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Posted: 3/4/2010 10:47:48 AM EST
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Posted: 3/4/2010 10:49:52 AM EST
Maybe that'll drive down the price of uppers to something I can afford.

Also, declining gun-ownership? Pfft.
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Posted: 3/4/2010 10:50:01 AM EST
I like how that moron attributes the surge of gun purchases to the N RA

I wish I had money to take advantage of the market.
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Posted: 3/4/2010 10:50:08 AM EST
LOL!

Without this article I might have bought another AR
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Posted: 3/4/2010 10:50:12 AM EST
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Posted: 3/4/2010 10:51:15 AM EST
I like how they reference the vpc's stupid study to say firearm ownship is declining, even when every other media source clearly shows it on the rise. But that's Huffpo for you.
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Posted: 3/4/2010 10:51:47 AM EST
Originally Posted By LoBrau:
Maybe that'll drive down the price of uppers to something I can afford.

Also, declining gun-ownership? Pfft.


He's slightly wrong. The public bought all they could afford, not all they wanted. Money is tight, that's all. It's the same reason ammo prices are dropping. Soon you'll see people selling from their ammo hoards to get cash.
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Posted: 3/4/2010 10:51:55 AM EST
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Posted: 3/4/2010 10:52:44 AM EST
Yeah one company that apparently had a poor business model closes.That really shows a total market collapse. Maybe if they hadn't overproduced by so much and were not behind on the demand push...

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Posted: 3/4/2010 10:53:48 AM EST
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I guess I shouldn't be surprised that the media doesn't understand capitalism.
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Posted: 3/4/2010 10:54:05 AM EST
what do you expect from huffington? pro-gun news? the truth?
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Posted: 3/4/2010 10:54:48 AM EST
I'm still buying, I know others who are as well...
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Posted: 3/4/2010 10:55:27 AM EST
many of us called this a couple years ago and refrained from purchasing during the panic...

prices have leveled out, good deals are to be found all over the EE and locally in person, and inventories have been replenished...

it only makes sense that a company that jumped in head first to make a quick buck would soon fail...
I give CD a lot of credit for coming into a saturated market and using input from the user community to build a decent rifle...
unfortunately Charles Daly didn't have any kind of reputation in the AR market, i think that played heavily into their failure...
look at companies like BCM or Spike's or DD or Larue Tactical, they all started in niche markets related to the AR15 and over the past two-three years have all introduced their own AR variants and are doing VERY well...
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Posted: 3/4/2010 10:55:36 AM EST
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Yea, that article's bullshit. I ordered an upper from Bushmaster the other day and they have a 2 week backlog waiting for more barrels to come in.
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Posted: 3/4/2010 10:55:44 AM EST
I'll bet it was people "double backordering", and canceling one of the orders when the other got filled.
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Posted: 3/4/2010 10:55:53 AM EST
You had me until Huffington Post.

I have no desire to pollute my mind with anything written by those illogical douche bags.
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Posted: 3/4/2010 10:56:19 AM EST
lots of people will no longer discuss whether or not they have a firearms with outsiders so statics would reflect less firearm ownership will be misleading. it sounds funny that lack of sales is causing the down turn.
plus lack of affordable ammo may have the largest effect on gun sales
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Posted: 3/4/2010 10:56:22 AM EST
why wasn't this warehouse full of guns "nobody wanted" not liquidated via fire-sale prices on the internet?

I would have bought... a few.
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Posted: 3/4/2010 10:56:34 AM EST
I feel for Kassnar - I do.

However... the entire industry knew that EBR sales were in a blow-off parabolic direction, and that NEVER lasts forever. (See also "crisis, housing.")

Kassnar's timing couldn't have been worse. It was a business decision and it didn't go as planned. Basically CD got whipsawed, caught a falling knife, etc.

It's how business works.
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Posted: 3/4/2010 10:56:59 AM EST
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Posted: 3/4/2010 10:57:23 AM EST
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Yeah one company that apparently had a poor business model closes.That really shows a total market collapse. Maybe if they hadn't overproduced by so much and were not behind on the demand push...

Economics fail.


This. Daley had the misfortune/bad sense to try and first enter the AR market right when the boom ended and the market was saturated with inventory from the established manufacturers. This combined with economic collapse left them high and dry. Simple market economics.
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Posted: 3/4/2010 10:58:08 AM EST
I wonder when the bank sale is and how little "$8million" dollars worth of AR's will sell for? If the auction company was smart they would spam Arfcom.
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Posted: 3/4/2010 10:58:28 AM EST
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Posted: 3/4/2010 10:59:00 AM EST
Hey Josh you cock sucker...Its a semi automatic rifle...Not fucking Assault Weapon you twat!
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Posted: 3/4/2010 11:00:18 AM EST

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Posted: 3/4/2010 11:01:35 AM EST

Originally Posted By LoBrau:
Maybe that'll drive down the price of uppers to something I can afford.


Would be nice. I have two lowers just begging to be mated....
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Posted: 3/4/2010 11:02:19 AM EST
Well, I can admit I bought a whole lot more from Oct 2008 to Oct 2009 than I will in the Oct 2009 to Oct 2010 year. Then again, it wasn't just the politics that drove me to buy at a high rate... it was the lack of availability even at high prices. If something came available, I bought it without being very patient.

The NRA had nothing to do with driving me to buy more... it was Obama, Eric Holder and Hilary Clinton. If anything, the NRA was far less worried than I was.

This article seems misleading, beyong the basic observation that demand rises and falls, and some are unprepared for either side of it the curve.

I think demand was PRETTY high still for the 3rd quarter of 2009, so I don't know how anybody ended up with $8 million in rifles that nobody wanted in July. Unless of course they were priced too high or a configuration that nobody was interested in.
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Posted: 3/4/2010 11:02:56 AM EST




i'd wager that most of the people who bought "assault weapons" in a panic after the election aren't NRA members anyhow. this isn't a decline or a collapse in the "assault weapon" market. it's a rapidly growing market that is saturated at the moment.



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Posted: 3/4/2010 11:03:09 AM EST
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why wasn't this warehouse full of guns "nobody wanted" not liquidated via fire-sale prices on the internet?

I would have bought... a few.


Time to start keeping an eye on CDNN.
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Posted: 3/4/2010 11:05:57 AM EST
Josh Sugarmann can fuck off and die.

He is head of a gun control group, and holds one of the few FFL's in DC.

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Posted: 3/4/2010 11:06:17 AM EST
lol, declining ownership.

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Posted: 3/4/2010 11:07:01 AM EST
Josh Sugarman is the person that came up with how to market 'assault rifle' hysteria in the late 80's. He's famous for saying that if it looks like a machine gun, most people will think its a machine gun and that this could be used in efforts to have them banned...
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Posted: 3/4/2010 11:08:45 AM EST
lmao @ declining ownership

I have never seen so many people with guns in my life.
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Posted: 3/4/2010 11:09:47 AM EST
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Josh Sugarmann can fuck off and die.

He is head of a gun control group, and holds one of the few FFL's in DC.


How much for a transfer?

Oh wait, never mind, he won't do them...

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Posted: 3/4/2010 11:10:29 AM EST
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AR's are pretty much my entire business - if your prices are fair, you'll move inventory. Though there has been a noticable slowdown, our last gunshow was all but a sell-out.

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Posted: 3/4/2010 11:10:38 AM EST
"Declining gun ownership" indeed.

In his fucking dreams.
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Posted: 3/4/2010 11:15:55 AM EST
I guess I'm not seeing the decline in price. Can someone point me in the direction of declining prices on AR lowers?
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Posted: 3/4/2010 11:19:02 AM EST
I'm one of those who laughed at the panic buyers and waited for prices to drop. I stocked up in the early 90s with ammo prices super low. After that I could sit around and wait for great deals to replenish. For new shooters, the panic was a disaster. I had several people I taught how to shoot who decided not to buy a gun because ammo costs were so high. Fewer gun owners means fewer people who will never accept limitations to the 2nd. This boom and bust wave hurt more than just CD.
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Posted: 3/4/2010 11:19:35 AM EST
The AR market is the most crowded with brands.

Due to the enormo-popularity of the guns, virtually everyone is making or marketing them now.

One of the weaker players went bust when a sales frenzy petered out? Big deal.

By the way, we were duped by the evil NRA into buying ARs.

The reason I became a life member of the NRA is so I could truthfully tell liberals that fact and watch them sputter with anger and hatred. Well worth the cost.
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Posted: 3/4/2010 11:19:59 AM EST
Declining gun ownership!?!?!?!?!?!


Everybodys got a fucking AR-15 now!

The market is flooded and I will lurk in the shadows until they hit bottom.

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Posted: 3/4/2010 11:20:09 AM EST
Charles Daily wasn't always known for their quality to begin with. People that know about guns are somewhat wherry about the name. I think that ultimately led to their demise.

They seen the AR15 market explode and decided they wanting in. Well, old feelings remained and no one wanted to chance their money on a CD AR15 when they could go out and buy a proven manufacture for less money. In the end CD poured a bunch of money into the market hoping to capitalize and failed.

IMO it was because of the companies past reputation for quality. No one is going to pay $1200 on a gamble.
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Posted: 3/4/2010 11:21:49 AM EST
Declining gun ownership? Holy shit, even the liberal newspapers have been running stories on the surge of new gun owners.
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Posted: 3/4/2010 11:22:23 AM EST
Charles Daly made AR's?
“Make no mistake, tax cheaters cheat us all, and the IRS should enforce our laws to the letter. ” Sen. Tom Daschle, Congressional Record, May 7, 1998, p. S4507
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