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We got an old Cavalier Coke machine out of a print shop that was closing. It's originally from the 1970s, but was upgraded sometime in the '80s. There's quite a bit of rust... So, several questions: 1. The paint is pretty rough all over. We want to repaint it. Would an airbrush be appropriate? What kind of paint? Should we plan to sand it to rough the surface, or strip all the existing paint? 2. How should we deal with the rust on the bare metal inside, especially the curved drink holders in the picture? Could we bead blast it and then clear coat with something? We've thought about just hitting it with krylon to cover it and seal the surface. 3. The huge rust holes in the last picture..... Knock it all out, and then.... Leave it and use Bondo? I'm at a loss for how to handle this. 4. We removed the backside of the main door and took out the original insulation. What kind should we replace it with? Would normal home insulation be okay? 5. Any advice on masking off the stickers when we paint so we can keep them? The big decal on the outside is going, but the stickers inside we'd like to keep. 6. Suggest paint colors. We're not married to this staying a Coke machine. We're not fanatical enough about Fallout to make it a Nukacola machine either. A small part of me wants to make it a Dr Pepper machine, but not too badly. None of the metal is stamped with Coke logos, and the backlit Coke logo on the front is the only thing we'd have to modify. View Quote 1. An airbrush won't work. Go to Harbor Freight and get one of their HVLP guns. I'd go ahead and strip to bare metal, prime and paint. 2. Krylon won't seal anything. I'd pull the mech and bead blast the rust. The curved parts probably need to be blasted too. I'm not sure how you get that galvanized finish. 3. You need to cut it out and weld in new metal. 4. Home insulation is probably not dense enough. 5. You'll be better off just getting new stickers. 6. A single stage urethane in sunburst yellow would work for me. I'd probably replace the rubber seal too that is preventing a good seal. You shouldn't be getting condensation. Of course you need to add a large BFL to the front. |
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Quoted: 1. An airbrush won't work. Go to Harbor Freight and get one of their HVLP guns. I'd go ahead and strip to bare metal, prime and paint. 2. Krylon won't seal anything. I'd pull the mech and bead blast the rust. The curved parts probably need to be blasted too. I'm not sure how you get that galvanized finish. 3. You need to cut it out and weld in new metal. 4. Home insulation is probably not dense enough. 5. You'll be better off just getting new stickers. 6. A single stage urethane in sunburst yellow would work for me. I'd probably replace the rubber seal too that is preventing a good seal. You shouldn't be getting condensation. Of course you need to add a large BFL to the front. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: We got an old Cavalier Coke machine out of a print shop that was closing. It's originally from the 1970s, but was upgraded sometime in the '80s. There's quite a bit of rust... So, several questions: 1. The paint is pretty rough all over. We want to repaint it. Would an airbrush be appropriate? What kind of paint? Should we plan to sand it to rough the surface, or strip all the existing paint? 2. How should we deal with the rust on the bare metal inside, especially the curved drink holders in the picture? Could we bead blast it and then clear coat with something? We've thought about just hitting it with krylon to cover it and seal the surface. 3. The huge rust holes in the last picture..... Knock it all out, and then.... Leave it and use Bondo? I'm at a loss for how to handle this. 4. We removed the backside of the main door and took out the original insulation. What kind should we replace it with? Would normal home insulation be okay? 5. Any advice on masking off the stickers when we paint so we can keep them? The big decal on the outside is going, but the stickers inside we'd like to keep. 6. Suggest paint colors. We're not married to this staying a Coke machine. We're not fanatical enough about Fallout to make it a Nukacola machine either. A small part of me wants to make it a Dr Pepper machine, but not too badly. None of the metal is stamped with Coke logos, and the backlit Coke logo on the front is the only thing we'd have to modify. 1. An airbrush won't work. Go to Harbor Freight and get one of their HVLP guns. I'd go ahead and strip to bare metal, prime and paint. 2. Krylon won't seal anything. I'd pull the mech and bead blast the rust. The curved parts probably need to be blasted too. I'm not sure how you get that galvanized finish. 3. You need to cut it out and weld in new metal. 4. Home insulation is probably not dense enough. 5. You'll be better off just getting new stickers. 6. A single stage urethane in sunburst yellow would work for me. I'd probably replace the rubber seal too that is preventing a good seal. You shouldn't be getting condensation. Of course you need to add a large BFL to the front. 2. Krylon won't seal anything. I'd pull the mech and bead blast the rust. The curved parts probably need to be blasted too. I'm not sure how you get that galvanized finish. I'm not opposed to covering the galvanized finish. I saw some pictures of people's completely refinished machines, and some had really nice chromed interiors. I don't think I want to do that much though.., 4. Home insulation is probably not dense enough. So, suggestions on what to use instead? 5. You'll be better off just getting new stickers. I don't mean the Coke logo decals on the outside, I mean the original diagrams, repair history, etc. On the seal, which one are you referring to? I scrubbed all of them, and they all seem to be in good, rubbery, condition. Only one had a hole in it (which I unfortunately put there ) |
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4. Home insulation is probably not dense enough.
So, suggestions on what to use instead? >Is it there for sound or insulation? If sound, and you don't need it to look original, I'd use some of the products used for sound dampening in cars. Otherwise, I'd look into something like the insulation used to wrap HVAC ducts. The problem I have with fiberglass, is it traps moisture. 5. You'll be better off just getting new stickers. I don't mean the Coke logo decals on the outside, I mean the original diagrams, repair history, etc. >I was thinking of the little product logos on the mech. You'll never do a good job taping off the orig. diagrams, repair history and make it look nice. I'd remove them and replace them with re-creations. On the seal, which one are you referring to? I scrubbed all of them, and they all seem to be in good, rubbery, condition. Only one had a hole in it (which I unfortunately put there ) >I thinking of the door seal. If it's good, then — okay. I'm worried about the condensation and why it's happening. |
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Quoted: 4. Home insulation is probably not dense enough. So, suggestions on what to use instead? >Is it there for sound or insulation? If sound, and you don't need it to look original, I'd use some of the products used for sound dampening in cars. Otherwise, I'd look into something like the insulation used to wrap HVAC ducts. The problem I have with fiberglass, is it traps moisture. 5. You'll be better off just getting new stickers. I don't mean the Coke logo decals on the outside, I mean the original diagrams, repair history, etc. >I was thinking of the little product logos on the mech. You'll never do a good job taping off the orig. diagrams, repair history and make it look nice. I'd remove them and replace them with re-creations. On the seal, which one are you referring to? I scrubbed all of them, and they all seem to be in good, rubbery, condition. Only one had a hole in it (which I unfortunately put there ) >I thinking of the door seal. If it's good, then — okay. I'm worried about the condensation and why it's happening. View Quote I *think* the condensation is due to 2 problems: the spring on the top hinge on the bottle door is broken, so I don't think it's making a good seal on the top corner. Problem 2 is that the glass in the door is cracked in a bunch of places. I think the combination is what was allowing airflow and causing the condensation. I have the number for a family friend who owns a glass company, but I haven't spoken to him yet about replacing the glass. We bought a paint sprayer last night. I think we're in for a bunch of work this weekend. |
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I would just craigslist it and look for a Vendo56 . The 56 is neat due to will vend cans and bottles. They have the same glass door style with a lift lever to eject the bottle some. Big thing is the "S" cams , do not know of any one who makes repo's of them. The wood grain I do believe is the original style. A lot of those style had it, was some 70's thing like wood panels in houses.
The most desirable vending machines are the tombstone style. The smaller the better, Big venders take up a lot of space in the room. But either way, its cool to restore and use in the man cave/garage. Snert PS. Rust removal, WD40 has a solution you can submerge the parts in to remove rust. It should not strip the finish or paint, just the rust if I recall correctly. |
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What is broken on the hinge? Is it the internal rod? If so, I would hammer it out and put a brass rod in to its spot.
If it needs replaced, will it be able to be seen? A replacement piano hinge may do the trick. |
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Quoted: What is broken on the hinge? Is it the internal rod? If so, I would hammer it out and put a brass rod in to its spot. If it needs replaced, will it be able to be seen? A replacement piano hinge may do the trick. View Quote |
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Also a tag. And a for making me feel so lazy, since you are doing a TON of work. I have a few projects of my own that have been on the back burner now for a while, and none of them are going to involve half the work you have put into your machine already. It should look amazing when you get it done!
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Quoted: Also a tag. And a for making me feel so lazy, since you are doing a TON of work. I have a few projects of my own that have been on the back burner now for a while, and none of them are going to involve half the work you have put into your machine already. It should look amazing when you get it done! View Quote |
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I sure hope so. The amount of work required seems to just keep increasing. It was supposed to be a quick project. [img]http://www.ar15.com/images/smilies/smiley_abused.gif[/ View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Also a tag. And a for making me feel so lazy, since you are doing a TON of work. I have a few projects of my own that have been on the back burner now for a while, and none of them are going to involve half the work you have put into your machine already. It should look amazing when you get it done! Lol it's called project creep! Good luck as I have nothing for this. Sorry. |
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Quoted: PS. Rust removal, WD40 has a solution you can submerge the parts in to remove rust. It should not strip the finish or paint, just the rust if I recall correctly. View Quote This stuff works great. We've been going through all the parts that will fit in a bucket and soaking them overnight. Very little effort needed. Thanks for the suggestion! |
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This stuff works great. We've been going through all the parts that will fit in a bucket and soaking them overnight. Very little effort needed. Thanks for the suggestion! View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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PS. Rust removal, WD40 has a solution you can submerge the parts in to remove rust. It should not strip the finish or paint, just the rust if I recall correctly. This stuff works great. We've been going through all the parts that will fit in a bucket and soaking them overnight. Very little effort needed. Thanks for the suggestion! <Zhukov space> There is another product called "Evapo Rust" available from Harbor Freight that has good reviews also. |
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I don't have any good pics, because we've been working on the rust this week. Just about everything has soaked in the rust remover and subsequently been scrubbed. We bought a big washing machine water catch pan to soak the bottom of the freezer box in. That's going to happen today.
We decided to use fiberglass as the repair solution for the rusted out freezer box. Those supplies should be delivered later this week, so maybe we'll get that done next weekend. Slogging along... |
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Looking good! They make adhesive felt circles designed to go on feet like those to protect floors. Hardware stores generally carry them.
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Quoted: Looking good! They make adhesive felt circles designed to go on feet like those to protect floors. Hardware stores generally carry them. View Quote I really like how nice the felt pads make the chairs move on the floor, but I need a better way to attach them... |
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How often are you planning on moving it...?
ETA: Figure out a way to attach these? Nail on furniture glides |
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When you go to insulate it could you not use some kind of styrofoam?
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Quoted: How often are you planning on moving it...? ETA: Figure out a way to attach these? Nail on furniture glides View Quote I don't know how often we'd move it, but I don't want it re-rusting and leaving spots on the floor. The feet are solid metal, so I don't know how we could attach those. |
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Truthfully, we haven't figured that out yet. Pros/cons/other thoughts? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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When you go to insulate it could you not use some kind of styrofoam? Truthfully, we haven't figured that out yet. Pros/cons/other thoughts? Pros: Does not absorb moisture Lightweight, durable, easy to use and trim Meets and exceeds all type IV and type X specifications Retains insulating properties over time Maintains integrity Cons: Seems kindy pricey, but you wont need much. I would use this over standard insulation. http://www.lowes.com/pd_304090-210-304090.0_1z11pq2__?productId=3122447&pl=1 Wheels and moving: Personally I would put some kind of hard rubber wheels on it. |
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Quoted: Pros: Does not absorb moisture Lightweight, durable, easy to use and trim Meets and exceeds all type IV and type X specifications Retains insulating properties over time Maintains integrity Cons: Seems kindy pricey, but you wont need much. I would use this over standard insulation. http://www.lowes.com/pd_304090-210-304090.0_1z11pq2__?productId=3122447&pl=1 Wheels and moving: Personally I would put some kind of hard rubber wheels on it. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: When you go to insulate it could you not use some kind of styrofoam? Truthfully, we haven't figured that out yet. Pros/cons/other thoughts? Pros: Does not absorb moisture Lightweight, durable, easy to use and trim Meets and exceeds all type IV and type X specifications Retains insulating properties over time Maintains integrity Cons: Seems kindy pricey, but you wont need much. I would use this over standard insulation. http://www.lowes.com/pd_304090-210-304090.0_1z11pq2__?productId=3122447&pl=1 Wheels and moving: Personally I would put some kind of hard rubber wheels on it. We really like the idea of the styrofoam, much much easier to use than standard insulation. No real updates - this is the end of the school year and I've been at school late every night for the last week, and my husband has been out of town for work. We are going to try to work on the fiberglass repair over the rust this weekend, but if it stops raining we have a major water-damage-issue to try to repair. |
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We applied a first layer of fiberglass over the rusted out bottom of the cold box. We learned a couple of important lessons, the main one being that ventilation needs to be more than a little fan with the garage door open. WOW the resin was fumy!
I'll take a picture and post it later, when I can go out in the garage without fainting. |
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Are you doing the fiberglass mat for insulation, or to patch the hole?
I am unfamiliar with the layout of this machine (temperate zones / cold zones / zones that get condensation), but a fiberglass mat that is not sealed all the way around seems to be BEGGING to get moisture between it and onto the steel. If this is to patch a rust hole, I am going to say this is a bad idea. A little steel work and a good epoxy paint is probably a better idea. If this is a rusted place that has condensation sitting on it, an even better idea would be to dimple the pan, reweld the pan to fix the rust holes, and install a nipple at the low spot that would route through a hose any condensation run to a drip pan. |
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Quoted: Are you doing the fiberglass mat for insulation, or to patch the hole? I am unfamiliar with the layout of this machine (temperate zones / cold zones / zones that get condensation), but a fiberglass mat that is not sealed all the way around seems to be BEGGING to get moisture between it and onto the steel. If this is to patch a rust hole, I am going to say this is a bad idea. A little steel work and a good epoxy paint is probably a better idea. If this is a rusted place that has condensation sitting on it, an even better idea would be to dimple the pan, reweld the pan to fix the rust holes, and install a nipple at the low spot that would route through a hose any condensation run to a drip pan. View Quote In regards to the condensation and the low spot, there is a drain at the low spot that is intended to funnel any condensation out and into a drip catch pan. When we disassembled it, the drain tube was completely clogged. |
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This week's update is kind of boring.
We took all of the painted parts to a local paint shop to have them blasted down to bare metal. We're going to paint it ourselves. Nothing to see until the parts are done... |
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Looks good so far.
So what's the color scheme? Original with woodgrain? Are you using epoxy primer or self-etching? |
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Quoted: Looks good so far. So what's the color scheme? Original with woodgrain? Are you using epoxy primer or self-etching? View Quote Color scheme is red/white, with black trim. No more woodgrain. We're not currently planning on any decals, but that's not really been settled once and for all. |
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I have a Cav120 in storage at my parents place. It only takes bottles, and my plan was to use it for beer. Then my wife went from "casual drinker" to "Go to a treatment program and don't come back until you are sober." But we're divorced now, so it's time to bring it back I think.
The following is a cut and paste of the links I collected when I was starting my restore. I have no idea if they are still any good, but it might provide a start. Soda Machine http://www.kovels.com/ http://usedvending.com/vintagevending.htm http://www.costumecostumecostume.com/CokeMachines.htm http://www.thesodafountain.com/ http://sassman.net/board//index.html http://www.gameroomwarehouse.com/index.html http://soda-machines.com/ http://www.vintagevending.com/index.tmpl?cart=306000490413063 |
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Quoted: Put the wood grain back on. Its the right thing to do View Quote We determined that I'm unable to use the paint spray gun, due to being darn near blind without my glasses and lacking a respirator that will form a seal over glasses. Harumph. My husband painted a coat of primer on it when he got home from work today. I'll take a picture tomorrow once the fumes in the garage have cleared out. |
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Quoted: I have a Cav120 in storage at my parents place. It only takes bottles, and my plan was to use it for beer. Then my wife went from "casual drinker" to "Go to a treatment program and don't come back until you are sober." But we're divorced now, so it's time to bring it back I think. The following is a cut and paste of the links I collected when I was starting my restore. I have no idea if they are still any good, but it might provide a start. Soda Machine http://www.kovels.com/ http://usedvending.com/vintagevending.htm http://www.costumecostumecostume.com/CokeMachines.htm http://www.thesodafountain.com/ http://sassman.net/board//index.html http://www.gameroomwarehouse.com/index.html http://soda-machines.com/ http://www.vintagevending.com/index.tmpl?cart=306000490413063 View Quote |
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Thanks for the links. I'm kind of dreading the part where we try to put it back together... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I have a Cav120 in storage at my parents place. It only takes bottles, and my plan was to use it for beer. Then my wife went from "casual drinker" to "Go to a treatment program and don't come back until you are sober." But we're divorced now, so it's time to bring it back I think. The following is a cut and paste of the links I collected when I was starting my restore. I have no idea if they are still any good, but it might provide a start. Soda Machine http://www.kovels.com/ http://usedvending.com/vintagevending.htm http://www.costumecostumecostume.com/CokeMachines.htm http://www.thesodafountain.com/ http://sassman.net/board//index.html http://www.gameroomwarehouse.com/index.html http://soda-machines.com/ http://www.vintagevending.com/index.tmpl?cart=306000490413063 Pretty sure manuals, or at least exploded parts diagrams, are available. I'll try to find a catalog I had a while ago. the guy wasn't online at the time, but apparently he bought out a LOT of the Cavalier spare parts supply when the family hung it up. |
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Quoted: No way! We determined that I'm unable to use the paint spray gun, due to being darn near blind without my glasses and lacking a respirator that will form a seal over glasses. Harumph. My husband painted a coat of primer on it when he got home from work today. I'll take a picture tomorrow once the fumes in the garage have cleared out. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Put the wood grain back on. Its the right thing to do We determined that I'm unable to use the paint spray gun, due to being darn near blind without my glasses and lacking a respirator that will form a seal over glasses. Harumph. My husband painted a coat of primer on it when he got home from work today. I'll take a picture tomorrow once the fumes in the garage have cleared out. So keeping it original is out the window I guess |
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Quoted: So keeping it original is out the window I guess View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Put the wood grain back on. Its the right thing to do We determined that I'm unable to use the paint spray gun, due to being darn near blind without my glasses and lacking a respirator that will form a seal over glasses. Harumph. My husband painted a coat of primer on it when he got home from work today. I'll take a picture tomorrow once the fumes in the garage have cleared out. So keeping it original is out the window I guess Primer coat #2 is done. I swear I'm going to take a picture today once the fumes air out again. |
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