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Posted: 9/3/2011 4:14:46 AM EDT
There's no good pic of the Bezzavertnyy, but here's the Yorktown. 
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Posted: 9/3/2011 4:25:29 AM EDT
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I got to tour that ship as a teenager before that deployment.
Here's a good pic of the impact. 
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Posted: 9/3/2011 4:25:49 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/3/2011 4:30:19 AM EDT
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Looks like a game of "chicken" got out of hand.
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Posted: 9/3/2011 4:30:53 AM EDT
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[ Bezzavetny is still in service with the Ukraine I believe.
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Posted: 9/3/2011 4:43:46 AM EDT
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The Soviets always thought of the Black Sea as being there own personal lake. We always knew that our freedom of navigation exercises weren't going to be met in a friendly way. |
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Posted: 9/3/2011 4:45:04 AM EDT
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Does anyone know the details/outcome of this incident? I wouldn't think it worked out all that well for Bezzavetnyy. When 3300 tons decides to get in a shoving match with 9600 tons, it typically doesn't.
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Posted: 9/3/2011 4:45:43 AM EDT
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Looks like a game of "chicken" got out of hand. Nah. The Soviets didn't like us in the Black Sea. We went in there from time to time just to prove that we could and would. They'd bump us around. We'd file complaints. They'd ignore them. Typical cold war stuff. |
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Posted: 9/3/2011 4:49:55 AM EDT
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That's incredibly ballsy. Stupid, but ballsy.
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Posted: 9/3/2011 4:50:23 AM EDT
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I'm confused. Are there two Yorktowns? I know of the WWII era Aircraft Carrier that is docked at Patriot's Point in Charleston, SC. This can't be the same ship can it?
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Posted: 9/3/2011 4:51:22 AM EDT
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Does anyone know the details/outcome of this incident? I wouldn't think it worked out all that well for Bezzavetnyy. When 3300 tons decides to get in a shoving match with 9600 tons, it typically doesn't. Jane They swapped some paint. The speeds were about the same and the "angle of attack" was shallow. Just playing a little bumper cars at sea. |
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Posted: 9/3/2011 4:52:09 AM EDT
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I'm confused. Are there two Yorktowns? I know of the WWII era Aircraft Carrier that is docked at Patriot's Point in Charleston, SC. This can't be the same ship can it? More than two. Carrier sunk at Midway. Second Carrier which saw action late in WWII. Guided Missile Crusier (this one). |
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Posted: 9/3/2011 4:52:33 AM EDT
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I'm confused. Are there two Yorktowns? I know of the WWII era Aircraft Carrier that is docked at Patriot's Point in Charleston, SC. This can't be the same ship can it? That Yorktown that you're looking at in the vid is a cruiser. ...and yes, the name is recycled. |
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Posted: 9/3/2011 4:55:36 AM EDT
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USN should've had sunk those dirty ruskies.
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Posted: 9/3/2011 4:58:22 AM EDT
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Quoted: Man, the Navy must have gone through COs, XOs and OODs like crazy for all those ships to touch anything other than a mooring bumper.Nah. The Soviets didn't like us in the Black Sea. We went in there from time to time just to prove that we could and would. They'd bump us around. We'd file complaints. They'd ignore them. Typical cold war stuff. |
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Posted: 9/3/2011 4:59:04 AM EDT
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USN should've had sunk those dirty ruskies. That would have been a fairly short engagement. We were operating in their backyard and would have been overwhelmed in short order. I always thought that running out an I-beam at the last moment would have been fun. Give them something to rip their own hull open on. |
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Posted: 9/3/2011 5:00:27 AM EDT
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I'm confused. Are there two Yorktowns? I know of the WWII era Aircraft Carrier that is docked at Patriot's Point in Charleston, SC. This can't be the same ship can it? More than two. Carrier sunk at Midway. Second Carrier which saw action late in WWII. Guided Missile Crusier (this one). Thanks. |
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Posted: 9/3/2011 5:00:46 AM EDT
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Does anyone know the details/outcome of this incident? I wouldn't think it worked out all that well for Bezzavetnyy. When 3300 tons decides to get in a shoving match with 9600 tons, it typically doesn't. Jane They swapped some paint. The speeds were about the same and the "angle of attack" was shallow. Just playing a little bumper cars at sea. Yeah, I suspected there wasn't any real damage. If I'd been the captain of Yorktown, I'd have clear-coated over Bezzavetnyy's paint and left it right where it was. 
I was more curious about whether Yorktown continued it's "innocent passage" through Soviet territorial waters. Jane |
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Posted: 9/3/2011 5:00:48 AM EDT
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Man, the Navy must have gone through COs, XOs and OODs like crazy for all those ships to touch anything other than a mooring bumper.
Nah. The Soviets didn't like us in the Black Sea. We went in there from time to time just to prove that we could and would. They'd bump us around. We'd file complaints. They'd ignore them. Typical cold war stuff. No one was relieved for that. We were holding a straight true course. It was clearly an aggressive act by the Soviets. |
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Posted: 9/3/2011 5:01:37 AM EDT
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I love how the comrades aboard their ship copied the uniforms worn in "Red October"
But seriously, what I find interesting is they (either side) obviously didn't think it was a real threat. Nobody had guns pointed at each other. It was just a cold war game. |
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Posted: 9/3/2011 5:03:23 AM EDT
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step dad had good stories from tours on the ike. underinflating weather ballons with a transmitter box filled with garbage and watching the russian "fishing trawler" scurry to pickit up and then dump it when the contents were discovered to be not what they expected.
mooning russian ships with "fishermen" on deck glassing the ship. those fishermen sure had some nice looking optics... |
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Posted: 9/3/2011 5:08:18 AM EDT
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Does anyone know the details/outcome of this incident? I wouldn't think it worked out all that well for Bezzavetnyy. When 3300 tons decides to get in a shoving match with 9600 tons, it typically doesn't. Jane They swapped some paint. The speeds were about the same and the "angle of attack" was shallow. Just playing a little bumper cars at sea. Yeah, I suspected there wasn't any real damage. If I'd been the captain of Yorktown, I'd have clear-coated over Bezzavetnyy's paint and left it right where it was.
I was more curious about whether Yorktown continued it's "innocent passage" through Soviet territorial waters. Jane The Yorktown was also sailing with the USS Caron at the time. She got bumped around a bit too. We knew that there would be harassment when we went in there, but we were trying to make a point. We didn't recognize the Soviet territorial water claim. We stuck around and played the "we can go here if we want" game and the Soviets harassed them the entire time. They would put radar locks on them, and practice missile attacks against them. We, for the most part, would just stick out our chin and say "you don't scare us." |
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Posted: 9/3/2011 5:12:03 AM EDT
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I love how the comrades aboard their ship copied the uniforms worn in "Red October"
But seriously, what I find interesting is they (either side) obviously didn't think it was a real threat. Nobody had guns pointed at each other. It was just a cold war game. The Soviets liked to harass the CV/CVNs. They would cut us off in an attempt to keep us from getting into position to launch/recover aircraft. Their subs got a little too close on a couple occasions; one hit the Kitty Hawk near Japan and another one got tangled in the NIXIE cable of a DD off the east coast. |
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Posted: 9/3/2011 5:12:20 AM EDT
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step dad had good stories from tours on the ike. underinflating weather ballons with a transmitter box filled with garbage and watching the russian "fishing trawler" scurry to pickit up and then dump it when the contents were discovered to be not what they expected. mooning russian ships with "fishermen" on deck glassing the ship. those fishermen sure had some nice looking optics... Some of our guys would also put porn in the trash (for them) as well. That might also explain their hurry to scoop it out. |
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Posted: 9/3/2011 5:17:47 AM EDT
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I love how the comrades aboard their ship copied the uniforms worn in "Red October"
But seriously, what I find interesting is they (either side) obviously didn't think it was a real threat. Nobody had guns pointed at each other. It was just a cold war game. The Soviets liked to harass the CV/CVNs. They would cut us off in an attempt to keep us from getting into position to launch/recover aircraft. Their subs got a little too close on a couple occasions; one hit the Kitty Hawk near Japan and another one got tangled in the NIXIE cable of a DD off the east coast. Yep. That reminds me of a story that I was told by an EP-3 pilot when they were operating out of the Aleutians. They were in international airspace but were being "escorted" by Soviet fighters. The fighter was flying with his wingtips coming within feet of our aircraft. It was all just harassment stuff. When it came time for them to return home, the fighter would break in front of our aircraft and hit the afterburners just to create a lot of chop for them to fly through. Ah...the cold war...good times...good times.... |
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Posted: 9/3/2011 5:18:33 AM EDT
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step dad had good stories from tours on the ike. underinflating weather ballons with a transmitter box filled with garbage and watching the russian "fishing trawler" scurry to pickit up and then dump it when the contents were discovered to be not what they expected. mooning russian ships with "fishermen" on deck glassing the ship. those fishermen sure had some nice looking optics... Soviet merchant ships anchored in Hampton Roads would observe the comings and goings at Norfolk Naval Station. |
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Posted: 9/3/2011 5:18:47 AM EDT
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Yeah, I suspected there wasn't any real damage. If I'd been the captain of Yorktown, I'd have clear-coated over Bezzavetnyy's paint and left it right where it was.
I was more curious about whether Yorktown continued it's "innocent passage" through Soviet territorial waters. Jane The Yorktown was also sailing with the USS Caron at the time. She got bumped around a bit too. We knew that there would be harassment when we went in there, but we were trying to make a point. We didn't recognize the Soviet territorial water claim. We stuck around and played the "we can go here if we want" game and the Soviets harassed them the entire time. They would put radar locks on them, and practice missile attacks against them. We, for the most part, would just stick out our chin and say "you don't scare us." Good stuff, but that was during the Reagan years, as I recall. If a US and Russian/Chinese ship bumped today, Mr. Obama would order the captain to commit seppuku on the foredeck. Disgraceful. Jane |
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Posted: 9/3/2011 5:24:55 AM EDT
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Yeah, I suspected there wasn't any real damage. If I'd been the captain of Yorktown, I'd have clear-coated over Bezzavetnyy's paint and left it right where it was.
I was more curious about whether Yorktown continued it's "innocent passage" through Soviet territorial waters. Jane The Yorktown was also sailing with the USS Caron at the time. She got bumped around a bit too. We knew that there would be harassment when we went in there, but we were trying to make a point. We didn't recognize the Soviet territorial water claim. We stuck around and played the "we can go here if we want" game and the Soviets harassed them the entire time. They would put radar locks on them, and practice missile attacks against them. We, for the most part, would just stick out our chin and say "you don't scare us." Good stuff, but that was during the Reagan years, as I recall. If a US and Russian/Chinese ship bumped today, Mr. Obama would order the captain to commit seppuku on the foredeck. Disgraceful. Jane You're probably right. The Yorktown skipper tossed some guys over the side to quickly paint over the scrapes shortly after the incident. I imagine that was our way of figuratively brushing the dust off our shoulder and saying "Yeah, so what?" |
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Posted: 9/3/2011 5:33:33 AM EDT
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I love how the comrades aboard their ship copied the uniforms worn in "Red October"
But seriously, what I find interesting is they (either side) obviously didn't think it was a real threat. Nobody had guns pointed at each other. It was just a cold war game. These cat-and-mouse games were pretty common, particularly with aircraft flying along a country's boundaries. My favorite one was causing a Soviet sub to surface by wrapping its prop up with some sort of cable - might have been some kind of towed hydrophone array - sometime in the eighties. |
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Posted: 9/3/2011 5:53:53 AM EDT
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USS Yorktown was being escorted by the destroyer USS Caron when this incident happened, and USS Caron received similar treatment.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4jQhnXrWbg&feature=related (my link-fu is fail) |
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Posted: 9/3/2011 6:12:02 AM EDT
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If a US and Russian/Chinese ship bumped today, Mr. Obama would order the captain to commit seppuku on the foredeck. That's ridiculous. Seppuku is an act of honor, something the Zero in Chief knows nothing about. He'd be more likely to order the crew of the US vessel to surrender to the Chinese without dumping any classified data/equipment, and then he'd call a world press conference to apologize. |
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Posted: 9/3/2011 7:29:49 AM EDT
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My dad was in the Coast Guard and stationed at Port Canaveral on the cutter Point Charles during the later Apollo missions (Apollo 14-17, all four Skylab shots, and Apollo-Soyuz). They used to work at-sea security around Kennedy Space Center, maintaining an exclusion zone around the launch pad, mostly to keep idiot civilians on sail boats away from the launch area. But he said there were an awful lot of Russian "fishing trawlers" with no nets and a million antennas that they'd have to run off too.
He said on Apollo 17 he took a bunch of pictures of one of the "fishing trawlers" with his personal camera. When they got back to port the cutter was met by a bunch of men with dark suits and thin neckties who demanded the film in the camera. He refused, but relented when they mentioned words like "court martial" and "Leavenworth". Good times. |
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