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Posted: 10/13/2011 9:55:51 AM EDT
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Good lord...how does someone expect to keep that many plants a secret? Wow.
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Posted: 10/13/2011 9:56:30 AM EDT
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So we just lowered GDP by half a billion dollars? "The system worked." |
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Posted: 10/13/2011 9:56:47 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/13/2011 9:57:07 AM EDT
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How do they know the plants would produce that much? It works out to roughly $1200 valuation per plant. Let's put the average yield per plant around 1 pound. 1lb of marijuana has a street value around $2500-4500 depending on quality level of purchase. So yeah, that number isn't just pulled out of thin air, it is actually rather conservative. You've been getting ripped off by your dealer. No shit, when I was younger if you paid over a k per pound, you got raped. 
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Posted: 10/13/2011 9:58:28 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: How do they know the plants would produce that much? It works out to roughly $1200 valuation per plant. Let's put the average yield per plant around 1 pound. 1lb of marijuana has a street value around $2500-4500 depending on quality and level of purchase. So yeah, that number isn't just pulled out of thin air, it is actually rather conservative. ETA: Grammar So now instead of buying some agriculturally minded potheads a big screen tv and a few nice cars it will now fund kidnappings, the killing of LEOs on both sides of the border, and more mercenary trigger pullers for the cartels. The same cartels Iran was going to pay to conduct an op in DC that would have resulted in US citizens dying. Sounds like we're going to need some more funding for law enforcement. |
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Posted: 10/13/2011 9:59:34 AM EDT
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Which drove up the price, made the product so expensive people were willing to kill over it and led to hundreds if not thousands of murders. All the while not doing a damn thing to lower the consumption of alcohol. |
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Posted: 10/13/2011 10:01:07 AM EDT
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I am sure it was for "personal use" -PC- It sure was, personal use of tens of thousands of smokers across the nation. 
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Posted: 10/13/2011 10:01:34 AM EDT
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How do they know the plants would produce that much? It works out to roughly $1200 valuation per plant. Let's put the average yield per plant around 1 pound. 1lb of marijuana has a street value around $2500-4500 depending on quality level of purchase. So yeah, that number isn't just pulled out of thin air, it is actually rather conservative. You've been getting ripped off by your dealer. Hardly. Please don't mistake a general understanding of a subject with partaking.  I was just kidding about you partaking. A value of $2500-4500 per pound of outdoor grown pot is not even close to reality though,closer to $700-800 per unless the whole amount was sold as dime bags. 1 pound per plant may be close to a reasonable yield but 16-20oz per would not be unlikely,I also doubt they had 362,000 female plants so you probably have to cut the usable amount by around half or more.
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Posted: 10/13/2011 10:01:44 AM EDT
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That's millions of dollars lost that could have potentially been put into the economy through Rimco, Aarons, and Frito Lay. There's a recession on here! Stop stifling the economy!!!! No shit, that money would've been used to stimulate the economy, like it or not. It would've been made tax free, and those drug dealers would've bought a lot of shit with it....new cars, new toys, etc. Even nefarious transactions stimulate the economy (especially domestic ones) because usually the second transaction downstream is a legitimate one.... |
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Posted: 10/13/2011 10:01:54 AM EDT
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Well if we got serious with druggies instead of electing them to the presidency (Clinton, GWBush, Obama...), there wouldn't be a demand and thus no cartel like activities
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Posted: 10/13/2011 10:02:34 AM EDT
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Good lord...how does someone expect to keep that many plants a secret? Wow. Well, first it apparently put quite a few people to work judging by the barracks, showers, and other ammenities at the site. Who wants to lose a good paying job? Second, there's that whole concern about not waking up the next morning. The guy that dropped the dime was a local. |
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Posted: 10/13/2011 10:03:32 AM EDT
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Well if we got serious with druggies instead of electing them to the presidency (Clinton, GWBush, Obama...), there wouldn't be a demand and thus no cartel like activities I'm not sure if you're serious... |
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Posted: 10/13/2011 10:03:34 AM EDT
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How do they know the plants would produce that much? It works out to roughly $1200 valuation per plant. Let's put the average yield per plant around 1 pound. 1lb of marijuana has a street value around $2500-4500 depending on quality level of purchase. So yeah, that number isn't just pulled out of thin air, it is actually rather conservative. You've been getting ripped off by your dealer. ass raping is more like it.....especially for shit weed like this stuff was. |
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Posted: 10/13/2011 10:04:23 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Good lord...how does someone expect to keep that many plants a secret? Wow. Well, first it apparently put quite a few people to work judging by the barracks, showers, and other ammenities at the site. Who wants to lose a good paying job? Second, there's that whole concern about not waking up the next morning. The guy that dropped the dime was a local. Wonder what his reward was. |
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Posted: 10/13/2011 10:05:17 AM EDT
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Well if we got serious with druggies instead of electing them to the presidency (Clinton, GWBush, Obama...), there wouldn't be a demand and thus no cartel like activities I hate to be cliche' but  .
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Posted: 10/13/2011 10:05:59 AM EDT
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Quoted: Well if we got serious with druggies instead of electing them to the presidency (Clinton, GWBush, Obama...), there wouldn't be a demand and thus no cartel like activities Economics says otherwise. "Getting serious" just gets you more dead cops and spawns drug cartels. The WOD is what created the cartels in the first place. Now the DEA and ATF are arming them and terrorist states are planning on using them as special ops for hits inside the US. ETA: Oh, and it fills your court system with drug cases of those dumb enough to get caught, causes prison overcrowding, and let real criminals walk.
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Posted: 10/13/2011 10:06:11 AM EDT
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Good lord...how does someone expect to keep that many plants a secret? Wow. Well, first it apparently put quite a few people to work judging by the barracks, showers, and other ammenities at the site. Who wants to lose a good paying job? Second, there's that whole concern about not waking up the next morning. The guy that dropped the dime was a local. Wonder what his reward was. He probably got promoted from LEO bitch to paid LEO bitch. |
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Posted: 10/13/2011 10:06:39 AM EDT
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How do they know the plants would produce that much? It works out to roughly $1200 valuation per plant. Let's put the average yield per plant around 1 pound. 1lb of marijuana has a street value around $2500-4500 depending on quality level of purchase. So yeah, that number isn't just pulled out of thin air, it is actually rather conservative. You've been getting ripped off by your dealer. Haha. I always laugh at those beefed-up street values. With that size of an operation, they're not selling it by the pound and as with anything else when you buy in quantity, you save money. I'd also think that an outdoor operation that size, they're not growing "tier 1" stuff, thus the value would be even lower. Chop those figures down by 75% and you're probably more in the ballpark. |
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Posted: 10/13/2011 10:07:38 AM EDT
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^^^ Wasn't serious....
I was watching the history channel, back around the temperance movement people were so against alcohol, but had no problem putting cocaine on everything from lip balm to Coca Cola. Odd how people think one drug is ok, and another is blasphemy. |
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Posted: 10/13/2011 10:08:08 AM EDT
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Good lord...how does someone expect to keep that many plants a secret? Wow. Well, first it apparently put quite a few people to work judging by the barracks, showers, and other ammenities at the site. Who wants to lose a good paying job? Second, there's that whole concern about not waking up the next morning. The guy that dropped the dime was a local. Wonder what his reward was. a quick trip to visit the U.S. Marshals office to get a new name |
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Posted: 10/13/2011 10:08:11 AM EDT
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Wow, I feel safer! Just think what might have happened if this operation hadn't been busted... people might have smoked that pot!
Crisis averted! |
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Posted: 10/13/2011 10:09:13 AM EDT
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I feel safer. Do you know what life is like in San Fransisco County? lol |
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Posted: 10/13/2011 10:09:50 AM EDT
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Quoted: Even if you were not serious, a lot of people are. ^^^ Wasn't serious.... I was watching the history channel, back around the temperance movement people were so against alcohol, but had no problem putting cocaine on everything from lip balm to Coca Cola. Odd how people think one drug is ok, and another is blasphemy.  Solutions with no research into the problem are doomed to fail. |
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Posted: 10/13/2011 10:11:43 AM EDT
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Well if we got serious with druggies instead of electing them to the presidency (Clinton, GWBush, Obama...), there wouldn't be a demand and thus no cartel like activities I'm not sure if you're serious... Sadly, he probably is. Most of the anti-drug folks treat the stance like a religion. No amount of rational explanation or reason will change their thinking that the only reason people in this country do drugs is because we aren't "doing enough" to stop them. The hundreds of billions of dollars spent and shredding of the Constitutional rights of the citizenry in a vain attempt to make it easier to jail users and dealers not withstanding. ETA: I see the poster wasn't serious, my statement still stands about the others. |
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Posted: 10/13/2011 10:12:06 AM EDT
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That's a lot of pot. "That's a lot of hooch"! 
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Posted: 10/13/2011 10:12:18 AM EDT
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This will surely be a decisive blow to the illicit marijuana trade
wait, i mean no one will notice |
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Posted: 10/13/2011 10:17:07 AM EDT
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This will surely be a decisive blow to the illicit marijuana trade wait, i mean no one will notice
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Posted: 10/13/2011 10:17:57 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/13/2011 10:18:45 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: How do they know the plants would produce that much? It works out to roughly $1200 valuation per plant. Let's put the average yield per plant around 1 pound. 1lb of marijuana has a street value around $2500-4500 depending on quality and level of purchase. So yeah, that number isn't just pulled out of thin air, it is actually rather conservative. ETA: Grammar  What are you smoking? |
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Posted: 10/13/2011 10:19:06 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: That is a lot of plants. I wonder how many acres that covered? Rough estimates are the operation was spread out over ~5 miles. I know the area where the fields were. Very rural and unserved by paved roads. Great whitetail hunting to be had. Them deer won't be near as docile now. |
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Posted: 10/13/2011 10:24:39 AM EDT
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Quoted: 1 pound per plant may be close to a reasonable yield but 16-20oz per would not be unlikely Huh? Try one ounce per plant. You may not be aware, but the entire stem, root ball, leaves, is all trash. You don't count the whole motherfucker as "weed", despite the plant itself weighing 20oz. It's only the buds, and once trimmed, you net about one ounce. You can certainly do better under ideal conditions, such as hydroponic labs and such, but this is just a big fuckin' field. |
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Posted: 10/13/2011 10:26:44 AM EDT
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1 pound per plant may be close to a reasonable yield but 16-20oz per would not be unlikely Huh? Try one ounce per plant. You may not be aware, but the entire stem, root ball, leaves, is all trash. You don't count the whole motherfucker as "weed", despite the plant itself weighing 20oz. It's only the buds, and once trimmed, you net about one ounce. You can certainly do better under ideal conditions, such as hydroponic labs and such, but this is just a big fuckin' field. ....and if they had hundreds of thousands of plants, they were probably crammed close together, where they won't produce as much anyway. |
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Posted: 10/13/2011 10:29:10 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: 1 pound per plant may be close to a reasonable yield but 16-20oz per would not be unlikely Huh? Try one ounce per plant. You may not be aware, but the entire stem, root ball, leaves, is all trash. You don't count the whole motherfucker as "weed", despite the plant itself weighing 20oz. It's only the buds, and once trimmed, you net about one ounce. You can certainly do better under ideal conditions, such as hydroponic labs and such, but this is just a big fuckin' field. ....and if they had hundreds of thousands of plants, they were probably crammed close together, where they won't produce as much anyway. Right, root space is an issue, as is weather conditions, fertilization or lack thereof, rainfall and water supply... Lots of variables. And if they didn't sex all those plants, one hell of a lot of seedy garbage as a result. |
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Posted: 10/13/2011 10:33:07 AM EDT
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Doomed to repeat every single mistake of our past. |
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Posted: 10/13/2011 10:33:30 AM EDT
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Well if we got serious with druggies instead of electing them to the presidency (Clinton, GWBush, Obama...), there wouldn't be a demand and thus no cartel like activities Yeah, because prohibition has worked SOOO well in each instance that they were used. Alcohol: repealed Opiates: yeah, even steep penalites (felonies) and harsh law enforcement interdiction is working so well and costing sooo little money Pot: yeah, just read the OP Others: read "opiates" unless you are talking about LSD which has the harshest penalty of them all, ironically Should I continue? People use the stuff even though the market is fraught with danger on both sides, highly expensive, and difficult to procure. One offense and a person's life can be forever altered. Yet people STILL partake. How heavy handed do we need to be before we understand that prohibition damages more lives than does the existence and use of a substance. Just because something is legal does not mean that people are going to all of a sudden flock to it and use if they wouldn't have previously. Furthermore, what's the difference? So what if you let people ruin their lives with a drug, or we ruin their lives for them because they used a drug. The outcome and penalty are the same, but one carries a much higher cost than the other. Hell, we can make money off of the tax if we were smart. If we don't spend money fighting it, the black market would dry up, and since people would no longer be punished, they could more openly seek help without fear of retribution. |
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Posted: 10/13/2011 10:34:17 AM EDT
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How do they know the plants would produce that much? It works out to roughly $1200 valuation per plant. Let's put the average yield per plant around 1 pound. 1lb of marijuana has a street value around $2500-4500 depending on quality level of purchase. So yeah, that number isn't just pulled out of thin air, it is actually rather conservative. You've been getting ripped off by your dealer. Hardly. Please don't mistake a general understanding of a subject with partaking. I was just kidding about you partaking. A value of $2500-4500 per pound of outdoor grown pot is not even close to reality though,closer to $700-800 per unless the whole amount was sold as dime bags. 1 pound per plant may be close to a reasonable yield but 16-20oz per would not be unlikely,I also doubt they had 362,000 female plants so you probably have to cut the usable amount by around half or more.I'm sorry guys, I missed that part of the article (and I guess the whole part about helicopters) I was applying premium pricing to premium bud. Not this generic outdoor stuff as it seems to be. Disregard everything I've said. I'm retarded. You wouldn't grow male plants past budding, let alone get to the point of harvest. At least, that's my understanding. |
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Posted: 10/13/2011 10:34:58 AM EDT
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How do they know the plants would produce that much? It works out to roughly $1200 valuation per plant. Let's put the average yield per plant around 1 pound. 1lb of marijuana has a street value around $2500-4500 depending on quality and level of purchase. So yeah, that number isn't just pulled out of thin air, it is actually rather conservative. ETA: Grammar
What are you smoking? dude......you know the stalk and stems get weighed in there too. i guess cops think the whole plant is used. this is why the WOD will never work, cops don't know shit about their enemy(drugs)......they just get told "Weed is bad.......mmmkay" they constantly over inflate what they sieze and come up with these totally unrealistic $$$ amounts......
ETA: and no, I'm not trying to bash any cops or anyone else here.....this topic is just too funny to not poke it with a sharp stick |
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Posted: 10/13/2011 10:37:36 AM EDT
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Quoted: The red doesn't square up with the blue. When you make a hypothetical supposition, you're pulling stuff out of thin air. Your low figure is more than $150/oz.Quoted: How do they know the plants would produce that much? It works out to roughly $1200 valuation per plant. Let's put the average yield per plant around 1 pound. 1lb of marijuana has a street value around $2500-4500 depending on quality and level of purchase. So yeah, that number isn't just pulled out of thin air, it is actually rather conservative. ETA: Grammar |
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Posted: 10/13/2011 10:46:56 AM EDT
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362,000 plants! Holy shit, that is enough weed to kill no one!
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Posted: 10/13/2011 10:47:33 AM EDT
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Quoted: dude......you know the stalk and stems get weighed in there too. i guess cops think the whole plant is used. Given ideal conditions, the interwebs tells me you can theoretically see 7oz per plant outdoors, and 3.5oz indoors. Now the source didn't say whether that's wet or dry. Compare a fresh rose to a dried rose, big difference. It also didn't state whether that accounts for seeds, and seeds account for a lot of weight. Good weed doesn't have seeds. I think the best you could expect to see from an op of this scale would be 3oz per plant. Just because I don't expect they're doing soil tests, setting up proper irrigation, providing maximum spacing between plants, etc. I think 1oz each is more likely in a quickly rigged up clandestine operation that probably isn't properly tended to. |
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Posted: 10/13/2011 11:27:02 AM EDT
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Is that all? Damn.
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Posted: 10/13/2011 11:32:45 AM EDT
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Good lord...how does someone expect to keep that many plants a secret? Wow. Well, first it apparently put quite a few people to work judging by the barracks, showers, and other ammenities at the site. Who wants to lose a good paying job? Second, there's that whole concern about not waking up the next morning. The guy that dropped the dime was a local. Wonder what his reward was. a quick trip to visit the U.S. Marshals office to get a new name To be honest, until this is all sorted out I can't really disclose anything pertaining to the informant. I will say this, the person's friends have loose lips. And yes, if he doesn't end up in a shallow grave somewhere I think lots of folks would be very surprised. This wasn't your everyday hippy grow op obviously. |
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Posted: 10/13/2011 11:34:07 AM EDT
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That is a lot of plants. I wonder how many acres that covered? Rough estimates are the operation was spread out over ~5 miles. I know the area where the fields were. Very rural and unserved by paved roads. Great whitetail hunting to be had. Them deer won't be near as docile now. 
Killin' and murderin' to feed their pot addiction. I can see it now. Woods won't be safe for anybody. |
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Posted: 10/13/2011 11:35:49 AM EDT
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Sure does seem like if it really was "worth" $434 mil that could be money well used in our economy. Oh wait.......
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Posted: 10/13/2011 11:37:51 AM EDT
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That is a lot of plants. I wonder how many acres that covered? Rough estimates are the operation was spread out over ~5 miles. I know the area where the fields were. Very rural and unserved by paved roads. Great whitetail hunting to be had. Them deer won't be near as docile now.
Killin' and murderin' to feed their pot addiction. I can see it now. Woods won't be safe for anybody. I saw a dead deer in a pot field once, the needle full of marijuana was still in his arm. |
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Posted: 10/13/2011 11:38:14 AM EDT
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Quoted: Sure does seem like if it really was "worth" $434 mil that could be money well used in our economy. Oh wait....... Meh, it's apparently been a slow year... The Kentucky eradication program’s results were reported in an Associated Press wire report on November 25, 2006 by the Lexington Herald-Leader: "Police cut and burned 557,276 plants this year, up nearly 50,000 from the 2005 total and the most since 1995. Arrests also were up: 475 in 2006 compared with 452 in 2005. And if each plant they destroyed would have produced one pound of pot with an estimated worth of $2,000, that would mean $1 billion was prevented from entering the illegal drug market. . . . "If police are finding that much marijuana, [Lt. Ed] Shemelya, [head of the marijuana-eradication program for the Kentucky State Police] said, it means there is a lot more they aren't finding. Even with additional flight time, he said, police can't cover all the primary pot-growing area of southern and eastern Kentucky and probably don't find more than half the crop.” [16] |
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Posted: 10/13/2011 11:39:20 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: That is a lot of plants. I wonder how many acres that covered? Rough estimates are the operation was spread out over ~5 miles. I know the area where the fields were. Very rural and unserved by paved roads. Great whitetail hunting to be had. Them deer won't be near as docile now. Killin' and murderin' to feed their pot addiction. I can see it now. Woods won't be safe for anybody. I saw a dead deer in a pot field once, the needle full of marijuana was still in his arm. I saw one snorting meth once, then he smashed my car!!! |
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Posted: 10/13/2011 11:40:43 AM EDT
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How do they know the plants would produce that much? They don't. Estimates of drug value are almost always vastly overstated. yep i remember a few years ago a 100 lb bust was estimated at $1million
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Posted: 10/13/2011 11:41:11 AM EDT
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dude......you know the stalk and stems get weighed in there too. i guess cops think the whole plant is used. Given ideal conditions, the interwebs tells me you can theoretically see 7oz per plant outdoors, and 3.5oz indoors. Now the source didn't say whether that's wet or dry. Compare a fresh rose to a dried rose, big difference. It also didn't state whether that accounts for seeds, and seeds account for a lot of weight. Good weed doesn't have seeds. I think the best you could expect to see from an op of this scale would be 3oz per plant. Just because I don't expect they're doing soil tests, setting up proper irrigation, providing maximum spacing between plants, etc. I think 1oz each is more likely in a quickly rigged up clandestine operation that probably isn't properly tended to. Given truly ideal conditions and strain you can theoretically see well over a pound of usable dried bud from an outdoor plant,some strains can get 10 feet tall and 5 or more feet wide. I doubt these plants were that big or in completely ideal conditions but they were very well tended to if the report is correct about the irrigation system and living quarters. 1 oz per plant is as inaccurately low as a police estimation is high unless they went through all the trouble of setting it up just to plant a bad strain in overcrowded conditions. |
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Posted: 10/13/2011 11:42:20 AM EDT
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Must have been dirt ass weed for $1200 / plant.
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