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The question that is starting to be asked: did Sandusky have some kind of leverage on Paterno?
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This is going to cost Penn State big time. This is something I will never understand. When they where sitting around discussing this, they decided it would be best kept in-house and quiet without even talking to the kid, his parents or anyone else. They did that to preserve the "name" of Penn St, I guess. Why don't these idiots, not only choose to protect the kid and let the chips fall on what the public thinks about [insert whatever institution here], but realize once it comes out they are personally fucked and the institution they tried to protect is covered in shit. There should be a class somewhere that instructs people on basic shit like this. If more than one person knows, it is going to get out. Simple as that. Agree. I don't know how anyone can think it was a good idea to keep quiet and not only that continue to associate with him after it was known. They are going to have to fire just about everybody and all of those people won't get jobs because no one will hire them knowing where they came from and must have known. Then these victims are going to sue the shit out of the university. |
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Everyone in the Athletic Department knew the truth about "The Little Sandusky Urban Achievers." No doubts. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: what do you think will happen to Joe Pa at the end of the season? If it is proven true that he knew about the raping of boys, and did nothing, he should start coaching the prison team next year. +1 It is already a proven, documented fact he did something about it. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Sad thing is I guarantee you this started before 2002. No way he got caught the first time. Just heard on the radio there were similar allegations against the same coach in 1998. Not only were there allegations, there was in in depth investigation at that time that was kept very quiet. An incident an 1998 that was botched and surrounded by poor decisions is one thing, a second incident in 2002 with many of the same people is indefensible and inexcusable. To me, the biggest question is what would compel so many people to look the other way for so long. I have a hard time accepting it was just the reputation on the program. |
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Quoted: this is making me ill but it needs to happen. Time for a new avatar? |
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I think that the folks calling for Joe's head are acting on emotion and not reason. Joe didn't molest anyone. Joe was informed of misbehavior on one occasion, and he reported it immediately. Could he have done more? Probably. Would you? Are you sure? How many of you have had a buddy commit suicide or an acquaintance/friend/co-worker/family member accused of sexual abuse? Nearly everybody has. In hindsight, you second guess everything. Could I have done something that would have saved my suicidal cousin's life? Was so-and-so's behavior at that company picnic creepier than I thought at the time? It's easy to second guess somebody else's decisions after the fact. I don't blame Joe for Sandusky's behavior. I started to respond to this when you first wrote it, but I didn't have the words. I still don't. I just want to say that your moral compass is jacked. You and I don't even live in the same world. There's no question that I would have involved the police, if not a fucking ax handle, fucking immediately. "Am I sure...?" What are you even talking about? He KNEW! |
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We are a household of three PSU graduates, two current underclassmen, and another starting there in about a year. The feeling of betrayal is almost like it was done by an immediate family member. That is why he is finished even if he didn't have a legal responsibility to report it. |
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I don't think he'll finish the season, I think he'll be gone by Friday.
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I'm waiting for the usual "we are Penn State" comments... The fact that so many knew he was a pedarest and did nothing is unfathomable. When I read that a janitor witnessed him performing oral sex on 11-13 year old,by his estimation,I just thought "why the fuck did he not beat him to death with a mop?". It was good enough for Jeffrey Dahmer... Such is the sanctity of college sports amongst some people. The word you are looking for is "Pederast" "Pedarest" is something you rest your feet on. |
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Quoted: There have been whispers of this for quite a while in town among people with ties to the football program, but no one was going public because of the investigation. We are a household of three PSU graduates, two current underclassmen, and another starting there in about a year. The feeling of betrayal is almost like it was done by an immediate family member. http://i.imgur.com/BLq3n.jpg I'm disappointed in the same vein in that I wanted to believe that Joe & PSU did it better, cleaner and did things the right way. I held the program in high esteem for many years and now we come to find out they were kiddy diddlers. |
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Quoted: Quoted: this is making me ill but it needs to happen. Time for a new avatar? thanks for reminding me yeah, this avatar is gone as soon as i find a new one |
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I'd really like to find out what he said in that deposition last year. I think the most favorable scenario for Joe Pa would go something like this: "I heard a third-hand allegation about this sexual abuse. Honestly I never thought it was true. I referred it up the chain of command because I was obligated to do so, but I didn't pursue the matter further because I absolutely did not think the allegation to be true. I knew this man for years and could not fathom that he was a kiddy diddler. Had I known, I would have called the cops immediately."
He's probably done for in any event. But if the facts are anything more than the hypothetical I just described then he is certainly done. |
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Sandusky tried to molest a 15 year-old at my local high school (and alma mater) in the summer of 2009 - the kid took it to the administration and they took it to LE immediately - as PSU should have done in 2002.
That's how he was outed and the investigation started. How many victims were there from 2002 to 2009????? |
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Sandusky tried to molest a 15 year-old at my local high school (and alma mater) in the summer of 2009 - the kid took it to the administration and they took it to LE immediately - as PSU should have done in 2002. That's how he was outed and the investigation started. How many victims were there from 2002 to 2009????? And prior. No cure for pedos, get a rope. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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wow, did anyone see Matt Millen on Sportscenter? He was in tears.
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He has to go. Sandusky was allowed to hold overnight football camps on the campus for nearly ten years after a graduate assistant (who is a current coach) saw him rape a 10 year old on campus? Inexcusable. This. The school will lose its ass in lawsuits just like the Catholic church protecting pedophile priests and not reporting rapes to the police. Paterno is a sick piece of shit. |
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What a screwed up deal... I bet this gets even deeper before it is over. Something really sinister about the whole affair.
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Sandusky tried to molest a 15 year-old at my local high school (and alma mater) in the summer of 2009 - the kid took it to the administration and they took it to LE immediately - as PSU should have done in 2002. That's how he was outed and the investigation started. How many victims were there from 2002 to 2009????? Central Mtn?. Wasnt he coaching the team in some capacity also? |
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Heard this somewhere
What's the difference between Penn State and the State Pen? Nothing, it's all the same in the showers. |
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in 1998 when Sandusky was accused of sexually abusing several boys. After an extensive investigation, which included testimony by two law enforcement officers that they had overheard Sandusky admitting to showering with multiple young boys, So you know Joe knew about the above, then one of his current staff members tell him he just saw the samething happen in the football team showers and all he does is tell the AD. Fuck Joe. He's a shitbag. |
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Sandusky tried to molest a 15 year-old at my local high school (and alma mater) in the summer of 2009 - the kid took it to the administration and they took it to LE immediately - as PSU should have done in 2002. That's how he was outed and the investigation started. How many victims were there from 2002 to 2009????? Central Mtn?. Wasnt he coaching the team in some capacity also? Yea, Central Mountains. I guess he was some kind of an volunteer assistant. Probably like being in an orchard for him. |
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Quoted: Everyone who knew about it and did not call the cops should be fired. Today. Joe let the guy continue to use the facilites knowing the guy raped a child in the team showers. Yep. Damn shame to see a storied career end like this, but he deserves it and deserves to have his reputation tarnished. |
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Quoted: I think that the folks calling for Joe's head are acting on emotion and not reason. Joe didn't molest anyone. Joe was informed of misbehavior on one occasion, and he reported it immediately. Could he have done more? Probably. Would you? Are you sure? How many of you have had a buddy commit suicide or an acquaintance/friend/co-worker/family member accused of sexual abuse? Nearly everybody has. In hindsight, you second guess everything. Could I have done something that would have saved my suicidal cousin's life? Was so-and-so's behavior at that company picnic creepier than I thought at the time? It's easy to second guess somebody else's decisions after the fact. I don't blame Joe for Sandusky's behavior. You're known by the company you keep. The company I keep, hasn't been accused of anything like that. |
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Sandusky tried to molest a 15 year-old at my local high school (and alma mater) in the summer of 2009 - the kid took it to the administration and they took it to LE immediately - as PSU should have done in 2002. That's how he was outed and the investigation started. How many victims were there from 2002 to 2009????? Central Mtn?. Wasnt he coaching the team in some capacity also? Yea, Central Mountains. I guess he was some kind of an volunteer assistant. Spoonfed more kids to prey upon Im sure PSU was forthcoming with the CM school district about allegations involving Sanduskys conduct while a Univ. employee It just keeps getting better |
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he will resign due to his own disgrace in the matter |
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He has to go. Sandusky was allowed to hold overnight football camps on the campus for nearly ten years after a graduate assistant (who is a current coach) saw him rape a 10 year old on campus? Inexcusable. This. The school will lose its ass in lawsuits just like the Catholic church protecting pedophile priests and not reporting rapes to the police. Paterno is a sick piece of shit. |
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Why would so many want to protect this shitbag? I just don't get it. What good could come of it by not going to the police?
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Why would so many want to protect this shitbag? I just don't get it. What good could come of it by not going to the police? Sandusky was Paterno's right hand man and reason Paterno won so many football games. Could you imagine having a longtime, storied coach associated with your university accused of molesting children? Football is king at Penn State (and some other schools) |
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Why would so many want to protect this shitbag? I just don't get it. What good could come of it by not going to the police? Sandusky was Paterno's right hand man and reason Paterno won so many football games. Could you imagine having a longtime, storied coach associated with your university accused of molesting children? Football is king at Penn State (and some other schools) Well this time it didn't work out so well for them. |
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I think that the folks calling for Joe's head are acting on emotion and not reason. Joe didn't molest anyone. Joe was informed of misbehavior on one occasion, and he reported it immediately. Could he have done more? Probably. Would you? Are you sure? How many of you have had a buddy commit suicide or an acquaintance/friend/co-worker/family member accused of sexual abuse? Nearly everybody has. In hindsight, you second guess everything. Could I have done something that would have saved my suicidal cousin's life? Was so-and-so's behavior at that company picnic creepier than I thought at the time? It's easy to second guess somebody else's decisions after the fact. I don't blame Joe for Sandusky's behavior. You're known by the company you keep. The company I keep, hasn't been accused of anything like that. Agreed. |
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in 1998 when Sandusky was accused of sexually abusing several boys. After an extensive investigation, which included testimony by two law enforcement officers that they had overheard Sandusky admitting to showering with multiple young boys, So you know Joe knew about the above, then one of his current staff members tell him he just saw the samething happen in the football team showers and all he does is tell the AD. Fuck Joe. He's a shitbag. Yep, I agree. He's a shitbag. There are some other really strange things about this whole situation also. I read the grand jury report and this is essentially how the 2002 shower rape thing played out, from what I understood: PSU Grad Assistant (GA) sees Sandusky anal raping a 10 year old kid in the locker room shower. He immediately runs out of the locker room and calls his dad (The report is a little ambiguous to me whether he called his own dad, or the kid's dad) Dad tells GA to come to his house immediately. After they discuss this, they decide they need to call Joe Paterno (JP). THE NEXT MORNING, GA calls JP and and tells him what he saw. THE NEXT DAY, JP calls the AD to his home and tells the AD that the GA reported seeing Sandusky doing something "of a sexual nature" to a 10 year old boy. 1.5 WEEKS later AD calls GA to a meeting and says they will "look into the matter" 2 WEEKS later AD tells GA that Sandusky's keys were taken away and the matter was reported to The Second Mile. At no time did police ever contact GA. There is so much WTF in this report I don't know where to begin. If this is really how it played out every single one of those fuckers should be charged with a crime! |
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I think that the folks calling for Joe's head are acting on emotion and not reason. Joe didn't molest anyone. Joe was informed of misbehavior on one occasion, and he reported it immediately. Could he have done more? Probably. Would you? Are you sure? How many of you have had a buddy commit suicide or an acquaintance/friend/co-worker/family member accused of sexual abuse? Nearly everybody has. In hindsight, you second guess everything. Could I have done something that would have saved my suicidal cousin's life? Was so-and-so's behavior at that company picnic creepier than I thought at the time? It's easy to second guess somebody else's decisions after the fact. I don't blame Joe for Sandusky's behavior. You're known by the company you keep. The company I keep, hasn't been accused of anything like that. Tom, I usually agree with almost everything you post....till now. Try and look at this on a more personal level. Let's say you have an uncle "Fred" whom you witness sodomizing one of your son's friends at a sleepover. You tell your father what you saw and he says he will handle it. He does NOT call the police and slaps "Fred" a couple of times and "Fred" promises to never rape young boys again. You still to not call the police because "someone else is handling it" with your stature. Time goes on and you find out 10 years later that "Fred" has raped 30 more boys since the incident you witnessed. What if one of those raped boys was your son or relative? |
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He's done. Contract is up. Alumni money will dry up if he doesnt go. He knew Sandusky was raping kids. Did nothing to report it to the authorites. Only reported it to the AD. He was trying to protect the program and it will fuck them all in the end(no pun intended)......Adios MF'er If this is true, he should be indicted, tried and imprisoned. Absolutely, if he knew and looked the other way, he's just as guilty. Couldn't agree more. Both he and the assistant who reported it (who is the WR coach now I believe) knew what was going on and were content to let it lie with a token statement to the AD. I'm still trying to figure out how that works. "Hey JoPa, coach S is feeling up a little kid in the shower" JoPa: "Hmmmm you woke me from my nap for this? Ok, I'll leave a voicemail for the AD later." "Ok, works for me... I gotta go get some lunch." If I walked into the showers and saw somebody (anybody) getting it on with a little kid one or both of us would leave the scene in an ambulance. |
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As soon as he gets out on bail..he needs to go to his basement and hang himself...justice will be served and it wont drag on in courts.
Unfortunately he's a arrogant POS and will proclaim his innocence till the end probably. |
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1969 - Jerry Sandusky starts his coaching career at Penn State University as a defensive line coach. 1977 - Jerry Sandusky founds The Second Mile. It begins as a group foster home dedicated to helping troubled boys and grows into a charity dedicated to helping children with absent or dysfunctional families. January 1983 - Associated Press voters select Penn State as college football's national champion for the 1982 season. January 1987 - Associated Press voters select Penn State as college football's national champion for the 1986 season. 1994 - Boy known as Victim 7 in the report meets Sandusky through The Second Mile program at about the age of 10. 1994-95 - Boy known as Victim 6 meets Sandusky at a Second Mile picnic at Spring Creek Park when he is 7 or 8 years old. 1995-96 - Boy known as Victim 5, meets Sandusky through The Second Mile when he is 7 or 8, in second or third grade. 1996-97 - Boy known as Victim 4, at the age of 12 or 13, meets Sandusky while he is in his second year participating in The Second Mile program. 1996-98 - Victim 5 is taken to the locker rooms and showers at Penn State by Sandusky when he is 8 to 10 years old. Jan. 1, 1998 - Victim 4 is listed, along with Sandusky's wife, as a member of Sandusky's family party for the 1998 Outback Bowl. 1998 - Victim 6 is taken into the locker rooms and showers when he is 11 years old. When Victim 6 is dropped off at home, his hair is wet from showering with Sandusky. His mother reports the incident to the university police, who investigate. Detective Ronald Schreffler testifies that he and State College Police Department Detective Ralph Ralston, with the consent of the mother of Victim 6, eavesdrop on two conversations the mother of Victim 6 has with Sandusky. Sandusky says he has showered with other boys and Victim 6's mother tries to make Sandusky promise never to shower with a boy again but he will not. At the end of the second conversation, after Sandusky is told he cannot see Victim 6 anymore, Schreffler testifies Sandusky says, "I understand. I was wrong. I wish I could get forgiveness. I know I won't get it from you. I wish I were dead." Jerry Lauro, an investigator with the Pennsylvania Department of Public Welfare, testifies he and Schreffler interviewed Sandusky, and that Sandusky admits showering naked with Victim 6, admits to hugging Victim 6 while in the shower and admits that it was wrong. The case is closed after then-Centre County District Attorney Ray Gricar decides there will be no criminal charge. June 1999 - Sandusky retires from Penn State but still holds emeritus status. Dec. 28, 1999 - Victim 4 is listed, along with Sandusky's wife, as a member of Sandusky's family party for the 1999 Alamo Bowl. Summer 2000 - Boy known as Victim 3 meets Sandusky through The Second Mile when he is between seventh and eighth grade. Fall 2000 - A janitor named James Calhoun observes Sandusky in the showers of the Lasch Football Building with a young boy, known as Victim 8, pinned up against the wall, performing oral sex on the boy. He tells other janitorial staff immediately. Fellow Office of Physical Plant employee Ronald Petrosky cleans the showers at Lasch and sees Sandusky and the boy, who he describes as being between the ages of 11 and 13. Calhoun tells other physical plant employees what he saw, including Jay Witherite, his immediate supervisor. Witherite tells him to whom he should report the incident. Calhoun was a temporary employee and never makes a report. Victim 8's identity is unknown. March 1, 2002 - A Penn State graduate assistant enters the locker room at the Lasch Football Building. In the showers, he sees a naked boy, known as Victim 2, whose age he estimates to be 10 years old, being subjected to anal intercourse by a naked Sandusky. The graduate assistant tells his father immediately. March 2, 2002 - In the morning, the graduate assistant calls Coach Joe Paterno and goes to Paterno's home, where he reports what he has seen. March 3, 2002 - Paterno calls Tim Curley, Penn State Athletic Director to his home the next day and reports a version of what the grad assistant had said. March 2002 - Later in the month the graduate assistant is called to a meeting with Curley and Senior Vice President for Finance and Business Gary Schultz. The grad assistant reports what he has seen and Curley and Schultz say they will look into it. March 27, 2002 (approximate) - The graduate assistant hears from Curley. He is told that Sandusky's locker room keys are taken away and that the incident has been reported to The Second Mile. The graduate assistant is never questioned by university police and no other entity conducts an investigation until the graduate assistant testifies in Grand Jury in December 2010. 2005-2006 - Boy known as Victim 1 says that meets Sandusky through The Second Mile at age 11 or 12. Spring 2007 - During the 2007 track season, Sandusky begins spending time with Victim 1 weekly, having him stay overnight at his residence in College Township, Pa. Spring 2008 - Termination of contact with Victim 1 occurs when he is a freshman in a Clinton County high school. After the boy's mother calls the school to report sexual assault, Sandusky is barred from the school district attended by Victim 1 from that day forward and the matter is reported to authorities as mandated by law. Early 2009 - An investigation by the Pennsylvania attorney general begins when a Clinton County, Pa. teen boy tells authorities that Sandusky has inappropriately touched him several times over a four-year period. September 2010 - Sandusky retires from day-to-day involvement with The Second Mile, saying he wants to spend more time with family and handle personal matters. Nov. 5, 2011 - Sandusky is arrested and released on $100,000 bail after being arraigned on 40 criminal counts. Nov. 7, 2011 - Pennsylvania Attorney General Linda Kelly says Paterno is not a target of the investigation into how the school handled the accusations. But she refuses to say the same for university President Graham Spanier. Curley and Schultz, who have stepped down from their positions, surrender on charges that they failed to alert police to complaints against Sandusky. |
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in 1998 when Sandusky was accused of sexually abusing several boys. After an extensive investigation, which included testimony by two law enforcement officers that they had overheard Sandusky admitting to showering with multiple young boys, So you know Joe knew about the above, then one of his current staff members tell him he just saw the samething happen in the football team showers and all he does is tell the AD. Fuck Joe. He's a shitbag. Yep, I agree. He's a shitbag. There are some other really strange things about this whole situation also. I read the grand jury report and this is essentially how the 2002 shower rape thing played out, from what I understood: PSU Grad Assistant (GA) sees Sandusky anal raping a 10 year old kid in the locker room shower. He immediately runs out of the locker room and calls his dad (The report is a little ambiguous to me whether he called his own dad, or the kid's dad) Dad tells GA to come to his house immediately. After they discuss this, they decide they need to call Joe Paterno (JP). THE NEXT MORNING, GA calls JP and and tells him what he saw. THE NEXT DAY, JP calls the AD to his home and tells the AD that the GA reported seeing Sandusky doing something "of a sexual nature" to a 10 year old boy. 1.5 WEEKS later AD calls GA to a meeting and says they will "look into the matter" 2 WEEKS later AD tells GA that Sandusky's keys were taken away and the matter was reported to The Second Mile. At no time did police ever contact GA. There is so much WTF in this report I don't know where to begin. If this is really how it played out every single one of those fuckers should be charged with a crime! I can't wrap my mind around seeing that happen, not stopping it and not calling the police right fucking then. So was there a culture of if you see Uncle Sandy in the showers fucking a kid just let Uncle Joe know? Who in their right mind would think this Ok? What kind of person see's that and doesn't call 911? |
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I agree that Joe will have to leave because of this.
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I agree that Joe will have to leave because of this. The only question is whether or not he resigns or is forced out. He's been there too long to quit. He believes normal rules don't apply to him. He will have to be forced out, and even then I would bet he hires a lawyer to fight it. |
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Guys, it is Mike McQueary who's the grad assistant that saw Sandusky buggering a little boy.
McQueary is not a small guy. Not a linebacker, but definitely a capable looking guy. The gif above of someone administering a beatdown is what McQueary should have done the moment he saw what Sandusky was doing. Don't tell me that would have got him in trouble for assault - look what Sandusky was doing at the time. It would have been plain and simple rescuing an endangered child from a rapist. After beating Sandusky either to death, or a micron away from death, McQueary should have called the police. Not his daddy. Not his coach. McQueary's dad is not in law enforecement. He runs a picture framing shop about 5 miles from campus. Paterno is not law enforcement. This was a rape, and by telling no one but Paterno, and then Paterno telling no one but the school administration, this was bound to get swept under the rug, which it was. As already stated here by others, everyone that knew of this and saw that Sandusky was remaining at liberty to continue raping, is a hair's breadth away from being equally as guilty as Sandusky for what happened to every child after McQueary saw him. I don't care if District Attorney Gricar decided not to prosecute this, McQueary at that point should have gone to the State Attorney General's Office, or to the media. McQueary was a shitbag before his involvement in this scandal came to light, and this only proves that we were even more correct about him than we even knew. Incidentally, he just purchased a quarter million dollar home in this area, so don't think for a second that he wasn't intentionally protecting his own income and employment by keeping a low profile all these years. I have to wonder if he made a deal with the prosecutors in this case to testify in exchange for immunity? It would be just like him to do such a thing. |
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http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7205085/growing-penn-state
The kids from the neighborhood would gather to play basketball in my driveway, not because I was particularly popular, but because we had a good hoop. In high school, we engaged in epic pick-up football games in Sunset Park, a little patch of grass right next to a house owned by Joe and Sue Paterno. In the second grade, my Little League coach was an enormous neighbor of ours named Mr. McQueary, and his son Mike was the best player on our team.1 We went to school at Park Forest Junior High, and then we went to State College High School, where we learned how to drive and how to date and how to do quadratic equations. We were the sons of farmers and college professors and football coaches. One of my brother's classmates was named Sandusky; one of my classmates was named Sandusky, too.2 I goofed off in the back of Latin class with a kid named Scott Paterno.3 We knew who their fathers were; their fathers were royalty to us, even if we acted like it was no big deal. Our football team's nickname was the Little Lions. There was no way to extricate the happenings at our school from the happenings at the university, and the happenings at the university always centered around football. Everything in State College — even the name of our town — was one all-encompassing, synergistic monolith, and Joe Paterno was our benevolent dictator, and nothing truly bad ever happened, and even when it did, it was easier just to blot it from our lives and move on.
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Sandusky should hang, the AD and the VP should be hung as well. Sick fucks.
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I can't wrap my mind around seeing that happen, not stopping it and not calling the police right fucking then. RIGHT?...or calling them to report the motherfucker's painful demise. Look, if I saw something like this and just reported it to my boss, then continued to work beside the perpetrator? You can feel free to hit me in the face with a shovel...full swing, edge on. |
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If Paterno did as little as they said he did, he should hang as well, as should Mcquery. If you report this to the AD, nothing happens, and you just shrug and move on you're protecting a child molester.
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