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Posted: 10/22/2011 11:47:06 PM EDT
"Christopher Ochoa, a 20-year-old from French Camp, Calif., and a friend were hiking through a field in Western Oregon on the way to Silver Creek Falls Park on Friday evening.
Ochoa was wearing dark-colored clothing when an Oregon man hunting for bear with his 12-year-old grandson saw something moving in the brush and fired one shot from a .270-caliber rifle, striking Ochoa, the Marion County Sheriff's Office said." http://news.yahoo.com/sheriff-hiker-mistakenly-shot-ore-bear-hunter-192316549.html Jeez... killed one & traumatized another for life. Way to go asshole! 
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Posted: 10/22/2011 11:49:17 PM EDT
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Have fun spending the rest of your life in jail.... jackass.
"Sound" shooters are fucking jackasses. |
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Posted: 10/22/2011 11:51:09 PM EDT
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Since when does "hunter" automatically equal "fudd"? It seems like some people that are anti-hunting have hijacked the term.
The correct term in this case would be "dumbass". |
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Posted: 10/22/2011 11:52:47 PM EDT
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big fuckin' "oops' gramps! RIP Marine
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Posted: 10/22/2011 11:55:55 PM EDT
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This is probably a reason why in my County, it's shotgun only for hunting with a gun. Because you got so many fucking idiots out there hunting and accidentally shooting or shooting at people.
I would never go for a hike in the woods during hunting season, at least without wearing bright orange. |
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Posted: 10/22/2011 11:56:01 PM EDT
[#5]
I really hope the DA fucking hammers that guy.
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Posted: 10/23/2011 12:06:59 AM EDT
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Since when does "hunter" automatically equal "fudd"? It seems like some people that are anti-hunting have hijacked the term. The correct term in this case would be "dumbass". And Elmer Fudd is a dumbass. Any hilljack that simply hears something in the brush and shoots without IDing his target rates that term and worse in my opinion.
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Posted: 10/23/2011 12:09:30 AM EDT
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He should have got his grandson to safety and then blew his own fucking idiot brains out.
Maybe there is still time for him to just kill himself. |
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Posted: 10/23/2011 12:10:53 AM EDT
[#8]
Ok this proves it once and for all.270 is the shizzzznet for bear.
whata fucking dumb ass. |
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Posted: 10/23/2011 12:11:44 AM EDT
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A tragedy, certainly, though I'm a little confused. Is .270 generally considered a suitable calibre for bear?
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Posted: 10/23/2011 12:14:04 AM EDT
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CA just wait for even more gun legislation.
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Posted: 10/23/2011 12:26:14 AM EDT
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I must have missed the evidence for the hunter calling for any kind of weapons ban. Because that's what "Fudd" means: gun owners who support bans of scary looking rifles to save their hunting guns.
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Posted: 10/23/2011 12:34:08 AM EDT
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Quoted: A tragedy, certainly, though I'm a little confused. Is .270 generally considered a suitable calibre for bear? For black bear? Absolutely. |
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Posted: 10/23/2011 12:37:44 AM EDT
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Quoted: A tragedy, certainly, though I'm a little confused. Is .270 generally considered a suitable calibre for bear? Just fine for black bear, which is all that are on the west coast of the lower 48 With proper bullets it is just fine for elk |
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Posted: 10/23/2011 12:43:27 AM EDT
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CA just wait for even more gun legislation. Event didn't happen in California, it happened in Washington state. Probably won't stop them though. 
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Posted: 10/23/2011 1:01:06 AM EDT
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CA just wait for even more gun legislation. Event didn't happen in California, it happened in Washington state. Probably won't stop them though. It happened so far south in Washington, it was in Oregon.
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Posted: 10/23/2011 1:06:01 AM EDT
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Is it not fair to stay stupidity on both parts? Hunting season for bears..dark clothing...hiking randomly in the woods..gets shot? It sucks and the guy hunting needs to learn..well he lost that opportunity..but he should of learned to better figure out how to hunt and learn proper gun safety. Still, lack of intelligence was apparent on both sides from what I can tell.
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Posted: 10/23/2011 1:10:13 AM EDT
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Is it not fair to stay stupidity on both parts? Hunting season for bears..dark clothing...hiking randomly in the woods..gets shot? It sucks and the guy hunting needs to learn..well he lost that opportunity..but he should of learned to better figure out how to hunt and learn proper gun safety. Still, lack of intelligence was apparent on both sides from what I can tell. How so? As far as I can tell, a fucking moron shot at something "moving in the bushes" . |
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Posted: 10/23/2011 1:16:40 AM EDT
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Is it not fair to stay stupidity on both parts? Hunting season for bears..dark clothing...hiking randomly in the woods..gets shot? It sucks and the guy hunting needs to learn..well he lost that opportunity..but he should of learned to better figure out how to hunt and learn proper gun safety. Still, lack of intelligence was apparent on both sides from what I can tell. How so? As far as I can tell, a fucking moron shot at something "moving in the bushes" . Do I need to repeat myself? " Hunting season for bears..dark clothing...hiking randomly in the woods" Fucking morons will always exist, there are ways to lessen exposure to risk from said fucking morons by taking proper precautions, see what I'm saying? |
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Posted: 10/23/2011 1:25:33 AM EDT
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Is it not fair to stay stupidity on both parts? Hunting season for bears..dark clothing...hiking randomly in the woods..gets shot? It sucks and the guy hunting needs to learn..well he lost that opportunity..but he should of learned to better figure out how to hunt and learn proper gun safety. Still, lack of intelligence was apparent on both sides from what I can tell. Every hunter knows that other people use the woods for things other than hunting. ID is absolutely mandatory!! Last deer season I had a big deer coming in at a gallop, on the dirt road I always see them on, I had seen this big buck gallop down this dirt road more than once, I saw brown and a small amount of white coming through the trees 15 minutes after sunset. I could hear him blowing once in a while. I had the shotgun at low ready and safety on waiting for a positive ID.and followed him at a low ready waiting for the positive ID and a clear shot At 40 yards I got that positive ID of some asshat wearing brown and white jogging through the woods |
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Posted: 10/23/2011 1:27:40 AM EDT
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This is probably a reason why in my County, it's shotgun only for hunting with a gun. Because you got so many fucking idiots out there hunting and accidentally shooting or shooting at people. I would never go for a hike in the woods during hunting season, at least without wearing bright orange. Amen to that. |
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Posted: 10/23/2011 1:30:47 AM EDT
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The guy violated a rule of gun, he didn't positively identify the target.
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Posted: 10/23/2011 1:45:18 AM EDT
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Sad story all around.
They said on the news up here the shooter probably won't be charged, but the information was handed off to the DA. |
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Posted: 10/23/2011 2:08:10 AM EDT
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How the hell do you shoot at something moving in the brush!?!?!
You have people shooting just because they saw white or brown or something dark and they just shoot it!?????? The retardation is sickening. Life in prison even if there isn't a death! NO EXCUSE! Time for coffee. |
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Posted: 10/23/2011 2:31:12 AM EDT
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Quoted: Hunter pulled the trigger without positively ID'ing the game. Quoted: Quoted: Is it not fair to stay stupidity on both parts? Hunting season for bears..dark clothing...hiking randomly in the woods..gets shot? It sucks and the guy hunting needs to learn..well he lost that opportunity..but he should of learned to better figure out how to hunt and learn proper gun safety. Still, lack of intelligence was apparent on both sides from what I can tell. How so? As far as I can tell, a fucking moron shot at something "moving in the bushes" . Do I need to repeat myself? " Hunting season for bears..dark clothing...hiking randomly in the woods" Fucking morons will always exist, there are ways to lessen exposure to risk from said fucking morons by taking proper precautions, see what I'm saying? |
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Posted: 10/23/2011 2:37:12 AM EDT
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This is probably a reason why in my County, it's shotgun only for hunting with a gun. Because you got so many fucking idiots out there hunting and accidentally shooting or shooting at people. I would never go for a hike in the woods during hunting season, at least without wearing bright orange. He would have killed him with a 12ga slug just as well, probably.. The guy is a murdering moron for shooting at a sound, and breaking rule number 4 |
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Posted: 10/23/2011 2:45:49 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/23/2011 3:01:33 AM EDT
[#27]
A guy deer hunting here shot another guy fly fishing. The shooter was sent away for many years, and the guy in Oregon should be too.
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Posted: 10/23/2011 3:03:47 AM EDT
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Those stupid fucks that shoot at sounds or movement have no business having guns or hunting in the first place. If you prove yourself that fucking dense, then we don't need you here on our big spinny thing.
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Posted: 10/23/2011 3:13:06 AM EDT
[#29]
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This is probably a reason why in my County, it's shotgun only for hunting with a gun. Because you got so many fucking idiots out there hunting and accidentally shooting or shooting at people. I would never go for a hike in the woods during hunting season, at least without wearing bright orange. In Alabama it's required to wear a certain amount of bright orange in the woods if you are moving any distance during any of the hunting seasons. Don't, and you can get a pricy ticket and escorted out of the woods by a possum cop. And if you aren't wearing orange and get shot, you could be found at fault for the shooting. |
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Posted: 10/23/2011 3:31:36 AM EDT
[#30]
Two lives shattered, the friend of the dead Marine and the 12 year old grandson, wonder how this will effect him for life?
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Posted: 10/23/2011 3:42:46 AM EDT
[#31]
It's a damn shame, but accidents of this sort aren't too uncommon during hunting seasons. There's a lot of yahoos in the woods with high-powered rifles when gun season starts.
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Posted: 10/23/2011 4:33:01 AM EDT
[#32]
Quoted: Is it not fair to stay stupidity on both parts? Hunting season for bears..dark clothing...hiking randomly in the woods..gets shot? It sucks and the guy hunting needs to learn..well he lost that opportunity..but he should of learned to better figure out how to hunt and learn proper gun safety. Still, lack of intelligence was apparent on both sides from what I can tell. I understand what you're saying, but the fault for this lies squarely on the shoulders of the one who pulled the trigger. |
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Posted: 10/23/2011 4:37:10 AM EDT
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Since when does "hunter" automatically equal "fudd"? It seems like some people that are anti-hunting have hijacked the term. The correct term in this case would be "dumbass". Fudds are stupid hunters. Some hunters are Fudds Most hunters are not Fudds. Fudds are the idiots that think the RKBA is all about hunting and will cheerfully throw us under the bus to keep their hunting guns. |
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Posted: 10/23/2011 4:38:17 AM EDT
[#34]
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This is probably a reason why in my County, it's shotgun only for hunting with a gun. Because you got so many fucking idiots out there hunting and accidentally shooting or shooting at people. I would never go for a hike in the woods during hunting season, at least without wearing bright orange. Absolutely. |
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Posted: 10/23/2011 4:40:13 AM EDT
[#35]
why no hunter orange? Does Oregon not require orange? I would never be in the woods in fall without checking if it is hunting season in that area. Orange is a must.
I agree, not a hunter fudd, a dumbass fudd. |
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Posted: 10/23/2011 4:42:02 AM EDT
[#36]
Quoted: Since when does "hunter" automatically equal "fudd"? It seems like some people that are anti-hunting have hijacked the term. The correct term in this case would be "dumbass". Elmer Fudd was a dumbass. Thus this guy is a Fudd 100%. |
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Posted: 10/23/2011 4:42:48 AM EDT
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This is probably a reason why in my County, it's shotgun only for hunting with a gun. Because you got so many fucking idiots out there hunting and accidentally shooting or shooting at people. I would never go for a hike in the woods during hunting season, at least without wearing bright orange. In Alabama it's required to wear a certain amount of bright orange in the woods if you are moving any distance during any of the hunting seasons. Don't, and you can get a pricy ticket and escorted out of the woods by a possum cop. And if you aren't wearing orange and get shot, you could be found at fault for the shooting. Most, if not all states make the wearing of fluorescent orange clothing mandatory during any big game hunting season whether you are actually hunting or not. This is why the guy won't be charged. |
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Posted: 10/23/2011 4:43:25 AM EDT
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Actually, gun accidents have been going down for years.
http://www.sooeveningnews.com/news/x664190765/No-hunter-deaths-during-Mich-deer-firearm-season As the 2009 hunting season winds down, the Department of Natural Resources reports that the Nov. 15-30 firearm season was the safest on record in Michigan with no fatalities. Only one hunting fatality — during the spring turkey season — was reported the entire 2009 hunting season, DNR Law Enforcement Division records show. “Michigan has seen a continued drop in hunter casualty incidents since implementation of mandatory hunter education and mandatory hunter orange laws,” said Sgt. Jon Wood, program supervisor for the DNR’s Hunter Education Program. The 2009 hunting season recorded 12 hunting-related accidents, and just one fatality. In 2005, the DNR recorded 19 accidents with three fatalities; and in 2000, there were seven fatalities and 32 accidents. In 1950, the department recorded 25 fatalities and 190 accidents. Hunter safety training became mandatory for first-time hunters ages 12-16 in 1971; while wearing hunter orange became law in 1977. In 1970, there were 18 fatalities and 212 accidents. Ten years later, the number of fatalities dropped to nine, while the number of accidents decreased to 107. “Most of the credit goes to the nearly 3,000 Michigan volunteer Hunter Education instructors across the state,” Wood said. “Without their dedication and professionalism, the sport of hunting would not be as safe as it is now.” Another significant reason for the continued drop in fatalities and accidents is the active role Michigan conservation officers take in educating hunters in the classroom and in the field, said DNR Law Enforcement Chief Gary Hagler. http://badgerherald.com/news/2010/11/30/2nd_time_in_state_hi.php For only the second time in Wisconsin state history, no one was killed during gun deer season except for deer. The Wisconsin Department of Natural Resources announced Tuesday gun deer season was casualty-free for the first time since 1974. However, 12 people were injured, according to a DNR statement. Wisconsin typically has lower fatality rates than other states during the deer hunting season, said Bob Manwell, a DNR spokesperson. Over the past 10 years, the state has averaged 1.9 shooting deaths per year, while nationally the number is three per year, Manwell said. Manwell added a lot of credit goes to the thousands who volunteer to teach public gun safety courses. |
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Posted: 10/23/2011 4:44:01 AM EDT
[#39]
gandpa is a stupid fuck
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Posted: 10/23/2011 4:44:53 AM EDT
[#40]
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A tragedy, certainly, though I'm a little confused. Is .270 generally considered a suitable calibre for bear? For black bear yes, it will do the job. For browns, it's not recommended.I knew a guy who used a .270 on an Alaskan brown. He shot his gun empty, the bear charged and the guide finished it off. Combination of underpowered ans questionable shot placement(The taxidermist did a good job of hiding the bulletholes and the hunter wouldn't tell me where the bear was hit.) |
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Posted: 10/23/2011 4:49:09 AM EDT
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This is probably a reason why in my County, it's shotgun only for hunting with a gun. Because you got so many fucking idiots out there hunting and accidentally shooting or shooting at people. I would never go for a hike in the woods during hunting season, at least without wearing bright orange. In Alabama it's required to wear a certain amount of bright orange in the woods if you are moving any distance during any of the hunting seasons. Don't, and you can get a pricy ticket and escorted out of the woods by a possum cop. And if you aren't wearing orange and get shot, you could be found at fault for the shooting. Most, if not all states make the wearing of fluorescent orange clothing mandatory during any big game hunting season whether you are actually hunting or not. This is why the guy won't be charged. From what I can find IA doesn't. All I can find is orange is required while hunting deer or upland game. No gun or bow=not hunting. |
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Posted: 10/23/2011 4:51:27 AM EDT
[#42]
How in the hell does this crap happen?!?!?!
Do these idiots not LOOK at the fucking target? RIP Marine. |
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Posted: 10/23/2011 4:52:33 AM EDT
[#43]
This is the main reason that I don't hunt. I know enough "hunters" around here. Most are total idiots when it comes to safety.
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Posted: 10/23/2011 4:55:19 AM EDT
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You don't pull the trigger unless you know what you are shooting at and what is in front and behind of what your are shooting at. I was taught that, and understood it, as a little boy.
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Posted: 10/23/2011 4:57:26 AM EDT
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This does not look like a Marine. Lock him up forever.
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Posted: 10/23/2011 4:58:03 AM EDT
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Two lives shattered, the friend of the dead Marine and the 12 year old grandson, wonder how this will effect him for life? More than two, unless the dead guy and the hunter had no family or friends. All this, because someone couldn't have the patience to see what he was shooting at. The hiker is absolutely blameless. Sure, it would be a good idea to wear orange, but even then, if it isn't visible through brush you are STILL getting shot. It doesn't even make sense to shoot at something you can't see. All the effort and time is wasted if you miss and it runs away. Shitty hunter? check Shitty human? check Shitty result? check KNOW YOUR TARGET. So easy, yet so many people DON'T. |
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Posted: 10/23/2011 4:58:12 AM EDT
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This is the main reason that I don't hunt. I know enough "hunters" around here. Most are total idiots when it comes to safety. Do you ever drive a car? |
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Posted: 10/23/2011 4:58:57 AM EDT
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It's a damn shame, but accidents of this sort aren't too uncommon during hunting seasons. There's a lot of yahoos in the woods with high-powered rifles when gun season starts. It happens every year around here. |
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Posted: 10/23/2011 5:01:30 AM EDT
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why no hunter orange? Does Oregon not require orange? I would never be in the woods in fall without checking if it is hunting season in that area. Orange is a must. I agree, not a hunter fudd, a dumbass fudd. This. Two dumbasses in my opinion. One not wearing orange during hunting season and one shooting at anything that moves. |
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Posted: 10/23/2011 5:02:19 AM EDT
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Quoted: You don't pull the trigger unless you know what you are shooting at and what is in front and behind of what your are shooting at. I was taught that, and understood it, as a little boy. Absolutely. |
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