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Posted: 8/15/2015 3:32:22 PM EDT
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You are correct...if VFR, you can proceed through MOAs to your heart's content. If IFR, you will be vectored around if the MOA is hot. TFRs are no-go without specific authorization from both ATC and the airspace owner, though ATC is the point of service for the pilot, by and large. Very correct. TFR's are not MOAs although I've seen quite a few people try to apply that rule. Didn't end well. Last airshow I worked we released the airspace to the airboss. A while later a Medevac chopper calls in needing to transition. We call the air boss, they move performers and authorize the choppers transition. We relay it to the pilot, we see them buzz by, pilot reports clear, we relay it to airboss and the show continues. Another time a pilot , reports on CTAF in the airspace coming to land. We report this to the airboss in case they missed it. Airboss scatters the performers. Airboss is not happy. We get a hold of the pilot on the radios. Instruct him to leave the airspace and the reason. Brashear statement. Pilot's mad at US. Whole thing goes to FSDO. Airspace is cleared we relay it to Airboos. Show starts again. |
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Posted: 8/18/2015 3:07:00 AM EDT
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If the airspace is closed, then the airspace is closed. Deal with it by holding until you get to divert fuel, then divert. This is not rocket science. I have diverted because the winds exceeding the recommended cross winds on a contaminated runway, not a limitation, but good judgement is prudent. If ATC says the airspace is closed and you have divert gas, then divert. If you don't have divert fuel, then you are minimum or emergency fuel with the divert. Declare it as such and make a decision. "approach, we can not divert fuel without going emergency fuel. How much longer until the airspace opens, we need to land in 15 minute in order to not declare minimum fuel or we need to divert now with emergency fuel" How much longer until we can get in" It doesn't matter if the mil is practicing it's airshow or doing an actual airshow. They aren't going to close an airport that has regular airline traffic in and out. You say he left an hour late, so what? It happens all the time, doesn't mean they are going to stop service because someone's doing some aerobatics. One is more important than the other. |
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Posted: 8/18/2015 3:38:57 AM EDT
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The event and this thread has morphed into the "classic long dick contest". We pilots are such a humble group. Sometimes a Cigar, is just a Cigar. Simple differences of opinion. Some guys feel bad about diverting for pointless reasons, some guys don't. Personally, I don't like to inconvenience the pax, but I also recognize that the path to hell is paved with good intentions, and no good deed goes unpunished. It's beyond ironic that these were Company guys trying to do their pax, and their company a favor. There's a lesson in that for each of us. |
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