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Posted: 1/15/2015 4:43:04 PM EDT
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Don't have a 2015 Gibson... but I've heard that the strings have to be stretched so it takes some time for them to settle in.
Also, as you noted, have to be installed properly as it winds backward doesn't it? Reviews make it seem like it "might" work ok... but I think I'll stick with my dumb, analog tuners. |
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Posted: 1/15/2015 5:02:41 PM EDT
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I like my manumatic tuners,.. Suckers work great and stay in tune.
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Posted: 1/15/2015 5:16:25 PM EDT
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Don't have a 2015 Gibson... but I've heard that the strings have to be stretched so it takes some time for them to settle in. Also, as you noted, have to be installed properly as it winds backward doesn't it? Reviews make it seem like it "might" work ok... but I think I'll stick with my dumb, analog tuners. Yes they wind backwards. But that's not all that's different when installing strings. I'm 90% sure this was not string stretch. I've been replacing stings on guitars since the late 80's. That's why I'm holding out judgement on the new strings. See this for details on how to install the strings. http://images.gibson.com.s3.amazonaws.com/Site-Images/Campaign/GFORCE/Documents/G%20FORCE%20Owner's%20Manual_2.32c.pdf |
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Posted: 1/15/2015 5:17:25 PM EDT
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I like my manumatic tuners,.. Suckers work great and stay in tune. Those aren't an option on the 2015 Gibson's. You get the G-Force or you don't get one. |
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Posted: 1/15/2015 7:28:40 PM EDT
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you should sign up here
The Gforce has been a hit for years....starting with the first generation Robot Les Pauls to the Dusk Tiger to the Firebird X. 
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Posted: 1/15/2015 8:05:54 PM EDT
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I've got a 2015 studio also, just haven't had any issues with staying in tune yet.
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Posted: 1/16/2015 10:24:10 AM EDT
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Ok so far the new strings may have fixed it. The tuning stability was way better last night. The little bit of detuning I experienced last night could have just been string stretch. I'm hopeful at this point. If so it must have been a noob that set up my LP at Gibson...
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Posted: 1/16/2015 12:31:31 PM EDT
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you should sign up here The Gforce has been a hit for years....starting with the first generation Robot Les Pauls to the Dusk Tiger to the Firebird X. I found at least two people complaining and several threads about removing it on that forum. I did not see anything positive in my cursory search. |
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Posted: 1/16/2015 1:47:02 PM EDT
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Did you recalibrate it? Don't know if it'll help but it's say to do it if you change string brands.
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Posted: 1/16/2015 3:31:14 PM EDT
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There is a lot of complaining on the web about this auto tune crap that Gibson is using. If you can't find it, you aren't searching hard enough. FWIW, Gibson says you can deactivate it and use the tuners like normal.
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Posted: 1/16/2015 3:40:29 PM EDT
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My problem wasn't with the ability of the G-Force to tune the guitar. My problem was it would go out of tune in just a few minutes after the device shuts off.
The way it works it you activate it strum and the thing tunes. Then it shuts off. It will not come on again until you activate it again. So my tuning issue was mechanical. Some how the strings were slipping. Yes you can turn the tuners by hand so long as the device is turned off. If you try to tune by hand while the device is on you risk stripping a gear. Also the tuners turn backwards and it's 40 to 1 so it take a lot of turning to tune manually. I read somewhere that on the High B and High E to wrap it around twice above the flange before screwing the lock down. This is what I did with the new strings. I also wrapped the string around the tuning peg a couple times like you would do on normal tuners. Your not supposed to have to do that with the G-Force. |
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Posted: 1/16/2015 3:41:22 PM EDT
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You also don't want to use a peg winder as this will strip the gears out as well.
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Posted: 1/16/2015 10:25:38 PM EDT
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Sounds like more trouble than its worth. Somehow guitars have existed and have stayed in tune for centuries before this robot tuning.
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Posted: 1/17/2015 5:47:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sounds like more trouble than its worth. Somehow guitars have existed and have stayed in tune for centuries before this robot tuning. a robo tuner. When I first started playing guitar in the early 70's I had an E pitch tuning fork that I used to get the first and sixth strings in tune to then tuned all the others to them.
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Posted: 1/17/2015 10:10:19 AM EDT
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uh..no. The guitar as we know it has not been around for centuries. But you are right in that we do not need a robo tuner. When I first started playing guitar in the early 70's I had an E pitch tuning fork that I used to get the first and sixth strings in tune to then tuned all the others to them. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Sounds like more trouble than its worth. Somehow guitars have existed and have stayed in tune for centuries before this robot tuning. sixth strings in tune to then tuned all the others to them. I would have given up at the start if that was how I had to tune. |
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Posted: 1/17/2015 3:31:03 PM EDT
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uh..no. The guitar as we know it has not been around for centuries. But you are right in that we do not need a robo tuner. When I first started playing guitar in the early 70's I had an E pitch tuning fork that I used to get the first and sixth strings in tune to then tuned all the others to them. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Sounds like more trouble than its worth. Somehow guitars have existed and have stayed in tune for centuries before this robot tuning. sixth strings in tune to then tuned all the others to them. I only recently upgraded from my pitch pipe. 
I now have a Snark and am pondering adding a polytune to my pedal board (small but growing). |
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Posted: 1/17/2015 5:00:40 PM EDT
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One of my favorite local shops got some 2015s in in December, and the owner told me that he took a few of them and installed normal Grovers in place of the electronic monstrosity. Apparently they Grovers dropped right in and you can't even tell there was something else on there.
So if I ever wind up with one of these, that's what I'm doing. |
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Posted: 1/19/2015 10:55:43 PM EDT
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Those aren't an option on the 2015 Gibson's. You get the G-Force or you don't get one. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I like my manumatic tuners,.. Suckers work great and stay in tune. Those aren't an option on the 2015 Gibson's. You get the G-Force or you don't get one. And that is exactly why I won't buy any new Gibsons, among other things. |
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Posted: 1/20/2015 3:43:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And that is exactly why I won't buy any new Gibsons, among other things. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I like my manumatic tuners,.. Suckers work great and stay in tune. Those aren't an option on the 2015 Gibson's. You get the G-Force or you don't get one. And that is exactly why I won't buy any new Gibsons, among other things.  Done been offered more for it than what I paid by a large amount.  I told them it wasn't for sale at this time.Poor potato pic does not even come close to the look of this AX in person.   |
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Posted: 1/20/2015 4:17:38 PM EDT
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I have Gibson "Tronical" min-ETune (same as G-Force but 2012 model) and it was ok alone in a quite room but get that on a stage or in the rehearsal room with a bass player thumping and that thing gets all discombobulated.
It's a glorified headstock "vibration" tuner. Mine was free as I won the Les Paul it came on in a contest so I'm not out anything other than the price of a set of standard tuners. I thought the new G-Force version was to be an improvement on the Tronical min-ETune system......maybe not. At least it's removable without impact to the guitar. |
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Posted: 1/20/2015 10:28:03 PM EDT
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I haven't seen much in the way of positive reviews about the 2015 models, everything from fit and finish going (further) down the tubes to the hologram just being plain tacky. In a way I hope my 2013 standard doesn't sell but I need the cash
 . Once I can I'll buy a 2013/2014 with Grover locking tuners when this LP sells.
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Posted: 1/21/2015 10:02:50 AM EDT
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I haven't seen much in the way of positive reviews about the 2015 models, everything from fit and finish going (further) down the tubes to the hologram just being plain tacky. In a way I hope my 2013 standard doesn't sell but I need the cash . Once I can I'll buy a 2013/2014 with Grover locking tuners when this LP sells.I like the wider neck and the brass adjustable nut. So Grover tuners are drop in for a Les Paul? |
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Posted: 1/21/2015 2:09:21 PM EDT
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I've messed around with them a number of times at the music store - they work fine. I just don't see the appeal of having an auto-tuner on a Les Paul - to me, it kills the classic vibe of the entire thing. A Les Paul appeals to me because it's a classic instrument with killer looks and tone - not because it's got added state of the art flare. |
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Posted: 1/21/2015 2:11:51 PM EDT
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I've messed around with them a number of times at the music store - they work fine. I just don't see the appeal of having an auto-tuner on a Les Paul - to me, it kills the classic vibe of the entire thing. A Les Paul appeals to me because it's a classic instrument with killer looks and tone - not because it's got added state of the art flare. The Gibson Les Paul is the 1911 of the guitar world - there are so many better options out there that cost less, weigh less, produce the same tone (and better), play better, and are more versatile. Yet, every guitarist needs one in their collection because it's an American classic. Sadly this is why I had to have one. I personally think the neck feels like playing a 2x4 with strings on it. And don't get me started on trying to play on the upper frets or the sharp point on the neck heel... |
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Posted: 1/22/2015 7:28:40 PM EDT
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I've messed around with them a number of times at the music store - they work fine. I just don't see the appeal of having an auto-tuner on a Les Paul - to me, it kills the classic vibe of the entire thing. A Les Paul appeals to me because it's a classic instrument with killer looks and tone - not because it's got added state of the art flare. The Gibson Les Paul is the 1911 of the guitar world - there are so many better options out there that cost less, weigh less, produce the same tone (and better), play better, and are more versatile. Yet, every guitarist needs one in their collection because it's an American classic. Disagree. I've yet to find another guitar that sounds like a les Paul except for the high end replicas. ESPs and PRS singlecuts come close but nothing compares to my gibsons. Ymmv |
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Posted: 1/22/2015 9:34:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Disagree. I've yet to find another guitar that sounds like a les Paul except for the high end replicas. ESPs and PRS singlecuts come close but nothing compares to my gibsons. Ymmv Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I've messed around with them a number of times at the music store - they work fine. I just don't see the appeal of having an auto-tuner on a Les Paul - to me, it kills the classic vibe of the entire thing. A Les Paul appeals to me because it's a classic instrument with killer looks and tone - not because it's got added state of the art flare. The Gibson Les Paul is the 1911 of the guitar world - there are so many better options out there that cost less, weigh less, produce the same tone (and better), play better, and are more versatile. Yet, every guitarist needs one in their collection because it's an American classic. Disagree. I've yet to find another guitar that sounds like a les Paul except for the high end replicas. ESPs and PRS singlecuts come close but nothing compares to my gibsons. Ymmv Agree to disagree.
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Posted: 1/23/2015 1:07:58 PM EDT
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I have always been a fan of the classic Gibson tone you get from a good Les Paul. However, I do find it aggravating that they seem to try and make something mainstream by removing the option to not have it on the guitar. That goes for any company really.
I won't buy a new Gibson anymore... Just too many problems out of the box on expensive guitars. I have sold all of mine over the last few years. The only one I regret selling was my Raw Power Les Paul. That guitar sound really cool and just screamed. I sold it for a lot more than I bought for so I couldn't convince myself to keep it at the time. Anyway, good luck with your guitar. I hope you get it tuned in the way you want it. I would probably take those tuners off if it were me. I'm a little old-fashioned sometimes I guess. |
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Posted: 1/24/2015 5:27:08 AM EDT
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I've messed around with them a number of times at the music store - they work fine. I just don't see the appeal of having an auto-tuner on a Les Paul - to me, it kills the classic vibe of the entire thing. A Les Paul appeals to me because it's a classic instrument with killer looks and tone - not because it's got added state of the art flare. The Gibson Les Paul is the 1911 of the guitar world - there are so many better options out there that cost less, weigh less, produce the same tone (and better), play better, and are more versatile. Yet, every guitarist needs one in their collection because it's an American classic. Disagree. I've yet to find another guitar that sounds like a les Paul except for the high end replicas. ESPs and PRS singlecuts come close but nothing compares to my gibsons. Ymmv Agree to disagree. Just for conversation's sake, what guitars are you referencing? I won't say "better" since that's way too subjective. I get the ergonomics thing- my SC245 is far more comfy to play with the belly cut and better fret access. My 245 also weighs less, but it's chambered; my Gibsons are solid. Hard to argue with you on cost, especially with this year's lineup. $3700 MAP for a USA LP Std? Of course PRS ain't all that cheap depending on the model. But $3700? That's retarded.
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Posted: 1/24/2015 12:43:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just for conversation's sake, what guitars are you referencing? I won't say "better" since that's way too subjective. I get the ergonomics thing- my SC245 is far more comfy to play with the belly cut and better fret access. My 245 also weighs less, but it's chambered; my Gibsons are solid. Hard to argue with you on cost, especially with this year's lineup. $3700 MAP for a USA LP Std? Of course PRS ain't all that cheap depending on the model. But $3700? That's retarded.Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I've messed around with them a number of times at the music store - they work fine. I just don't see the appeal of having an auto-tuner on a Les Paul - to me, it kills the classic vibe of the entire thing. A Les Paul appeals to me because it's a classic instrument with killer looks and tone - not because it's got added state of the art flare. The Gibson Les Paul is the 1911 of the guitar world - there are so many better options out there that cost less, weigh less, produce the same tone (and better), play better, and are more versatile. Yet, every guitarist needs one in their collection because it's an American classic. Disagree. I've yet to find another guitar that sounds like a les Paul except for the high end replicas. ESPs and PRS singlecuts come close but nothing compares to my gibsons. Ymmv Agree to disagree. Just for conversation's sake, what guitars are you referencing? I won't say "better" since that's way too subjective. I get the ergonomics thing- my SC245 is far more comfy to play with the belly cut and better fret access. My 245 also weighs less, but it's chambered; my Gibsons are solid. Hard to argue with you on cost, especially with this year's lineup. $3700 MAP for a USA LP Std? Of course PRS ain't all that cheap depending on the model. But $3700? That's retarded. |
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Posted: 1/24/2015 5:11:19 PM EDT
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Most Gibson Les Pauls have what Gibason calls weight relief (1" holes drilled in the body under the top) or are chambered. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I've messed around with them a number of times at the music store - they work fine. I just don't see the appeal of having an auto-tuner on a Les Paul - to me, it kills the classic vibe of the entire thing. A Les Paul appeals to me because it's a classic instrument with killer looks and tone - not because it's got added state of the art flare. The Gibson Les Paul is the 1911 of the guitar world - there are so many better options out there that cost less, weigh less, produce the same tone (and better), play better, and are more versatile. Yet, every guitarist needs one in their collection because it's an American classic. Disagree. I've yet to find another guitar that sounds like a les Paul except for the high end replicas. ESPs and PRS singlecuts come close but nothing compares to my gibsons. Ymmv Agree to disagree. Just for conversation's sake, what guitars are you referencing? I won't say "better" since that's way too subjective. I get the ergonomics thing- my SC245 is far more comfy to play with the belly cut and better fret access. My 245 also weighs less, but it's chambered; my Gibsons are solid. Hard to argue with you on cost, especially with this year's lineup. $3700 MAP for a USA LP Std? Of course PRS ain't all that cheap depending on the model. But $3700? That's retarded.Sure do. Not my Historics though 
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Posted: 1/24/2015 5:21:37 PM EDT
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I have a 2015 Gibson LP studio with the gforce tuners. The low E tuner was stripped from the factory.
Easy to replace so I did and didn't try arguing with Gibon tech support. They suck in my experience. I didn't even get a charger with the guitar, tried in vain to get gibson to send me one. Finally just said screw It and ordered one. Anyway, I hated the gforce at first. I am warming to it. It is fun to have all those tunings quickly available. If it was my only les paul I would take it off ASAP. I did restring and calibrate the tuner before I even played the guitar. No tuning stability issues yet. And the tuning is very accurate according to my Peterson strobe. |
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Posted: 2/16/2015 11:53:56 AM EDT
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I gave up and replaced it with Grover's. I'm so much happier now. Somehow the strings were slipping and losing tension.
As a bonus the headstock now looks like a Les Paul from the back instead of some kind of mutant cyborg. |
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Posted: 2/16/2015 3:28:34 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/19/2015 1:24:44 AM EDT
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I gave up and replaced it with Grover's. I'm so much happier now. Somehow the strings were slipping and losing tension. As a bonus the headstock now looks like a Les Paul from the back instead of some kind of mutant cyborg. I was at GC earlier this week and looked at a couple Gibson LPs and they both had the robotic tuner thingy. I couldn't figure out how to get it to work. Boy I'm glad Fender isn't putting that crap on their guitars.
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Posted: 2/19/2015 12:22:52 PM EDT
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Gibson still makes guitars without these things on them. If you go to their website and look.
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Posted: 2/19/2015 12:41:06 PM EDT
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Gibson still makes guitars without these things on them. If you go to their website and look. Very very few in their 2015 line. Only the extreme high end "Supreme" and maybe custom shop. Taking the G-Force off and swapping in the Grover's was very easy. |
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Posted: 2/19/2015 11:01:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Very very few in their 2015 line. Only the extreme high end "Supreme" and maybe custom shop. Taking the G-Force off and swapping in the Grover's was very easy. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Gibson still makes guitars without these things on them. If you go to their website and look. Very very few in their 2015 line. Only the extreme high end "Supreme" and maybe custom shop. Taking the G-Force off and swapping in the Grover's was very easy. |
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Posted: 2/20/2015 12:17:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Very very few in their 2015 line. Only the extreme high end "Supreme" and maybe custom shop. Taking the G-Force off and swapping in the Grover's was very easy. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Gibson still makes guitars without these things on them. If you go to their website and look. Very very few in their 2015 line. Only the extreme high end "Supreme" and maybe custom shop. Taking the G-Force off and swapping in the Grover's was very easy.  I am still glad I bought my Traditional 2013... |
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