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Posted: 5/6/2017 9:03:46 PM EDT
Watched this a couple times. Still quite can't figure out what happened. Hate to say it, but seemed like gross incompetence on the part of the PIC?
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Posted: 5/6/2017 9:55:22 PM EDT
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Watched this a couple times. Still quite can't figure out what happened. Hate to say it, but seemed like gross incompetence on the part of the PIC? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPo5yuLbvco  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPo5yuLbvcoI was trying to follow all that and the ATC was confusing the shit out of me, might have gotten a bit overloaded himself. |
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Posted: 5/6/2017 10:19:37 PM EDT
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I was trying to follow all that and the ATC was confusing the shit out of me, might have gotten a bit overloaded himself. |
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Posted: 5/6/2017 10:20:37 PM EDT
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Did that small plane have three people in it? How does a plane just fall out of the sky like that?
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Posted: 5/6/2017 10:22:35 PM EDT
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Did that small plane have three people in it? How does a plane just fall out of the sky like that? |
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Posted: 5/7/2017 7:48:59 AM EDT
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This one's been done here before. Inexperienced pilot flying a plane she wasn't competent in, in airspace she wasn't competent in. Controller usually seems to get the blame in these discussions because he didn't drop everything and put on his kid gloves to handle this woman.
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Posted: 5/7/2017 12:48:57 PM EDT
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This looks like a group effort . But at the end of the day the pilots number one job is to fly the plane . Any chance wake turbulence contributed ?
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Posted: 5/7/2017 7:29:12 PM EDT
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I don't think it was wake turbulence, it was sheer incompetence. Terribly, terribly sad for the families but it appears she was in over her head trying to go into hobby.
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Posted: 5/7/2017 9:49:04 PM EDT
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I don't think it was wake turbulence, it was sheer incompetence. Terribly, terribly sad for the families but it appears she was in over her head trying to go into hobby. That said, I'm guessing there's some stuff missing that makes it sound like ATC was just willy nilly changing stuff. I have a feeling that the Cirrus was having trouble with the cross wind, was already stressed due to multiple errors, flying very high patterns, and she just lost it on another go-around. If I'm reading the winds right, she also was dealing with a quartering tail wind of up to about 7kts, depending on the gusts. She just lost it, that's all. |
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Posted: 5/8/2017 2:30:33 AM EDT
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Why was she so high on her approaches though, that's what I don't get.
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Posted: 5/8/2017 6:57:13 AM EDT
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Uncoordinated stall at low altitude. Like others have said, she was in above her head with the plane and airspace. Sad.
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Posted: 5/8/2017 7:13:02 AM EDT
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Speaking in general, I suspect that the SR20 and SR22 are too much airplane for most private pilots.
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Posted: 5/8/2017 7:18:38 AM EDT
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Several issues here. PIC was given confusing instruction the last being land R4 then hard right Put it on 35. She had already missed a couple was at low altitude and stressed. Final nail was the left turn so to about 270 to join downwind for R4 again it was a downwind turn with 15 knots of wind. Low ,slow, confused probably looking hard outside. she stall/spinned it.
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Posted: 5/8/2017 9:39:59 AM EDT
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Speaking in general, I suspect that the SR20 and SR22 are too much airplane for most private pilots. As far as the LiveATC recordings are concerned, I pulled the recording of when I had my engine failure. While you could hear me decline the intersection departure, none of the comms of me reporting the failure or the sound of the landing were picked up (I had the mic keyed the entire time). |
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Posted: 5/8/2017 11:17:34 AM EDT
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I have always heard the Cirrus is the new Bonanza.
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Posted: 5/8/2017 12:35:05 PM EDT
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I have always heard the Cirrus is the new Bonanza. |
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Posted: 5/14/2017 7:09:11 PM EDT
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I have always heard the Cirrus is the new Bonanza. This crash was 90% pilot error and 10% ATC changing back and forth between two runways while trying to squeeze a 70kt on final aircraft in between a bunch of 737's that are doing 145kts on final. |
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Posted: 5/14/2017 9:23:27 PM EDT
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The Cirrus is a great aircraft and is no harder to fly then any other aircraft. This crash was 90% pilot error and 10% ATC changing back and forth between two runways while trying to squeeze a 70kt on final aircraft in between a bunch of 737's that are doing 145kts on final. |
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Posted: 5/14/2017 9:36:57 PM EDT
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I have always heard the Cirrus is the new Bonanza. |
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Posted: 5/14/2017 9:43:54 PM EDT
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The Cirrus is a great aircraft and is no harder to fly then any other aircraft. This crash was 90% pilot error and 10% ATC changing back and forth between two runways while trying to squeeze a 70kt on final aircraft in between a bunch of 737's that are doing 145kts on final. If you are flying a Cirrus, you should be able to handle the above scenario half asleep, yawning, feet on the dash and sippin coffee... if not, you're out of your element. |
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