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Posted: 8/20/2011 7:28:23 PM EST
Originally Posted By Lancair:
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What would be your round of choice ?


Federal HSTs or Speer Gold Dots +P. In a Model 19, of course.


That is a 357
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Posted: 8/20/2011 7:29:28 PM EST

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What would be your round of choice ?

170 grain Keith bullets.
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Posted: 8/20/2011 7:30:12 PM EST
Originally Posted By Finallyablkgun:
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Originally Posted By Seagrunt:
What would be your round of choice ?


Federal HSTs or Speer Gold Dots +P. In a Model 19, of course.


That is a 357


I have found that a .357 frame and hotter .38s are a good combo with a small grip for small women, even with a short barrel. The lack of pain when shooting leads them to practice more.
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Posted: 8/20/2011 7:35:42 PM EST
Originally Posted By Maxxx:
158 gr LSWCHP+P


If I had to, this is what I would carry. But I don't have to, so I carry a .357 when I carry a wheelie.
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Posted: 8/20/2011 7:36:03 PM EST
I'm gonna stick with my Speer Gold Dots. You can ask our own Blitz_308 since he took a couple rounds in the hand from a perp... did some nasty damage for what little it touched. Oh and fuck that POS that's rotting in prison.


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Posted: 8/20/2011 7:58:04 PM EST
The only 2 that get the nod from the "best choices in self defense ammo" are Speer Gold Dot 135gr +P (53921) and Corbon 110 gr JHP DPX.

I use the DPX.

http://ammo.ar15.com/project/Self_Defense_Ammo_FAQ/index.htm#.38spl/.357mag
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Posted: 8/20/2011 8:09:16 PM EST
Speer Gold Dot 135gr +P > everything else.
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Posted: 8/20/2011 8:13:21 PM EST
Originally Posted By trwoprod:
Originally Posted By Finallyablkgun:
Originally Posted By Lancair:
Originally Posted By Seagrunt:
What would be your round of choice ?


Federal HSTs or Speer Gold Dots +P. In a Model 19, of course.


That is a 357


I have found that a .357 frame and hotter .38s are a good combo with a small grip for small women, even with a short barrel. The lack of pain when shooting leads them to practice more.


The 357 model 19 frame is the same frame as the 38 special frame of the model 10 and 15. I know my S&Ws.
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Posted: 8/20/2011 8:19:25 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Finallyablkgun:
Originally Posted By trwoprod:
Originally Posted By Finallyablkgun:
Originally Posted By Lancair:
Originally Posted By Seagrunt:
What would be your round of choice ?


Federal HSTs or Speer Gold Dots +P. In a Model 19, of course.


That is a 357


I have found that a .357 frame and hotter .38s are a good combo with a small grip for small women, even with a short barrel. The lack of pain when shooting leads them to practice more.


The 357 model 19 frame is the same frame as the 38 special frame of the model 10 and 15. I know my S&Ws.


K Frame. My favorite Smith frame. I wouldn't call the 19 a .357 but rather a .38 that can fire some .357s. That frame wasn't designed for .357 though. The L frame fixed that dilemma.

People like to disregard the .38 Special now since they only think of it in the context of snub-noses. Ridiculous claims are made about it being equivalent to the .380ACP even though the round is more ballistically akin the the vaunted 9mm Parabellum.
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If they'd used 158s instead of 125s in their K frames they wouldn't have had as many issues.
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Posted: 8/20/2011 8:48:02 PM EST
Originally Posted By FZ1Steve:
158 gr LSWCHP+P

In the old Nyclad round.


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Posted: 8/20/2011 9:09:38 PM EST
Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:
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What if your pistol won't handle +P?


Get a new one.


Any 38 can handle +P. The modern 38 +P is quite wimpy. Occasional use won't blow off the top strap!
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Posted: 8/20/2011 9:14:55 PM EST
Semi- jacketed hollow point
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I have a old 66 here in the bedroom loaded with 38 nyclads, not sure the weight 129's I think. They are ment out of short barrels. Make your shots count (with the aid of laser grips for low light) and no worries.

The police been dropping bad guys for decades with 38s. The modern generation, don't seem any tougher then back when the cartridge was invented. I tote a 442 in my pocket 99% of the time. I feel reasonably protected in a life or death situation.

If I need more the 45 or another 38 drop into another pocket.

If I'm looking for a fight I carry the rifle.
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Posted: 8/20/2011 9:28:26 PM EST
Originally Posted By AKSU:
Corbon 110 gr JHP DPX or Speer Gold Dot 135gr +P (53921)

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn73/AKSU_album/IMG_1185.jpg


Outstanding little firearm you have there.
I still want to get a S&W Bodyguard.

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Posted: 8/20/2011 9:35:13 PM EST
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Originally Posted By BusMaster007:
Originally Posted By AKSU:
Corbon 110 gr JHP DPX or Speer Gold Dot 135gr +P (53921)

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn73/AKSU_album/IMG_1185.jpg


Outstanding little firearm you have there.
I still want to get a S&W Bodyguard.



I've carried stainless J frames for years, but I turned to black/blue finishes again. If I'm sitting and the butt peaks out, I want the person across from me to think it's my phone, not a gun.

I think these are hydra shoks. Out of subbie length barrels these won't expand.

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Posted: 8/20/2011 10:28:49 PM EST
My 642 has Remington 125+p Golden Sabers.
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I do carry a .38 Spl.

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Posted: 8/20/2011 11:31:04 PM EST
Federal 158gr LSWCHP +P "FBI" load.
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Posted: 8/20/2011 11:52:08 PM EST
Originally Posted By FZ1Steve:
158 gr LSWCHP+P

In the old Nyclad round.


What he said.
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Posted: 8/21/2011 12:00:18 AM EST

Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:
Originally Posted By AR45fan:
What if your pistol won't handle +P?


Get a new one.

Meh shoot it anyway just don't pour 100s of +p through it
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Posted: 8/21/2011 6:43:12 PM EST

Originally Posted By TooBigToFail:
Originally Posted By Recusance:
Originally Posted By Maxxx:
158 gr LSWCHP+P


this is the only correct answer.


I carry that load in my 642.

Same here


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Posted: 8/21/2011 6:57:11 PM EST
Originally Posted By Maxxx:
158 gr LSWCHP+P


This if it has a 4" barrel.

Speer 135-grain GDSB for a snub-nose.
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Posted: 8/21/2011 8:09:02 PM EST
Originally Posted By trwoprod:
Originally Posted By FZ1Steve:
158 gr LSWCHP+P

In the old Nyclad round.


Wow. So I am not the oldest one up at this hour. At least no one started talking about SuperVels.


I actually have SuperVels loaded into my SP101. They must be 30+ years old.

Probably time to put something else in...

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Another vote for the good old 158 grain lead FBI load. I also use the Nyclad version. I am not old enough to have used the Supervel stuff, but I have seen it and read about it.

I do like the 135 grain Gold Dot stuff as well.
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Posted: 8/21/2011 11:29:48 PM EST
Hydrashok 147 gr +p+ expanded and penetrated well in my unscientific testing.

They often do around 900 fps even from a snub.

So that's whats in my Ruger LCR.
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Posted: 8/22/2011 12:49:58 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Seagrunt:
What would be your round of choice ?


125gr Federal NyClads

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158 gr LSWCHP+P


Preferably the Remington version, which has a bit softer lead than Federal or Winchester.
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Originally Posted By AR45fan:
What if your pistol won't handle +P?


I have an early 442. It isn't rated for a steady diet of +P (per S&W), but I've run a box (20) or two thru it with no ill effects.

At the moment it's loaded with the Hornady Critical Defense 110gr +P.

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Originally Posted By callgood:
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What if your pistol won't handle +P?


I have an early 442. It isn't rated for a steady diet of +P (per S&W), but I've run a box (20) or two thru it with no ill effects.

At the moment it's loaded with the Hornady Critical Defense 110gr +P.



I logged back into this thread to say that I had found a non +p .38 load that I felt comfortable with and it is the Hornady Critical Defense 38 Special NON +p with 110 gr FTX bullets.
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Posted: 9/25/2011 3:59:34 AM EST
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I carry a 442 every day, and it is loaded with Speer Gold Dot 135-grain Short Barrel ammo.





Same but in a M&P 340.
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Originally Posted By AR45fan:
What if your pistol won't handle +P?


If you have an old Smith or Colt, don't worry about it. Regular use of +P ammunition will make the revolver go out of time, but it won't blow up or anything like that. Shoot your regular practice sessions with standard pressure ammunition. Fire a few +Ps once every couple of months to make sure your aim is good.
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Posted: 9/25/2011 5:33:18 AM EST
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4": Speer GDHP 158 +P
2": Speer GDSB 135 +P


No brainer
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I often carry a .38, sometimes a pair. Both are loaded with 135gr +P Speer Gold Dots.
If I couldn't find those I'd use DPX. Or Nyclads. Or Hydrashoks. Or Golden Sabres. Or LRN, FMJ, wadcutters, or whatever. I prefer to carry premium ammunition, but if I couldn't, I'd make do and get it done with whatever I did have.
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What if your pistol won't handle +P?

They will all handle it for limited use, unless you are carrying an Escodin or something.
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Federal Nyclad 125gr JHP


Very, very outdated.


But they still work.
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Posted: 9/25/2011 7:11:04 AM EST
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What would be your round of choice ?


Probably one of these. Note that they are fired from real carry-type guns, not weapons with long test barrels.

http://www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=108


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Originally Posted By Finallyablkgun:
Originally Posted By trwoprod:
Originally Posted By Finallyablkgun:
Originally Posted By Lancair:
Originally Posted By Seagrunt:
What would be your round of choice ?


Federal HSTs or Speer Gold Dots +P. In a Model 19, of course.


That is a 357


I have found that a .357 frame and hotter .38s are a good combo with a small grip for small women, even with a short barrel. The lack of pain when shooting leads them to practice more.


The 357 model 19 frame is the same frame as the 38 special frame of the model 10 and 15. I know my S&Ws.


Yeah...no
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Posted: 9/25/2011 7:18:26 AM EST
Originally Posted By jeepnstein:

Originally Posted By Maxxx:
158 gr LSWCHP+P

This. I wouldn't necessarily feel outgunned. Shot placement matters.


That is what I CC. I don't feel a damn bit undergunned.

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Hornady Custom .38 Special 158GR XTP
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Posted: 9/25/2011 7:37:53 AM EST
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2": Speer GDSB 135 +P


is this round the round thats suppose to work good in snub nose .38's?

I think i bought a couple boxes but wasn't sure if i picked the right round???
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If you have an alloy frame revolver its not recommended you shoot too much +P ammo through it. I carry 158 gr hollow points but their not +P and both of my Dick Specials are steel not alloy.
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Posted: 9/25/2011 7:51:58 AM EST
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Just inherited a Taurus model 85


I have one of these as well.....run generic Remington SJHP's and have no fears.
Might not be a Lapua .338 but it aint no pointed stick neither.

Quality modern hollow points are going to be a hell of a deterent to most threats assuming you do your part and put the holes in places that count.
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2": Speer GDSB 135 +P


is this round the round thats suppose to work good in snub nose .38's?

I think i bought a couple boxes but wasn't sure if i picked the right round???


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Hornady Custom .38 Special 158GR XTPhttp://i817.photobucket.com/albums/zz95/VictorCastle/ColtDetectiveHollowpointPicA.jpg


Damn, that's purdy, my Colt Cobras nickel finish & grips are shot from wear.
Now, back to ammo. I'm really on the fence w/XTP or other FJHP's when it comes to non+P loads. I would think that a SJHP would give better expansion but, by far I am no expert, in fact, I am somewhat in the dark. There is a lot of good info in this thread but for us non+P folks who like to practice with what one carries and being affordable is what I'm still chasing. Would a non jacketed HP's provide better performance? Up until more recently I never gave much thought to standard pressure .38 loads.
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I roll my own using Gold Dots or Hornady XTP so, that...
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Originally Posted By SandWMandP15Tee:
Hornady Custom .38 Special 158GR XTPhttp://i817.photobucket.com/albums/zz95/VictorCastle/ColtDetectiveHollowpointPicA.jpg

Oh how I love Detective Specials.
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Originally Posted By Recusance:
Originally Posted By Maxxx:
158 gr LSWCHP+P


this is the only correct answer.


This isn't 1986 anymore.

Speer Gold Dot 135 gr +P

I'm putting my J-frame up for sale this week, though. I have no use for a revolver anymore. The limited role it served for me before has been filled by a G26.
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Once again


158 gr, Lead Semi-wadcutter Hollowpoint +P


Best thing going in a .38.
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