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Posted: 10/20/2016 10:29:34 PM EDT
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Arado 234 The Ar234A was a high altitude, high speed reconnaissance jet. It took off from a trolley, and landed on a retractable belly skid. The Ar234B (pictured above) was a jet bomber. The belly skid system was abandoned and tricycle landing gear installed. The Ar234C replaced the two Junkers Jumo engines with four (two per nacelle) BMW jet engines. |
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Posted: 10/20/2016 10:35:03 PM EDT
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Hiller flying platform. Seems like a painful way to create FOD. |
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Posted: 10/20/2016 10:45:26 PM EDT
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Nakajima Kikka. The left nacelle is missing in the above picture. The Germans were sharing technology with the Japanese, and the Kikka was the result of German jet technology being shared. Similar to the Me262, but a little smaller with straight wings instead of swept wings. Flight tests started just a few days before the end of WW2, but about 10 airframes had already been completed by that time. |
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Posted: 10/20/2016 10:52:40 PM EDT
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Curtiss XP-55 Ascender (sometimes referred to as the AssEnder). Canard pusher prototype fighter. |
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Posted: 10/20/2016 11:53:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryIn my opinion, that's one of the most beautiful planes ever built. |
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Posted: 10/21/2016 2:16:02 AM EDT
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As I remember reading; obsolescence is what made it effective. It flew too low and slow for the Bismark's guns to track it effectively. Or maybe that's aviation's equivalent of the old "5.56 bullets tumble which is what makes it so deadly." Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Fairey Swordfish torpedo bomber. Obsolete by the start of WWII, she still was tough enough to deliver a crippling blow to the German battleship Bismarck, which damaged her rudder such that the Royal Navy could deliver some British ass-whoopin' on one of the largest battleships in the world at the time! http://www.fleetairarmarchive.net/aircraft/Swordfish_W5856_restored_isleofwight_Colour.jpg http://img.wallpaperfolder.com/f/4AD9A9F36A79/fairey-swordfish-british-bomb-torpedo.jpg https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTATu8qYN3lsPEB0v4a1bpN9pOcwu0Uaz_x5db0ghEf1F3waHx_3Q As I remember reading; obsolescence is what made it effective. It flew too low and slow for the Bismark's guns to track it effectively. Or maybe that's aviation's equivalent of the old "5.56 bullets tumble which is what makes it so deadly." I doubt that no airplane is "too slow to be shot down by automatic gunfire." 
IIRC the Germans had a 4 or 6 eight barrel AA gun that they used. No, I think it would be a combination of too many targets (they attacked in squadron formation), a ship steering wildly to avoid torpedos (only one of which would be enough to ruin one's day), the dogged determination of the British pilots*, and in the end, dumb luck. *Pardon me if this sound silly but it's true. You have to have brass balls to fly into a wall of lead. |
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Posted: 10/21/2016 10:16:59 AM EDT
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I doubt that no airplane is "too slow to be shot down by automatic gunfire."
IIRC the Germans had a 4 or 6 eight barrel AA gun that they used. No, I think it would be a combination of too many targets (they attacked in squadron formation), a ship steering wildly to avoid torpedos (only one of which would be enough to ruin one's day), the dogged determination of the British pilots*, and in the end, dumb luck. *Pardon me if this sound silly but it's true. You have to have brass balls to fly into a wall of lead. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Fairey Swordfish torpedo bomber. Obsolete by the start of WWII, she still was tough enough to deliver a crippling blow to the German battleship Bismarck, which damaged her rudder such that the Royal Navy could deliver some British ass-whoopin' on one of the largest battleships in the world at the time! http://www.fleetairarmarchive.net/aircraft/Swordfish_W5856_restored_isleofwight_Colour.jpg http://img.wallpaperfolder.com/f/4AD9A9F36A79/fairey-swordfish-british-bomb-torpedo.jpg https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTATu8qYN3lsPEB0v4a1bpN9pOcwu0Uaz_x5db0ghEf1F3waHx_3Q As I remember reading; obsolescence is what made it effective. It flew too low and slow for the Bismark's guns to track it effectively. Or maybe that's aviation's equivalent of the old "5.56 bullets tumble which is what makes it so deadly." I doubt that no airplane is "too slow to be shot down by automatic gunfire."
IIRC the Germans had a 4 or 6 eight barrel AA gun that they used. No, I think it would be a combination of too many targets (they attacked in squadron formation), a ship steering wildly to avoid torpedos (only one of which would be enough to ruin one's day), the dogged determination of the British pilots*, and in the end, dumb luck. *Pardon me if this sound silly but it's true. You have to have brass balls to fly into a wall of lead. From some of what I've read, the too low piece may be true. I think the US also struggled at time in the Pacific as well. Most AA mounts were designed to have good elevation to deal with aircraft approaching from a higher altitude. That meant many guns had poor or even no gun gun depression meaning that if a plane was flying low enough to get below the gun mount, it was almost impossible to hit. |
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Posted: 10/21/2016 3:50:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In my opinion, that's one of the most beautiful planes ever built. Quote HistoryQuoted: In my opinion, that's one of the most beautiful planes ever built. Will be my first purchase, as soon as I win the lottery. |
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Posted: 10/21/2016 6:17:23 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/21/2016 7:10:19 PM EDT
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Here, I'll challenge you.
B-26 modified with center-line main gear and outriggers. Named the "Stump Jumper" - test bed for the B-47 and B-52 landing gear arrangement. 
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Posted: 10/21/2016 9:55:00 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/24/2016 2:24:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryPure pre-war sex. 
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Posted: 10/30/2016 8:08:34 AM EDT
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Walt Disney's personal aircraft. 1978 Cessna 185F Skywagon
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Posted: 10/30/2016 8:23:49 AM EDT
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Walt Disney's personal aircraft. 1978 Cessna 185F Skywagon http://www.yesterland.com/images-studios/waltsplane_grumman2006ah.jpg That ain't no Cessna 185. That's a Gulfstream 1. |
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Posted: 10/30/2016 8:27:04 AM EDT
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I always enjoy this sort of thread.
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Posted: 10/30/2016 8:35:11 AM EDT
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That ain't no Cessna 185. That's a Gulfstream 1. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Walt Disney's personal aircraft. 1978 Cessna 185F Skywagon http://www.yesterland.com/images-studios/waltsplane_grumman2006ah.jpg That ain't no Cessna 185. That's a Gulfstream 1. Well ditch mah britches, yer right. I c&p the caption on the pic... was a clickbait article re. Disneyland. |
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Posted: 10/30/2016 11:54:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well ditch mah britches, yer right. I c&p the caption on the pic... was a clickbait article re. Disneyland. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Walt Disney's personal aircraft. 1978 Cessna 185F Skywagon http://www.yesterland.com/images-studios/waltsplane_grumman2006ah.jpg That ain't no Cessna 185. That's a Gulfstream 1. Well ditch mah britches, yer right. I c&p the caption on the pic... was a clickbait article re. Disneyland.   |
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Posted: 10/30/2016 12:19:52 PM EDT
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I found out about this plane when I was reading up on Air America. They claim it could operate at 200' AGL and be undetected audibly. Lockheed YO-3
Check out the muffler system: 
Also see the use of a wide wooden prop: 
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Posted: 10/30/2016 1:51:16 PM EDT
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Bonney Gull?'
I'm surprised there is video of it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97Udr_1FkiI |
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Posted: 10/30/2016 6:16:01 PM EDT
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I dont know, but i saw TWO Lockheed Martin T-33s flying yesterday...I think they are actually Canadian licensed copies owned by Boeing .
I was hoping it was a F-104...
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Posted: 10/30/2016 11:10:21 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/31/2016 1:03:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryWhat in the world? |
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Posted: 10/31/2016 3:58:39 AM EDT
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What in the world? YC-125A, new to me, too. http://www.jetphotos.net/showphotos.php?regsearch=XB-GEY How about: 
Always liked this one too: 
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Posted: 10/31/2016 4:23:13 AM EDT
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What in the world? It's hideous! I love it! |
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Posted: 10/31/2016 10:13:29 AM EDT
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What in the world? It's hideous! I love it! Looks like a Ford Trimotor in those "awkward teenage " years. Ungainly proportions, bulges in the wrong places, and off balance. |
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Posted: 10/31/2016 11:45:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryThere's one of those on the tarmac outside the USAF museum. Don't remember what it's called though. |
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Posted: 10/31/2016 11:48:08 AM EDT
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Looks like a Ford Trimotor in those "awkward teenage " years. Ungainly proportions, bulges in the wrong places, and off balance. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What in the world? It's hideous! I love it! Looks like a Ford Trimotor in those "awkward teenage " years. Ungainly proportions, bulges in the wrong places, and off balance. C-125 Raider |
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Posted: 10/31/2016 5:47:12 PM EDT
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Edgley Optica
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Posted: 10/31/2016 7:25:40 PM EDT
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This pic from a foxnews.com story today piqued my interest -
The Stearman Hammond Y "Safety Plane" - 
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Posted: 10/31/2016 8:10:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This pic from a foxnews.com story today piqued my interest - http://a57.foxnews.com/images.foxnews.com/content/fox-news/science/2016/10/31/new-discovery-could-solve-mystery-surrounding-amelia-earhart/_jcr_content/par/featured-media/media-0.img.jpg/876/493/1477943552238.jpg?ve=1&tl=1 The Stearman Hammond Y "Safety Plane" - http://aviadejavu.ru/Images6/JS/Janes38-3/300-2.jpg  |
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Posted: 10/31/2016 9:45:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
This pic from a foxnews.com story today piqued my interest - http://a57.foxnews.com/images.foxnews.com/content/fox-news/science/2016/10/31/new-discovery-could-solve-mystery-surrounding-amelia-earhart/_jcr_content/par/featured-media/media-0.img.jpg/876/493/1477943552238.jpg?ve=1&tl=1 The Stearman Hammond Y "Safety Plane" - http://aviadejavu.ru/Images6/JS/Janes38-3/300-2.jpg That's awesome. I've never seen that one or the optica above before. Very cool. Too bad that last one has an idiot at the controls. |
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Posted: 11/13/2016 1:36:59 PM EDT
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I saw this animal on the ground at KTPF the other day:
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Posted: 11/13/2016 2:15:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryI remember reading about them being marketed to LE as a cheaper alternative for helicopters. Supposedly they have a really low stall speed. |
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Posted: 11/13/2016 5:27:59 PM EDT
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Stumbled across this while doing some research at work.
In 1915 the U.S. Navy ordered as its fifty-ninth aircraft the most radical design it had contemplated to that date, the Gallaudet D-1 seaplane. The D-1 was a large two-place biplane, fitted with a single large float beneath the fuselage and two smaller wing tip balancing floats. It was quite conventional in appearance except for the system of propulsion, a patented No. 1,262,660 Gallaudet innovation known as the "Gallaudet Drive." The distingishing feature of this propulsion concept was a four-bladed propeller mounted in the center of the fuselage between the wings and tail. The hub portion of the propeller blades were enclosed by a metal ring the same diameter as the fuselage, allowing only the most eficient portion of each blade to revolve in the air stream. http://earlyaviators.com/ebjorkl1.htm |
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Posted: 11/13/2016 7:26:21 PM EDT
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Reminds me of this; the SPAD A2 which has the prop in front of the pilot but behind the gunner.
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Posted: 11/25/2016 8:21:36 PM EDT
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Arsenal-Delanne 10
Which is somehow, but obviously, related to this Lysander mod which incorporated a Boulton-Paul Defiant turret in the tail and was intended to strafe beaches full of invading, amphibious NAZIs. 
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Posted: 11/26/2016 11:30:57 AM EDT
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B-17 engine test-beds.
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Posted: 11/26/2016 12:40:44 PM EDT
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B-17 engine test-beds. https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7274/6956370382_47e8c9811b_z.jpg http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5d/JB-17G_Engine_Test_Bed.jpg http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/62/Boeing_JB-17G.jpg/800px-Boeing_JB-17G.jpg http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3261/2714411714_892ab1edae_z.jpg?zz=1 That's pretty cool. Off to google for more info. Especially that bottom pic...the B-17 looks pretty slick in a steamlined config like that. |
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Posted: 11/26/2016 12:53:31 PM EDT
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That's pretty cool. Off to google for more info. Especially that bottom pic...the B-17 looks pretty slick in a steamlined config like that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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B-17 engine test-beds. https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7274/6956370382_47e8c9811b_z.jpg http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5d/JB-17G_Engine_Test_Bed.jpg http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/62/Boeing_JB-17G.jpg/800px-Boeing_JB-17G.jpg http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3261/2714411714_892ab1edae_z.jpg?zz=1 That's pretty cool. Off to google for more info. Especially that bottom pic...the B-17 looks pretty slick in a steamlined config like that. Must have been a bitch to taxi though. |
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Posted: 11/26/2016 5:22:43 PM EDT
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Anyone shown the F-82? Twin Mustang.
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Posted: 11/26/2016 8:13:17 PM EDT
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That's pretty cool. Off to google for more info. Especially that bottom pic...the B-17 looks pretty slick in a steamlined config like that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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B-17 engine test-beds. https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7274/6956370382_47e8c9811b_z.jpg http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5d/JB-17G_Engine_Test_Bed.jpg http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/62/Boeing_JB-17G.jpg/800px-Boeing_JB-17G.jpg http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3261/2714411714_892ab1edae_z.jpg?zz=1 That's pretty cool. Off to google for more info. Especially that bottom pic...the B-17 looks pretty slick in a steamlined config like that. The bottom one is a photoshop. |
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Posted: 11/26/2016 8:37:23 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/26/2016 9:24:29 PM EDT
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That's a rather rare one, for sure.
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Posted: 11/26/2016 9:45:05 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/26/2016 9:47:13 PM EDT
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The bottom one is a photoshop. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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B-17 engine test-beds. https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7274/6956370382_47e8c9811b_z.jpg http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5d/JB-17G_Engine_Test_Bed.jpg http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/62/Boeing_JB-17G.jpg/800px-Boeing_JB-17G.jpg http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3261/2714411714_892ab1edae_z.jpg?zz=1 That's pretty cool. Off to google for more info. Especially that bottom pic...the B-17 looks pretty slick in a steamlined config like that. The bottom one is a photoshop. Prove it. Not calling you a liar, I just gots to know
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Posted: 11/26/2016 9:59:07 PM EDT
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Prove it. Not calling you a liar, I just gots to know
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B-17 engine test-beds. https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7274/6956370382_47e8c9811b_z.jpg http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5d/JB-17G_Engine_Test_Bed.jpg http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/62/Boeing_JB-17G.jpg/800px-Boeing_JB-17G.jpg http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3261/2714411714_892ab1edae_z.jpg?zz=1 That's pretty cool. Off to google for more info. Especially that bottom pic...the B-17 looks pretty slick in a steamlined config like that. The bottom one is a photoshop. Prove it. Not calling you a liar, I just gots to know
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Posted: 11/26/2016 10:43:02 PM EDT
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Good find.
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Posted: 11/26/2016 11:14:17 PM EDT
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Prove it. Not calling you a liar, I just gots to know
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B-17 engine test-beds. https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7274/6956370382_47e8c9811b_z.jpg http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5d/JB-17G_Engine_Test_Bed.jpg http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/62/Boeing_JB-17G.jpg/800px-Boeing_JB-17G.jpg http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3261/2714411714_892ab1edae_z.jpg?zz=1 That's pretty cool. Off to google for more info. Especially that bottom pic...the B-17 looks pretty slick in a steamlined config like that. The bottom one is a photoshop. Prove it. Not calling you a liar, I just gots to know
Not only did they shop out the engines, they shopped out the landing gear. |
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Posted: 11/26/2016 11:33:08 PM EDT
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B-17 engine test-beds. https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7274/6956370382_47e8c9811b_z.jpg http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5d/JB-17G_Engine_Test_Bed.jpg http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/62/Boeing_JB-17G.jpg/800px-Boeing_JB-17G.jpg http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3261/2714411714_892ab1edae_z.jpg?zz=1 That's pretty cool. Off to google for more info. Especially that bottom pic...the B-17 looks pretty slick in a steamlined config like that. The bottom one is a photoshop. Prove it. Not calling you a liar, I just gots to know
Not only did they shop out the engines, they shopped out the landing gear. You work at Udvar-Hazy? |
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Posted: 11/26/2016 11:46:30 PM EDT
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Not only did they shop out the engines, they shopped out the landing gear. You work at Udvar-Hazy? I spent a summer working at Garber, in the early 1990s. Worked on the Enola Gay landing gear, for the majority of that time. |
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