"Motion for contempt of court"

Each and every missed visit, file one.

 I pay. I've been paying for 14 + years. My ex is a stripper and makes more money in one night than I make in an honest, ball-busting, 40+hour week. Problem is, like most strippers, it's cash-money. In the courtroom,"I'm an unemployed, single mom with no income your honor." They get away with it. They always have and always will. Her husband makes more than me also. Between the both of them they are living DAMN good.



  Over the past 12+ years. I've dated about ten single moms. ALL of them were awarded child support and NONE of them are actually recieving it. Like I always say. I am the ONLY person I know that actually pays their child support. And these deadbeats don't get thrown in jail either. They just get away with it. I wish I coud say they get thrown in jail but it seems like courthouse workers are good at nothing more than being ass-holes and angry dykes with a chip on their shoulder and alot to prove. They know they can tell you anything they want because security is on their side.

Never worked for me.  Judge always let her skate.

In the interest of supporting testosterone cammaraderie, here's my 2 cents:

My ex didn't want to pay child support because "I don't want to have to go uot and get a real job, I-5Drive." I said fine. Our kid is 16 and sees him for what he is. Caving to his demands on this and most of the rest of what he wanted in the divorce got me out of the hell we were in.

I'm willing to bet the child support office workers get to see tons of people like him regularly, and men who want to support their kids are a rarity there. I'm also willing to bet most women wouldn't give up so much material stuff to get out.

Do the right thing, stand up for yourself when it counts, and don't talk smack to your kids about their other parent, no matter what.

State was taking my money(PFD's) and giving it directly to the meth head mother and not crediting my account. Fucking lawyer charged me $900 just to look at my paperwork and tell me SHE couldn't help me.

I pay $1,875 per month child support + health insurance + private school tuition. All of this (as you know) is after taxes I wish I was the custodial parent getting $22,500 + insurance from my ex!!!!!

I love my kids dearly and I've never missed a payment, but $1875.00 per month and I only get to see them every other weekend and 30 days in the Summer....WTF! My ex lives in a very nice home that I bought before our separation and subsequent divorce. I allowed her to stay home for 15 years while I worked my ass off. Yes, she took care of my kids and I realized that's a job in and of itself and I give her credit for it. Now she has a full time job working for her divorce attorney (yeah, I got fucked by my ex's boss). The ex drives a Lexus and doesn't pay a freaking dime towards my kids school tuition or college fund. To digress a bit further...just to poison the waters, the ex spread a bunch of rumors about me at my kids school.

Dad's are always assumed to be the bad guy and that's just fucked up. The family law circle is rigged against even the best of dads.

This. Dependes on where you live.

I'll let you know in another 14.  

Don't want to dredge up bad memories, so I'll just say I was paying for over a year. The ex wasn't getting the money. Attorney for CSEA called making threatening noises about putting me in jail etc. I told him I was coming over to break both his legs because if I was going to jail It was going to be for something I did. He started back pedaling & come to find out his office had misappropriated/misplaced the money. Everything was dropped no appoligies or anything. Asshole has yet to even be able to look me in the eye. I used to smile & wave every time I saw him around town.  
Thank God that chapter in my life is over!
Hessian-1

That's not necessarily true.

My judge actually cares about BOTH parents raising their kids.

Oddly enough, her name is Judge Lawless...

Parenting Time complaint form

In my county you file a complaint and they send it along to the other party and give them a fixed amount of time to respond. If there is no response, or it's BS, it'll go to a hearing. If the other party doesn't show then it goes downhill fast for them. As in "judgement for contempt of court and a bench warrant." It's such an automated process, done by referees, that all the judge ever sees (unless the other party contests the judgement) is a paper to sign off on.

A disappearing Mom would be bad juju for the mother here in my county if the father were to just fill out the paperwork.

More paperwork

Here's the thing.... the guys who are at least somewhat responsible, have decent jobs and seem to care about the kids.... THAT's who the courts and bureaucracy goes after, because they know they're gonna get the money.

The deadbeat part-time carnie worker or the guy who occasionally does roofing for cash under the table?   The courts couldn't care less about them.

Some people can't process the fact that one bad man does not = all men are bad. I have seen some real pieces of work... and I have seen some really great men get fucked over.

It's bitterness, and misguided vengeance. People waste so much energy being nasty. Can you imagine if instead of dishing out shit, they made an effort to better the lives of others? Try bringing joy to the world instead of bile?

Fundamental "truths" of the child support system.

1 The state is worried that they will have to foot the bill for raising the kid.

2 having a man, any man, foot the bill instead of the state is acceptable.

3 All women are fundamentally good mothers.

4 All men are fundamentally bad fathers.

So, do you frequently have fantasies of violence directed at women who force you to take responsibility for you life choices?  Or do you harbor sociopathological rage against all women?

this is a lessons learned in sticking your dick in the crazy.....

Did you read the rest of this thread?

I think the fantasies are warranted...

+1

I have full custody of my son, since the mother is a POS.  When they awarded me custody they said I wont get child supports since she is on welfare and doesn't work I would never see any money anyway.  So he is 9 now and she has never paid a dime for him.  Also she was awarded supervised visitation, the catch I had to pay for someone from the state to supervise the visits!  Luckily she only showed up for like 5 or so visits and haven't heard from her since.


Also I think I'll start looking into getting the old snip.  Hopefully it isn't to pricey.

Day one of nightmare:
I switched jobs and my support orders were re-issued to my new employer. I looked at my paycheck and yep, there was the money being withheld for my current support (and arrears). Cool as a smoothie on a hot Georgia afternoon, right? Nope. It seems that somehow the payments were short by $9 a month. I received a letter from the Georgia support Nazis that stated my DL was to be suspended because of this. Geez, here we go....so I called 'em up. I spoke to two representatives that told me that there was nothing they could do for me unless I paid the FULL arrears by the date on the letter that was sent to me. (30 days was the payment timeline they required). I received the letter with two weeks to go. I freaked out. I tried to explain that I wasn't contesting the payments....just trying to get this all straightened out and get on with my life. They could care less as far as helping me to fix this. I offered to send a check for the total of the delinquent funds.....a total of around  $45. They kept saying that they needed a check for $35,000. Yeah, right. I jokingly asked if they were coming to lock me up next. Affirmative, Sir. I was pretty pissed.....screw it. COME AND GET ME!
Day two of nightmare:  
In steps my wife.  (She's pissed). She calls our Congressman and State Rep's office. She explains that since the amount of the payment as well as the type of payment is completely out of my control.....why am I punished if someone else makes a mistake on getting the funds to where they need to go? Also, since she's a stay at home Mom...when they lock me up; what is she supposed to do with our 3 1/2 year old daughter? A house payment that won't wait on me? Our groceries? Since they said that our vehicle registration (license plates) would be revoked and we are BOTH on the title....how could she even drive?????
The State Rep said he would get back to her.
He showed up at our home a couple of hours later to get copies of the letter that was sent to me.
Day Five of nightmare:
I received a call from the Georgia Support Office. I don't know what my State Rep did.....but my butt was kissed by the person on the other end of the phone. License suspension was pulled.....no more problems and she COULD NOT believe that this all happened over $9 a month.

Call your State Representative if you get caught up in a screwed up issue like mine. If you just don't plan on paying.....he can't help you.
PS:
I love my wife.

My fantasies were far more of a coc violation. My ex was working VERY hard to keep our son to herself. Had the court workers enabled her plan to the point that I wasn't a father anymore, well, let's just say you don't want to leave a person with nothing more to lose.

I lucked out...  Joint legal and physical custody 50/50 split.  No child support.

I remember you talking about it in length a while back. *air hug*

I've been on the fence about getting snipped for months now. This thread has seriously removed the last of my doubts.

Seems like a fucked up system. Which I guess is about normal for anything .gov related. But this seems even more so then normal.

Effective immediately, this thread has inspired me to take a blood vow of celibacy, now and forever.  

You could always just bone M2F post opps.

my ex wife refused to involve dss in her child support. my attorney told her that she had to inform her that if she did not go through dss and I quit paying she would have to sue me for support using her own money. my ex wife's reply was ; "I trust him way more than I could ever trust the DSS, those worthless ass hole's sole purpose is destroying lives."

I lmfao. she then went on to explain that friends have had delayed payments, dss takes 4%, and that she knows I always put my kids first.

my ex after being married to me for 10 years had gotten the whole, "don't invite the man into your life".

the bitch judge that granted divorce was aggravated and could not understand my ex's decision.


so guys,its not all stormy skys.

I've heard it's reversible.

i'm paying 900 a month for one plus 135 for insurance. i get him half the time. i see him less i go to court and have it adjusted to the dss standard of 350 a month. lol

eta; i still come out ahead everymonth than when i was married. funny huh?

My horror story:  a few years ago I paid two months support at once. Fast forward to the 12th of the next month. I'm driving from the hardware store towards my house. County sheriff car lights me up. I pull over, as it happens, right in front of the county jail. Deputy asks for my paperwork, , tells me my plate is obscured with snow  While I dug through my glovebox for my insurance he went to his patrol car and ran my license. I find my insurance card and he walks back up and asks me to step out of the vehicle. He says " turn around a place your hands behind your back, you're under arrest". I asked why and he says I have a bench warrant.
   So I got escorted across the street and into the jail. Processed, strip searched, orange jumpsuit, the whole shebang. I spent three days there before I got to see a judge. Somehow because I paid two months at once it showed I didn't make the next months payment. I'll never do that again

Does that count as "gay?"

 

wow really?

my father always paid twice the amount he was ordered too to my mother. when i moved in with him when i was 14 dss tried to make my mother pay all the over payments back! it took them a year to sort out that my father didn't want the money. the fucking dss sole purpose is to fuck people over, i swear. in ohio it don't matter if you are a man or a woman.

Please don't take this the wrong way as you sound like a nice guy, but I always thought of MI as a liberal shit-hole full of hippies, baby-boomers and muslims. Just doesn't seem like THEY, of all states, would impose that kind of law. FYI, I have plenty of friends from MI, so I don't think I'm just talking out of my ass here.

Loss of freedom due to bureaucratic screw up.

This is where I wis hgovernment couldn't grand themselves immunity. They should be handing you a check when you leave jail, and pay for the tow and impound.

I can only go by my own personal experience and by what's happened to my friends.

My county is actually pretty good about distinguishing good and bad people. Those who are in a position to do the right thing seem to want to do it (there are a couple exceptions, of course, but integrity usually wins by the time all of it gets before my judge).

And yes, some parts of Michigan are leftist shitholes. I don't live in Flint or Detroit, so I'm in an okay area. Even though Lansing is largely Democrat, it's still pretty pro-gun conservative.

Some people don't want kids.





 

I found that out over $5000 a long time ago.  It's funny how the legal fees are so exact...





 

for real... this kind of crap scares the hell out of me

IMO child support should be capped at the rate the average person pays to raise a child.   So the guy that makes $120,000,000,000 a month would only pay the same as a guy who makes $30,000 a year.



Child support should not be a free money ride.  It should offset the cost of raising a kid.



 

I ended up paying just about $90,000 over 18 years. UT said I was like $5K behind when it was calculated at the end, CA said it was $87,000. CA charged day care and child care and used some disgusting interest rate. The bigger issue was that neither of us was a CA resident for many, many years, and she never once allowed a visit, but that was all OK as long as they got their payment. It's called NON CUSTODIAL DISCRIMINATION to take a divorce decree, decide you are going to enforce the parts pertaining to her, and not the other party's rights. Was her credit marked for not allowing visitation? no. Was mine for missing a few payments over the years? Yes, twice in the Judgment area of my credit AND twice in the open credit case section.

Turns out she never got her shit together, is still a bitter piece of shit, and took a $5,000 settlement check to go away forever and dismiss all claims. She was desperate and that seemed like a lot of money I guess.

If a government agency is going to get involved and enforce a private party's contract or decree, they need to offer the same service for the non-custodial parent.

As for all the other claims, it's pretty simple to keep your own records based on pay stubs showing a garnishment, or to get the records from the ORS themselves. Either they keep track, or don't. Not much room for error on the state's part. They just enforce the support order in the decree or what the other state says they need to collect. One state must honor another's order.

Non-Custodial Discrimination. My son was the real loser for not getting to know me sooner or learn many things from me that he learned from others.....like shooting. I will be giving him continuing lessons, however.

good points.

the lawyers have rigged the system by placing couples in immediate and constant conflict.

in mother Russia child pay you support

Withdrawn...no reason to stir up the hornets.

Yeah, and plenty of women keep said children around as a fucking meal ticket, while ignoring their duty to raise the child.

Too late.  I has seen it

I want to proudly state that my brothers divorce last week ended in her paying HIM C/S..

I pay that for one kid every two weeks.