26/2012 5:33:23 PM EDT
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Hard to believe they still fly em!
http://www.airforcetimes.com/news/2011/07/ap-air-force-holloman-f-4-crash-report-070611/ 
They sure made alot! |
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Posted: 2/26/2012 5:36:30 PM EDT
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I think the Japanese, Germans, Koreans, and Turks still fly the F4. Add Greece to the list. |
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Posted: 2/26/2012 5:54:10 PM EDT
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F-4s are like 1911s, obsolete but so sexy. No. The 1911 has a better track record. . . . . unlike the original F-4 which could not shoot bullets, a big problem in the Vietnam War. Also, the 1911 continues to work just fine, winning IPSC matches, in use with Law enforcement, CCW, and home protection. Both are very sexy though. |
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Posted: 2/26/2012 6:14:21 PM EDT
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I can still hear the coming and going, its a sound that you never forget. Used to see them every day growing up, never thought of a time I wouldn't hear them.
And some German RF-4 Goodness. 
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Posted: 2/26/2012 6:23:54 PM EDT
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Quoted: Great plane. From a design point of view, its kind of a kluge...but in the end it turned out to be one of the most successful warbirds of all time. Payload and airframe. Unlike many other jets the F-4 could accommodate significant upgrades (I should know; such upgrades kept my Dad in a job for more than a decade) and it could carry large amounts of pretty much any munition farther than most other jets. The number of variants of the F-4 is amazing. |
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Posted: 2/26/2012 6:35:07 PM EDT
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It was great to see the F4 at the Cleveland airshow last year:
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Posted: 2/26/2012 6:42:01 PM EDT
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You never forget your "first"
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Posted: 2/26/2012 7:05:45 PM EDT
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Where I use to work back in the 70's - " Egress systems " Ubon AB Thailand, home of the Wolf Pack http://www.talkingproud.us/Military/OldHercLGB/OldHercLGBPioneer/files/migkillerf4d.jpg Some ROK F-4s from my time at the Wolfpack's current home. http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/8692/1002081s.jpg http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/5620/1002083p.jpg http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/6872/1002090j.jpg http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/7420/1002092v.jpg http://img860.imageshack.us/img860/2311/1002094z.jpg http://img585.imageshack.us/img585/3918/1002096r.jpg Thanks for the pics ... ya know with the temperature change in ROK - I'll bet you guys had pneumatic systems air leaks out the ass... 
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Posted: 2/26/2012 7:35:51 PM EDT
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F-4 McDonald Douglas' proof to the world that with a big enough engine even a brick will fly. McDonnell Aircraft (Mac Air) F-4 Phsntom. |
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Posted: 2/26/2012 7:41:10 PM EDT
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An AIM-9 Sidewinder air-to-air missile strikes a McDonnell QF-4B Phantom II target drone during tests at U.S. Navy Naval Missile Center (NMC) Point Mugu, California (USA), 6 February 1974. |
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Posted: 2/26/2012 9:07:36 PM EDT
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Where I use to work back in the 70's - " Egress systems " Ubon AB Thailand, home of the Wolf Pack http://www.talkingproud.us/Military/OldHercLGB/OldHercLGBPioneer/files/migkillerf4d.jpg Some ROK F-4s from my time at the Wolfpack's current home. http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/8692/1002081s.jpg http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/5620/1002083p.jpg http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/6872/1002090j.jpg http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/7420/1002092v.jpg http://img860.imageshack.us/img860/2311/1002094z.jpg http://img585.imageshack.us/img585/3918/1002096r.jpg Thanks for the pics ... ya know with the temperature change in ROK - I'll bet you guys had pneumatic systems air leaks out the ass... Those are Korean F-4s. While I was there in 2005-6 I worked POS Lawn Darts. 
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Posted: 2/26/2012 9:11:01 PM EDT
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http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4c/AIM-9_hitting_QF-4B_at_Point_Mugu_1974.jpeg An AIM-9 Sidewinder air-to-air missile strikes a McDonnell QF-4B Phantom II target drone during tests at U.S. Navy Naval Missile Center (NMC) Point Mugu, California (USA), 6 February 1974. Wish I had the video I saw from when one of our F-15Cs finished off a QF-4 with a 7 second burst of 20 MM. 
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Posted: 2/27/2012 12:17:54 AM EDT
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Spangdahlem bird there - my dad has that pic as his desktop. When he was stationed there, we lived between Spangdahlem and Bitburg so we had both F4s and F15s overhead everyday. When were you there? I was stationed at Bitburg from '86 to '88. We were at Spangdahlem from '80-'82 (lived in Metterich), Ramstein from '83-'86 Shit, you were there when we were there! Dad got stationed at Ramstein from 84 to 86. |
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Posted: 2/27/2012 7:46:39 AM EDT
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Where I use to work back in the 70's - " Egress systems " Ubon AB Thailand, home of the Wolf Pack http://www.talkingproud.us/Military/OldHercLGB/OldHercLGBPioneer/files/migkillerf4d.jpg ETA here's her sister ship AF68762, originally I thought they were both built in 1967 hmm ... I know I've worked on both, 762 and 763. http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_F4nyCQcXmAE/SqBTDY0zFII/AAAAAAAAAQ4/cPCFBeprHuc/s1600/Ubon66-8762wMk82DaisyCutters.jpg Egress what the hell is that? 
I have heard they were interesting to work, as they were could bite if you werent paying attention. Thailand, were you part of the 366th? |
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Posted: 2/27/2012 8:58:19 AM EDT
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What years were you there? I was at Udrorn Jan. '73-'74.
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Posted: 2/27/2012 9:00:56 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4c/AIM-9_hitting_QF-4B_at_Point_Mugu_1974.jpeg An AIM-9 Sidewinder air-to-air missile strikes a McDonnell QF-4B Phantom II target drone during tests at U.S. Navy Naval Missile Center (NMC) Point Mugu, California (USA), 6 February 1974. Wish I had the video I saw from when one of our F-15Cs finished off a QF-4 with a 7 second burst of 20 MM. A seven second burst of 20mm?  That is 75 rounds per second (4500rpm) or 525 rounds of HEI. Not good shooting.
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Posted: 2/27/2012 9:10:26 AM EDT
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The Phantom is proof that with enough thrust even a brick can fly. It is truly an icon. Very true and everybody on Base knew when they we're gearing up to take off....
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Posted: 2/27/2012 9:57:12 AM EDT
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The Phantom is proof that with enough thrust even a brick can fly. It is truly an icon. Very true and everybody on Base knew when they we're gearing up to take off.... Everyone within 6 miles of the base knew when they were taking off. |
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Posted: 2/27/2012 10:03:23 AM EDT
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I think it's kind of ironic that the last operational F-4s (aside from our own QF-4s) are flown by an enemy: Iran. CJ Japan still has them. Well at least they were still flying them back in 2006. My squadron trained with them (Hornent squadron). |
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Posted: 2/27/2012 10:08:09 AM EDT
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http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4c/AIM-9_hitting_QF-4B_at_Point_Mugu_1974.jpeg An AIM-9 Sidewinder air-to-air missile strikes a McDonnell QF-4B Phantom II target drone during tests at U.S. Navy Naval Missile Center (NMC) Point Mugu, California (USA), 6 February 1974. Wish I had the video I saw from when one of our F-15Cs finished off a QF-4 with a 7 second burst of 20 MM. A seven second burst of 20mm? That is 75 rounds per second (4500rpm) or 525 rounds of HEI. Not good shooting.No, it was 7 seconds at 100 rounds a second and was pretty good shooting. Shredded the F-4.
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Posted: 2/27/2012 10:15:33 AM EDT
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Reminds Me of the hottest GF I ever had...not very beautiful or cute, but drop dead sexy.
When I was MT ANG, the ID ANG Boys would come over with their RF-4's & play with Our F-16's. I got to Launch/Recover/Refuel them & damn I miss it. ( The most labor intensive ACFT launches I ever did, but also the most satisfying) 
You could always spot a Smokin' Thunder Brick Crew Chief - the knees of His pants were worn through, along with the toes of His shoes! The Ol' Crew Chief |
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Posted: 2/27/2012 11:06:18 AM EDT
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I hadn't realized so many foreign nations were still flying them. That's cool.
I retain enough nostalgia for classic war machines that I wish there was a viable purpose to keep at least a few of them in operation. |
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Posted: 2/27/2012 11:08:26 AM EDT
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I hadn't realized so many foreign nations were still flying them. That's cool. I retain enough nostalgia for classic war machines that I wish there was a viable purpose to keep at least a few of them in operation. The one I fly averages 40 years old 
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Posted: 2/27/2012 12:52:08 PM EDT
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CFII, how did you not see this picture
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Posted: 2/27/2012 1:05:49 PM EDT
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Yep F4 is my all time favorite plane! Loved watching them fly over my house when i was a kid yep, i lived in league city, and the flight path from ellington AFB out to the gulf was directly over my house. watched F4s for years, until they switched to F16s. i always missed the F4s. |
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Posted: 2/27/2012 1:17:21 PM EDT
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"Irish" Driscoll and "Duke" Cunningham VF-96 "Show Time" And here's Capt. (now BG) Steve Ritchie... 
(Lto R) Capt Bellevieu and Capt. Ritchie; to the rear are LTC Carl "Griff" Baily and CPT Jeffrey S. Feinstein; fellow Mig Killers, Aces and Phantom drivers. 
THis F-4 Phantom II wear the colors of Ritchie's Phantom when he got his 1st and 5th MiG Kills in Vietnam, Under the callsigns Buick 1 and Oyster 3. His RIO was Cpt. C. B. DeBellevieu. BTW; the 55th TFS (Triple NIckel) was out of MacDill AFB< Florida during the VIetnam War era and now currently resides in Aviano AB in Italy. 
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Posted: 2/27/2012 1:29:53 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/27/2012 2:15:27 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: "Irish" Driscoll and "Duke" Cunningham VF-96 "Show Time" And here's Capt. (now BG) Steve Ritchie... http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/5e/MiG_Killers.png (Lto R) Capt Bellevieu and Capt. Ritchie; to the rear are LTC Carl "Griff" Baily and CPT Jeffrey S. Feinstein; fellow Mig Killers, Aces and Phantom drivers. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ab/F-4_Phantom_II_Collings_Foundation.jpg THis F-4 Phantom II wear the colors of Ritchie's Phantom when he got his 1st and 5th MiG Kills in Vietnam, Under the callsigns Buick 1 and Oyster 3. His RIO was Cpt. C. B. DeBellevieu. BTW; the 55th TFS (Triple NIckel) was out of MacDill AFB< Florida during the VIetnam War era and now currently resides in Aviano AB in Italy. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0f/555_FS.jpg Triple Nickel was based at Luke when I was a kid In the F15 |
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Posted: 2/27/2012 2:18:07 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4c/AIM-9_hitting_QF-4B_at_Point_Mugu_1974.jpeg An AIM-9 Sidewinder air-to-air missile strikes a McDonnell QF-4B Phantom II target drone during tests at U.S. Navy Naval Missile Center (NMC) Point Mugu, California (USA), 6 February 1974. Wish I had the video I saw from when one of our F-15Cs finished off a QF-4 with a 7 second burst of 20 MM. A seven second burst of 20mm? That is 75 rounds per second (4500rpm) or 525 rounds of HEI. Not good shooting.No, it was 7 seconds at 100 rounds a second and was pretty good shooting. Shredded the F-4. Ok...I wondered if the airborne version of the M61 operated at 6,000rpm or 4,500 like the shipboard version. Still...700 rounds is a lot of ammo. How big is the aircraft magazine? |
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Posted: 2/27/2012 2:27:40 PM EDT
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Dad on the right. He had over 2000 hours in the Phantom. Notice the bad ass mustaches. Only the best Phantom pilots can rock one.
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Posted: 2/27/2012 2:34:32 PM EDT
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One of our G models while TDY in Zaragoza, Spain.
 another...  More Spangdahlem birds. I worked Instruments and autopilot, and later cut trained to INS in blue section.      |
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Posted: 2/27/2012 2:49:29 PM EDT
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http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4c/AIM-9_hitting_QF-4B_at_Point_Mugu_1974.jpeg An AIM-9 Sidewinder air-to-air missile strikes a McDonnell QF-4B Phantom II target drone during tests at U.S. Navy Naval Missile Center (NMC) Point Mugu, California (USA), 6 February 1974. Wish I had the video I saw from when one of our F-15Cs finished off a QF-4 with a 7 second burst of 20 MM. A seven second burst of 20mm? That is 75 rounds per second (4500rpm) or 525 rounds of HEI. Not good shooting.No, it was 7 seconds at 100 rounds a second and was pretty good shooting. Shredded the F-4. Ok...I wondered if the airborne version of the M61 operated at 6,000rpm or 4,500 like the shipboard version. Still...700 rounds is a lot of ammo. How big is the aircraft magazine? A-D models 940 rds E models 500rds |
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Posted: 2/27/2012 2:55:35 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/27/2012 3:02:54 PM EDT
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The largest Distributor of Migs Parts in SE Asia. I was in the Triple Nickel when it was an F-15 RTU. They had behind glass, a Christmas card they sent to a Mig Squadron in North Vietnam that said. Merry Christmas from the Triple Nickel. The largest distributor of Mig parts in SE Asia. That Mig squadron wrote something in the card and sent it back and it hung on the wall behind glass in the squadron ever since. Fuckin A |
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Posted: 2/27/2012 3:08:44 PM EDT
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"Irish" Driscoll and "Duke" Cunningham VF-96 "Show Time" And here's Capt. (now BG) Steve Ritchie... http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/5e/MiG_Killers.png (Lto R) Capt Bellevieu and Capt. Ritchie; to the rear are LTC Carl "Griff" Baily and CPT Jeffrey S. Feinstein; fellow Mig Killers, Aces and Phantom drivers. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ab/F-4_Phantom_II_Collings_Foundation.jpg THis F-4 Phantom II wear the colors of Ritchie's Phantom when he got his 1st and 5th MiG Kills in Vietnam, Under the callsigns Buick 1 and Oyster 3. His RIO was Cpt. C. B. DeBellevieu. BTW; the 55th TFS (Triple NIckel) was out of MacDill AFB< Florida during the VIetnam War era and now currently resides in Aviano AB in Italy. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0f/555_FS.jpg Triple Nickel was based at Luke when I was a kid In the F15 I flew in the Triple Nickel at Luke when I was a kid |
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Posted: 2/27/2012 3:14:27 PM EDT
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As a kid in the late '80s I remember KY ANG F4s flying over my house on their way in-and-out of Standiford Field. I think that's why I have a soft spot for the plane.
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Posted: 2/27/2012 3:22:38 PM EDT
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http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0f/555_FS.jpg/250px-555_FS.jpg The largest Distributor of Migs Parts in SE Asia. I was in the Triple Nickel when it was an F-15 RTU. They had behind glass, a Christmas card they sent to a Mig Squadron in North Vietnam that said. Merry Christmas from the Triple Nickel. The largest distributor of Mig parts in SE Asia. That Mig squadron wrote something in the card and sent it back and it hung on the wall behind glass in the squadron ever since. Fuckin A When I was in the 333 FS at Shady J there was a large board in the Ops building that was from the Triple Nickel that had small plates or patches (cannot remember which) representing each air to air kill. Not sure how it came to be there. I guess it made the move there when the Strike Eagles at Luke moved the Seymour. |
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Posted: 2/27/2012 3:36:34 PM EDT
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63-7485 F4-C
63-0611 F4-C 74-1641 F4-E 74-0652 F4-E 69-7254 F4-G 69-7300 F4-G My girls. First two assistent Crew Chief after that DCC all the way! |
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Posted: 2/27/2012 3:37:16 PM EDT
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My Dad worked on them for years, and they used to fly over my house daily when I was a kid. Great plane. Mine did as well, specifically the instrument panels. |
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Posted: 2/27/2012 4:09:55 PM EDT
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