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Posted: 7/25/2011 10:54:23 PM
Originally Posted By mcantu:
its only child porn if its sexual in nature.


tell that to the many men in prison from over zealous prosecutors for having naked baby pictures of their own children.

all it takes is a pissed off ex and a prosecutor that's got political ambitions.
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Posted: 7/25/2011 10:54:57 PM
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It is inappropriate to let your 14 year old daughter walk around topless. There is no reason for a mother to think that is OK.


in this country.

in other countries, not so much.
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Is it fair to make a girl who has basicly no breasts at all wear a bikini top? I see that from time to time and it seems dumb.


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Posted: 7/25/2011 10:56:42 PM
Originally Posted By Phil_A_Steen:
My son and I were walking and looking for shells. This was off the main beach, you had to walk 500 yards or so down the shore where there is no easy access from the road and not many folks. A family was there. I gather they were French, or at least speaking French. The mother and her daughter were wearing bikini bottoms only, and the girl was probably only 14 or maybe even younger.

Now you see topless folks from time-to-time on the main beach –– it's not illegal in New York to go topless at the beach. That by itself was not unusual.

But I had my flip camera out and had been making some videos as I walked along the shore. I was then struck with a thought:

If I'd taken a video of my son on the beach, and this girl walked into the background of the photo, I'd be a felon and could go to jail for years.

It is kind of a weird world we live in.



I doubt........I said i doubt the veracity of your story. I'm calling you a liar son.
the only way I can confirm Ya'll story is to check it out for myself. I assume, I said i assume that Long Island being the only place in NY with beaches well guess what? I live on long island, damn place is chock full of yankees, so anyway i want ya'll to go ahead and give me the name of the beach these here girls were supposedly at.
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Posted: 7/25/2011 10:56:58 PM
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Originally Posted By zeekh:
This I agree with. Call me uptight, prudish whatever. If I saw an attractive woman in public, topless, I would be aroused. Sorry its the truth. I think most guys here would be the same.


Are you saying you stare at teen age girls when they run around in little cut off shorts or tiny bikinis? I think all guys have pretty girl radar but as soon as we realize what caught our attention was an underage girl, we look elsewhere. What difference does it make whether there is a sliver of cloth covering the nipples or it's just bare skin? Maybe you believe swim suits are inappropriate too?

The first time I really saw a lot of topless women on the beach was down at the Riviera Maya in Mexico a few years ago. There were some very attractive women at the resort where we stayed. I was appreciative of what I saw but never actually aroused. Once you get a little conditioned, it's not much different than having a conversation with a women wearing a really low cut top. You kinda want to stare but you know it isn't appropriate so you simply look her in the eyes. It's not that hard.
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About ten years ago I was at a beach in Ibiza, Spain. Around me were some of the most beautiful women I've ever seen, shave beaver and all. After an hour it didn't phase me anymore. I remember thinking that if I were in the US, I'd be excited if I could see a girl nipping through her t-shirt. I'm back to being excited by nipping through clothing. Sad really.
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Posted: 7/25/2011 10:58:44 PM
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Europeans generally don't give a shit about nudity. They find Americans "prudish". Same goes for alcohol.


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Posted: 7/25/2011 11:00:27 PM
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Originally Posted By iScream:

Originally Posted By zeekh:
This I agree with. Call me uptight, prudish whatever. If I saw an attractive woman in public, topless, I would be aroused. Sorry its the truth. I think most guys here would be the same.


Are you saying you stare at teen age girls when they run around in little cut off shorts or tiny bikinis? I think all guys have pretty girl radar but as soon as we realize what caught our attention was an underage girl, we look elsewhere. What difference does it make whether there is a sliver of cloth covering the nipples or it's just bare skin? Maybe you believe swim suits are inappropriate too?

The first time I really saw a lot of topless women on the beach was down at the Riviera Maya in Mexico a few years ago. There were some very attractive women at the resort where we stayed. I was appreciative of what I saw but never actually aroused. Once you get a little conditioned, it's not much different than having a conversation with a women wearing a really low cut top. You kinda want to stare but you know it's isn't appropriate so you simply look her in the eyes. It's not that hard.


Blasphemy! If god wanted us to see topless women, why did he make burqas? I get a hardon when I see a nice female ankle!
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Posted: 7/25/2011 11:04:25 PM
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Originally Posted By Phil_A_Steen:
My son and I were walking and looking for shells. This was off the main beach, you had to walk 500 yards or so down the shore where there is no easy access from the road and not many folks. A family was there. I gather they were French, or at least speaking French. The mother and her daughter were wearing bikini bottoms only, and the girl was probably only 14 or maybe even younger.

Now you see topless folks from time-to-time on the main beach –– it's not illegal in New York to go topless at the beach. That by itself was not unusual.

But I had my flip camera out and had been making some videos as I walked along the shore. I was then struck with a thought:

If I'd taken a video of my son on the beach, and this girl walked into the background of the photo, I'd be a felon and could go to jail for years.

It is kind of a weird world we live in.


I agree. I find it odd that in many other countries this behavior is passe yet here it's "OMG boobies on the beach! My eyes, the googles.......they do nothing!".

I have been to quite a few foreign beaches where women (of all ages) not only went topless but removed their bottoms to sun themselves as well. Somehow I managed to contain myself and not go on a raping spree. While Europe politically is FUBAR, on social issues they tend to get it right more often than we do.
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Posted: 7/25/2011 11:05:37 PM
Originally Posted By SGocka:
It is inappropriate to let your 14 year old daughter walk around topless. There is no reason for a mother to think that is OK.


Why?

Are breasts evil?
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Posted: 7/25/2011 11:08:33 PM
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Originally Posted By SGocka:
It is inappropriate to let your 14 year old daughter walk around topless. There is no reason for a mother to think that is OK.

There are actually places in this world where the human body is not in itself considered to be profane.

Crazy, I know.


It's not a matter of it being profane, it's a matter of not letting every sicko in NY see your 14 year old daughter's tits.


You think they don't leer at them still even when covered by a bikini top? It's only an issue here because we have made it one by creating a taboo about the human body.
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Posted: 7/25/2011 11:09:00 PM
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I was on my honeymoon in Maui several years ago. One day, we walked along a particular beach, then over a little outcropping at the end of the beach. On the other side of the outcropping was another beach. We explored a little further down that beach and soon discovered it was a nudist beach. There were entire families of all ages running around naked. Weird, but not offensive. They seemed happy and normal. In general, they also looked healthier...no giant fatties and lard asses like on the regular beach. If you take the mystery/phobia/prudishness/etc out of nudity, it's no big deal. How excited do you think the bartender at a strip club gets when he sees another pair of tits? As another poster mentioned, nudity != sexual.



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Posted: 7/25/2011 11:09:32 PM
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Originally Posted By Surf:
Originally Posted By Couch-Commando:
Europeans generally don't give a shit about nudity. They find Americans "prudish". Same goes for alcohol.


Cooper: You know America was founded by prudes. Prudes who left Europe because they hated all the kinky, steamy European sex that was going on. And now I, Cooper Harris, will return to the land of my perverted forefathers and claim my birthright... which is a series of erotic and sexually challenging adventures.


I know it's a quote, but it's not quite accurate. America wasn't just founded by prudes; America was founded by people who thought their fellow prudes weren't prudish enough.
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Posted: 7/25/2011 11:11:15 PM
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Originally Posted By zeekh:
This I agree with. Call me uptight, prudish whatever. If I saw an attractive woman in public, topless, I would be aroused. Sorry its the truth. I think most guys here would be the same.


Are you saying you stare at teen age girls when they run around in little cut off shorts or tiny bikinis? I think all guys have pretty girl radar but as soon as we realize what caught our attention was an underage girl, we look elsewhere. What difference does it make whether there is a sliver of cloth covering the nipples or it's just bare skin? Maybe you believe swim suits are inappropriate too?

The first time I really saw a lot of topless women on the beach was down at the Riviera Maya in Mexico a few years ago. There were some very attractive women at the resort where we stayed. I was appreciative of what I saw but never actually aroused. Once you get a little conditioned, it's not much different than having a conversation with a women wearing a really low cut top. You kinda want to stare but you know it isn't appropriate so you simply look her in the eyes. It's not that hard.


No the conversation morphed into topless women in general.

If you work in dog shelter once you get used to gassing dogs you don't think anything of it either.

Sure once you get used to seeing boobs maybe you won't be aroused.

As I said before, at a beach specifically for topless or complete nudity I'm fine with it.
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Posted: 7/25/2011 11:14:24 PM
Originally Posted By Banjaxed:
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It is inappropriate to let your 14 year old daughter walk around topless. There is no reason for a mother to think that is OK.


Why?

Are breasts evil?


So if an old guy or even a young guy took more than a glance at said underage ( say16yo ) breast is that right or wrong?
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Posted: 7/25/2011 11:19:12 PM
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I was at a party at a buddies place last year. People hangin out, drinkin beer, having a good time. About 30 or 40 people total. Knew about half of them pretty well. Hot tub looked good, so me, my wife, and my 9 year old girl promptly stripped naked as the day we were born and got in. 3/4 of the people there looked at us like we were fucking aliens. People are weird.


I would have promptly been on my way home. Your wife and 9yo daughter naked around a bunch of grown men who are drinking seems like a terrible situation to put them in.


Yeah I'm all for public nudity being accepted. That story however is kinda strange. I think even the French would have asked you to leave.
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Posted: 7/25/2011 11:19:14 PM

Originally Posted By Recusance:
Originally Posted By mcantu:
its only child porn if its sexual in nature.


tell that to the many men in prison from over zealous prosecutors for having naked baby pictures of their own children.

all it takes is a pissed off ex and a prosecutor that's got political ambitions.


We're anxiously waiting on you to post up the "many" convictions as a result of innocent baby pictures.

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There's a difference between being naked and being nekkid.



Naked means you don't have any clothes on.



Nekkid means you don't have any clothes on and you're up to something.
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I went to a major new york beach on Sunday and I was shocked at the over 1,000 naked people of all ages roasting in the sun and frolicking in the surf just like all the folks with clothes on. It wasn't a special beach area either. Robert Moses State Park. Great surf out there too!
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There's a difference between being naked and being nekkid.



Naked means you don't have any clothes on.



Nekkid means you don't have any clothes on and you're up to something.


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Posted: 7/25/2011 11:24:50 PM
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It is inappropriate to let your 14 year old daughter walk around topless. There is no reason for a mother to think that is OK.


Thats a cultural expectation
In other cultures (european specifically), nudity isnt that big of deal

With that being said, my 14yo wont be walking around without a top if I have any say in it
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Originally Posted By zeekh:
Originally Posted By Banjaxed:
Originally Posted By SGocka:
It is inappropriate to let your 14 year old daughter walk around topless. There is no reason for a mother to think that is OK.


Why?

Are breasts evil?


So if an old guy or even a young guy took more than a glance at said underage ( say16yo ) breast is that right or wrong?


Honestly I can't say it's either. Hell a pair of tits is a pair of tits. I doubt any heterosexual male could see a nice pair attached to an attractive woman at any age without a second glance. Lets be honest with ourselves here. Where right and wrong comes in is how you conduct yourself in the process. Going over and trying to pick up said girl, or grabbing your pecker and fapping would be wrong. Taking a second glance from afar is perfectly natural. Can you honestly say you never did a double take over some scantly clad 16 year old trollip at the mall? Not that long ago it would have been normal for that girl to be married with a child or two of her own.
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OP - leave your camera and open and wear your prescription glasses next time. If the girl if 14, you might also take a magnifying glass or pair of binos.
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OP - leave your camera and open and wear your prescription glasses next time. If the girl if 14, you might also take a magnifying glass or pair of binos.




Maybe I'm reading this wrong but this is creepier than the hot tub story.
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I would jusl like to know if you guys who are so "they're just boobs" would feel the same way if it was your 14 year old daughter? Pretty sure the guy in the tub with his daughter would be but what about the rest of you? You would say yes if she asked to go to a nude beach? Or walk around the house in front of a new boyfriend topless?
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Originally Posted By ARDestructo:
Originally Posted By SGocka:
It is inappropriate to let your 14 year old daughter walk around topless. There is no reason for a mother to think that is OK.

There are actually places in this world where the human body is not in itself considered to be profane.

Crazy, I know.


It's not a matter of it being profane, it's a matter of not letting every sicko in NY see your 14 year old daughter's tits.

Who cares, they're just tits, half the world's population have them.


half the men on arfcom have them
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Posted: 7/25/2011 11:43:24 PM
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Originally Posted By SGocka:
It is inappropriate to let your 14 year old daughter walk around topless. There is no reason for a mother to think that is OK.


Why is it only in America that tits are a big fuckin deal. The rest of the world really could give a shit less. Just sayin........


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I would jusl like to know if you guys who are so "they're just boobs" would feel the same way if it was your 14 year old daughter? Pretty sure the guy in the tub with his daughter would be but what about the rest of you? You would say yes if she asked to go to a nude beach? Or walk around the house in front of a new boyfriend topless?


your question fails to be specific. i.e.

if i was born and raised in a country and a culture where nudity from the waste up is normal, then i'd look at you as abnormal.

do you own a gun?

then you must have evil thoughts of using that gun for crimes.

fair enough?
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I would jusl like to know if you guys who are so "they're just boobs" would feel the same way if it was your 14 year old daughter? Pretty sure the guy in the tub with his daughter would be but what about the rest of you? You would say yes if she asked to go to a nude beach? Or walk around the house in front of a new boyfriend topless?


your question fails to be specific. i.e.

if i was born and raised in a country and a culture where nudity from the waste up is normal, then i'd look at you as abnormal.

do you own a gun?

then you must have evil thoughts of using that gun for crimes.

fair enough?

What's not specific? Most of the people answering that they are only tits would have a shit fit if their teenage daughter wears a top that shows to much cleavage. Isn't a trick question. Just wondering who will admit to being a hypocrite.
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Posted: 7/25/2011 11:55:56 PM
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its only child porn if its sexual in nature.


tell that to the many men in prison from over zealous prosecutors for having naked baby pictures of their own children.

all it takes is a pissed off ex and a prosecutor that's got political ambitions.


How many men have gone to prison for having naked baby pics of their own children?

I call BS...
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Originally Posted By hoodonit00:
Originally Posted By xwarp:
Originally Posted By hoodonit00:
I would jusl like to know if you guys who are so "they're just boobs" would feel the same way if it was your 14 year old daughter? Pretty sure the guy in the tub with his daughter would be but what about the rest of you? You would say yes if she asked to go to a nude beach? Or walk around the house in front of a new boyfriend topless?


your question fails to be specific. i.e.

if i was born and raised in a country and a culture where nudity from the waste up is normal, then i'd look at you as abnormal.

do you own a gun?

then you must have evil thoughts of using that gun for crimes.

fair enough?

What's not specific? Most of the people answering that they are only tits would have a shit fit if their teenage daughter wears a top that shows to much cleavage. Isn't a trick question. Just wondering who will admit to being a hypocrite.


gotcha.

but the bigger problem is that you are asking this in g.d.

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Originally Posted By mcantu:
its only child porn if its sexual in nature.


tell that to the many men in prison from over zealous prosecutors for having naked baby pictures of their own children.

all it takes is a pissed off ex and a prosecutor that's got political ambitions.


How many men have gone to prison for having naked baby pics of their own children?

I call BS...


seem to remember a family about 20 years ago in Cali losing their kids for trying to get some bathing and potty pics of their kids developed at the neighborhood Walgreens.
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Originally Posted By hoodonit00:
Originally Posted By xwarp:
Originally Posted By hoodonit00:
I would jusl like to know if you guys who are so "they're just boobs" would feel the same way if it was your 14 year old daughter? Pretty sure the guy in the tub with his daughter would be but what about the rest of you? You would say yes if she asked to go to a nude beach? Or walk around the house in front of a new boyfriend topless?


your question fails to be specific. i.e.

if i was born and raised in a country and a culture where nudity from the waste up is normal, then i'd look at you as abnormal.

do you own a gun?

then you must have evil thoughts of using that gun for crimes.

fair enough?

What's not specific? Most of the people answering that they are only tits would have a shit fit if their teenage daughter wears a top that shows to much cleavage. Isn't a trick question. Just wondering who will admit to being a hypocrite.


the problem with your question is that i would obviously agree that i would not allow my daughter at the age of 14 run around topless because i grew up and was raised in the united states where public nudity is not acceptable. now, if i were to read your question, and was a born and raised resident of a country that it's culture was perfectly o.k. with public nudity, then i doubt i'd have a problem with it.

i believe it's the upbringing with the idea that a nude person automatically by instinct generates "impure and evil" thoughts.

A lot of the people responding are from the U.S and saying how backwards the U.S is towards nudity and that it's no big deal. That's where my question comes in. If they don't think it's a big deal and even giving people grief because they think it's wierd, then they surely would have no problem with their own daughter doing it.

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its only child porn if its sexual in nature.


You might beat the rap on that one, but you for damned sure won't beat the ride. It will cost you everything you own to come out a free man, then you still have to deal with the character assassination in the media. In a small town you would never find work locally for the rest of your life....
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Originally Posted By hoodonit00:
Originally Posted By xwarp:
Originally Posted By hoodonit00:
I would jusl like to know if you guys who are so "they're just boobs" would feel the same way if it was your 14 year old daughter? Pretty sure the guy in the tub with his daughter would be but what about the rest of you? You would say yes if she asked to go to a nude beach? Or walk around the house in front of a new boyfriend topless?


your question fails to be specific. i.e.

if i was born and raised in a country and a culture where nudity from the waste up is normal, then i'd look at you as abnormal.

do you own a gun?

then you must have evil thoughts of using that gun for crimes.

fair enough?

What's not specific? Most of the people answering that they are only tits would have a shit fit if their teenage daughter wears a top that shows to much cleavage. Isn't a trick question. Just wondering who will admit to being a hypocrite.


To a nude beach? No I would have no issue with that and I have two daughters. Around the house with a boyfriend? Probably not as even in cultures where public nudity is accepted this would be frowned on. One is suggestive of an invitation and the other is not. You would have to be blind not to see that. Intimate setting vs public setting.
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I would jusl like to know if you guys who are so "they're just boobs" would feel the same way if it was your 14 year old daughter? Pretty sure the guy in the tub with his daughter would be but what about the rest of you? You would say yes if she asked to go to a nude beach? Or walk around the house in front of a new boyfriend topless?


your question fails to be specific. i.e.

if i was born and raised in a country and a culture where nudity from the waste up is normal, then i'd look at you as abnormal.

do you own a gun?

then you must have evil thoughts of using that gun for crimes.

fair enough?

What's not specific? Most of the people answering that they are only tits would have a shit fit if their teenage daughter wears a top that shows to much cleavage. Isn't a trick question. Just wondering who will admit to being a hypocrite.


To a nude beach? No I would have no issue with that and I have two daughters. Around the house with a boyfriend? Probably not as even in cultures where public nudity is accepted this would be frowned on. One is suggestive of an invitation and the other is not. You would have to be blind not to see that.

Well at least you're honest. I have 2 girls also and 2 step daughters, all teens. No way in hell will they go to a nude beach. At least while they are living at home.

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OP - leave your camera and open and wear your prescription glasses next time. If the girl if 14, you might also take a magnifying glass or pair of binos.




Maybe I'm reading this wrong but this is creepier than the hot tub story.

I think what he's implying is that 14 year old girls have no visible breasts.
He obviously hasn't been out of the basement enough to know that girls hit puberty about a year or so before that.....


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It is inappropriate to let your 14 year old daughter walk around topless. There is no reason for a mother to think that is OK.

Having been to the beaches in Europe... it's actually quite normal.
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Is it fair to make a girl who has basicly no breasts at all wear a bikini top? I see that from time to time and it seems dumb.



I don't know what the 14yo girls are like where YOU live, but around here, they all have the bodies of 20yo women.
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Is it fair to make a girl who has basicly no breasts at all wear a bikini top? I see that from time to time and it seems dumb.



I don't know what the 14yo girls are like where YOU live, but around here, they all have the bodies of 20yo women.


Maybe this mysterious 14 year old was actually an 18 year old who didn't drink milk.
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I would jusl like to know if you guys who are so "they're just boobs" would feel the same way if it was your 14 year old daughter? Pretty sure the guy in the tub with his daughter would be but what about the rest of you? You would say yes if she asked to go to a nude beach? Or walk around the house in front of a new boyfriend topless?


your question fails to be specific. i.e.

if i was born and raised in a country and a culture where nudity from the waste up is normal, then i'd look at you as abnormal.

do you own a gun?

then you must have evil thoughts of using that gun for crimes.

fair enough?

What's not specific? Most of the people answering that they are only tits would have a shit fit if their teenage daughter wears a top that shows to much cleavage. Isn't a trick question. Just wondering who will admit to being a hypocrite.


Since I was raised to not see shame in the human body (mom was a doctor) and I have raised my 3 girls that way (now 20, 21 and 25), I would have been ok with them at a nude beach. no way in hell with a BF at home. I guess that might make my a hypocrite sorta.
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It is inappropriate to let your 14 year old daughter walk around topless. There is no reason for a mother to think that is OK.


Why?

Are breasts evil?


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Also, the OP said this: This was off the main beach, you had to walk 500 yards or so down the shore where there is no easy access from the road and not many folks. A family was there.


It isn't as if the family was right in the middle of the crowd. They looked for their own uncrowded portion of a beach to do their own thing. For some families, nakedness isn't a big deal. Hell we had a friend who was nursing in the hot sun just up and decide that it was too damn hot to wear a top, so she just let the puppies hang.

It really is amazing that on this website, you have folks who post videos of people getting burned a live, shot and decapitated and people won't mind, and will even crack jokes, but women's bare boobs are suddenly the most deviant thing ever.
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It really is amazing that on this website, you have folks who post videos of people getting burned a live, shot and decapitated and people won't mind, and will even crack jokes, but women's bare boobs are suddenly the most deviant thing ever.
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It really is amazing that on this website, you have folks who post videos of people getting burned a live, shot and decapitated and people won't mind, and will even crack jokes, but women's bare boobs are suddenly the most deviant thing ever.
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I was at a party at a buddies place last year. People hangin out, drinkin beer, having a good time. About 30 or 40 people total. Knew about half of them pretty well. Hot tub looked good, so me, my wife, and my 9 year old girl promptly stripped naked as the day we were born and got in. 3/4 of the people there looked at us like we were fucking aliens. People are weird.


And they were right to look at you like that.

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There is nothing, what so ever, inherently sexual about naked people.

A family swimming in a hot tub is no more sexual tha a father giving a child a bath.

Attitudes like yours worry me much more than people who see nothing wrong with nudity.


So when you look at a naked woman you don't know you're not sexually aroused?


Maybe I'm frigid, it takes more than a nude person to sexually arouse me. There needs to be some sort of erotic catalyst as well.

Naked people are not sexy, naked people doing sexy things are. A 14 year old, topless at a beach, is not sexy.


Are you male or female?


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I am the poster boy for someone who should have turned out pretty prudish based solely on my upbringing. I still don't find naked people inherently arousing or nudity inherently sexual.

For instance, I find my wife to be incredibly attractive. However, when she's walking around the house getting ready to go out and all she's wearing is a pair of panties (or nothing at all) it's not arousing to me. Mostly, I would guess, because she;'s busy finding the right bra or looking for a hair clip or something mundane, she's not trying to be sexy. It's the same with strange women, they don't suddenly become sexy just because I don't know them and they are nude.

Frankly, if I got aroused every time I saw my wife naked we'd never go anywhere.
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For instance, I find my wife to be incredibly attractive. However, when she's walking around the house getting ready to go out and all she's wearing is a pair of panties (or nothing at all) it's not arousing to me. Mostly, I would guess, because she;'s busy finding the right bra or looking for a hair clip or something mundane, she's not trying to be sexy. It's the same with strange women, they don't suddenly become sexy just because I don't know them and they are nude.

Frankly, if I got aroused every time I saw my wife naked we'd never go anywhere.

To me, it's just about self control. If any guy can look at his sister without popping a tent in his pants then he should be able to do the same for any other situation. It is possible to look at, appreciate, and think a nice female body is sexy without getting aroused or starting to imagine doing naughty things with her. Don't want to over share here but I've got a thing for short, tight skirts and stockings. I sure notice that in public but it doesn't make me lose my head and suddenly turn into some kind of creep.

ETA: Plus one on the wife at home thing. I look at and appreciate my wife's body any time she's doing things around the house but it's not like I always have to touch.
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Originally Posted By HKUSP45C:

For instance, I find my wife to be incredibly attractive. However, when she's walking around the house getting ready to go out and all she's wearing is a pair of panties (or nothing at all) it's not arousing to me. Mostly, I would guess, because she;'s busy finding the right bra or looking for a hair clip or something mundane, she's not trying to be sexy. It's the same with strange women, they don't suddenly become sexy just because I don't know them and they are nude.

Frankly, if I got aroused every time I saw my wife naked we'd never go anywhere.

To me, it's just about self control. If any guy can look at his sister without popping a tent in his pants then he should be able to do the same for any other situation. It is possible to look at, appreciate, and think a nice female body is sexy without getting aroused or starting to imagine doing naughty things with her. Don't want over share here but I've got a thing for short, tight skirts and stockings. I sure notice that in public but it doesn't make me lose my head and suddenly turn into some kind of creep.



Me too. I just don't know why it always bites when I try to pet it.
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