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Originally Posted By BlueJames:
Ask yourself this... would you let your wife go through that machine? Knowing that dudes would be looking at her butt naked?

OMG, that's like totally porno!

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTLO-TC_NKfIwmCwTp_2u3kqzs8MQmReQFuPUGtwTtb2aAzttk&t=1&usg=___0ebrDm68FIK4tTb5GU8x4e6Amw=

http://lastpostofsanity.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/airport_xray_scanner.jpg



Might even be able to see if she's wearing a thong or granny panties.


To be fair, if my wife looked like that, I wouldn't want anyone to know it either......
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from what I have heard they could count the veins on my dick and those sample photo's are not representive of the mm wave machines true ability
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Posted: 10/19/2010 11:53:49 AM
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Should I have to make that decision, I will opt out of the scanner and let someone fondle my junk, just on principle.


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Better yet, pinch off a loaf while they're fondling. Don't leave the TSA monkeys empty-handed.
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Posted: 10/19/2010 11:54:56 AM
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Did it occur to them that the pilot doesn't need to bring a weapon.....he fucking is at the controls of a more powerful weapon than he could possibly smuggle.

DUMBASSES.....that is a term that doesn't adequately describe just how dumb those guys was.


Uh, krpind, don't you realize how dangerous weapons are?? I mean, if he smuggled a pistol on board, the terrible thing might have held him hostage, or shot him or something!
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Posted: 10/19/2010 11:55:34 AM
Originally Posted By Chairborne:

Originally Posted By BlueJames:
Ask yourself this... would you let your wife go through that machine? Knowing that dudes would be looking at her butt naked?

OMG, that's like totally porno!

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTLO-TC_NKfIwmCwTp_2u3kqzs8MQmReQFuPUGtwTtb2aAzttk&t=1&usg=___0ebrDm68FIK4tTb5GU8x4e6Amw=

http://lastpostofsanity.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/airport_xray_scanner.jpg



Might even be able to see if she's wearing a thong or granny panties.


Yeah, I actually would not want my wife going through that.
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Posted: 10/19/2010 11:55:37 AM
He had balls to stand up for what he believed in.. That's alot more than I could say for most.

The question with these machines & policies is how far is too far??

In one hand we want to fly securely & the only way that happens is if everybody gets screened properly.

On the other hand, machines that can look through clothing??

Next thing they'll have are machines that can read our thoughts
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Originally Posted By 4Kilo12:
from what I have heard they could count the veins on my dick and those sample photo's are not representive of the mm wave machines true ability

Horseshit. They reduced the resolution on the machines specifically for that reason. If you google it you can see the full/high res pictures, it's still nowhere as detailed as you think it is, except for hard metallic objects. If you had it bronzed you might be right.
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Posted: 10/19/2010 11:56:26 AM

Originally Posted By Chairborne:

Originally Posted By BlueJames:
Ask yourself this... would you let your wife go through that machine? Knowing that dudes would be looking at her butt naked?

OMG, that's like totally porno!

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTLO-TC_NKfIwmCwTp_2u3kqzs8MQmReQFuPUGtwTtb2aAzttk&t=1&usg=___0ebrDm68FIK4tTb5GU8x4e6Amw=

http://lastpostofsanity.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/airport_xray_scanner.jpg



Might even be able to see if she's wearing a thong or granny panties.

Have kids?


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Posted: 10/19/2010 11:56:36 AM
That pilot is a moran.

All he had to do was politely ask to see the shift supervisor and then ask the shift supervisor when the TSA procedures had changed ( because they haven't ) .

It would have all been solved at that point.


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Posted: 10/19/2010 11:57:02 AM
Originally Posted By Stegadeth:
Originally Posted By Chairborne:

Originally Posted By BlueJames:
Ask yourself this... would you let your wife go through that machine? Knowing that dudes would be looking at her butt naked?

OMG, that's like totally porno!

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTLO-TC_NKfIwmCwTp_2u3kqzs8MQmReQFuPUGtwTtb2aAzttk&t=1&usg=___0ebrDm68FIK4tTb5GU8x4e6Amw=

http://lastpostofsanity.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/airport_xray_scanner.jpg



Might even be able to see if she's wearing a thong or granny panties.


Yeah, I actually would not want my wife going through that.


Why not? She must be a terrorist if you think that way!

SIlly terrorists, wanting civil liberties and human dignity......
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Posted: 10/19/2010 11:57:22 AM
Good thing they stopped him. He could have had a weapon and taken control of the aircraft.
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At least they aren't forcing people to choose between traveling or being humiliated.

They should offer flu shots at the end of the TSA line, for The Greater Good.
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Good thing they stopped him. He could have had a weapon and taken control of the aircraft.


I know right
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I will be flying on Saturday, if I get a pat down I am going to personally choose who does it as long as she is hot looking!
He said "Yes you did" I said "No I didn't" she said "Yes you did" then I said "Nuh uh" they said "Uh huh" then I said, If it is gonna be that kind of party I'm stickin my dick in the mashed potatoes.
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Originally Posted By scotchymcdrinkerbean:
Originally Posted By krpind:
Did it occur to them that the pilot doesn't need to bring a weapon.....he fucking is at the controls of a more powerful weapon than he could possibly smuggle.

DUMBASSES.....that is a term that doesn't adequately describe just how dumb those guys was.


Uh, krpind, don't you realize how dangerous weapons are?? I mean, if he smuggled a pistol on board, the terrible thing might have held him hostage, or shot him or something!


Yeah..I mean he could have used it to kill a few passengers......

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I will be flying on Saturday, if I get a pat down I am going to personally choose who does it as long as she is hot looking!




That must be an incredibly fucking sad lonely life you live.
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Have kids?



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SEPTEMBER 14––The airport screener arrested for assaulting a coworker who taunted him about the size of his penis after his genitalia was exposed by a full-body scanner told police that he snapped after being subjected to “psychological torture” by fellow Transportation Security Administration employees who repeatedly asked him, “What size are you?”

In a handwritten statement given to cops following his May arrest, Rolando Negrin, 45, described the fallout after he walked through a high-tech "whole body image" scanner during a training session for TSA workers at Miami International Airport. Negrin’s statement to Miami-Dade Police Department officers, excerpted here, was obtained via a Freedom of Information Act request. The original police report detailing the incident can be found here.

Negrin wrote that, despite his pleas, coworkers would not cease mocking him after the scanner gave them a revealing look at his genitalia. He recalled that he was mockingly asked, “Roly, what size are you?” Coworkers, he added, called him “little angry man,” laughed off his pleas for compassion, and abused him in front of passengers.

The merciless teasing and “psychological torture,” Negrin stated, left him stressed out and with elevated blood pressure. When he confronted his chief tormentor, Negrin said the man laughed at him. Negrin, pictured in the above mug shot, later allegedly attacked fellow TSA screener Hugo Osorno in an airport parking lot, striking him with a police baton while demanding an apology.

According to court records, Negrin is scheduled for an October 25 trial hearing in Miami-Dade Circuit Court. Reached by phone this afternoon at his Hialeah Gardens home, Negrin declined to answer questions about the case. “I do not wish to talk to anyone about my issues,” he said.

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Posted: 10/19/2010 12:05:02 PM
Originally Posted By BlueJames:
Ask yourself this... would you let your wife go through that machine? Knowing that dudes would be looking at her butt naked?


What about a child? Do they send kids through that machine? Think if you have a 16 year old daughter. I am guessing that they have male agents look at males being scanned and women looking at women but that is just a guess.

Still, the scan is BS.
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If I am getting a pat down, it means I am in handcuffs and about to go for a ride in some form of law enforcement vehicle, having been accused of a crime or am being detained by a certified LEO with those powers. That is the only time that treatment is legal.


I have a pacemaker, I get patted down every time I fly.
It is no big deal and the procedure is really non invasive to a normal person.

My issue with this procedure doesn't even get that far... it's the principle to me. Being a law-abiding citizen and having committed no crime...

What is the difference between the physical treatment a drug-dealer that just got busted received... and of you, on your way to Pebble Beach to play golf? I don't see any... hands on your body, looking for tools of criminal behavior and bad intentions.


Because you have no 'right' to travel by private air craft. You either abide by the requirements to board private property or you don't go and are free to leave.

It isn't a freedom thing. Nobody is demanding a strip search as you walk down a public way. You have a right to travel freely, just not on a private company's air plane. It isn't even public transportation where you still have to where shoes and a shirt.



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Originally Posted By Chairborne:

Originally Posted By Badseed:

Have kids?



What's that got to do with the price of tea in China?

Nothing to do with any beverage ingredients or Countries.

I am guessing no, you don't have kids.

I certainly do not want my children being photographed like that.... No matter how well intentioned the motive.
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There are currently 322 users browsing this thread. (2 members and 320 guests)


People are watching.


Sorry.

I wasn't logged in.

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Originally Posted By Badseed:

Originally Posted By krpind:
Originally Posted By Badseed:



If I am getting a pat down, it means I am in handcuffs and about to go for a ride in some form of law enforcement vehicle, having been accused of a crime or am being detained by a certified LEO with those powers. That is the only time that treatment is legal.


I have a pacemaker, I get patted down every time I fly.
It is no big deal and the procedure is really non invasive to a normal person.

My issue with this procedure doesn't even get that far... it's the principle to me. Being a law-abiding citizen and having committed no crime...

What is the difference between the physical treatment a drug-dealer that just got busted received... and of you, on your way to Pebble Beach to play golf? I don't see any... hands on your body, looking for tools of criminal behavior and bad intentions.


Because you have no 'right' to travel by private air craft. You either abide by the requirements to board private property or you don't go and are free to leave.

It isn't a freedom thing. Nobody is demanding a strip search as you walk down a public way. You have a right to travel freely, just not on a private company's air plane. It isn't even public transportation where you still have to where shoes and a shirt.



Splittin' that hair mighty thin there, since the private property owner is not the one making the decisions about requirements to board said private property.
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Originally Posted By TexasSmooth:
I, unfortunately, am scheduled to fly in a couple months. The first time in years.

So I can tell these morons I don't want to go through the body scanner? Which they label as an opt-out? What do they do instead? Just the wanding or will they put their hands on me patting me down as if I were under arrest?

Yes. You get the hand-wand and a pat down.

FWIW, I've been "selected for random additional screening" several times. Every pat down I ever had was a complete joke and would not have found anything I had made any effort to hide. They swept me with the wand first, but weapons are not necessarily made of metal.

Since they normally do these in full view of everyone waiting to go through the metal detector, [b]I'm convinced their only intent is to make people think they're doing their job.[/b]


And there you have it. I get pulled aside for additional screening nearly every time I fly due to the nature of what I carry for my business. The TSA is all about the appearance of security. Aside from the basic metal detection, I don't believe that we are one iota safer due to any of these new measures, and as most in this thread are pointing out we are ceding a substantial amount of liberty to enjoy the product that the airlines deliver. I would not have such a problem with it if it was just the corporate policy of the airlines rather than the social welfare jobs program that the TSA exemplifies.
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Originally Posted By Mach:
Originally Posted By Badseed:

Originally Posted By krpind:
Originally Posted By Badseed:



If I am getting a pat down, it means I am in handcuffs and about to go for a ride in some form of law enforcement vehicle, having been accused of a crime or am being detained by a certified LEO with those powers. That is the only time that treatment is legal.


I have a pacemaker, I get patted down every time I fly.
It is no big deal and the procedure is really non invasive to a normal person.

My issue with this procedure doesn't even get that far... it's the principle to me. Being a law-abiding citizen and having committed no crime...

What is the difference between the physical treatment a drug-dealer that just got busted received... and of you, on your way to Pebble Beach to play golf? I don't see any... hands on your body, looking for tools of criminal behavior and bad intentions.


Because you have no 'right' to travel by private air craft. You either abide by the requirements to board private property or you don't go and are free to leave.

It isn't a freedom thing. Nobody is demanding a strip search as you walk down a public way. You have a right to travel freely, just not on a private company's air plane. It isn't even public transportation where you still have to where shoes and a shirt.



Your arguement would be more apt if the TSA was run or required by the airlines.
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Originally Posted By Mach:
Originally Posted By Badseed:

Originally Posted By krpind:
Originally Posted By Badseed:



If I am getting a pat down, it means I am in handcuffs and about to go for a ride in some form of law enforcement vehicle, having been accused of a crime or am being detained by a certified LEO with those powers. That is the only time that treatment is legal.


I have a pacemaker, I get patted down every time I fly.
It is no big deal and the procedure is really non invasive to a normal person.

My issue with this procedure doesn't even get that far... it's the principle to me. Being a law-abiding citizen and having committed no crime...

What is the difference between the physical treatment a drug-dealer that just got busted received... and of you, on your way to Pebble Beach to play golf? I don't see any... hands on your body, looking for tools of criminal behavior and bad intentions.


Because you have no 'right' to travel by private air craft. You either abide by the requirements to board private property or you don't go and are free to leave.

It isn't a freedom thing. Nobody is demanding a strip search as you walk down a public way. You have a right to travel freely, just not on a private company's air plane. It isn't even public transportation where you still have to where shoes and a shirt.


You have a valid point - but, my concern is where this will overflow to.

They are already running back-scatter vans in certain areas of the country... if this stayed in the airport, then fine - but this is the camel getting his nose under the tent... under the guise of the greater good.

American Science & Engineering, a company based in Billerica, Massachusetts, has sold U.S. and foreign government agencies more than 500 backscatter x-ray scanners mounted in vans that can be driven past neighboring vehicles to see their contents, Joe Reiss, a vice president of marketing at the company told me in an interview. While the biggest buyer of AS&E’s machines over the last seven years has been the Department of Defense operations in Afghanistan and Iraq, Reiss says law enforcement agencies have also deployed the vans to search for vehicle-based bombs in the U.S.


http://blogs.forbes.com/andygreenberg/2010/08/24/full-body-scan-technology-deployed-in-street-roving-vans/
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Originally Posted By Mach:
Originally Posted By Badseed:

Originally Posted By krpind:
Originally Posted By Badseed:



If I am getting a pat down, it means I am in handcuffs and about to go for a ride in some form of law enforcement vehicle, having been accused of a crime or am being detained by a certified LEO with those powers. That is the only time that treatment is legal.


I have a pacemaker, I get patted down every time I fly.
It is no big deal and the procedure is really non invasive to a normal person.

My issue with this procedure doesn't even get that far... it's the principle to me. Being a law-abiding citizen and having committed no crime...

What is the difference between the physical treatment a drug-dealer that just got busted received... and of you, on your way to Pebble Beach to play golf? I don't see any... hands on your body, looking for tools of criminal behavior and bad intentions.


Because you have no 'right' to travel by private air craft. You either abide by the requirements to board private property or you don't go and are free to leave.

It isn't a freedom thing. Nobody is demanding a strip search as you walk down a public way. You have a right to travel freely, just not on a private company's air plane. It isn't even public transportation where you still have to where shoes and a shirt.



There are the points that go over everyone's head.
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Posted: 10/19/2010 12:14:24 PM

Originally Posted By Badseed:

Originally Posted By Chairborne:

Originally Posted By BlueJames:
Ask yourself this... would you let your wife go through that machine? Knowing that dudes would be looking at her butt naked?

OMG, that's like totally porno!

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTLO-TC_NKfIwmCwTp_2u3kqzs8MQmReQFuPUGtwTtb2aAzttk&t=1&usg=___0ebrDm68FIK4tTb5GU8x4e6Amw=

http://lastpostofsanity.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/airport_xray_scanner.jpg



Might even be able to see if she's wearing a thong or granny panties.

Have kids?




Didn't the UK ban the use of these scanners on passengers under 18 because they violated British child pron laws or was that ban over turned?
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What an idiot.
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Originally Posted By Mach:
Originally Posted By Badseed:

Originally Posted By krpind:
Originally Posted By Badseed:



If I am getting a pat down, it means I am in handcuffs and about to go for a ride in some form of law enforcement vehicle, having been accused of a crime or am being detained by a certified LEO with those powers. That is the only time that treatment is legal.


I have a pacemaker, I get patted down every time I fly.
It is no big deal and the procedure is really non invasive to a normal person.

My issue with this procedure doesn't even get that far... it's the principle to me. Being a law-abiding citizen and having committed no crime...

What is the difference between the physical treatment a drug-dealer that just got busted received... and of you, on your way to Pebble Beach to play golf? I don't see any... hands on your body, looking for tools of criminal behavior and bad intentions.


Because you have no 'right' to travel by private air craft. You either abide by the requirements to board private property or you don't go and are free to leave.

It isn't a freedom thing. Nobody is demanding a strip search as you walk down a public way. You have a right to travel freely, just not on a private company's air plane. It isn't even public transportation where you still have to where shoes and a shirt.



Your arguement would be more apt if the TSA was run or required by the airlines.


The pre-cursor to the TSA was run and hired by the airlines. Most of them were foreign nationals and most could not speak english, never mind do a background check on them.

Even the the feds make and enforce the rules, it is still a private property and private for hire transportation. I don't like it any more than anybody else. I especially don't like the x-ray dose those things give. I think it is an infringement on my privacy, and so is NOT PROFILING the THREAT.


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Imagine if every pilot did that? A return to sanity, common sense and respect for personal rights would be too much to ask for though
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Posted: 10/19/2010 12:18:51 PM
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Because you have no 'right' to travel by private air craft. You either abide by the requirements to board private property or you don't go and are free to leave.



No government money has gone to the airlines? My money?

They're one step away from being Amtrak.


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Posted: 10/19/2010 12:19:36 PM
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I actually read the whole thing. That guy is a loon and I'm glad he will no longer be flying aircraft that I may be traveling on. He must have one teeny tiny pecker to be such a douche about refusing not only the scanner but the pat down as well.

I'm not really sure how you would draw that conclusion...

Those scans are a rights violation. If the public uproar gets louder, the TSAs ability to explain things away gets muffled.

I have to commend him for his decision... you may be OK, with having your rights trampled and privacy invaded - I'm not.


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Posted: 10/19/2010 12:21:20 PM
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Imagine if every pilot did that? A return to sanity, common sense and respect for personal rights would be too much to ask for though


Every pilot doesn't have to do that,

That pilot is an idiot. there are special rules for pilots and what he described is not them. All he had to do was politely ask to speak with the shift supervisor and the supervisor would have corrected the idiot TSA person for not knowing the procedures.

But instead he has to be an ass. And his wording about how he hasn't blown up an airplane to the TSA people should get him fired on the spot.


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Posted: 10/19/2010 12:21:57 PM
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Originally Posted By Mach:
Originally Posted By Badseed:

Originally Posted By krpind:
Originally Posted By Badseed:



If I am getting a pat down, it means I am in handcuffs and about to go for a ride in some form of law enforcement vehicle, having been accused of a crime or am being detained by a certified LEO with those powers. That is the only time that treatment is legal.


I have a pacemaker, I get patted down every time I fly.
It is no big deal and the procedure is really non invasive to a normal person.

My issue with this procedure doesn't even get that far... it's the principle to me. Being a law-abiding citizen and having committed no crime...

What is the difference between the physical treatment a drug-dealer that just got busted received... and of you, on your way to Pebble Beach to play golf? I don't see any... hands on your body, looking for tools of criminal behavior and bad intentions.


Because you have no 'right' to travel by private air craft. You either abide by the requirements to board private property or you don't go and are free to leave.

It isn't a freedom thing. Nobody is demanding a strip search as you walk down a public way. You have a right to travel freely, just not on a private company's air plane. It isn't even public transportation where you still have to where shoes and a shirt.



Your arguement would be more apt if the TSA was run or required by the airlines.


The pre-cursor to the TSA was run and hired by the airlines. Most of them were foreign nationals and most could not speak english, never mind do a background check on them.

Even the the feds make and enforce the rules, it is still a private property and private for hire transportation. I don't like it any more than anybody else. I especially don't like the x-ray dose those things give. I think it is an infringement on my privacy, and so is NOT PROFILING the THREAT.


The fact that it was in the past run by the airlines themselves does not make the constitutional issues once the government takes it over any less valid.

Would the searches withstand constituional muster if the local PD started Terry searching every person before boarding and running them for warrants?
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Posted: 10/19/2010 12:23:03 PM
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Because you have no 'right' to travel by private air craft. You either abide by the requirements to board private property or you don't go and are free to leave.



No government money has gone to the airlines? My money?

They're one step away from being Amtrak.




Nope. not a dime. Some airlines got some cash post 911 (not all ) and it was a loan and all paid off less than 2 years later in full. If anything it's the other way around. About 40% of the ticket price you pay is federal taxes.


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Posted: 10/19/2010 12:25:03 PM
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That pilot is a moran.

All he had to do was politely ask to see the shift supervisor and then ask the shift supervisor when the TSA procedures had changed ( because they haven't ) .

It would have all been solved at that point.


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Posted: 10/19/2010 12:27:46 PM

Originally Posted By SmilingBandit:
Originally Posted By Mach:
Originally Posted By SmilingBandit:
Originally Posted By Mach:
Originally Posted By Badseed:

Originally Posted By krpind:
Originally Posted By Badseed:



If I am getting a pat down, it means I am in handcuffs and about to go for a ride in some form of law enforcement vehicle, having been accused of a crime or am being detained by a certified LEO with those powers. That is the only time that treatment is legal.


I have a pacemaker, I get patted down every time I fly.
It is no big deal and the procedure is really non invasive to a normal person.

My issue with this procedure doesn't even get that far... it's the principle to me. Being a law-abiding citizen and having committed no crime...

What is the difference between the physical treatment a drug-dealer that just got busted received... and of you, on your way to Pebble Beach to play golf? I don't see any... hands on your body, looking for tools of criminal behavior and bad intentions.


Because you have no 'right' to travel by private air craft. You either abide by the requirements to board private property or you don't go and are free to leave.

It isn't a freedom thing. Nobody is demanding a strip search as you walk down a public way. You have a right to travel freely, just not on a private company's air plane. It isn't even public transportation where you still have to where shoes and a shirt.



Your arguement would be more apt if the TSA was run or required by the airlines.


The pre-cursor to the TSA was run and hired by the airlines. Most of them were foreign nationals and most could not speak english, never mind do a background check on them.

Even the the feds make and enforce the rules, it is still a private property and private for hire transportation. I don't like it any more than anybody else. I especially don't like the x-ray dose those things give. I think it is an infringement on my privacy, and so is NOT PROFILING the THREAT.


The fact that it was in the past run by the airlines themselves does not make the constitutional issues once the government takes it over any less valid.

Would the searches withstand constituional muster if the local PD started Terry searching every person before boarding and running them for warrants?
Nobody is "running you for warrants". Should you wish to enter a private nightclub in most major cities you will either go through a metal detector, be wanded, or be patted down, or a combination of those. Should it be illegal for private establishments to make their own rules for entry to their premises?

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Posted: 10/19/2010 12:28:04 PM
Originally Posted By UBB:
Originally Posted By Mach:
That pilot is a moran.

All he had to do was politely ask to see the shift supervisor and then ask the shift supervisor when the TSA procedures had changed ( because they haven't ) .

It would have all been solved at that point.


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TSA is composed of and run by a bunch of fucking idiots.

Like the captain of an airplane needs to be searched. Wait, they should be searched, to make sure they are packing!
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Posted: 10/19/2010 12:31:01 PM
Originally Posted By Mach:
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Originally Posted By Mach:

Because you have no 'right' to travel by private air craft. You either abide by the requirements to board private property or you don't go and are free to leave.



No government money has gone to the airlines? My money?

They're one step away from being Amtrak.




Nope. not a dime. Some airlines got some cash post 911 (not all ) and it was a loan and all paid off less than 2 years later in full. If anything it's the other way around. About 40% of the ticket price you pay is federal taxes.




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Posted: 10/19/2010 12:31:35 PM
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I actually read the whole thing. That guy is a loon and I'm glad he will no longer be flying aircraft that I may be traveling on. He must have one teeny tiny pecker to be such a douche about refusing not only the scanner but the pat down as well.

I'm not really sure how you would draw that conclusion...

Those scans are a rights violation. If the public uproar gets louder, the TSAs ability to explain things away gets muffled.

I have to commend him for his decision... you may be OK, with having your rights trampled and privacy invaded - I'm not.

If you read the whole thing and can't find the logical inconsistencies then I can't help. He refuses the scanner (so what, I don't care). Then he refuses a pat down (why?). Later on he claims that TSA just wouldn't be happy until they saw him naked. Is he such a moron that he doesn't understand that a pat down is not a strip search? I get patted down going into nightclubs in most cities, it's not a big deal. I'm not embarrassed about my body, so I don't have one iota of problem standing in the scanner, as I've done many times.


Your willingness to submit to such intrusions is not grounds to force others to do the same.

I "submit to such intrusions" because it is required of my service to the US military. Likewise this douche has to comply with the standards as a condition of his employment. Like I said, good riddance to bad rubbish. There are plenty of pilots waiting on the furlough list to take his job. He knew he'd be subject to security screenings daily when he took the job.


Well, at least we know you didn't fight for liberty.

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Nobody is "running you for warrants". Should you wish to enter a private nightclub in most major cities you will either go through a metal detector, be wanded, or be patted down, or a combination of those. Should it be illegal for private establishments to make their own rules for entry to their premises?



Should the government make it a requirement for, providing the personnel and equipment, nightclubs to search customers then it would have the same constitutional concerns. The fact that it is a federal requirement for part 121 carriers to use the government screening does not make it a private affair.
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And now they can even keep the naked pics of the girls they like. "For training purposes" of course.
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Posted: 10/19/2010 12:33:02 PM
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That pilot is a moran.

All he had to do was politely ask to see the shift supervisor and then ask the shift supervisor when the TSA procedures had changed ( because they haven't ) .

It would have all been solved at that point.


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and you call yourself an arfcommer? The shame.


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Posted: 10/19/2010 12:33:41 PM

Originally Posted By SmilingBandit:
Originally Posted By Chairborne:
Nobody is "running you for warrants". Should you wish to enter a private nightclub in most major cities you will either go through a metal detector, be wanded, or be patted down, or a combination of those. Should it be illegal for private establishments to make their own rules for entry to their premises?



Should the government make it a requirement for, providing the personnel and equipment, nightclubs to search customers then it would have the same constitutional concerns. The fact that it is a federal requirement for part 121 carriers to use the government screening does not make it a private affair.
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Posted: 10/19/2010 12:34:43 PM

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Cool way to quit your job..


Need to read when I am not driving for more witty comments later


TSA can not detain a person if I am wrong then please post the TSA policy of UOF and their UOF continum




I'm gonna go with, they'll do what ever the hell they want so long as they have real cops on standby to back them up.



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Posted: 10/19/2010 12:36:13 PM
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from what I have heard they could count the veins on my dick and those sample photo's are not representive of the mm wave machines true ability

Horseshit. They reduced the resolution on the machines specifically for that reason. If you google it you can see the full/high res pictures, it's still nowhere as detailed as you think it is, except for hard metallic objects. If you had it bronzed you might be right.


So the .gov has no reason to say that they reduced the resolution, but who is to say that once they are common place the resolution doesn't go up?

As.a service member and corporate pilot, I say that the two are not even remotely common and your service and it's duties do not mean that the citizen is forced to do the same as you were.

I give the pilot thumbs up for standing up for what HE believes in, and what i suspect most of us thing is totally bullshit as well.

This is a discusting trend in our country. Absolutley discusting.

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So what if he didn't want to be patted down. HE'S A PILOT!

Once in the air, he could fly it to anywhere he wanted, or crash it into a building.

The TSA are idiots.
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Posted: 10/19/2010 12:38:08 PM
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http://blogs.smh.com.au/mashup/images/applause.gif

Imagine if every pilot did that? A return to sanity, common sense and respect for personal rights would be too much to ask for though


Every pilot doesn't have to do that,

That pilot is an idiot. there are special rules for pilots and what he described is not them. All he had to do was politely ask to speak with the shift supervisor and the supervisor would have corrected the idiot TSA person for not knowing the procedures.

But instead he has to be an ass. And his wording about how he hasn't blown up an airplane to the TSA people should get him fired on the spot.


Do you work for TSA by any chance?
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