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Posted: 5/5/2017 7:58:44 PM EDT
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You'd love how we use the spoilers. The VSI on my iPad said 11,350 fmp the other day.
The lear 24 I flew could do that going up 
In the Challenger I can go down or I can slow down but I can't do both without the flight spoilers. They are incremental so you can deploy them and keep things smooth 
BTW Pilatuspilot I know who Arthur-Q is. |
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Posted: 5/5/2017 10:50:48 PM EDT
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You'd love how we use the spoilers. The VSI on my iPad said 11,350 fmp the other day. The lear 24 I flew could do that going up
In the Challenger I can go down or I can slow down but I can't do both without the flight spoilers. They are incremental so you can deploy them and keep things smooth
BTW Pilatuspilot I know who Arthur-Q is. 
No Lear time. 
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Posted: 5/6/2017 9:59:01 AM EDT
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I took a light Encore+ from sea level to north of 10,000 in a minute on a cool day. It would only do that cool and light.
No Lear time. |
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Posted: 5/6/2017 10:03:15 AM EDT
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A long time ago I got some time in a Lear 28. 25 with a 55 wing. We took off out of IND, unrestricted climb to 370. Made a turn basically downwind, and were level midfield at 370. They only made a very few of those...like 2 or 5 or something. Bet it was a beast, that is a nice flying wing. The 24 did it with brute force, 6,000lbs thrust, 6500lbs bew |
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Posted: 5/6/2017 10:37:25 AM EDT
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A long time ago I got some time in a Lear 28. 25 with a 55 wing. We took off out of IND, unrestricted climb to 370. Made a turn basically downwind, and were level midfield at 370. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I took a light Encore+ from sea level to north of 10,000 in a minute on a cool day. It would only do that cool and light.
No Lear time.
That would have been an awesome ride! |
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Posted: 5/6/2017 11:17:47 AM EDT
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I bet the range was 1.5 hours....if that.
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Posted: 5/6/2017 12:06:02 PM EDT
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Or in the B-52 where they don't have ailerons in the first place. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Actually, and this really doesn't apply to this discussion, the one example I can give that spoiler use is automated is the C-17. They're automated into the primary flight controls to provide roll control with the ailerons. 
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Posted: 5/6/2017 12:07:31 PM EDT
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No matter what you do with the throttle a clean airplane will speed up if you nose down.
No Drag, and nose down means you won't be on the numbers for your approach. |
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Posted: 5/6/2017 2:51:11 PM EDT
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I bet the range was 1.5 hours....if that. I'm pretty sure the one I flew was SN #19. |
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Posted: 5/6/2017 3:10:39 PM EDT
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A long time ago I got some time in a Lear 28. 25 with a 55 wing. We took off out of IND, unrestricted climb to 370. Made a turn basically downwind, and were level midfield at 370. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I took a light Encore+ from sea level to north of 10,000 in a minute on a cool day. It would only do that cool and light.
No Lear time.
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Posted: 5/6/2017 8:19:36 PM EDT
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These days I fly a very updated albeit very antique Falcon 20. It will definitely pop your ears if you pull the throttles back too far. The air brakes are perforated like a citation and also only have open and close positions. Back in the citations I would haul as much ass as a citation could then use the spoilers to slow to configure. The owner liked that. My new owner hates rapid throttle movements and the brakes. That's sometimes a problem in the Falcon trying to meet crossing restrictions. It's a slick plane and going down while slowing down is what the brakes were put there for. He'll just bitch when we unload the bags. The GE powered ones required lots of air brake use in icing conditions. Ours were also really bad about losing the cabin when you'd pull the power back too far. Of course the big poorly sealed hole in the side of the plane (cargo door) probably didn't help much. they were some old planes, most of them were built in the mid sixties.
And I too know who Arthur Q is. |
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Posted: 5/6/2017 8:21:02 PM EDT
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A long time ago I got some time in a Lear 28. 25 with a 55 wing. We took off out of IND, unrestricted climb to 370. Made a turn basically downwind, and were level midfield at 370. |
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Posted: 5/19/2017 5:52:08 PM EDT
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Garrett or GE powered? The GE powered ones required lots of air brake use in icing conditions. Ours were also really bad about losing the cabin when you'd pull the power back too far. Of course the big poorly sealed hole in the side of the plane (cargo door) probably didn't help much. they were some old planes, most of them were built in the mid sixties.
And I too know who Arthur Q is. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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These days I fly a very updated albeit very antique Falcon 20. It will definitely pop your ears if you pull the throttles back too far. The air brakes are perforated like a citation and also only have open and close positions. Back in the citations I would haul as much ass as a citation could then use the spoilers to slow to configure. The owner liked that. My new owner hates rapid throttle movements and the brakes. That's sometimes a problem in the Falcon trying to meet crossing restrictions. It's a slick plane and going down while slowing down is what the brakes were put there for. He'll just bitch when we unload the bags. The GE powered ones required lots of air brake use in icing conditions. Ours were also really bad about losing the cabin when you'd pull the power back too far. Of course the big poorly sealed hole in the side of the plane (cargo door) probably didn't help much. they were some old planes, most of them were built in the mid sixties.
And I too know who Arthur Q is. Probably the nicest and most updated 20F flying. Proline 4 and all. Lol Still pops ears if you pull the throttles back too quick at altitude. It's an antique for sure but it makes quick work of the islands. |
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Posted: 6/2/2017 9:01:16 AM EDT
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As a tangent to the statement that "spoilers are never automatic", I'll add that on the L1011, in certain configurations (i.e., approach), descent rate was controlled by spoilers. That is, to say, when the yoke was pushed (gently) forward, the deck angle didn't change and the elevator didn't change, the spoilers deployed. This was a Lockheed (sp?) thing and made my sim evaluation at World Airways a bit of a WTF moment. High on the slope on a raw data ILS, shove the yoke forward...no pitch change. Strange to say the least. The sim guy had flown the L10 for many, many years leaned forward at that moment and said "Thats normal, continue".
The L1011, strange bird, WAY ahead of its time, never realized it's full potential, HUGE cockpit. Damn, I miss flight spoilers ka |
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Posted: 6/2/2017 1:35:56 PM EDT
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These days I fly a very updated albeit very antique Falcon 20. It will definitely pop your ears if you pull the throttles back too far. The air brakes are perforated like a citation and also only have open and close positions. Back in the citations I would haul as much ass as a citation could then use the spoilers to slow to configure. The owner liked that. My new owner hates rapid throttle movements and the brakes. That's sometimes a problem in the Falcon trying to meet crossing restrictions. It's a slick plane and going down while slowing down is what the brakes were put there for. He'll just bitch when we unload the bags. |
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Posted: 6/2/2017 4:48:36 PM EDT
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As a tangent to the statement that "spoilers are never automatic", I'll add that on the L1011, in certain configurations (i.e., approach), descent rate was controlled by spoilers. That is, to say, when the yoke was pushed (gently) forward, the deck angle didn't change and the elevator didn't change, the spoilers deployed. This was a Lockheed (sp?) thing and made my sim evaluation at World Airways a bit of a WTF moment. High on the slope on a raw data ILS, shove the yoke forward...no pitch change. Strange to say the least. The sim guy had flown the L10 for many, many years leaned forward at that moment and said "Thats normal, continue". The L1011, strange bird, WAY ahead of its time, never realized it's full potential, HUGE cockpit. Damn, I miss flight spoilers ka Enter the flare 7 miles out, hold it to touchdown. |
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Posted: 6/4/2017 12:33:09 AM EDT
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DLC, Dynamic Lift Control. Enter the flare 7 miles out, hold it to touchdown. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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As a tangent to the statement that "spoilers are never automatic", I'll add that on the L1011, in certain configurations (i.e., approach), descent rate was controlled by spoilers. That is, to say, when the yoke was pushed (gently) forward, the deck angle didn't change and the elevator didn't change, the spoilers deployed. This was a Lockheed (sp?) thing and made my sim evaluation at World Airways a bit of a WTF moment. High on the slope on a raw data ILS, shove the yoke forward...no pitch change. Strange to say the least. The sim guy had flown the L10 for many, many years leaned forward at that moment and said "Thats normal, continue". The L1011, strange bird, WAY ahead of its time, never realized it's full potential, HUGE cockpit. Damn, I miss flight spoilers ka Enter the flare 7 miles out, hold it to touchdown. |
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Posted: 6/4/2017 5:24:31 AM EDT
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Direct. Not dynamic. Eh, you're right. 16 years since I last saw the bird. |
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Posted: 6/9/2017 12:02:57 AM EDT
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for a couple months when I was a freight dog based at Love we had an L-1011 on our ramp while it was getting prepped to go to some third world country. I would show up to work early to hang out with the ferry captain and have him show me all over that plane while it went through that inspection. He explained the DLC approaches and all. They've always been my favorite wide body. That sealed it.
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Posted: 6/9/2017 12:01:12 PM EDT
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Actually, and this really doesn't apply to this discussion, the one example I can give that spoiler use is automated is the C-17. They're automated into the primary flight controls to provide roll control with the ailerons. |
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