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Posted: 2/25/2017 11:36:56 AM EDT
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(172 R/S) There's a little door about the size of a 2x4 on the left side of the airplane right where the engine cowl meets the firewall, located close to the grab handle. What is it, and what is it for?
(172 R/S) You move the elevator up and the trim tab moves down without moving the trim wheel. You move the elevator down and the trim tab moves up without moving the trim wheel. What does this do? You pass your checkride and you fly with an instructor for the purposes of a rental checkout in a singe engine piston airplane. You fly the airplane the entire time for a total of one hour. How do you log this flight time? You pass your checkride and you fly with a friend in his single engine airplane that has 250 hp, flaps, a controllable pitch propeller and retractable landing gear but weighs less than 12,500 pounds and is not turbojet powered. Your friend states that he is PIC but lets you fly an entire leg of the trip while he works the radios. How do you log this flight time? You pass your checkride tomorrow, can you legally act as PIC of a Cessna Caravan? The caravan has a maximum takeoff weight of 8,000 lbs and is turbopropeller powered. |
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Posted: 2/25/2017 11:59:19 AM EDT
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You're just touched down, and rolling out, when suddenly the nose wheel starts to shimmy violently. What do you do?
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Posted: 2/25/2017 8:11:58 PM EDT
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(172 R/S) There's a little door about the size of a 2x4 on the left side of the airplane right where the engine cowl meets the firewall, located close to the grab handle. What is it, and what is it for? shore power (172 R/S) You move the elevator up and the trim tab moves down without moving the trim wheel. You move the elevator down and the trim tab moves up without moving the trim wheel. What does this do? I have no idea You pass your checkride and you fly with an instructor for the purposes of a rental checkout in a singe engine piston airplane. You fly the airplane the entire time for a total of one hour. How do you log this flight time? PIC You pass your checkride and you fly with a friend in his single engine airplane that has 250 hp, flaps, a controllable pitch propeller and retractable landing gear but weighs less than 12,500 pounds and is not turbojet powered. Your friend states that he is PIC but lets you fly an entire leg of the trip while he works the radios. How do you log this flight time? on that I'm not sure. You're the sole manipulator if the controls, but you don't have an endorsement and you're not a required crew member. I think you can log SIC, but im not really sure. Have to look it up. You pass your checkride tomorrow, can you legally act as PIC of a Cessna Caravan? The caravan has a maximum takeoff weight of 8,000 lbs and is turbopropeller powered. no. I don't have a complex/high performance endorsement |
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Posted: 2/25/2017 8:14:49 PM EDT
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You're just touched down, and rolling out, when suddenly the nose wheel starts to shimmy violently. What do you do? I would not touch the brakes. Leave the flaps down. Add some back pressure to the yoke to keep the nose as light as possible for as long as possible. |
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Posted: 2/25/2017 8:24:44 PM EDT
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The answer they're looking for us "the horizontal component of lift". Doesn't matter what flight control you use, the horizontal component of lift is what turns it. This leads directly into the second question. "Then what is the rudder for?" To make up for errors of the aeronautical engineer. |
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Posted: 2/25/2017 8:37:51 PM EDT
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(172 R/S) There's a little door about the size of a 2x4 on the left side of the airplane right where the engine cowl meets the firewall, located close to the grab handle. What is it, and what is it for? shore power (172 R/S) You move the elevator up and the trim tab moves down without moving the trim wheel. You move the elevator down and the trim tab moves up without moving the trim wheel. What does this do? I have no idea The trim tab moves in a manner that assists you on the controls (if you apply full up elevator, the trim tab moves down, helping you) and this is generally referred to as a "servo tab." A tab that does the opposite (makes the controls heavier as you get to the edge) is an "antiservo tab." Cessna doesn't come out and straight up call it a "servo tab" but they say something like "the tab moves opposite the elevator to help keep control inputs" or something like that. You pass your checkride and you fly with an instructor for the purposes of a rental checkout in a singe engine piston airplane. You fly the airplane the entire time for a total of one hour. How do you log this flight time? PIC You pass your checkride and you fly with a friend in his single engine airplane that has 250 hp, flaps, a controllable pitch propeller and retractable landing gear but weighs less than 12,500 pounds and is not turbojet powered. Your friend states that he is PIC but lets you fly an entire leg of the trip while he works the radios. How do you log this flight time? on that I'm not sure. You're the sole manipulator if the controls, but you don't have an endorsement and you're not a required crew member. I think you can log SIC, but im not really sure. Have to look it up. Endorsements do not matter, you can log PIC any time you are sole manipulator of the flight controls of an aircraft you are rated in, meaning category, class and type (if applicable.) The only time you'll really be logging SIC in a single pilot aircraft is if you are a safety pilot, in which case you are a required crew member (safety pilot is required by regulations) You pass your checkride tomorrow, can you legally act as PIC of a Cessna Caravan? The caravan has a maximum takeoff weight of 8,000 lbs and is turbopropeller powered. no. I don't have a complex/high performance endorsement You seem very well read, I think you'll do just fine. Good luck! 
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Posted: 2/25/2017 8:45:54 PM EDT
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(172 R/S) There's a little door about the size of a 2x4 on the left side of the airplane right where the engine cowl meets the firewall, located close to the grab handle. What is it, and what is it for? shore power (172 R/S) You move the elevator up and the trim tab moves down without moving the trim wheel. You move the elevator down and the trim tab moves up without moving the trim wheel. What does this do? I have no idea You pass your checkride and you fly with an instructor for the purposes of a rental checkout in a singe engine piston airplane. You fly the airplane the entire time for a total of one hour. How do you log this flight time? PIC You pass your checkride and you fly with a friend in his single engine airplane that has 250 hp, flaps, a controllable pitch propeller and retractable landing gear but weighs less than 12,500 pounds and is not turbojet powered. Your friend states that he is PIC but lets you fly an entire leg of the trip while he works the radios. How do you log this flight time? on that I'm not sure. You're the sole manipulator if the controls, but you don't have an endorsement and you're not a required crew member. I think you can log SIC, but im not really sure. Have to look it up. You pass your checkride tomorrow, can you legally act as PIC of a Cessna Caravan? The caravan has a maximum takeoff weight of 8,000 lbs and is turbopropeller powered. no. I don't have a complex/high performance endorsement I'm not trying to keep you from finding the answer yourself, but if you aren't familiar with legal interpretations, they're not a bad thing to scan every now and then. This is a good one for these questions. Legal Interpretation Also, rethink the last one. Does a Caravan fit the definition of complex? |
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Posted: 2/25/2017 10:13:48 PM EDT
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I would not touch the brakes. Leave the flaps down. Add some back pressure to the yoke to keep the nose as light as possible for as long as possible. Zakly. Have you experienced it yet? Do you know what causes it? |
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Posted: 2/25/2017 11:25:26 PM EDT
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I'm not trying to keep you from finding the answer yourself, but if you aren't familiar with legal interpretations, they're not a bad thing to scan every now and then. This is a good one for these questions. Legal Interpretation Also, rethink the last one. Does a Caravan fit the definition of complex? OK, at least I'm not the only person that couldn't figure out when/how to log PIC time. 
I don't know enough about a Caravan to know if it's complex. I don't really know how turboprops work. But I DO know it's over 200hp, which requires a High Performance endorsement. I thought that High Performance and Complex were the 'same' rating. After further reading, I see that they're not. |
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Posted: 2/25/2017 11:26:21 PM EDT
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Zakly. Have you experienced it yet? Do you know what causes it? No, and no. But I would guess it would be caused by a broken/worn out shimmy damper or loose attachment points of the nose gear. |
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Posted: 2/26/2017 2:38:23 AM EDT
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No, and no. But I would guess it would be caused by a broken/worn out shimmy damper or loose attachment points of the nose gear. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Zakly. Have you experienced it yet? Do you know what causes it? No, and no. But I would guess it would be caused by a broken/worn out shimmy damper or loose attachment points of the nose gear. Nope, it's caused by the little wheel being on the wrong end of the airplane. |
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Posted: 2/26/2017 1:15:48 PM EDT
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OK, at least I'm not the only person that couldn't figure out when/how to log PIC time.
I don't know enough about a Caravan to know if it's complex. I don't really know how turboprops work. But I DO know it's over 200hp, which requires a High Performance endorsement. I thought that High Performance and Complex were the 'same' rating. After further reading, I see that they're not. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm not trying to keep you from finding the answer yourself, but if you aren't familiar with legal interpretations, they're not a bad thing to scan every now and then. This is a good one for these questions. Legal Interpretation Also, rethink the last one. Does a Caravan fit the definition of complex? OK, at least I'm not the only person that couldn't figure out when/how to log PIC time.
I don't know enough about a Caravan to know if it's complex. I don't really know how turboprops work. But I DO know it's over 200hp, which requires a High Performance endorsement. I thought that High Performance and Complex were the 'same' rating. After further reading, I see that they're not. The turboprop is irrelevant with regards to complex. A Caravan has a fixed gear so it is not complex. This could be a trick question. If the Caravan has floats then it does meet the definition of complex. See definition of complex airplane in 61.1. |
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Posted: 2/26/2017 1:18:55 PM EDT
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The turboprop is irrelevant with regards to complex. A Caravan has a fixed gear so it is not complex. This could be a trick question. If the Caravan has floats then it does meet the definition of complex. See definition of complex airplane in 61.1. Not just landing gear, but a controllable prop. Do turboprops have controllable propellers? Or did I misunderstand and it has to have both? |
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Posted: 2/26/2017 2:52:15 PM EDT
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Not just landing gear, but a controllable prop. Do turboprops have controllable propellers? Or did I misunderstand and it has to have both? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The turboprop is irrelevant with regards to complex. A Caravan has a fixed gear so it is not complex. This could be a trick question. If the Caravan has floats then it does meet the definition of complex. See definition of complex airplane in 61.1. Not just landing gear, but a controllable prop. Do turboprops have controllable propellers? Or did I misunderstand and it has to have both? I'm not aware of any turboprops that don't have constant speed prop. I know the Caravan does (or at least every one I've ever seen does). |
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Posted: 2/26/2017 5:24:19 PM EDT
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I'm not aware of any turboprops that don't have constant speed prop. I know the Caravan does (or at least every one I've ever seen does). Then you would need a complex endorsement, correct? Or is that is has to have BOTH a constant speed prop AND retractable gear AND flaps? Complex airplane means an airplane that has a retractable landing gear, flaps, and a controllable pitch propeller That's from 61.1 So, if you have a plane with retracts, controllable prop, and for some reason it does not have flaps, you could fly it without a complex endorsement? Am I reading that right? |
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Posted: 2/26/2017 6:22:49 PM EDT
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Then you would need a complex endorsement, correct? Or is that is has to have BOTH a constant speed prop AND retractable gear AND flaps? Complex airplane means an airplane that has a retractable landing gear, flaps, and a controllable pitch propeller That's from 61.1 So, if you have a plane with retracts, controllable prop, and for some reason it does not have flaps, you could fly it without a complex endorsement? Am I reading that right? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm not aware of any turboprops that don't have constant speed prop. I know the Caravan does (or at least every one I've ever seen does). Then you would need a complex endorsement, correct? Or is that is has to have BOTH a constant speed prop AND retractable gear AND flaps? Complex airplane means an airplane that has a retractable landing gear, flaps, and a controllable pitch propeller That's from 61.1 So, if you have a plane with retracts, controllable prop, and for some reason it does not have flaps, you could fly it without a complex endorsement? Am I reading that right? It is my understand that you have to have all three for an airplane to be complex (assuming land). Otherwise a 172 would be complex because it has flaps. A Cirrus is a good example too. They have fixed gears, flaps, and a constant speed prop so they do not require a complex endorsement. If a Cirrus had floats, it would be complex because it has a constant speed prop and flaps. |
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Posted: 2/26/2017 8:11:44 PM EDT
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It is my understand that you have to have all three for an airplane to be complex (assuming land). Otherwise a 172 would be complex because it has flaps. A Cirrus is a good example too. They have fixed gears, flaps, and a constant speed prop so they do not require a complex endorsement. If a Cirrus had floats, it would be complex because it has a constant speed prop and flaps. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm not aware of any turboprops that don't have constant speed prop. I know the Caravan does (or at least every one I've ever seen does). Then you would need a complex endorsement, correct? Or is that is has to have BOTH a constant speed prop AND retractable gear AND flaps? Complex airplane means an airplane that has a retractable landing gear, flaps, and a controllable pitch propeller That's from 61.1 So, if you have a plane with retracts, controllable prop, and for some reason it does not have flaps, you could fly it without a complex endorsement? Am I reading that right? It is my understand that you have to have all three for an airplane to be complex (assuming land). Otherwise a 172 would be complex because it has flaps. A Cirrus is a good example too. They have fixed gears, flaps, and a constant speed prop so they do not require a complex endorsement. If a Cirrus had floats, it would be complex because it has a constant speed prop and flaps. Only if the floats were amphibian floats; straight floats are the same as fixed gear. |
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Posted: 2/26/2017 8:48:21 PM EDT
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Only if the floats were amphibian floats; straight floats are the same as fixed gear. 61.31e (e) Additional training required for operating complex airplanes. (1) Except as provided in paragraph (e)(2) of this section, no person may act as pilot in command of a complex airplane (an airplane that has a retractable landing gear, flaps, and a controllable pitch propeller; or, in the case of a seaplane, flaps and a controllable pitch propeller), unless the person has-- Seaplanes need only flaps and a controllable pitch propeller to be considered complex. Per the letter of the law, a fixed pitch 172 on amphib floats would not require a complex endorsement. I'm on mobile so research is difficult but as I recall this is how amphib LSAs exist - a LSA can't have retractable gear unless it's an amphib. Sorry to tear up your thread, OP
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Posted: 2/26/2017 8:50:40 PM EDT
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Only if the floats were amphibian floats; straight floats are the same as fixed gear. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm not aware of any turboprops that don't have constant speed prop. I know the Caravan does (or at least every one I've ever seen does). Then you would need a complex endorsement, correct? Or is that is has to have BOTH a constant speed prop AND retractable gear AND flaps? Complex airplane means an airplane that has a retractable landing gear, flaps, and a controllable pitch propeller That's from 61.1 So, if you have a plane with retracts, controllable prop, and for some reason it does not have flaps, you could fly it without a complex endorsement? Am I reading that right? It is my understand that you have to have all three for an airplane to be complex (assuming land). Otherwise a 172 would be complex because it has flaps. A Cirrus is a good example too. They have fixed gears, flaps, and a constant speed prop so they do not require a complex endorsement. If a Cirrus had floats, it would be complex because it has a constant speed prop and flaps. Only if the floats were amphibian floats; straight floats are the same as fixed gear. What's the difference between amphibian floats and straight floats? I don't know much about sea plane stuff. |
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Posted: 2/26/2017 9:08:11 PM EDT
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What's the difference between amphibian floats and straight floats? I don't know much about sea plane stuff. Amphib floats (or amphibious flying boats like the lake amphibian) have built in retractable landing gear. Straight floats are just a float, no wheels. |
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Posted: 2/26/2017 10:29:31 PM EDT
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Amphib floats (or amphibious flying boats like the lake amphibian) have built in retractable landing gear. Straight floats are just a float, no wheels. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What's the difference between amphibian floats and straight floats? I don't know much about sea plane stuff. Amphib floats (or amphibious flying boats like the lake amphibian) have built in retractable landing gear. Straight floats are just a float, no wheels. Thanks. |
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Posted: 3/4/2017 7:34:25 PM EDT
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Thanks guys for putting in all the effort asking me questions and giving me tips.
Checkride passed today!! |
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Posted: 3/4/2017 8:44:09 PM EDT
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Congrats! Welcome to a new way to spend your money...
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Posted: 3/5/2017 9:09:26 PM EDT
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Thanks guys for putting in all the effort asking me questions and giving me tips. Checkride passed today!! Congrats
Who's your first passenger going to be? Mine was my brother... |
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Posted: 3/5/2017 9:18:16 PM EDT
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Who's your first passenger going to be? Mine was my brother... Took my wife and 2 of my kids from KSDL to KSEZ today!! |
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Posted: 3/5/2017 10:25:06 PM EDT
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Thanks guys for putting in all the effort asking me questions and giving me tips. Checkride passed today!! Congratulations!!! Now, go enjoy, and get ready for Instrument rating. |
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Posted: 3/6/2017 12:36:54 AM EDT
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Congrats OP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I just found this thread and was going to remind you to remove the chocks before you tried to start the plane. Just sayin`. |
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Posted: 3/6/2017 9:31:34 PM EDT
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Congrats OP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I just found this thread and was going to remind you to remove the chocks before you tried to start the plane. Just sayin`. And don't forget to undo the tail tiedown, either. Ask me how I know
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Posted: 3/6/2017 9:45:16 PM EDT
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Thanks guys for putting in all the effort asking me questions and giving me tips. Checkride passed today!! Congrats! Have some fun then get your instrument ticket ;) |
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