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Posted: 12/17/2014 1:17:45 PM EDT
With obummer announcing the end of sanctions against trade with Cuba....
Are their smokes really all that great? When will they hit the stores here? Is there a better quality cigar out there? I know very little about this stuff 
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Posted: 12/17/2014 1:31:23 PM EDT
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With obummer announcing the end of sanctions against trade with Cuba.... Are their smokes really all that great? When will they hit the stores here? Is there a better quality cigar out there? I know very little about this stuff All stores will sellout immediately because everyone and their mother will want a Cuban cigar. Prices will probably be insane and regular cigar smoker won't be the ones buying then it will be hipsters and hotshots in suits. That's just my opinion though. |
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Posted: 12/17/2014 1:58:03 PM EDT
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The great COHIBA legal show down will happen.......
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Posted: 12/17/2014 2:36:18 PM EDT
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Typical 'Absolute Shit' communist quality control will be evident.
Combined with the surge of everyone and their brother looking to try one, it's going to be a dark, dark day for the industry. |
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Posted: 12/17/2014 2:57:57 PM EDT
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The great COHIBA legal show down will happen....... Shit just got real! 
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Posted: 12/17/2014 3:00:48 PM EDT
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Is it a true lift on the entire embargo or just travel?
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Posted: 12/17/2014 3:01:06 PM EDT
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Typical 'Absolute Shit' communist quality control will be evident. Combined with the surge of everyone and their brother looking to try one, it's going to be a dark, dark day for the industry. But long term this will be a good thing. I still think quality will improve with Cuba and there will be some nice competition hopefully . But initially everyone who has always wanted to try a cuban cigar will go out and blow the market up for the first few years. |
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Posted: 12/17/2014 3:30:01 PM EDT
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Is it a true lift on the entire embargo or just travel? He hasn't lifted shit. He want's to "reopen diplomatic relations". Congress would have to lift the embargo. |
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Posted: 12/17/2014 5:09:10 PM EDT
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What are the chances of the embargo being lifted? If congress doesn't do it, Obama will just issue an executive
order... 
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Posted: 12/17/2014 5:22:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryAll stores will sellout immediately because everyone and their mother will want a Cuban cigar. Prices will probably be insane and regular cigar smoker won't be the ones buying then it will be hipsters and hotshots in suits.
That's just my opinion though. Can you buy skinny jeans and Cuban cigars at any of the same stores? |
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Posted: 12/17/2014 5:23:47 PM EDT
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Whatever.....
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Posted: 12/17/2014 7:18:38 PM EDT
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Don't expect Cuban cigars on US shelves anytime soon.
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Posted: 12/17/2014 7:21:54 PM EDT
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I don't smoke cigars or support communism, but can't you just get them from Canada?
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Posted: 12/17/2014 7:31:42 PM EDT
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Don't expect Cuban cigars on US shelves anytime soon. They've been all over US shelves for years 
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Posted: 12/17/2014 7:42:52 PM EDT
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They've been all over US shelves for years Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Don't expect Cuban cigars on US shelves anytime soon. They've been all over US shelves for years You have to know the secret password to get the clerk's interest. "The unladen swallow flies east at night." |
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Posted: 12/17/2014 7:49:49 PM EDT
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You have to know the secret password to get the clerk's interest. "The unladen swallow flies east at night." Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Don't expect Cuban cigars on US shelves anytime soon. They've been all over US shelves for years You have to know the secret password to get the clerk's interest. "The unladen swallow flies east at night." Years ago it was going into a store I'd been going to for years and saying "I'm looking for something special to celebrate <a thing>." The owner opened one of the wall cabinets and literally slid open a secret shelf 
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Posted: 12/17/2014 8:03:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The great COHIBA legal show down will happen....... From what I have read General Cigar owns the rights to sell Cohibas in the US and other parts of the world and is not based on anything to do with Cohiba in Cuba. I don't see this panning out like people can go down to the local store and pick up a quality cuban. Lots more fakes and now a massive influx of crap "cubans". |
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Posted: 12/17/2014 8:37:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Whatever..... |
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Posted: 12/17/2014 10:29:44 PM EDT
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Expect massive amounts of fakes, *IF* the embargo were lifted. Cubans hold a large portion of the European and Asian markets, I'm don't think they would risk that buy selling everything to the USA.
Since there is no importation or distribution system in place, expect anything your source locally to be fake. Let the suckers with money over brains buy those, spend your money at trust sources. |
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Posted: 12/18/2014 12:02:47 PM EDT
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I wonder how much this will disrupt availability from overseas sources that ship here...
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Posted: 12/18/2014 12:55:06 PM EDT
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As I understand it, this currently will only apply to people traveling directly back from the island, bring up to $100 worth of cigars, and rum? Is this correct?
My local esteemed proprietor has said that he plans to hopefully carry some inventory if and when Congress lifts the embargo completely. |
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Posted: 12/18/2014 2:59:58 PM EDT
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But long term this will be a good thing. I still think quality will improve with Cuba and there will be some nice competition hopefully . But initially everyone who has always wanted to try a cuban cigar will go out and blow the market up for the first few years. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Typical 'Absolute Shit' communist quality control will be evident. Combined with the surge of everyone and their brother looking to try one, it's going to be a dark, dark day for the industry. But long term this will be a good thing. I still think quality will improve with Cuba and there will be some nice competition hopefully . But initially everyone who has always wanted to try a cuban cigar will go out and blow the market up for the first few years. Long term? Yes, I can see it working out. Unfortunately, I think that the demand from the initial boom immediately after the embargo was lifted would lead to a lot of corners getting cut in grading/rolling of the cigars, leading to a lot of pissed off consumers. That, and as a retailer, I'm really not looking forward to the flat brimmed hat wearing fucktards trying to convince me that cuban cigars have marijuana in them, and that's why they were illegal. (No shit, this rumor was going around in the ghetto here a few years back... all of the hood rats were flooding into the store looking for cubans) |
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Posted: 12/18/2014 6:07:40 PM EDT
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Agreed with this. Even if it's lifted it won't change a thing. Cubans will still be crap if you don't buy from the right company. Even then the stuff grown outside of Cuba will still be far superior. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Whatever..... I will respectfully disagree. 
This current thing only allows $100 worth of cuban tobacco to be brought back from cuba, and not for resale. |
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Posted: 12/19/2014 12:18:15 AM EDT
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I will respectfully disagree.
This current thing only allows $100 worth of cuban tobacco to be brought back from cuba, and not for resale. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Whatever..... I will respectfully disagree.
This current thing only allows $100 worth of cuban tobacco to be brought back from cuba, and not for resale. No....the current proposal is to allow visitors to Cuba to bring back $100.00 worth of cigars. The open trade proposal has yet to be determined so import remains a variable yet determined. I know POTUS said it but the laws have not been changed yet...not that he follows them anyway...he's POTUS, he don't need no stinkin laws.... |
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Posted: 12/19/2014 1:03:10 PM EDT
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I don't smoke cigars or support communism, but can't you just get them from Canada? The US is the only country on earth that has a trade embargo with them. |
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Posted: 12/23/2014 2:41:47 PM EDT
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The only thing that will happen initially if the embargo is lifted is the US courts will have to figure out whose trademarks will be allowed. Every single cuban factory has a copycat brand that is trademarked in the US. Some of the brands aren't copycat per se. Montecristo for example was taken over by the Cuban Govt and the owner went to the Dominican Republic and reestablished the factory as a Dominican product for the US market. I believe Imperial Tobacco holds about 10 of the trademarks and General Cigar holds a bunch also.
Anyway, if the embargo is lifted, the Cuban Montecristo couldn't just go on the shelves because of the trademark infringement with Imperial Tobacco's Montecristo brand. Someone will have to give up their trademark or the name and logo will have to change. Do you see any established company offering to just give up their name and logo? I believe that once the embargo is lifted, it will take a long, long time for the courts to figure everything out.
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