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Posted: 5/16/2017 11:33:08 AM EDT
Snapped these today.





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That looks hot.  As in 120 degrees Fahrenheit hot.
Link Posted: 5/16/2017 12:23:57 PM EDT
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Only 108 today.  At 10% humidity it's not that bad yet.
Link Posted: 5/16/2017 3:56:59 PM EDT
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Can you tell me why an Air Force jet has what appears to be an arrestor hook tucked between the engines? Just curious.
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Because it is an arrestor hook.  Lots of fighter bases have cables at the end of the runway for emergencies.

Edit: Not a fighter pilot, so somebody else may chime in.  But you can find yourself in a situation where you're not taking the jet airborne, but you can't stop it either.  Taking the cable may be your last shot before having to punch out.

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Only 108 today.  At 10% humidity it's not that bad yet.
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Only 108 today.  At 10% humidity it's not that bad yet.
I fixed that taillight problem that you were supposed to solve for me.

Two problems- burned out bulb (easy) and the wiring harness wasn't making a good connection.

You don't have to lose any more sleep over that now.
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Because it is an arrestor hook.  Lots of fighter bases have cables at the end of the runway for emergencies.

Edit: Not a fighter pilot, so somebody else may chime in.  But you can find yourself in a situation where you're not taking the jet airborne, but you can't stop it either.  Taking the cable may be your last shot before having to punch out.
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Can you tell me why an Air Force jet has what appears to be an arrestor hook tucked between the engines? Just curious.
Because it is an arrestor hook.  Lots of fighter bases have cables at the end of the runway for emergencies.

Edit: Not a fighter pilot, so somebody else may chime in.  But you can find yourself in a situation where you're not taking the jet airborne, but you can't stop it either.  Taking the cable may be your last shot before having to punch out.
More for LANDING emergencies than anything else. If you snag a wire at the departure end of the runway, you're world is already upside down.
Link Posted: 5/16/2017 6:14:26 PM EDT
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Didn't the Argies try to set up arresting gear on the Falklands so their A-4s could operate from there?
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Yes they did, lost one airplane in the process. But to be fair, it was after the only Vulcan actual combat bombing ever conducted. The RAF cratered the runway at it's mid-point from 50,000' limiting the airfield to only being able to handle C-130's for loaded landings and empty takeoffs. Of course after the Argentinians had a C-130 shot down by the RAF, they stopped all aerial resupply of the islands. It was at that point that the whole world knew the war was won by the British.

Link Posted: 5/16/2017 11:11:39 PM EDT
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Not sure about F15s, but the F117 arrestor hook could only be dropped, not raised like a Navy plane. It had to be manually stowed on the ground once deployed.

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Because it is an arrestor hook.  Lots of fighter bases have cables at the end of the runway for emergencies.

Edit: Not a fighter pilot, so somebody else may chime in.  But you can find yourself in a situation where you're not taking the jet airborne, but you can't stop it either.  Taking the cable may be your last shot before having to punch out.
More for LANDING emergencies than anything else. If you snag a wire at the departure end of the runway, you're world is already upside down.
For full power engine runs mainly. Brakes alone won't hold it down in AB.
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15s are the same way
Link Posted: 5/16/2017 11:22:35 PM EDT
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For full power engine runs mainly. Brakes alone won't hold it down in AB.
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Can you tell me why an Air Force jet has what appears to be an arrestor hook tucked between the engines? Just curious.
Because it is an arrestor hook.  Lots of fighter bases have cables at the end of the runway for emergencies.

Edit: Not a fighter pilot, so somebody else may chime in.  But you can find yourself in a situation where you're not taking the jet airborne, but you can't stop it either.  Taking the cable may be your last shot before having to punch out.
More for LANDING emergencies than anything else. If you snag a wire at the departure end of the runway, you're world is already upside down.
For full power engine runs mainly. Brakes alone won't hold it down in AB.
Sure it's used for that purpose but that's not why it's there.  Shackles on the gear struts would work fine as hold backs.  It for arrested landings when you have a gear or brake problem, usually hydraulic system failure. I've seen them used quite a few times, sometimes hilariously.
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More for LANDING emergencies than anything else. If you snag a wire at the departure end of the runway, you're world is already upside down.
Not necessarily, you could just be doing a high speed abort...just hope it doesn't skip the cable.  Although, we do use them for approach end arrestment for certain landing emergencies.

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Not sure about F15s, but the F117 arrestor hook could only be dropped, not raised like a Navy plane. It had to be manually stowed on the ground once deployed.
Same for the Viper.  You can raise the hook switch, but it just lifts off the ground a little bit.  Has to be stowed my maintenance.

Link Posted: 5/16/2017 11:54:23 PM EDT
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Because it is an arrestor hook.  Lots of fighter bases have cables at the end of the runway for emergencies.

Edit: Not a fighter pilot, so somebody else may chime in.  But you can find yourself in a situation where you're not taking the jet airborne, but you can't stop it either.  Taking the cable may be your last shot before having to punch out.
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Can you tell me why an Air Force jet has what appears to be an arrestor hook tucked between the engines? Just curious.
Because it is an arrestor hook.  Lots of fighter bases have cables at the end of the runway for emergencies.

Edit: Not a fighter pilot, so somebody else may chime in.  But you can find yourself in a situation where you're not taking the jet airborne, but you can't stop it either.  Taking the cable may be your last shot before having to punch out.
Speaking mostly on the Viper side...Mainly EP stuff, on both Takeoff and Landing.

For take off, heavy weight abort with two bags and munitions on the wings, depending on the distance it could get a little sporty.

Landing as stated, brake malfunctions/hydraulic issues. Or taking a heavyweight EP airborne and being heavy on final causing you to be fast, once again this is all dependent on the runway available.

Long story short, it gives you options when you are in a pinch...I like options

ETA Ragingwhite nailed it

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Not necessarily, you could just be doing a high speed abort...just hope it doesn't skip the cable.  Although, we do use them for approach end arrestment for certain landing emergencies.  Same for the Viper.  You can raise the hook switch, but it just lifts off the ground a little bit.  Has to be stowed my maintenance.  
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Not necessarily, you could just be doing a high speed abort...just hope it doesn't skip the cable.  Although, we do use them for approach end arrestment for certain landing emergencies.  



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Not sure about F15s, but the F117 arrestor hook could only be dropped, not raised like a Navy plane. It had to be manually stowed on the ground once deployed.  
Same for the Viper.  You can raise the hook switch, but it just lifts off the ground a little bit.  Has to be stowed my maintenance.  
Most AF aircraft with hooks are only one way.  They have to be reset by the ground crew due to the simple design of the system to reduce weight by eliminating a hydraulics system to raise the hook.

The only AF aircraft with self-retracting hooks were the F-4 Phantom, F-111 Aardvark, A-7 Corsair II and A-1D Skyraider.  Those retractable hooks reflect the Navy heritage of those aircraft designs (or intended heritage for the F-111).
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This!  Back in the day I had to stow plenty of the tailhooks after a barrier engagement or various other jobs. I wasn't a very good crew chief so they kicked me over to ops and they made me a pilot.  I showed them!

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Snapped these today.

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One of my favorite acft to have worked on. Looking at the 1st picture brought me back to that unique smell those tail pipes have.

I worked swing shift at Langley in the early '80's (27TFS), there was nothing better than laying across the top of the engine cowls on a cool summer night and feel the heat radiate up into your back,

it was like a heated lounge chair.

Link Posted: 5/18/2017 8:47:20 AM EDT
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I don't think I've ever seen F-15s more filthy than these. It's a shame.
Link Posted: 5/18/2017 9:31:08 AM EDT
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Yes they did, lost one airplane in the process. But to be fair, it was after the only Vulcan actual combat bombing ever conducted. The RAF cratered the runway at it's mid-point from 50,000' limiting the airfield to only being able to handle C-130's for loaded landings and empty takeoffs. Of course after the Argentinians had a C-130 shot down by the RAF, they stopped all aerial resupply of the islands. It was at that point that the whole world knew the war was won by the British.
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I literally finished this book about that attack, well worth the read!

Link Posted: 5/18/2017 9:35:16 AM EDT
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Back when I taught UPT, we would have Saudi students come through from time to time. Flying with those kids was... Exciting. Wonder if any of them are flying those jets.

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I watched a couple of F4's grab the arresting barrier when I was stationed in Thailand during the Viet Nam war.  Kind of cool since no one was hurt.  Phantoms were toast.  I also got to see them hooked up to the test pads and run up into AB.  Pretty cool stuff.

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I don't think I've ever seen F-15s more filthy than these. It's a shame.
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Who does the day-to-day maintenance on them?
Link Posted: 5/18/2017 8:30:53 PM EDT
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Nice pics OP.  Are you a former F15 mechanic in the Air Force working for the RSAF?

I've seen the drogue chute break loose on an AirForce F4 that had some emergency or other landing at NAS Dallas.  He dropped the hook and grabbed the arrestor wire as the strip was too short for an F4 without one or the other.

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If you ask the Saudi's, they do. Reality is they make maintenance issues worse by ignoring it, pencil whipping it, or just making it worse. Us American contractors have our hands full BARELY keeping them airworthy. AMARC jets are more airworthy than these birds.
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Nice pics OP.  Are you a former F15 mechanic in the Air Force working for the RSAF?

I've seen the drogue chute break loose on an AirForce F4 that had some emergency or other landing at NAS Dallas.  He dropped the hook and grabbed the arrestor wire as the strip was too short for an F4 without one or the other.
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Air Force civilian
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If you ask the Saudi's, they do. Reality is they make maintenance issues worse by ignoring it, pencil whipping it, or just making it worse. Us American contractors have our hands full BARELY keeping them airworthy. AMARC jets are more airworthy than these birds.
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That's kind of what I suspected.

Thanks.
Link Posted: 5/20/2017 2:09:28 AM EDT
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I had a chance to watch an emergency landing that utilized the hook by one of our F-15's (Langley bird) while TDY at Dhahran way back in March or April of 1994 .

It was just after dark, so, sparks everywhere when that hook hit the runway and grabbed whatever the hell it is it grabs .

Link Posted: 5/20/2017 7:17:16 PM EDT
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You can Google arrested landings.    They're just not at fighter bases per se.    Typically they've got approach and departure end barriers.    Fighter guys can back me up on this but I think the procedure to land with hydraulic/brake failure is if you miss the barrier engagement is to eject.  (or try again)
I used to work with some F-15 pilots that helped deliver the F-15S to Saudi and the F-15I to Israel.

F-16 Fighting Falcon Arrested Landings At Tulsa International Airport
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You can Google arrested landings.    They're just not at fighter bases per se.    Typically they've got approach and departure end barriers.    Fighter guys can back me up on this but I think the procedure to land with hydraulic/brake failure is if you miss the barrier engagement is to eject.  (or try again)
I used to work with some F-15 pilots that helped deliver the F-15S to Saudi and the F-15I to Israel.

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BAK-12, been around for eons.  The main brake comes from a B52 (or did in the old versions)

Yes, emergency use only.  On AF jets, they only go down and are blown down by compressed N2.  With a Viper you put a chock on the ground where the hook will hit before you test it.  They slam down pretty damn hard and stay there.  Bouncing on the runway would mean a cable hop and a lost jet in an emergency.
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BAK-12, been around for eons.  The main brake comes from a B52 (or did in the old versions)

Yes, emergency use only.  On AF jets, they only go down and are blown down by compressed N2.  With a Viper you put a chock on the ground where the hook will hit before you test it.  They slam down pretty damn hard and stay there.  Bouncing on the runway would mean a cable hop and a lost jet in an emergency.
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You can Google arrested landings.    They're just not at fighter bases per se.    Typically they've got approach and departure end barriers.    Fighter guys can back me up on this but I think the procedure to land with hydraulic/brake failure is if you miss the barrier engagement is to eject.  (or try again)
I used to work with some F-15 pilots that helped deliver the F-15S to Saudi and the F-15I to Israel.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QblVgm5x-Ng
BAK-12, been around for eons.  The main brake comes from a B52 (or did in the old versions)

Yes, emergency use only.  On AF jets, they only go down and are blown down by compressed N2.  With a Viper you put a chock on the ground where the hook will hit before you test it.  They slam down pretty damn hard and stay there.  Bouncing on the runway would mean a cable hop and a lost jet in an emergency.
I was mistaken but the F-15 will raise it's deployed tail hook using the same switch that drop it under electrical power.  A test stand on utility doesn't always have the ass to raise it all the way but under engine power it does with ease
Link Posted: 7/22/2017 8:50:12 PM EDT
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What? You never saw Tomcats?

Link Posted: 7/22/2017 8:51:57 PM EDT
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What? you never saw Tomcats?

Link Posted: 7/28/2017 8:57:26 AM EDT
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Saudi F-15s are the worst.  Their -C models must be absolute junk considering all the cash they're throwing at the SA and S Conversions.

(And the F-15SA is a POS too...thanks Boeing for being you!)

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